

Good Bad Billionaire
BBC World Service
How did the richest people on the planet make their billions? From Selena Gomez to Jeff Bezos, and now we find out about five dead billionaires. Meet pioneers who helped build the United States of America: the world’s first billionaire John D Rockefeller, motor magnate Henry Ford, the aviator and filmmaker Howard Hughes, Walmart founder Sam Walton, and Hetty Green - once dubbed “The Witch of Wall Street”. These iconic billionaires may be long dead, but their fingerprints are all over modern industry - in business trusts, IPOs, and mass production. They did it all first, but how did they make their billions?
Good Bad Billionaire is the podcast that analyses the minds, motives and money of some of the world's wealthiest individuals. Simon and Zing explore the lives of the super-rich and famous, tracking their wealth, philanthropy, business ethics and success. From iconic celebrities and secretive CEOs to sporting legends and titans of technology, Simon and Zing find out how they made their money, and then it’s over to you to decide whether they’re good, bad, or just another billionaire.
Ever wondered how Taylor Swift went from country singer to money-spinner? How Amazon boss Jeff Bezos came to launch one of the biggest corporations of the internet age? And how six-time NBA champion Michael Jordan made his fortune with Nike? Trawl through the archives to find out how Selena Gomez went from a child Disney star to a mega-magnate of makeup and how Martha Stewart, the “original lifestyle influencer” became one of the most successful women in business. We explore the life of British inventor James Dyson and learn about some of the big names behind Minecraft, Marvel, WWE and the ultimate reality TV show – Big Brother.
Join us on a global journey, discovering all we can about some of the richest people on the planet. In the United States, there are leaders who made their money in Silicon Valley, on Wall Street and in high street fashion. Hear about billionaires in Russia, China, New Zealand, India, Nigeria and the UK. Exploring the lives of Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, El Chapo, Narayana Murthy and Kim Kardashian, this podcast paints a vivid picture of business, entrepreneurship, capitalism and how our world really works.
Discover how the likes of Jerry Seinfeld, Peter Jackson, Doris Fisher and George Soros came to join the billionaires' club. Learn how Tiger Woods went from a child golfing prodigy to the world’s highest paid athlete, how a communist mime artist became the boss of fashion house Prada and how Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich came to buy an English football club. Find out how Mukesh Ambani became Asia’s richest person, and how Patrice Motsepe became the first black billionaire in a post-apartheid South Africa. Plus, we examine some of the biggest names behind the technology shaping our world – the founders of TikTok, Google, ChatGPT, Alibaba and Bumble.
But it's not just how these billionaires made their money; it's what they did with it next. Ultimately, Simon and Zing will help you decide whether they’re a force for good, bad, or somewhere in between. Join Simon Jack, the business editor for BBC News, and journalist and author Zing Tsjeng as this podcast unravels tales of fortune, power, economics, ambition and moral responsibility, ultimately inviting you to make up your own mind: are they good, bad, or just another billionaire?
We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire
Good Bad Billionaire is the podcast that analyses the minds, motives and money of some of the world's wealthiest individuals. Simon and Zing explore the lives of the super-rich and famous, tracking their wealth, philanthropy, business ethics and success. From iconic celebrities and secretive CEOs to sporting legends and titans of technology, Simon and Zing find out how they made their money, and then it’s over to you to decide whether they’re good, bad, or just another billionaire.
Ever wondered how Taylor Swift went from country singer to money-spinner? How Amazon boss Jeff Bezos came to launch one of the biggest corporations of the internet age? And how six-time NBA champion Michael Jordan made his fortune with Nike? Trawl through the archives to find out how Selena Gomez went from a child Disney star to a mega-magnate of makeup and how Martha Stewart, the “original lifestyle influencer” became one of the most successful women in business. We explore the life of British inventor James Dyson and learn about some of the big names behind Minecraft, Marvel, WWE and the ultimate reality TV show – Big Brother.
Join us on a global journey, discovering all we can about some of the richest people on the planet. In the United States, there are leaders who made their money in Silicon Valley, on Wall Street and in high street fashion. Hear about billionaires in Russia, China, New Zealand, India, Nigeria and the UK. Exploring the lives of Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, El Chapo, Narayana Murthy and Kim Kardashian, this podcast paints a vivid picture of business, entrepreneurship, capitalism and how our world really works.
Discover how the likes of Jerry Seinfeld, Peter Jackson, Doris Fisher and George Soros came to join the billionaires' club. Learn how Tiger Woods went from a child golfing prodigy to the world’s highest paid athlete, how a communist mime artist became the boss of fashion house Prada and how Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich came to buy an English football club. Find out how Mukesh Ambani became Asia’s richest person, and how Patrice Motsepe became the first black billionaire in a post-apartheid South Africa. Plus, we examine some of the biggest names behind the technology shaping our world – the founders of TikTok, Google, ChatGPT, Alibaba and Bumble.
But it's not just how these billionaires made their money; it's what they did with it next. Ultimately, Simon and Zing will help you decide whether they’re a force for good, bad, or somewhere in between. Join Simon Jack, the business editor for BBC News, and journalist and author Zing Tsjeng as this podcast unravels tales of fortune, power, economics, ambition and moral responsibility, ultimately inviting you to make up your own mind: are they good, bad, or just another billionaire?
We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire
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Dec 2, 2024 • 47min
Peter Thiel: Paypal mafioso
Discover the contradictory world of Peter Thiel, a billionaire with a libertarian mindset who's suspicious of Silicon Valley's 'wokeness.' From ousting Elon Musk at PayPal to his wild ambition for cryogenic freezing, he embodies both genius and chaos. Explore his radical life journey, early tech investments, and the emergence of e-commerce that changed money transfers forever. Delve into his polarizing political involvement, including support for Donald Trump, and the lasting impact of his controversial beliefs on technology and society.

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Nov 25, 2024 • 42min
Doris Fisher: Don’t mind The Gap
Explore the rise of Doris Fisher, co-founder of The Gap, as she reshaped fashion with iconic basics like the pocket t-shirt. From the Summer of Love to dominating the '90s, hear about the challenges and triumphs of a brand that bridged generations. Discover the rollercoaster of their IPO journey, marked by controversies and strategic shifts. Delve into the complexities of wealth, philanthropy, and labor practices in fashion, while reflecting on Doris's enduring legacy and the broader cultural impact of her entrepreneurial spirit.

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Nov 18, 2024 • 46min
Carlos Slim Helú: Telecom titan
Carlos Slim Helú, a telecom titan, transformed Mexico's economic landscape while amassing immense wealth. His strategic investment moves during crises, paired with a frugal lifestyle, reveal his winning business philosophy. The podcast navigates his controversial monopolistic practices and the implications for competition. Listeners will also discover the rivalry between Slim and Bill Gates, alongside the power dynamics of media ownership in democracy. Ultimately, it highlights both his influential role in business and his philanthropic efforts in addressing social inequality.

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Nov 11, 2024 • 40min
Roman Abramovich: Premier League oligarch
Discover the enigmatic life of Roman Abramovich, from his humble beginnings as a Soviet orphan to an oligarch partying on a $427 million yacht. Explore how his close ties to Boris Berezovsky and Vladimir Putin fueled his meteoric rise in wealth. Delve into the lavish and tumultuous world of football as he bought Chelsea FC, only to face drastic changes amid the fallout from the Russia-Ukraine war. Unpack the complex legacy of this 'stealth oligarch' as he navigates power, controversy, and philanthropy.

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Nov 4, 2024 • 43min
Mukesh Ambani: Asia’s richest person
Mukesh Ambani made headlines for his son's $600 million wedding and an extravagant lifestyle. The journey from a humble Mumbai slum to leading Reliance Industries showcases a remarkable transformation. Personal rivalries and power struggles defined his family's path, especially after his father's death. The narrative unfolds the strategic moves that solidified his status as Asia's richest, emphasizing tensions in wealth perception, philanthropy, and economic inequality in India. Can we label him good, bad, or just another billionaire?

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Oct 28, 2024 • 41min
Patrice Motsepe: Mining magnate
Explore the inspiring journey of Patrice Motsepe, South Africa's first black billionaire, who navigated apartheid to rise as a mining mogul. Discover his philanthropic efforts driven by the Ubuntu philosophy and how he balances shareholder interests with charity. From owning a football club to facing ethical controversies in the mining industry, his story is a complex tapestry of success and societal impact. Dive into the evolving landscape of wealth in post-apartheid South Africa as he transitions from mining to renewable energy.

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Oct 21, 2024 • 43min
Jack Ma: China's ecommerce CEO
Jack Ma is the king of ecommerce in China. Nicknamed 'Daddy Ma', the former school teacher even appeared alongside martial arts legend Jet Li in a kung fu movie. But how did a scrawny, belligerent child, who was the only person who failed to get hired at his local KFC, become the chairman and CEO of online mega-platform Alibaba? BBC business editor Simon Jack and journalist Zing Tsjeng explain how a crazy trip to America, where Jack had to flee from a conman, ended up introducing him to the internet, which would make him his fortune. Then they decide if they think he’s good, bad, or just another billionaire.We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire

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Oct 14, 2024 • 48min
Yvon Chouinard: A $3 billion giveaway
Discover the intriguing journey of Yvon Chouinard, a billionaire who prioritized nature over wealth. His unconventional philosophy led to the creation of Patagonia, where eco-friendly practices reign. From a childhood spent climbing and surfing to redefining outdoor apparel, his story is a blend of adventure and sustainability. Learn about his drastic decision to give away his fortune to combat climate change, and delve into the ethical dilemmas faced by his company in the quest for responsible business practices.

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Oct 7, 2024 • 42min
Whitney Wolfe Herd: Dating app entrepreneur
Whitney Wolfe Herd transformed the dating app landscape with Bumble after facing trauma at Tinder. Her journey from scandal to success illustrates the struggles women face in tech. She launched Bumble to empower women to make the first move, challenging norms in the industry. The discussion also highlights the implications of her company going public and examines the dualities of dating apps: fostering connections or breeding superficiality. Listeners will be intrigued by her rise as one of the youngest self-made female billionaires.

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Sep 30, 2024 • 38min
Aliko Dangote: Africa’s richest person
Join billionaire industrialist Aliko Dangote, famed for ruling Nigeria's cement, sugar, flour, and fertilizer markets. He shares his journey from selling sweets in the playground to becoming Africa's richest person. Discover his vision of self-reliance for Nigeria, insights into his multi-billion dollar refinery, and the challenges of monopolistic practices. Alongside BBC's Simon Jack and journalist Zing Tsjeng, they discuss philanthropy, local community impacts, and the legacy of this influential titan in Africa's economy.