Dig Deep

In this episode we chat to Gavin Ferrar, CFO of Central Asia Metals, a copper producer with operations at Kounrad, Kazakhstan and a zinc and lead operation in North Macedonia. Gavin has a geology and finance background and we discuss his journey and how his career path developed from a geologist to now a CFO. We also get an update on CAML’s Kazakhstan and Macedonia’s operations and what is the outlook of the company over the next few years. KEY TAKEAWAYS There is always a slight friction between engineering and geology disciplines. Successful miners who conquer both pursuits are well placed for almost any career in mining. Experience is everything in mining. There are many opportunities for new initiates to mining, and a world of experimentation and exploration to unearth. Knowledge and experience give you credibility. Even for those who wish to change lanes in mining, the benefits of applying yourself are numerous. Engineers and geologists are known for their mathematical know-how, which can be useful if they wish to transition to the finance side of things. Improvements are constantly being made to the health and safety side of mining operations, as well as investment into the transition from cave level mining method, to the fill method, which also improves safety. BEST MOMENTS 'I've been running around in khaki shorts and a Land Rover!' 'It was just like Boys' Own adventure stuff' 'If you can get an experience like that, it really sets you up for the industry' 'There have been many tweaks that have improved that operation' VALUABLE RESOURCES   Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Central Asia Metals - https://www.centralasiametals.com/about-us/directors/ Gavin Ferrar LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-ferrar-90489019?originalSubdomain=uk ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In this episode we chat to Bernard Aylward, CEO of Kodal Minerals, a junior explorer with a primary focus on the immediate exploration and definition of the lithium mineralisation at the Bougouni Project in southern Mali. The Company also holds a highly prospective suite of gold assets in West Africa. KEY TAKEAWAYS Learning and development should be sought out and accepted wherever possible, Mining is all about the personal journey and what we can take from it. Discovery and exploration are the driving forces behind Kodal's values. It is focussed upon West Africa, and devoted to being a valuable asset in the green energy revolution. West Africa is attractive to junior explorers due to its success when it comes to results. Places such as Ghana are turning into world leaders when it comes to gold. A significant expense of the production process is in the transportations side, as well as the refining process, including concentration. BEST MOMENTS 'It's an opportunity to join the green energy revolution' 'It's a clearly pro-mining, pro-development country' 'Gold is a mainstay for many West African companies' 'You've got really prospective geology in West Africa' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Kodal Minerals - https://kodalminerals.com/the-company/board-management/ ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community insight into people's experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specializing in all areas of mining across the globe from the first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, the Middle East, Asia, and Australia. We source, headhunt, and discover new and top talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our client's organizations in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative, and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD Email: rob@mining-international.org Website: https://www.mining-international.org/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MiningRobTyson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DigDeepTheMi... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/digdeepthem... YouTube: www.youtube.com/c/DigDeepTheMiningPod...

In this episode we chat to Danny Callow, CEO of African Gold Group who are a Canadian exploration and development company with its focus on developing a gold platform in West Africa. Danny is a mining engineer by background and has worked across Africa for many years in many jurisdictions, so has a wealth of knowledge and experience. We discuss African Gold Group and what Mali is like as a mining jurisdiction, although overcoming and challenging the political and economic instability, corruption and the list goes on, and what many believe.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Mining is an industry in which knowledge and experience become essential components in rising through the ranks. We must put in the hard yards before we can tell others what to do. Mining as a pursuit has not really changed in its central concept, since its inception. Technology and advancements make it less hazardous, but we are still taking things from the ground. Working successfully is about working hard, but it is also about having fun wherever possible. Mining allows us to do this. The road network into Mali is a little rough. This makes logistics something of a challenge, including river crossings. But the infrastructure is getting better, which should make for more expedient work there. BEST MOMENTS 'Mining is one of the games where you have to learn the business from the ground up' 'This is an amazing industry' 'This is a tough industry that breeds tough people' 'The people of Mali value foreign investment and developing new mines in new regions' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes African Gold Group - https://www.africangoldgroup.com Danny Callow LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danny-callow-acsm-84516b168/?originalSubdomain=za ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In this episode we chat to Owain Morton, Business Transformation & Digital Thought-Leader for Glencore. He is a mining engineer by background and has a long history in the industry in various roles within corporate strategy, operational excellence delivery, directorship and shareholder negotiations. Owain is going to talk about what Glencore have done and are doing around digital and transformation, industry collaboration and as an active CSM alumni member, how technology will assist them, plus a lot more.  KEY TAKEAWAYS The diversity of each day is what makes mining such an endlessly intriguing and formative career. Mining itself is a large umbrella under which are a multi-faceted number of different pursuits. The business transformation team at Glencore was founded to try to harmonise the knowledge, experiences and skill-sets around not just digital but technology adoption. Knowledge sharing and community focus on finding solutions that the industry is collectively having, through effective collaboration. Within certain divisions, there are technology champions who push for innovation and further development. These people and companies are driving true change and making mining far more effective. BEST MOMENTS 'It's like being in a sports team' 'You have to have a singular drive' 'Every day is different in mining' 'Most challenges are relatively similar' ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community insight into people's experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specializing in all areas of mining across the globe from the first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, the Middle East, Asia, and Australia. We source, headhunt, and discover new and top talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our client's organizations in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative, and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD Email: rob@mining-international.org Website: https://www.mining-international.org/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MiningRobTyson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DigDeepTheMi... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theminingpo... YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DigDeepTheM...

In this episode we chat to Andrew Swart, Global Mining and Metals Leader at Deloitte who has been on the podcast a few times and discusses a recent report they released around Annual Tracking the Trends Report - closing the trust deficit.  KEY TAKEAWAYS The World Economic Forum put out a report in 2020 which stated that trust was the number one issue facing the mining industry. The mining industry has the potential to drive huge amounts of job creation in large parts of the world, and yet it struggles to nurture and locate talent. The mining sector's response to COVID has been world-leading. Investment has continually been made in poorer areas and communities, and infrastructure has remained effective and agile. Manufacturers are now backward-integrating into mining projects, as they can clearly recognise that mineral production is the future for the planet in so many ways. BEST MOMENTS 'We're very excited by the feedback from the report so far!' 'The mining industry is at a very critical juncture' 'This is an industry that's done an excellent job in handling COVID 19' 'A lot of this is around the adjacent industries in the value chain' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Andrew Swart LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewfswart/?originalSubdomain=ca Tracking The Trends Report - https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/insights/industry/mining-and-metals/tracking-the-trends.html ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In this episode we chat to Eric Asubonteng, MD of AngloGold Ashanti Obuasi Mine who are an independent, global gold mining company with a diverse, high-quality portfolio of operations, projects and exploration activities across ten countries on four continents. They are the 3rd largest gold producer globally and the largest on the African continent. Eric is also the President of the Ghana Chamber of Mines, so would be interesting to hear more about that, and how mining is developing in Ghana and in the African market and what lessons can be learnt.  KEY TAKEAWAYS Mining is a sector with many pursuits, and which can provide experience on many levels, no matter the role in which we find ourselves. Mining is a hugely productive enterprise. It can provide practical and exciting experience from the start, and huge opportunities in areas that would, perhaps, have not been thought productive. Mining can produce lasting, positively impactful change, providing opportunity and revitalisation to communities and humanity. Ghana has a long and rich mining history. Some operations have been running since the 19th century, and so have contributed to a rich heritage. This will continue. BEST MOMENTS 'As a management accountant I got to understand the business more and more' 'My interest in mining is because of the practical nature' 'You see the real contribution that mining can make' 'The mining industry is a key lever, that if harnessed properly can work as a catalyst to drive significant change' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Eric Asubonteng LinkedIn - https://gh.linkedin.com/in/eric-asubonteng-98543914 ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In this episode we chat to Matt Salthouse, Chief Executive Officer at Kainantu Resources, an Asia-Pacific focused gold mining company with two highly prospective gold projects in a premier mining region, the high-grade Kainantu gold district of Papua New Guinea (PNG). We talk about their recent listing on the TSX and their relationships with K92 Mining.  Matt has a background in law and has wealth of experience in the mining industry, so we chat about what's been happening in PNG with many companies facing challenges with the government. KEY TAKEAWAYS The legal aspect of mining always comes during the early stages, when operations must take a commercial, corporate approach to planning. Jurisdictions in different countries differ wildly, but there are foundational elements that remain similar across the board. Generally, more developed countries lead the charge on implementing new measures and legalities. In places such as Japan, benefits are carefully weighed against the needs of the population, and mining operations are far more selectively permitted to operate. In Papua New Guinea, the overall resource industry must be expanded. This is reflected in the country's eagerness to encourage outside concerns and infrastructure BEST MOMENTS 'If you take a corporate philosophy to it, it gives you a base to wrap a company around the project' 'All of these initiatives have a commercial aspect to them' 'People and governments should have a greater say in what comes from the benefits of projects' 'Clearly there is a desire to encourage junior exploration in PNG'  VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes  Kainantu Resources - https://kainanturesources.com/?page_id=1625 Matt Salthouse LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-salthouse-19134048/?originalSubdomain=sg ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In the episode we speak to Frank Fannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Energy & Resources for the US government. Frank has a colourful background, working in both the government and in the mining industry around public policy with a track record of assessing complex policy, legal and regulatory issues around energy and resources. An avid listener of the podcast, Frank discusses the global energy challenges we are faced with and how he sees the global energy transitions unfolding and what this means for the mining sector. We also discuss the Energy Resource Governance Initiative that Frank and his team are initiating with global partners around the world. KEY TAKEAWAYS US mining operations are seen as an extension of diplomacy. Therefore it is incumbent upon all new global operations to act with care, concern and responsibility. Understanding a country's ambition and vision for energy is a key responsibility of Frank's department. Once this is ascertained, work must be done to bridge the gap between where they are currently, and how hey can achieve these goals. One of the main challenges is to convince the world that despite pulling out from certain climate agreements, that the US is still focussed upon delivering new, positive energy initiatives. Significant investment has been made in renewable energy sources. Simultaneously oil, coal and gas have seen a decline in terms of investment. COVID has seen an acceleration in both of these trends. BEST MOMENTS 'Companies represent the values of America' 'This is the era of energy transformation' 'Energy can be a force of cooperation' 'We have a whole new demarcation of time'  VALUABLE RESOURCES   Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Frank Fannon LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-fannon-26a384121/ Frank Fannon Twitter - https://twitter.com/frank_fannon?lang=en ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community insight into people's experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specializing in all areas of mining across the globe from the first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, the Middle East, Asia, and Australia. We source, headhunt, and discover new and top talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our client's organizations in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative, and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD Email: rob@mining-international.org Website: https://www.mining-international.org/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MiningRobTyson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DigDeepTheMi... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/digdeepthem... YouTube: www.youtube.com/c/DigDeepTheMiningPod...

In this episode Rob talks with Henrik Frijs, Head of Sales & Marketing at EHS Data - a world-leading Environmental Data Management company providing environmental data systems to the mining industry. Henrik is an experienced environmental specialist who explains how mining companies can improve their environmental systems and processes through some of their technology, products and solutions. KEY TAKEAWAYS The main industries being served by EHS's data system are landfill organisations, which has now grown organically into the mining sector. Data is currently being used effectively to serve environmental concerns in sectors such as power generation, metal processing, smelting and other related industries. All mining has an effect upon the environment. It is the responsibility of the operation, under regulation, to adhere to the restoration and impact assessment of the production. Later, accurate reporting and measurement is crucial. Operations must seek to replace the more manual procedures that are currently in place. These restrict growth, and can never be an all-encompassing solution. BEST MOMENTS 'Mining is the main industry that we serve' 'Any mining activity is a disturbance to the environment' 'Data can only provide a platform' 'When we engage with a mining company, we know very well what it is, and can come with advice on how to manage the data' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes EHS Data - https://ehsdata.com/tag/henrik-frijs/ Henrik Frijs LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/henrik-m-frijs-1b09333/?originalSubdomain=uk ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3

In the episode we chat to James Rogers, CEO of Clarity Gold who are a junior miner focussing on the acquisition and exploration of overlooked and under-financed gold properties in around Canada. We chat about the junior mining space in the region, and about the company's flagship asset - what is so great about the Abitibi, and why this geology/location is important. KEY TAKEAWAYS Exploration is about thinking differently, and about looking for the value to be found in new projects and most importantly, new ways of thinking. The next milestones for Clarity as they move forward are to advance explorations by focussing efforts into high-grade projects. The junior sector in Clarity's area of speciality is thriving now. Deposits are attractive as are projects. The gold price is strong and Quebec is a positive environment in which to operate. The Coronavirus lockdown situation has not affected the way in which Clarity have operated, in that drilling has continued and cannot be done remotely. What has changed are the factors outside of the projects. BEST MOMENTS 'I'm a resource professional who didn't want to become a resource professional in the first place' 'My time is almost entirely spent with Clarity and moving along' 'We got more excited as we dug deeper' 'It's our job now to take this and expand it, and rethink the story!' VALUABLE RESOURCES Dig Deep – The Mining Podcast on iTunes Clarity Gold - https://claritygoldcorp.com/corporate/management-team/ James Rogers LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-rogers-07988846/?originalSubdomain=ca ABOUT THE HOST Rob Tyson is an established recruiter in the mining and quarrying sector and decided to produce the “Dig Deep” The Mining Podcast to provide valuable and informative content around the mining industry. He has a passion and desire to promote the industry and the podcast aims to offer the mining community an insight to peoples experiences and careers covering any mining discipline, giving the listeners helpful advice and guidance on industry topics. Rob is the Founder and Director of Mining International Ltd, a leading global recruitment and headhunting consultancy based in the UK specialising in all areas of mining across the globe from first world to third world countries from Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia and Australia. We source, headhunt and discover new and top talent talent through a targeted approach and search methodology and have a proven track record in sourcing and positioning exceptional candidates into our clients organisation in any mining discipline or level. Mining International provides a transparent, informative and trusted consultancy service to our candidates and clients to help them develop their careers and business goals and objectives in this ever-changing marketplace. CONTACT METHOD rob@mining-international.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-tyson-3a26a68/ www.mining-international.org https://twitter.com/MiningConsult https://www.facebook.com/MiningInternational.org https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69dGPS29lmakv-D7LWJg_Q?guided_help_flow=3