Mitt Romney once mistakenly quipped that people were either "makers or takers" echoing a common sentiment among US politicians that by working we provide society with value and are rewarded with a sense of dignity. But what if we considered that each of us had dignity that wasn't engulfed in our work identity? Would we be less susceptible to burnout if we accepted ourselves as enough as we are, regardless of our job status?    Having come through a dark period of burnout himself, Jonathan Malesic firmly believes that we all have dignity. Period. He has written a timely book called The End of Burnout: Why work drains us and how to build better lives. We are delighted that Jon has come to talk to Behavioral Grooves Podcast about what leads to burnout and how to prevent it.   Jon delves into how the Protestant work ethic can contribute to burnout. And echoes Jennifer Moss’ sentiments from last week's episode that burnout is an issue with corporate culture, not an individual problem.   And to Tim's delight, Jon provides some historical context to the first musical mentions of burnout by Bob Dylan and Neil Young back in the 70s. We learn why that period in particular was a pivotal moment in the US labor market and how this is reflected in music from that era.   If you are a regular listener to Behavioral Grooves, please consider donating to our work through Patreon. If donating isn’t an option, don’t worry, writing a podcast review helps others find our show, and we love reading them!   Topics (2:28) Welcome and speed round questions. (7:47) The expectations of work vs. the reality of work. (11:38) Jonathan’s experience of burnout. (16:21) The 6 factors that can lead to burnout. (21:29) Solutions to burnout. (23:43) How the Protestant work ethic contributes to burnout. (27:43) Putting dignity before work. (32:44) How Jonathan wrote his whole book listening to just one album. (37:33) Bob Dylan and Neil Young started singing about burnout in the 70s. (42:45) How to avoid burnout. (45:56) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on the causes and solutions to burnout.   © 2022 Behavioral Grooves   Links Jonathan Malesic: https://jonmalesic.com/  “The End of Burnout: Why Work Drains Us and How to Build Better Lives” By Jonathan Malesic: https://amzn.to/3tDdS8j The Parking Lot Movie by Meghan Eckman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parking_Lot_Movie Christina Maslach: https://psychology.berkeley.edu/people/christina-maslach  Michael Leiter: https://mpleiter.com/author/mpleiter/  Episode 247, Dr Phil Zimbardo: Stanford Prison Experiment, 50 Years On: What Have We Really Learnt? https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/stanford-prison-experiment/ The Pope’s Encyclicals: https://www.papalencyclicals.net/ Herbert Freudenberger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Freudenberger  The Myth of Sisyphus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus  Episode 301, Jennifer Moss: How To Fix Burnout (Hint: It Isn’t Another Yoga Session): https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/how-to-fix-burnout-jennifer-moss/  Episode 281, Sesil Pir: Why Leaders Need To Care For People, Not Manage Them: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/care-for-people-not-manage-them/  Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links Neil Young “Ambulance Blues”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LTiKJlB62g Bob Dylan “Shelter from the Storm”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gsDBuHwqbM The War on Drugs “Lost In The Dream”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3HqnHUohOo Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan “Mustt Mustt”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDfELfpumEE   

We’ve been programmed to treat burnout as a self-care issue, as if we’re just one yoga session or a relaxation app away from fixing the problem. Jennifer Moss, however, describes the solution to burnout as an organizational issue, not an individual hurdle. Creating a workplace culture where leaders model healthy work behavior, engage with empathy and cater for employees' individual needs can foster an environment that helps prevent burnout before it starts.  "Employees can’t be what they can’t see."  We love Jen’s analogy of the dusty ping pong table to illustrate the perks that some businesses offer but then don’t back-up with a work culture that encourages 20 minute breaks throughout the day. What your left with is a business that sounds like a great place to work, but in reality, there’s a dusty ping pong table in the basement that never gets used. Organizations need to adapt. Jennifer Moss is a Harvard Business Review contributor and nationally syndicated radio columnist. She was on the Global Happiness Council—a small group of leading scientists and economists that support the UN’s sustainable goals related to global well-being and the Annual Global Happiness Policy Report.  Jennifer is also the author of a new book, The Burnout Epidemic which came out in September 2021. In this episode, Jen will open your eyes to new ways of thinking about burnout - particularly how it gets framed in our culture and that loving your job doesn’t make you immune to burnout.  If you would like to become a special supporter of Behavioral Grooves Podcast, you can join Behavioral Grooves Patreon. Topics (4:43) Welcome to Jen and speed round questions.  (8:26) Is loving your work enough to avoid burnout? (9:20) Why do we struggle so much with burnout? (10:52) The 6 causes of burnout.  (13:30) The dusty ping pong table. (15:55) What role does leadership play in preventing burnout? (21:45) Can you learn empathy? (25:07) Should companies become more paternalistic? (26:40) Culture eats strategy for breakfast. (29:23) Becoming professional eavesdroppers.  (33:36) Non work related check ins. (38:47) How small team scrums can improve productivity.  (42:19) Does mindset affect agility in teams? (44:29) What music does Jen enjoy listening to? (49:00) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on burnout. © 2022 Behavioral Grooves Links Jennifer Moss’ book “The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It”: https://amzn.to/3K3O4be  Jennifer Moss: https://www.jennifer-moss.com/  Chester Elton, Episode 256 “Anxiety at Work: Why We Feel It and How To Manage It”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/anxiety-at-work-chester-elton/  Dan Pink, Episode 277 “No Regrets? Really? Why Regrets Actually Bring Us Hope“: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-regrets-bring-us-hope/  Victoria Shaffer, Episode 95 “End of Life Decision Tools“: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/victoria-schaffer-end-of-life-decision-tools/  Liz Fosslien, Episode 120 “Covid-19 Crisis: Emotional Impact of WFH with Liz Fosslien”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/c-19-crisis-emotional-impact-of-wfh-with-liz-fosslien/  Linda Babcock,. Episode 293 “Women Do Too Much Non-Promotable Work: How To Say No More with Linda Babcock”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/women-do-too-much/  Sandra Sucher, Episode 266 “Trust: The Four Key Steps to Genuinely Build It | Sandra Sucher”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/four-key-steps-to-build-trust/     Musical Links Ella Fitzgerald “Mack The Knife” Live in Berlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXAtVbZbkI  Jørgen Dahl Moe “Dancing in the Dark”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Qs6KvfiAY  Etta James “At Last”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-cbOl96RFM  Aretha Franklin “Respect”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0  Sam Cooke “A Change is Gonna Come”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBlaMOmKV4  Adele “Someone Like You”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0  Beethoven "Moonlight Sonata": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4591dCHe_sE   

We all know someone who believes in conspiracy theories and we wish we could change their mind. It is possible. There are techniques that can work to transform how people think. But what we love about our conversation with David McRaney is that he adds in a Step 0 to the process and asks “why do you want to change their mind?”    Are you open to changing your own mind? If you have any interest in changing someone else’s mind, you should be open to changing your own mind too. To effectively collaborate with others and compassionately explore differences in opinion, we need to accept that our minds too can be changed.   We are delighted to welcome our esteemed guest David McRaney to this, our 300th episode of Behavioral Grooves Podcast! David takes a fascinating dive into why exactly we hold our beliefs, the science behind each of us seeing the world through slightly different lenses, and the stark reality that truth is tribal. While this is a long episode of Behavioral Grooves, you may just find yourself wanting to listen again as David’s detailed explanations are mind-blowing.    David McRaney is a science journalist and creator of the podcast You Are Not So Smart which explores self delusion and motivated reasoning. His excellent new book (coming out June 2022), “How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion” carefully unravels the science and personal experience of transformed thinking.    Remember the dress that divided social media a few years ago; was it blue and black or white and gold? David explains exactly why some of us saw it differently and adds a new experiment about perception to the mix - crocs and socks!    Conversations like David’s are the reason we produce Behavioral Grooves Podcast. It is a labor of love for us, and so, we really appreciate any financial support our listeners can provide, through our Patreon page. All donations help us continue the work of producing the podcast weekly. If donating isn’t an option for you, don’t worry, you can write us a podcast review which helps promote our show to other listeners. Thank you.   Topics (4:18) Welcome and speed round questions.  (11:18) How minds change vs. how to change minds. (14:35) How is elaboration different from learning?  (27:27) Mini Grooving Session on the difference between beliefs, opinions and attitudes. (34:09) Why do you want to change someone’s mind? (41:03) The moment David realized he should question why, not just how to change minds. (52:55) Mini Grooving Session on why to change minds. (57:27) Why some see the dress as gold & white and some see it as blue & black. (1:18:28) Mini Grooving Session on the dress and the crocs. (1:22:15) Truth is tribal.  (1:35:33) Mini Grooving Session on having a social safety net. (1:40:38) What was the catalyst for David becoming interested in conspiracy theories? (1:46:19) How to get people off the conspiratorial loop? (1:51:23) What musical artists would David take to a desert island?   © 2022  Behavioral Grooves   Links  David McRaney’s book, “How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion”: https://amzn.to/3NvGMPp  David McRaney: https://www.davidmcraney.com/  You Are Not So Smart Podcast: https://youarenotsosmart.com/podcast/  Why We Fight WWII Films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight  Hugo Mercier “The Enigma of Reason”: https://amzn.to/3H1UoiN  Episode 53, John Sweeney, Everything Is a Story: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/john-sweeney-everything-is-a-story/  “SURFPAD”- Exploring the roots of disagreement with crocs and socks: https://blog.pascallisch.net/exploring-the-roots-of-disagreement-with-crocs-and-socks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=exploring-the-roots-of-disagreement-with-crocs-and-socks  Wallisch, Pascal & Karlovich, Michael. (2019). Disagreeing about Crocs and socks: Creating profoundly ambiguous color displays: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335127865_Disagreeing_about_Crocs_and_socks_Creating_profoundly_ambiguous_color_displays Take the crocs and socks test: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/crocPerception  The dress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress  Episode 178, Kwame Christian On Compassionate Curiosity, Social Justice Conversations, and Cinnamon Toast Crunch: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/kwame-christian-on-compassionate-curiosity-social-justice-conversations-and-cinnamon-toast-crunch/  Change blindness: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2009/11/06/change-blindness/    Musical Links  Radiohead “No Surprises”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CVsCnxyXg  Colin Stetson “Spindrift”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHr2DlRog8   

What if we were so optimistic, nothing ever felt like an obstacle, only an opportunity? As an unapologetic optimist, Patreon page. If donating isn’t an option for you, don’t worry, you can write us a podcast review which will help promote our show to other listeners. Thank you. Topics (4:07) Welcome and speed round questions. (7:06) Should we rewrite the American constitution? (11:17) Paul is affected by SIPO. What is it? (15:14) Going from hating himself to loving himself. (19:32) How can we transform our neuroplasticity? (25:24) Love all, serve all. (27:58) Four global initiatives Paul is involved in. (29:52) How climate transformation is possible. (36:49) Paul’s travel to 62 countries and how it's influenced his musical taste. (43:18) An optimistic Grooving session with Kurt and Tim. © 2022  Behavioral Grooves   Links Dr. Paul Zeitz: www.drpaulzeitz.org   Opinion Science Podcast: https://opinionsciencepodcast.com/  Alicia Keys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Keys  Desmond Tutu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu  Dr. Paul Zeitz's books: "Waging Optimism; Ushering in a New Era of Justice: Part 1: Ensuring the Survival and Flourishing of Humanity": https://amzn.to/3rZcsmC "Waging Justice: A Doctor's Journey to Speak Truth and Be Bold": https://amzn.to/3IJPQxm Global Carbon Removal Partnership: https://www.carbonremovalpartnership.net/  Julie Battilana, Episode 288, “The Steps Needed To Empower the Powerless”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/steps-to-empower-the-powerless/  John A. List, Episode 296, Fail to Scale: Why Good Research Doesn’t Always Make Great Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/fail-to-scale-john-a-list/  Alia Crum: https://profiles.stanford.edu/alia-crum  Shawn Anchor, “The Happiness Advantage: The Seven Principles of Positive Psychology That Fuel Success and Performance at Work”: https://amzn.to/3NPMrQ4  Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links Robert Goulet “The Impossible Dream”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5H7lZMuUCM  Nina Simone “Consummation”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-gdWIBgHo Flavors of Gratefulness – 120 versions of Modah Ani: https://www.rabbishefagold.com/hebrew_chant/modah_ani_app/ Shulem “Avinu Malkeinu”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27HaHpaFEC8&ab_channel=ShulemVEVO

Many of us struggle with the demands of parenting. Our response to feeling overwhelmed can be to try and control our kids’ behavior. But guest Sue Donnellan challenges us to lessen our parenting load by giving our children more control, more responsibility and ultimately more respect. While this might go against our instincts, when we take ownership of our own behavior, rather than controlling our kids', we will become happier parents with children able to learn from their mistakes.   Sue Donnellan is the recent author of “Secrets to Parenting Without Giving a F^ck: The Non-Conformist Playbook to Raising Happy Kids Without Public Meltdowns, Power Struggles, & Punishments”. With the surprise arrival of her triplets, Sue had suddenly found herself parenting 4 young kids while also running her own business. She walks us through the moment that radically changed her parenting style, and how she transformed herself into a "reformed yeller". Over the years, Sue's journey of discovery has turned her into a parenting specialist who is known for restoring harmony to homes.   Please note that because of the title of our guest’s book on this episode, there is a lot of colorful language used throughout the podcast. While it’s an episode about parenting, you may want to tune in to this one, away from little ears!   At Behavioral Grooves we really value all of our listeners. If you want to demonstrate your support for our show, you can donate to our work through Patreon. We also love reading reviews of the podcast, and frequently read these out on the show.   Topics (3:44) Welcome and speed round questions. (8:49) What is parenting without giving a f^ck? (11:53) Sues’ parenting journey and why she wrote the book. (16:36) Why do parents struggle to let go of control? (19:00) What is The Magic Mantra? (22:32) Choice architecture in parenting. (26:04) Dealing with parental guilt. (29:44) What is 360 decision making? (35:54) The 4 Fs of parenting. (39:53) What music would Sue take to a desert island? (45:09) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim about parenting.   © 2022 Behavioral Grooves   Links Sue Donnellan’s book: “Secrets to Parenting Without Giving a F^ck: The Non-Conformist Playbook to Raising Happy Kids Without Public Meltdowns, Power Struggles, & Punishments”: https://amzn.to/3wR0Llw  Follow Sue Donnellan on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter with the handle @AskMomParenting The Zeigarnik Effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeigarnik_effect Sesil Pir, Episode 281, Why Leaders Need To Care For People, Not Manage Them: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/care-for-people-not-manage-them/  Behavioral Grooves Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links Sade “Smooth Operator”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A  Sade “Cherish The Day”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKhfoKOTwZY 

World-class pediatric surgeon, social scientist, and best-selling author Dr Dana Suskind MD talks about the Three T's (tune in, talk more and take turns) that parents can do to nurture their children’s brain development and the key ways that society needs to change to invest in the next generation. Dana is the founder and co-director of the TMW Center for Early Learning & Public Health, and Professor of Surgery and Pediatrics at the University of Chicago. She is also the director of the Pediatric Cochlear Implant Program, and is recognized as a national thought leader in early language development. Her research is dedicated to optimizing foundational brain development and preventing early cognitive disparities and their lifelong impact. Honestly, when she talks about raising kids…we need to listen. Most recently, Dana has released a fantastic new book detailing the powerful blueprint that society should be taking to meet the developmental needs of all children. We talk more with Dana about why she wrote Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise and how the status quo for parenting in America is not serving parents and children well. If you enjoy Dana’s episode on Behavioral Grooves Podcast, you can support our work through our Patreon page. You can also write a short podcast review on your podcast player; doing so helps other listeners find our show.   Topics (4:58) Welcome and speed round questions.  (9:25) How has American individualism influenced the way we parent our children? (13:05) How significant is the lack of parental leave in the US? (17:37) Internalizing parental guilt. (19:28) Reframing your self talk around raising your kids.  (21:17) The influence of the pandemic on parenting. (25:19) What has been the impact of the pandemic on children? (27:28) Why language is so important to early development. (30:20) The 3 Ts of foundational brain development. (31:56) The personal trauma that influenced Dana’s writing. (34:19) What positive support systems are there to help parents? (39:31) Dana’s ambition to write behavioral economics music! (41:26) Grooving Session discussing Parent Nation.   © 2022 Behavioral Grooves   Links “Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise” by Dana Suskind MD:  https://amzn.to/3wD8YIQ  John List, Episode 296: Fail to Scale: Why Good Research Doesn’t Always Make Great Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/fail-to-scale-john-a-list/  Linda Babcock, Episode 293: Women Do Too Much Non-Promotable Work: How To Say No More with Linda Babcock: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/women-do-too-much/  Meryl Streep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meryl_Streep  John Amos Comenius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amos_Comenius  Caitlyn Collins, Washington University: https://sociology.wustl.edu/people/caitlyn-collins  TMW Center for Early Learning + Public Health at the University of Chicago: https://tmwcenter.uchicago.edu/  “Thirty Million Words: Building a Child's Brain” by Dana Suskind MD: https://amzn.to/3wJ1MLl  Dolly Chugh, Episode 230: How Good People Fight Bias with Dolly Chugh: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cristina-bicchieri-social-norms-are-bundles-of-expectations/  David Yokum, Episode 282: Why Applying Behavioral Science to Public Policy Delivers Better Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/behavioral-science-in-public-policy/  Cristina Bicchieri, Episode 102: Social Norms are Bundles of Expectations: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cristina-bicchieri-social-norms-are-bundles-of-expectations/  Support Behavioral Grooves Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links Johnny Cash “I Walk The Line”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5126CibNsk 

Lots of us have good ideas, some even back their ideas up with successful research. So why do these good ideas fail to scale into great, big ideas? John A. List shares the personal example of his highly successful kindergarten reform in South Side Chicago which then didn’t scale across the nation. His intrigue into this case led him to pen a phenomenal new book about scalability, “The Voltage Effect”.   John A. List, is a Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago as well as recently becoming the first ever Chief Economist at Walmart. Our conversation with John touches on the ambition he has to change the world for the better in this new role at Walmart. But the primary drive for our chat was to discuss his great new book “The Voltage Effect: How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale”. Listen in to learn about the concept of scalability and why it is so hard to go from, “the petri dish’ (as he puts it) to successful broad scale programs.    As is often the case, we round off our episode with a desert island music selection from our guest. And John’s very thoughtful consideration of the question yields a top notch selection of musical artists. Don’t miss this part of the discussion!   Regular listeners to Behavioral Grooves might consider donating to our work through our Patreon page. Or you can also support us by writing a podcast review on your podcast player; doing so helps scale our audience! Topics   (6:06) Welcome and speed round questions. (11:03) Why John named his book The Voltage Effect. (13:41) John’s involvement in the Chicago Heights Early Childhood (CHECC) school project. (23:05) What biases influence people? (26:29) How Nancy Reagan’s good intentions are an example of scaling failure. (30:52) Scaling behavioral science. (39:17) How is John going to change the world as Chief Economist at Walmart? (43:33) How can insights from charity be applied to other sectors? (54:55) John’s desert island music selection. (1:04:11) A “High Voltage” Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim. © 2022 Behavioral Grooves Links John A. List’s book, “The Voltage Effect: How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale”: https://amzn.to/3a0GOjh  “Just Say No” campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No Anna Karenina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina “Stakes Matter in Ultimatum Games” (2011) by Steffen Andersen, Seda Ertaç, Uri Gneezy, Moshe Hoffman and John List: https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/hhscbsnow/2011_5f001.htm  George Lowenstein, Episode 67 “George Loewenstein: On a Functional Theory of Boredom”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/george-loewenstein-on-a-functional-theory-of-boredom/  “Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise” by Dana Suskind:  https://amzn.to/3wD8YIQ  Sam Tatam, Episode 295 “For Revolutionary Solutions, Look To Evolutionary Ideas”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/evolutionary-ideas-sam-tatam/  Scott Jeffrey, Episode 3: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/bg-3-scott-jeffrey-phd-monmouth-university/  Thomas Steenburgh, Episode 51: “How to Sell New Products”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/thomas-steenburgh-how-to-sell-new-products/  To leave Apple podcast review: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behavioral-grooves-podcast/id1303870112 To support Behavioral Grooves via Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links   The Beatles “Don’t Let Me Down”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y  Freddie Mercury/Queen “These are the Days of Our Lives”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4K0scMysc  Johnny Cash “Ring Of Fire”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMz70Fm5pA  Marty Robbins “El Paso”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2GF1sZSEA  The Red Hot Chili Peppers “Under The Bridge”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE  AC/DC “High Voltage”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjh-zp6pP4  Gordon Lightfoot “If You Could Read My Mind”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tr_L31StI  Kris Kristofferson “For the Good Times”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX094Nn4L_Y  Waylon Jennings “I’ve Always Been Crazy”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2MhAGtZgE  Fleetwood Mac “Dreams”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ywicffOj4  Stevie Nicks “Stand Back”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwS9BIqbffU  White Stripes “We’re Going to Be Friends”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfD8d3XJok

Innovation doesn’t always require inventing new solutions to problems; chances are that evolution has already solved the issue with a unique design. This simple notion of looking to the natural world for design inspiration is called biomimicry. Guest, Sam Tatam uses biomimicry in his creative application of behavioral science.   Friend of the show, Sam Tatam is the author of a fantastic new book called Evolutionary Ideas: Unlocking ancient innovation to solve tomorrow’s challenges. Sam is the Global Principal and Head of Behavioural Science at Ogilvy Growth & Innovation. From New York to Nairobi, Sam has led behavior change projects across virtually every category and continent. Today, he leads a global team of talented psychologists and behavioral economists to develop interventions and shape the communications of some of the world’s most influential brands and organizations.   Listen in to our conversation with Sam to learn about biomimicry, The Theory of Inventive Problem Solving (TRIZ) and the Goal Gradient theory. But our conversation isn't all "sciency", we also have a light hearted chat about the musical artist Sam went to Italy with, and about the differences in pubs between London and Sydney.   If you are a regular listener to Behavioral Grooves, please consider donating to our work through Patreon. We also absolutely love reading your reviews on the podcast, which help others find our content. Topics   (4:59) Welcome and speed round questions. (13:23) What is biomimicry?  (18:20) TRIZ (Theory of Inventive Problem Solving) and evolutionary thinking. (25:32) How language can be a liberator for innovation.  (29:28) Categorizing biases into patterns. (34:58) What is the Goal Gradient Theory and why isn’t it applied more often? (39:14) Five psychological contradictions. (47:26) What music would Sam take to a desert island? (51:03) Kurt and Tim discussing Sam’s Evolutionary Ideas. © 2021 Behavioral Grooves Links   Sam Tatam's Book: "Evolutionary Ideas: Unlocking ancient innovation to solve tomorrow’s challenges": https://amzn.to/3I6ANwX  Episode 44, Sam Tatam: Smelling the Brand: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/sam-tatam-smelling-the-brand/  Episode 107: Rory Sutherland: The Opposite of a Good Idea is a Good Idea: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/rory-sutherland-the-opposite-of-a-good-idea-is-a-good-idea/  Biomimicry: https://biomimicry.org/what-is-biomimicry/  TRIZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ  Shinkansen, Japanese speed train: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen  Generich Altshuller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller  Episode 215, Leidy Klotz: Secrets of Subtraction: Donut Holes, Lego and Bruce Springsteen: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/subtraction-with-leidy-klotz/  Episode 289: Why Not All Nudges Work ”In The Wild” | Nina Mazar PhD & Dilip Soman PhD: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-not-all-nudges-work-in-the-wild-nina-mazar-dilip-soman/  Baader–Meinhof phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion  Episode 202, How Chaning Jang Works Around Not Being WEIRD: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/how-chaning-jang-works-around-not-being-weird/  Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves   Musical Links   David Gray “Sail Away”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oyBnvibWEY  Powderfinger “My Happiness”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM_eb0vVo0k 

A goal is a stepping stone on the way to a higher achievement, not an end point. By reframing our expectations, we can transform our mindset into an incredibly powerful psychological tool.   Our guest on this episode is Paul Szyarto who has overcome some heartbreaking personal adversity to become an incredibly successful entrepreneur.   Paul speaks with us in detail about the blind spots entrepreneurs experience and why many organizations fail because they don’t hire the right people with the right talent. And he reminds us that the most challenging thing to do in times of chaos is to focus on something meaningful, something beyond the current chaos of that current challenge.   © 2022 Behavioral Grooves   Topics  (2:50) Welcome and speed round questions. (5:11) Goals are not end points, they are stepping stones to a higher achievement. (8:47) The psychology of human capital. (12:16) Why most businesses fail.  (13:31) Paul’s secret tips for entrepreneurs.  (16:23) What is the Never Broken mindset? (19:51) The barriers to feeling grateful. (21:14) Does Paul’s playlist reflect his Never Broken mindset? (22:40) Grooving session with Kurt and Tim discussing mindsets. Links Never Broken Mindset: https://www.neverbrokenmindset.com/  Episode 277, Daniel Pink, No Regrets? Really? Why Regrets Actually Bring Us Hope: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-regrets-bring-us-hope/  Episode 276, Ayelet Fishbach, How To Stay Motivated So You Exceed Your Goals: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/motivation-to-exceed-your-goals/   

Women are more likely to volunteer for a non-promotable task at work, than men. But why do women volunteer themselves more? What repercussions does this have on women and on the organization? And how can workplaces fix this inequity?   Non promotable tasks (NPTs) are the pieces of work that are good for the organization, but not so good for the individual. It’s the request from your boss to organize the holiday party, or the task of ordering sandwiches for the team lunch, or the mission of being on the review committee. And the problem, says Linda and her co-authors, is that women are doing the vast majority of these non-promotable tasks for no reason other than people expect them to.   Linda Babcock is a longtime friend of the show, having first appeared on Behavioral Grooves Podcast back in April 2019 to talk about promoting the careers of women in the workplace. Since then, Linda has co-authored a fantastic new book advocating further for women in the workplace; “The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women's Dead-End Work”. Having formed “The No Club” with a group of other women, in an effort to regain balance in their workload, Linda and her fellow group members have written about their personal experience of learning to say NO to NPTs.    Make no mistake, Linda’s book is not a guide for women, it is a guide for anyone who works with or knows women! Weaving practical tips into ever chapter of the book, Linda and her co-authors outline clear steps in how to avoid and fix the problem of workload inequity. And the benefits aren’t limited to women either - organizations can improve their productivity and profitability as a result of addressing these problems.   In this episode with Linda we relish the opportunity to discuss with her the practical ways women, men and organizations can rebalance the workload of NPTs. If you are a regular listener to the show, please consider support our work through our Patreon page. If donating isn’t an option for you, don’t worry, you can’t write us a podcast review on your podcast player which will help other listeners find our show.   Topics   (4:40) What are non promotable tasks (NPTs)? (7:47) Why do women do more NPTs? (12:50) Is there racial inequity with NPTs as well? (14:11) Tips for how women can say no to NPTs. (18:31) How can organizations fix the problem of NPTs? (21:27) How men can change the NPT culture at work. (25:55) Linda’s personal story of forming The No Club. (27:45) Linda’s desert island music choices. (31:21) Grooving session with Kurt and Tim on how to improve the culture of NPTs at your work..   © 2022 Behavioral Grooves Links   “The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women's Dead-End Work”: https://amzn.to/3KPuUFM  Episode 62, Linda Babcock: Helping Women Build Better Careers at Carnegie Mellon: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/linda-babcock-helping-women-build-better-careers-at-carnegie-mellon/  Episode 67, George Loewenstein: On a Functional Theory of Boredom: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/george-loewenstein-on-a-functional-theory-of-boredom/ Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves Leading Human Workbook and Playbook: https://www.behavioralgrooves-store.com/products/copy-of-the-leading-human-playbook-workbook-package   Musical Links   The Rolling Stones “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3XzO_cOOVU  Bruno Mars “24K Magic”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqyT8IEBkvY&ab_channel=BrunoMars  The Mountain Goats “Golden Boy Peanuts”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVNv9XZgG8&ab_channel=elijahlupe