
The Modern Pain Podcast
The Modern Pain Podcast helps clinicians and patients better understand and treat pain. We bring clinicians, researchers, and patients together. Our focus is on returning the patient's voice back to healthcare. Brought to you by Modern Pain Care.
Latest episodes

Mar 10, 2024 β’ 51min
Transforming Pain Management: Pain Reprocessing Therapy with Howard Schubiner
Dr. Howard Schubiner discusses the link between childhood trauma and pain, as well as the brain's role in creating pain. He highlights the challenges in training healthcare professionals to understand and address mind-body pain. Dr. Schubiner introduces the symptom perception model and explains the process of pain reprocessing therapy. He emphasizes the importance of ruling out structural problems and using the FIT criteria to determine if the pain is functional, inconsistent, and triggered. This conversation explores the revolutionary data on non-structural pain and the importance of transitioning to understanding the emotional piece of chronic pain. It delves into the role of emotional awareness and expression in pain management and the challenges clinicians face in incorporating a mind-body approach. The conversation also highlights the healthcare system challenges and available resources for clinicians and patients. Finally, it discusses the future of mind-body approaches and training opportunities.***Helpful Links***Dr. Sarno's BooksDr. Schubiner's WebsiteJAMA Psychiatry Study on Pain Reprocessing Therapy*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Mar 3, 2024 β’ 1h 2min
Leveling Up Pain Rehabilitation: Beyond Just Biomedical Approaches
In this conversation, Derek discusses his journey in pain rehabilitation and the challenges faced in providing comprehensive care. He emphasizes the need for prevention and early intervention in pain management, as well as the importance of addressing the biopsychosocial factors that contribute to pain. Derek also shares strategies for introducing new narratives to patients and overcoming barriers to implementing a multidisciplinary approach. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the frontier of pain care and the potential impact of understanding the neuroimmune system on patient care. In this conversation, Derek Griffin discusses the complexity of pain and the challenges of understanding its underlying mechanisms. He emphasizes the importance of bringing complex topics to the patient's context and using relatable examples, such as allergies and the flu, to explain the body's protective responses. Derek also highlights the limitations of pain neuroscience education and the need for a more comprehensive approach to treatment. He discusses the skill set required for psychologically informed care, including active listening, dealing with uncertainty, and acknowledging the patient's expertise. Derek concludes by emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and collaboration in improving patient care.Derek's X Profile - https://twitter.com/DerekGriffin86*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Feb 11, 2024 β’ 51min
Using Improv to Improve Your Practice.
Join the Modern Pain Pro communityIn this conversation, Mark Kargela and Logan Buckley discuss the importance of communication in physiotherapy and how improv can enhance patient care. Logan shares his journey from being a physical therapist to discovering improv and how it has impacted his communication skills. They explore the role of communication in working with persistent pain patients and the influence of improv on navigating uncertainty and complexity. They emphasize the importance of authenticity and finding one's own voice in communication. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the complexity of communication compared to interventions and the power of purposeful curiosity. In this conversation, Mark and Logan discuss the importance of being authentic and vulnerable in patient interactions. They highlight the value of admitting when you don't have all the answers and being a real person rather than a paternalistic authority figure. *********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Feb 4, 2024 β’ 54min
Strengthening Exercise for Shoulder Pain: Shifting Paradigms
This episode dives into the shifting paradigms around strength exercise in managing shoulder pain and what is behind the positive effects we see clinically. Jared Powell, a Ph.D. candidate, and shoulder physio specialist, joins us to discuss this and helps us get an understanding of the current state of evidence and how he positions exercise in his practice along with how he communicates it. Jared's Publications Mentioned in the EpisodeThe Shoulder Physio WebsiteJoin the Modern Pain Pro Community*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Jan 22, 2024 β’ 10min
Beyond Techniques: Transforming Pain Care
Join our exclusive Modern Pain Pro community where we go deep on all things pain In the episode "Beyond Techniques: Transforming Pain Care" of the Modern Pain Podcast, the focus is on the limitations of relying solely on new techniques in pain management. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the broader context of a patient's life and experiences. The discussion revolves around integrating holistic approaches into patient care, highlighting the need for long-term strategies that go beyond immediate pain relief techniques. This approach aims to foster more sustainable and effective pain management, offering a deeper insight into the complexities of pain care.*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Jan 15, 2024 β’ 19min
Physical Therapists: Balancing Personal Philosophy with Clinic Culture
Join our exclusive Modern Pain Pro community - where we go deep on all things pain This episode offers insights for physical therapists, especially new graduates, on thriving in professional environments where colleagues may have differing treatment philosophies. It emphasizes the importance of understanding clinic culture, respecting diverse treatment approaches, and integrating evidence-based methods into traditional practices. The video provides practical advice on building professional relationships, adapting to various physical therapy techniques, and effectively managing complex pain cases. It encourages open communication and continuous learning from peers to enhance patient outcomes and personal career growth.*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Jan 7, 2024 β’ 50min
Beyond the Clinic Doors: Proactive Approaches in Pain Care
Go deeper in our Modern Pain Pro Community The Client Experience CompanyIn this conversation, Mark and Jerry discuss the need for upstream thinking in healthcare and the barriers that prevent clinicians from seeing beyond the clinic. They emphasize the importance of managing expectations and building alliances with patients. They also explore the value of consumer-facing resources and the resistance to change in the healthcare system. The conversation highlights the potential impact of giving more than you get and the need for a shift from illness care to wellness care. Jerry discusses the importance of charging for services and the challenges of pricing. He emphasizes the need for the work to be on him to find ways and people that can benefit the consumer. Jerry also mentions the work he does with his company, Client Experience Company, which focuses on managing the patient journey and setting expectations. He highlights the importance of moving conversations upstream and ensuring that information travels with the patient. Jerry shares the results of his work, including increased patient success and improved business outcomes. He also mentions his current research on misalignment in organizations and the impact on patient care.*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Jan 1, 2024 β’ 49min
The PRISM Model: Revolutionizing Pain Management in Physical Therapy
The PRISM Model The Integrative Pain Science InstituteThe Modern Pain Pro Community SummaryIn this conversation, Joe discusses the development of the PRISM model, a comprehensive approach to pain management. He explains the evolution of the biopsychosocial model and the need for a more expansive model that addresses the complexities of pain. Joe also highlights the importance of a process-based approach to pain care and the domains and processes of the PRISM model. He discusses the barriers to integrating a holistic approach and the discomfort that clinicians may experience when moving away from traditional interventions. Joe emphasizes the importance of resilience in pain care and provides contact information for further inquiries. In this conversation, Mark Kargela interviews Joe about chronic pain and its treatment. They discuss the importance of understanding chronic pain, the biopsychosocial model, and various treatment approaches. The conversation provides valuable insights for both clinicians and patients struggling with chronic pain.TakeawaysThe PRISM model is a comprehensive approach to pain management that addresses the complexities of pain and incorporates a process-based approach.The biopsychosocial model has evolved over time, and the PRISM model aims to build upon it by incorporating new research and understanding.The PRISM model consists of six domains: person context, purpose, pain literacy, pain mindset, physical activity, and physiology.There are 18 processes within the PRISM model that support the domains and help guide the treatment and management of pain.Barriers to integrating a holistic approach to pain care include education, reimbursement systems, and individual resistance to change.Embracing discomfort and uncertainty is necessary for clinicians to expand their thinking and provide more effective care.Resilience is a key component of the PRISM model, and helping patients access their own resilience can lead to positive growth and recovery. Chronic pain is a complex condition that requires a comprehensive understanding of its underlying causes and contributing factors.The biopsychosocial model emphasizes the interaction between biological, psychological, and social factors in the experience of chronic pain.Treatment approaches for chronic pain should be multidimensional, addressing physical, psychological, and social aspects of the condition.Collaboration between clinicians and patients is crucial in developing effective treatment plans for chronic pain.*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Dec 18, 2023 β’ 42min
Reimagining Pain Relief: Integrating Massage and Mental Health
Be part of the Modern Pain Pro Community Jamie's Website Had an enlightening chat with Jamie Johnston on our latest Modern Pain Podcast episode. From his journey in embracing pain science to the integration of mental health in therapy, Jamie's insights are a great example for any healthcare practitioner. Tune in to discover how we can revolutionize pain management together!*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Dec 11, 2023 β’ 12min
3 Reasons Con Ed is Failing Us in Pain Care Education
Join the community waitlist Welcome to another episode of the Modern Pain Podcast. In this episode, Dr. Mark Kargela discusses the shortcomings of continuing education (Con Ed) in pain management and proposes solutions for clinicians.Key Topics:β’ Mismatch Between Con Ed and Clinical Practice: the environments of Con Ed courses often don't resemble real clinical settings, limiting their applicability in managing complex pain cases.β’ Isolation in Clinical Practice: Many clinicians find themselves isolated when applying modern pain science and techniques, lacking peer support and mentorship in their practices.β’ Logistical and Financial Challenges: Con Ed often imposes financial and lifestyle burdens on clinicians, making it difficult to integrate continuous learning into their lives.*********************************************************************πΈ - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/π¦ - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ποΈ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness