
The Modern Pain Podcast
The Modern Pain Podcast helps clinicians and patients better understand and treat pain. We bring clinicians, researchers, and patients together. Our focus is on returning the patient's voice back to healthcare. Brought to you by Modern Pain Care.
Latest episodes

Jun 2, 2024 • 54min
Balancing Best Practice and Business in Physical Therapy Practice
If you have struggled to balance what you feel is best practice in pain care and the business demands of the setting you're in then this episode is for you. We had Andrew Rothschild in for a chat and we discussed this and how you can maintain high value care and meet the demands we all face in the business of healthcare. We talk about when it may be time for you to leave and find a better fit for you as well.*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

May 27, 2024 • 37min
The Path to Pain Management Expertise: Nick Rainey's Roadmap
Join us for an enlightening episode with Nick Rainey as we delve into modern strategies in pain management and their transformative potential for your clinical practice. Learn about the importance of mentorship in developing your pain management expertise and how integrating sales techniques can enhance patient engagement and outcomes. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with valuable insights to elevate your approach to pain care. Tune in and learn from one of the leading experts in the field.**Helpful Links**Rainey Pain and PerformanceOMPT definition paper*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

May 19, 2024 • 38min
Making Sleep Part of Your Practice: Practical Strategies to Incorporate Now
Physical therapist and professor Brett Neilson discusses the crucial link between sleep and chronic pain management, highlighting a gap in research practices. The conversation covers the impact of sleep on pain, role of wearables, and practical advice for clinicians on incorporating sleep assessments. Emphasizing the importance of understanding individual sleep needs and using tools like the CBTI Coach app.

May 5, 2024 • 53min
Rethinking Structure and Function in Osteopathy: Breaking Free of Outdated Beliefs
Spanish physiotherapist and osteopath, Diego Hidalgo, discusses anatomical possibilism in osteopathy and PT, addressing concerns over over-diagnosing and chronic pain challenges. They talk about the fallacy of osteopathic beliefs, holistic pain management, evidence-based practices, and the transition to modern approaches. The podcast explores the impact of psychosocial factors on pain, self-management in healthcare, navigating challenges in modernizing practices, and fostering respectful dialogue in the field.

Apr 28, 2024 • 48min
Beyond Neural Tension: Exploring Neurodynamics with Michael Shacklock
In this conversation, Mark Kargela interviews Michael Shacklock about his journey and influences in the field of neurodynamics. They discuss the transition from the traditional view of neural tension testing to neurodynamics, the influence of pain science on clinical practice, and the importance of integrating the biological examination with psychosocial factors. Michael also shares his focus on lumbar radiculopathy in his PhD research, specifically looking at unloading the nerve root for pain relief. In this conversation, Michael Shacklock discusses the use of neurodynamic techniques in the treatment of radiculopathy. He explains that movement-related pain should respond quickly to movement, and shares his favorite patient profile for this type of treatment. Shacklock emphasizes the importance of ruling out contralateral tests if they provoke pain, as this indicates reduced cord movement. He also discusses the role of radiology in diagnosing radiculopathy and the challenges of interpreting radiology reports. Shacklock addresses the misconceptions around neurodynamic tests and highlights the need for a comprehensive approach that integrates neurodynamics with musculoskeletal function. He concludes by discussing the application of neurodynamic techniques in acute radiculopathy and the importance of adapting treatment to the individual patient's needs.If you are looking to go deeper on topics, get training, and become a better pain care clinician, then check out our community at https://modernpaincare.com**TIMESTAMPS**00:00:00 Start00:02:04 Interview Begin00:07:15 The movement to neurodynamics versus neural tension00:10:37 How has pain science influenced MIchael's approach00:14:40 There is a time to specifically treat the tissues00:18:51 Michael's PhD focus00:23:32 Crossed straight leg raising as treatment00:26:50 Differneces between mechanical compresison and inflammtory nerve root issues00:32:05 Difficulties with radiolgy00:34:16 Where physios are missing the mark in application00:38:51 Use of neurodynamics in irritable patients00:42:04 Michael's view on other movement approaches00:45:09 Michael's courses and where to find him next*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Apr 21, 2024 • 51min
Defining Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy with Jason Silvernail
To go deeper and get support in your practice make sure you check out our community In this conversation, Mark Kargela interviews Jason Silvernail about the definition and description of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy (OMPT). They discuss the misconceptions and misunderstandings surrounding manual therapy and how OMPT differs from other forms of manual therapy. They also highlight the distinguishing characteristics of OMPT, including advanced subspecialty training, focus on clinical judgment, expertise in examination and treatment, and a patient-centered long-term mindset. The conversation emphasizes the importance of evidence-based practice and the need for a nuanced understanding of OMPT. In this conversation, Jason Silvernail and Mark Kargela discuss the value and benefits of OMPT (Orthopaedic Manual Physical Therapy) fellowship training. They highlight the importance of clinical judgment and critical thinking in the practice of manual therapy. They address the misconception of elitism associated with advanced training and emphasize the need for accurate information and informed decision-making. The conversation provides insights into the distinguishing characteristics of OMPT and its role in providing high-quality, evidence-based care for patients.Helpful Links:Link to paper Clinical reasoning paper in OMPT Jason's website Jason's X profile *********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Apr 14, 2024 • 47min
Does Surgery Really Work? Ian Harris Challenges Conventional Wisdom
In this conversation, Mark Kargela interviews Ian Harris, an orthopedic surgeon and researcher, about the challenges and problems in healthcare. Ian discusses his journey from being a practicing surgeon to becoming interested in the scientific method and evidence-based medicine. He talks about the resistance he has faced in challenging the status quo and the difficulties in changing the way surgeons think. They also discuss the placebo response in surgery, the blurring of normal and disease states in healthcare, and the overuse of procedures like spinal fusion and regenerative medicine. Ian shares his projects on placebo studies for rotator cuff repair and spine fusion, which aim to provide high-quality evidence to change practice.TakeawaysThe scientific method and evidence-based medicine are crucial in improving healthcare practices.Surgeons often face resistance when challenging the status quo and trying to change the way they think.The placebo response in surgery is complex, and contextual factors play a significant role.The blurring of normal and disease states in healthcare leads to unnecessary interventions and medicalization of normal conditions.Procedures like spinal fusion and regenerative medicine are often overused despite limited evidence of their effectiveness.Placebo studies for rotator cuff repair and spine fusion aim to provide high-quality evidence to guide practice.Books (Affiliate Links)Surgery: The Ultimate PlaceboHippocrasy: How Doctors are Betraying Their Oath*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Mar 31, 2024 • 45min
Decoding Radicular Pain: Terminology and Treatment Strategies
In this episode, physiotherapist Adam Dobson discusses lumbar radiculopathy and its management. He highlights the challenges in assessing and diagnosing lumbar radiculopathy, emphasizing the importance of precise terminology and understanding mixed presentations. Adam also explains the role of the neurological examination and the stepped-care approach in managing lumbar radiculopathy. He emphasizes the need for an economical approach to treatment, focusing on patient preferences and activities that are meaningful to them. Adam also discusses the role of physiotherapy in supporting patients' recovery and the importance of balancing tissue-based and biopsychosocial approaches.Schmid AB, Tampin B, Baron R, et al. Recommendations for terminology and the identification of neuropathic pain in people with spine-related leg pain. Outcomes from the NeuPSIG working group. *Pain*. 2023;164(8):1693-1704. doi:[10.1097/j.pain.0000000000002919](https://doi.org/10.1097/j.pain.0000000000002919)Konstantinou K, Lewis M, Dunn KM, et al. Stratified care versus usual care for management of patients presenting with sciatica in primary care (SCOPiC): a randomised controlled trial. *Lancet Rheumatol*. 2020;2(7):e401-e411. doi:[10.1016/S2665-9913(20)30099-0](https://doi.org/10.1016/S2665-9913(20)30099-0)Stynes S, Konstantinou K, Ogollah R, Hay EM, Dunn KM. Clinical diagnostic model for sciatica developed in primary care patients with low back-related leg pain. *PLoS One*. 2018;13(4):e0191852. doi:[10.1371/journal.pone.0191852](https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0191852)*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Mar 24, 2024 • 47min
Beyond Overmedicalization: Rethinking Pain and Treatment in Modern Healthcare
Simon Kelly discusses his journey as a healthcare professional and his exploration of the role of physiotherapy in pain management. He questions the necessity of physiotherapy for every individual and the challenges of building a virtual practice. Simon also delves into the limitations of the biomedical model of medicine and the need for a more holistic approach.*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Mar 17, 2024 • 38min
Unveiling PT's Hidden Curriculum: Communication, Mentorship, and Beyond
SummaryIn this conversation, Mark Kargela interviews Seth Peterson about various topics in physical therapy practice and education. They discuss the challenges of PT education, the role of manual therapy, the influence of social media on PT practice, the importance of mentorship, the value of communication in PT practice, the state of continuing education in PT, and the role of PTs as primary care musculoskeletal practitioners.Takeaways- PT education should focus on developing safe clinicians and providing mentorship to help clinicians become skilled practitioners.- There is value in manual therapy, but it should be used in conjunction with other interventions and tailored to the individual patient.- Social media can create idea cults and confusion for young clinicians, but mentorship and critical thinking can help navigate these challenges.- Communication skills are essential for PTs and should be emphasized in education and practice.- Continuing education in PT should be evidence-based and focus on developing clinical reasoning and case management skills.- PTs have the potential to serve as primary care musculoskeletal practitioners, but there are barriers that need to be addressed, such as expanding PTs' scope of practice.Check out Seth on X*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness