
Above Board
A podcast exploring running an indie + bootstrapped software (SaaS) company. Follow Jack and Paul (the co-founders) in their journey of building and growing Fathom Analytics.
Published every two weeks, listen in on lively debates about profit, customers, software, and how they’re working to keep their business in line with their values.
This is a podcast from Fathom Analytics (usefathom.com).
Latest episodes

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Apr 25, 2022 • 55min
Jordan Gal on competing with giants
Jack and Jordan share stories from the front lines of indie companies. Starting and running a software business, mistakes made along the way, exiting a company built from the ground up, living with bigger competitors who get all the industry press, and so much more.
They also get into the rise and meteoric fall of Fast, who raised over $120m in funding, ended up only making around $600k in revenue total, and then shutting down. Jordan discusses his point of view on what mistakes they made as a company and how they moved far too fast (pun intended).
Jordan's company Rally helps online merchants offer a more profitable checkout, post-purchase offers, and helping boost conversions.

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Apr 11, 2022 • 38min
Is product market fit really just luck?
Jack and Paul briefly chat about launching a few small features in Fathom Analytics: search filters, event currencies and a graph update. They also try to think through whether or not validating "Product Market Fit" is something you can plan for, just luck into, or if it's simply a trailing metric you can only learn after the fact.

Mar 28, 2022 • 31min
How we've failed
Jack and Paul discuss our business failures... past, present and possibly even future ones. Even with Fathom, there was a point were it was only doing a couple grand a month and didn't feel like a success (so why keep going with it?) The answer to that and much more in this episode. Jack also announced that the Google Analytics import feature for Fathom will be released before April 1st.

Mar 14, 2022 • 25min
Growth is testing Fathom
How a higher than usual growth rate has been affecting Fathom Analytics.

Mar 1, 2022 • 17min
How can small businesses make a difference to Ukraine?
Businesses aren’t people, but they’re run by people. That means your own values can help inform actions and stands you take. With Fathom, we’ve always been a values-driven company and don’t shy away from letting our customers and audience know how we feel about certain topics, so when Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, we decided that Fathom should do something.

Feb 21, 2022 • 56min
Should we take funding? (feat. Rob Walling)
See: https://usefathom.com/above-board/rob-walling

Feb 7, 2022 • 31min
When to spend money
Often in business, people talk a lot (or only) about the money they make and not about the money they spend to run their business. And it’s important to consider how much of your revenue you should be spending, what to be spending your money on, and how to best prioritize what expenses should before others.

Jan 24, 2022 • 49min
What it took to get Fathom off the ground: Jack and Paul interviewed
In this episode we were joined by our buddy Brian Casel, the founder of ZipMessage, to interview us on the backstory of Fathom and what it took to get Fathom off the ground.

Jan 17, 2022 • 25min
EU Ruling: Google Analytics is now illegal
In this episode Jack and Paul talk about the ruling from the Austrian DPA stating that Google analytics is illegal. Who does this affect? What can be done? Did Fathom Analytics have the inside scoop on this, and that’s why they created EU Isolation in 2021? All this and more in today’s episode."

Jan 10, 2022 • 26min
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