

Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations with Dr. Izabella Wentz
Dr. Izabella Wentz
Welcome to Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, where Dr. Izabella Wentz, pharmacist, researcher and NYT bestselling author dives deep into the root causes of thyroid dysfunction, gut imbalances, fatigue, chronic health issues and autoimmunity. This show brings you deep, insightful conversations with top experts in functional medicine, nutrition, and wellness. We explore topics like gut health, adrenal support, detoxification, diet, and lifestyle changes to help you take control of your health and reclaim your energy. Join Dr. Wentz for solo episodes packed with practical strategies and insightful discussions from her own research and observations. Whether you're navigating Hashimoto’s, hypothyroidism, perimenopause, IBS, struggling with mystery symptoms, metabolism, or looking for holistic ways to optimize your well-being, these conversations will empower you with knowledge and actionable steps.Subscribe now to start your healing journey and discover the tools to thrive.
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Aug 25, 2025 • 44min
56: The Thyroid, MTHFR, Gallstone, and Fatty Liver Connection With Lisa Winbourn
What do MTHFR, thyroid disease, gallbladder removal, and fatty liver all have in common?
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews nutritionist and methylation expert Lisa Windbourn, who specializes in helping women with MTHFR gene variations, liver dysfunction, and no gallbladder, feel better using methylation-focused nutrition.
They explore the impact of sluggish methylation on thyroid health, detoxification, and bile flow, and how to support your body naturally even if you have complex symptoms. Lisa breaks down the role of folate (vitamin B9), how to safely choose B vitamins, and food-based strategies to help you feel energized, clear, and on the path to optimal wellness.
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What the MTHFR gene variation really means, and why it’s not a mutation: Lisa explains how this common genetic difference affects folate activation and detoxification. You’ll learn why this variation doesn’t guarantee symptoms and how stress, toxins, and lifestyle choices determine whether symptoms appear.
How MTHFR relates to thyroid, liver, and gallbladder issues: This single enzyme plays a key role in hormone clearance, bile flow, and nutrient absorption. Sluggish methylation can increase the risk for Hashimoto’s, fatty liver, and digestive challenges, even in people following a clean diet.
Why folic acid may be making things worse: Folic acid, the synthetic version of vitamin B9 found in many processed foods and supplements, can interfere with detox and methylation in people with MTHFR. Lisa shares how to spot it on labels and how to choose more effective forms like folate, methylfolate, or folinic acid.
How to personalize your supplement approach: Not everyone does well with high-dose methylfolate. Lisa explains how your mood tendencies, such as anxiety or low energy, can guide your choices. You’ll also learn about gentler options like riboflavin, glycine, and TMG.
How to support detox naturally, even without a gallbladder: Lisa offers practical tools, including salt flushes, breathwork, food-based nutrients, and bile support. These simple habits can help reduce inflammation, improve energy, and restore digestive function without intense protocols.
Why balance is better than perfection: From enjoying dessert to skipping extreme wellness trends, Lisa and Izabella talk about real-life healing. They remind us that joy, flexibility, and self-awareness are just as important as supplements and lab tests.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 22, 2025 • 1h 1min
55: The Overlooked Link Between the Liver, Gallbladder, and Thyroid Symptoms With Divya Gupta
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews holistic nutritionist Divya Gupta about a rarely discussed but deeply important topic in thyroid health: the liver and gallbladder connection. Divya shares her own story of gallbladder removal and Hashimoto’s diagnosis, and how it transformed her career and healing philosophy. Together, they explore how impaired bile flow, liver overload, and fat malabsorption can all disrupt thyroid function, and what you can do to support your body, especially if your gallbladder has been removed.
Tune in to learn how practical tools like bitters, beets, ox bile, TUDCA, functional lab testing, and strategic food swaps can be game-changers when it comes to supporting your gallbladder, thyroid, and overall wellness.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Why gallbladder issues can be a hidden trigger for thyroid symptoms: Even subtle signs like shoulder pain, sticky stools, or poor fat digestion may indicate early gallbladder dysfunction, and it’s more common than you think in those with Hashimoto’s.
How bile production supports your thyroid at every level: Bile isn’t just for digesting fats, it helps clear toxins, absorb fat-soluble vitamins, and even plays a role in T4 to T3 conversion and gut health. Impaired bile flow can sabotage thyroid function silently.
What happens after gallbladder removal and how to thrive without one: Divya shares her firsthand experience and offers practical strategies to support digestion and hormone health, even after surgery – including the use of ox bile, bitters, TUDCA, and targeted nutrients.
The thyroid-liver connection that often gets missed: The liver helps activate thyroid hormone and regulate cholesterol. Yet many people with "normal labs" still benefit from liver support, especially when fatigue, brain fog, or inflammation linger.
Why high cholesterol isn’t always the enemy, but can be a clue: Rather than jumping to statins, Divya explores what elevated cholesterol can reveal about thyroid dysfunction, sluggish bile flow, estrogen metabolism, and more.
Everyday strategies to support your gallbladder and feel better: From lemon water and dandelion tea to gentle liver detox, bitters, and beet recipes, this episode is packed with tools to boost bile flow, improve nutrient absorption, and support thyroid healing from the ground up.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 18, 2025 • 1h 15min
54: Thriving Through the Perimenopause Hormone Rollercoaster with Dr. Jen Pfleghaar
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews Dr. Jenny Pfleghaar, double board-certified physician and author of the upcoming book, The Perimenopause Reset, about how to thrive through the hormone rollercoaster of perimenopause. (She has Hashimoto’s too!)
Perimenopause symptoms can feel overwhelming and confusing, and we’re finally lifting the curtain. We share practical insights and cutting-edge solutions, including how progesterone, cycle syncing, and peptides can help you rebalance hormones, support detox pathways, and navigate this life stage with more ease and joy.
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Why perimenopause feels unpredictable and what’s actually happening hormonally. It’s not just a slow decline in estrogen. Dr. Jen explains that during perimenopause, estrogen can spike and crash wildly, while progesterone steadily drops. This hormonal mismatch is why symptoms like mood swings, anxiety, and irregular cycles can appear seemingly out of nowhere and why the traditional “wait and see” approach doesn’t work.
The overlooked role of cortisol, and why stress hits harder now. As progesterone levels drop, its natural calming effect on the nervous system fades. Dr. Jen highlights how women in perimenopause become more sensitive to stress, and how cortisol spikes can drive insomnia, anxiety, and fatigue. She emphasizes daily tools like HRV monitoring, breathwork, and parasympathetic support to calm the system and rebalance hormones.
Blood sugar swings aren’t just about food; they’re a hormone issue. Perimenopause shifts metabolic function, increasing insulin resistance even in healthy women. Dr. Jen connects the dots between blood sugar instability and symptoms like belly weight, brain fog, and energy crashes, and shares why protein-forward meals and strength training are non-negotiable for midlife women.
Sleep isn’t just rest, it’s hormonal therapy. Poor sleep amplifies cortisol, disrupts blood sugar, and worsens estrogen/progesterone balance. Dr. Jen underscores how addressing the cause of poor sleep, like stress, late-night eating, or alcohol, can unlock profound hormonal improvements without starting with medications.
Progesterone might be the missing piece for mood, sleep, and calm. As levels drop in perimenopause, many women experience anxiety, restlessness, and disrupted sleep. Dr. Jen explains why bioidentical progesterone, particularly in oral form, can be a safe, effective way to restore balance and help women feel like themselves again.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 15, 2025 • 13min
53: Magnesium Myths: The Best (and Worst) Types for Hashimoto’s | Dr. Izabella Wentz
Magnesium can be a game-changer for people with Hashimoto’s and hypothyroidism, but only if you’re using the right form for your body.
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations podcast, Dr. Izabella Wentz shares her experience with magnesium deficiency, how to spot it even when labs are normal, and why forms like magnesium glycinate can make symptoms worse in some people. She explains how magnesium connects to thyroid health, and why magnesium citrate and Epsom salt baths are often the best choices for those with autoimmune thyroid conditions.
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Why more supplements aren’t always better: A client of Dr. Wentz was taking 12 different supplements but continued to struggle with anxiety, insomnia, and migraines. Once her magnesium deficiency was addressed with the right form of magnesium, nearly all of her symptoms resolved (and she stopped the other 12 supplements). This shows how one targeted intervention can be more effective than a whole shelf of supplements.
How to spot magnesium deficiency even when your labs look normal: Muscle cramps, constipation, sensitivity to noise, and menstrual pain are just a few of the common signs that often go unnoticed. Since conventional testing may not catch low magnesium levels, Dr. Wentz shares a more symptom-based approach.
The connection between magnesium and thyroid function: People with Hashimoto’s are more likely to be low in magnesium. This nutrient has been linked to higher thyroid antibodies and an increased risk of hypothyroidism. It also supports mood, energy, digestion, and overall immune health.
Why magnesium citrate can be a helpful tool for thyroid-related symptoms: This form is often best for those dealing with constipation, anxiety, and cramps. Dr. Wentz also shares clinical findings showing that magnesium citrate may help normalize thyroid appearance on ultrasound.
Why magnesium glycinate isn’t the right fit for everyone: Even though it’s popular, this form can trigger anxiety, joint pain, or panic in some individuals, Dr. Wentz explains who may need to avoid it and what to try instead.
How Epsom salt can improve magnesium levels without taking a supplement: This topical option bypasses digestion and can quickly relieve joint pain, headaches, and stress. Dr. Wentz shares how to use it.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
52: Hormones Uncensored – With America's Holistic Gynecologist Dr. Shawn Tassone
In this episode of the Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations podcast, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews Dr. Shawn Tassone, America's Holistic Gynecologist and author of The Hormone Balance Bible. Together, they explore how archetypes like The Mother, The Nun, and The Underdog can help women understand hormonal imbalances in a more personal and empowering way.
They also dive into testosterone therapy for women, the myths surrounding hormone replacement, the limitations of conventional birth control, and Dr. Tassone’s SHINES protocol, a holistic roadmap to hormone balance.
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Dr. Tassone created hormonal archetypes to make hormone healing easier to relate to. Instead of just reading lab results, women can see their patterns reflected in archetypes like the Mother, the Underdog, and the Nun, and learn how their imbalances can affect their emotions.
The three most common hormone issues Dr. Tassone sees are low testosterone, estrogen deficiency, and subclinical hypothyroidism. These imbalances often show up as fatigue, low libido, mood swings, or weight gain. Many women are told their labs look fine, but a closer look reveals the real story.
Testosterone is not just a “male hormone.” In fact, it’s the most abundant hormone in a woman’s body. Dr. Tassone explains that women can still have symptoms like brain fog and lack of motivation when their levels are at the low end of “normal.” Just nudging them to the right level can bring a huge shift in energy and drive.
Many women still worry that hormone therapy causes cancer, but that fear is based on outdated data. Dr. Tassone breaks down how the original study that sparked this concern used synthetic hormones, and newer research shows that bioidentical estrogen may actually improve longevity and reduce disease risk.
Birth control pills are often used to mask hormonal symptoms rather than resolve them. Dr. Tassone sees young women with low libido, mood changes, or fatigue caused by the very medication meant to help. He encourages a deeper look at root causes, especially when birth control is being used for anything other than contraception.
Dr. Tassone’s SHINES protocol goes beyond medication. By including elements like spirituality, nutrient support, movement, and even energetic therapies, it gives women multiple paths to feel better.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 8, 2025 • 1h 4min
51: Is it ADHD, Thyroid Dysfunction, or Both? A Comprehensive Approach to Healing With Dr. Lauren Noel
In Episode 51 of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations podcast, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews Dr. Lauren Noel, founder of Shine Natural Medicine, to explore the surprising overlap between ADHD and thyroid dysfunction. Together, they unpack how symptoms like brain fog, anxiety, fatigue, and mood swings often stem from deeper imbalances in the gut, immune system, nervous system, and environment.
Dr. Noel shares her functional medicine framework for uncovering the root causes behind ADHD and thyroid symptoms, from childhood trauma and gut dysbiosis to heavy metals, mold, and hormone imbalances. This episode is packed with clinical pearls and real-world healing stories that will inspire anyone who’s been told “it’s just in your head.”
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Thyroid dysfunction and ADHD share many symptoms, and may even be connected. Low thyroid function can mimic or worsen ADHD symptoms like brain fog, mood swings, and anxiety. Dr. Noel explains how even suboptimal thyroid labs can significantly affect cognition and emotional regulation. For many women, optimizing thyroid health leads to improvements in focus, motivation, and energy.
Childhood trauma and stress can lay the foundation for chronic health issues later in life. Emotional trauma and chronic stress can show up as brain fog, digestive issues, and mood instability decades later. Dr. Noel explains how early emotional wounds dysregulate the nervous system – and why therapies like EMDR and neurofeedback are crucial to true healing, not just symptom relief.
The gut-brain connection plays a key role in both ADHD and thyroid dysfunction. Chronic digestive issues, food sensitivities, and gut infections like H. pylori and SIBO can contribute to systemic inflammation that impacts the brain and thyroid. Dr. Noel walks through the testing she uses to identify gut imbalances and the protocols that support both digestive and mental wellness.
Heavy metals, mold, and environmental toxins are common in both thyroid and ADHD clients. Dr. Noel often sees exposure to mercury, lead, mold, and chemical sensitivities as hidden drivers behind fatigue, neurological symptoms, and thyroid resistance. She shares her process for identifying these toxic burdens and outlines how to detox safely through drainage and liver support.
Standard ADHD treatments often miss the mark for women. Stimulant medications might provide temporary focus, but they don’t resolve the deeper imbalances, and may even worsen anxiety or sleep issues. Dr. Noel discusses natural support strategies like amino acids, adaptogens, blood sugar balancing, and targeted nootropics to support long-term brain health.
A personalized approach can make all the difference. There’s no one-size-fits-all protocol for ADHD or thyroid issues. Dr. Noel emphasizes the power of testing (not guessing), building trust with your body, and making sustainable lifestyle changes such as eating for blood sugar balance, reducing histamine, and healing the limbic system, to support mood, memory, and metabolism.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Aug 4, 2025 • 1h 13min
50: Common Pitfalls of Thyroid-Friendly Eating and How to Avoid Them | Ginny Mahar the Hypothyroid Chef
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews Ginny Mahar, also known as the Hypothyroid Chef, about the most common pitfalls people face when trying to follow a thyroid-friendly diet – and how to avoid them.
Ginny shares her personal healing story and the foundational food and lifestyle principles that helped her turn her health around. Listeners will learn how to identify their own food sensitivities, overcome perfectionism and overwhelm, and adopt simple, sustainable habits that support thyroid healing… without the stress and burnout. The episode also touches on the importance of mindset, community, and looking beyond food to help you thrive and embrace a holistic approach to healing.
Tune in to learn more about making your thyroid-friendly lifestyle joyful and practical!
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Why identifying your own food triggers is not only essential, but empowering. While common culprits like gluten, dairy, soy, grains, and nightshades can drive inflammation, Ginny emphasizes the importance of personal experimentation to uncover what truly works for your body – and what doesn’t. Using flexible frameworks like Paleo or AIP as a starting point, she encourages a “detective” mindset to find your ideal food roadmap.
The perfectionism trap: why “all or nothing” can stall your healing. Many thyroid patients feel they must follow their diet flawlessly to succeed. But the stress of trying to “get it perfect” can backfire. Ginny shares how defining your non-negotiables (like gluten) while allowing for personal “wiggle room” can relieve pressure and make healing more sustainable.
How to cut through the online noise. Carnivore, keto, oxalates, AIP… with so much conflicting advice, it’s easy to get overwhelmed. Ginny shares how to tune out confusion, identify thyroid-savvy experts, and reconnect with what your body needs – not what’s trending. She encourages simplifying your inputs, trusting your intuition, and staying grounded in what actually works for you.
Start simple and make healing sustainable. Instead of chasing complex protocols or recipes with 20 ingredients, Ginny recommends focusing on nutrient-dense staples like organic produce, clean proteins, and healthy fats. Her strategy: build a weekly foundation with batch-prepped basics like roasted veggies, shredded protein, and a go-to sauce for fast, nourishing meals.
The power of mindset and community. Reframing your journey from deprivation to empowerment – focusing on what you can eat, celebrating small wins, and leaning on a supportive community – can radically shift your relationship with food, healing, and yourself. Ginny walks through mindset tools like “tiny celebrations” and the joy of finding thyroid-safe foods you love, plus the importance of not doing it alone.
Why lifestyle habits matter as much as food. Thyroid healing isn’t just about what’s on your plate. Ginny explains the eight foundational rituals – from sleep and self-care to stress reduction and gut repair – that build energy, calm the immune system, and support long-term wellness. Her “8 Daily Rituals” framework offers a doable, whole-life approach to healing, one habit at a time.
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Aug 1, 2025 • 1h 15min
49: Hormones, Toxins, and Breast Health: Breaking the Myths and Building Solutions with Dr. Jenn Simmons
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews Dr. Jenn Simmons, a breast cancer surgeon turned functional medicine leader. After overcoming her own health crisis, Dr. Jen now works to revolutionize how breast cancer is diagnosed, treated, and prevented.
They discuss why mammograms aren’t saving lives, how modern imaging tools like QT ultrasounds offer a safer option, and why root causes like gut health, toxins, and dental infections must be addressed for true prevention. You’ll also hear practical steps every woman can take to build breast health and resilience, starting today.
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Why the “tumor is the problem” mindset misses the mark. In conventional medicine, breast cancer is treated by attacking the tumor, but Dr. Jen explains why the tumor is actually a symptom of deeper imbalances that must be addressed for true healing. She now uses functional medicine to identify what’s fueling the tumor in the first place, from immune dysfunction to hormone disruption.
The surprising risk factors that aren’t discussed enough. Gut health, constipation, mold exposure, mercury amalgams, and hidden oral infections like root canals and cavitations can all create an environment that fuels breast cancer… yet they’re often overlooked. Dr. Jenn walks through how to test for each and why addressing them is critical to changing your internal terrain.
Why conventional breast cancer screening isn’t saving lives. Decades of data show that mammograms aren’t reducing breast cancer deaths or saving breasts – and may even lead to overtreatment and harm. Dr. Jen breaks down the statistics and explains why self-awareness, targeted testing like the AURIA tears test, and safer imaging options offer a better path forward.
The breast-friendly screening technology you need to know about. Learn about QT ultrasound, a breakthrough imaging tool that offers safe, painless, radiation-free breast screening – and how it compares to mammograms and MRI. Dr. Jenn has opened centers offering this advanced scan, and shares how it’s changing the way women approach screening with less fear and more clarity.
How Dr. Jenn rebuilt her health after hitting rock bottom. From nearly dying during her own healing journey to emerging with a new understanding of breast cancer prevention, Dr. Jenn shares the most important lessons she learned along the way, and how you can apply them too.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Jul 28, 2025 • 1h 4min
48: Menopause is Mandatory, Suffering is Optional: Thriving in Your Second Spring with Dr. Anna Cabeca
In this episode of Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations, Dr. Izabella Wentz speaks with hormone expert and bestselling author Dr. Anna Cabeca about how to thrive during perimenopause and menopause. Dr. Anna, also known as The Girlfriend Doctor, shares her story of reversing early menopause and infertility, and explains how women can reclaim their energy, libido, and joy in midlife and beyond.
Together, they explore simple and effective strategies for balancing hormones naturally, including keto-alkaline eating, urine pH testing, topical DHEA, and the underestimated power of oxytocin. This episode is filled with actionable insights to help women transition into their “second spring” with confidence, vitality, and pleasure.
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Menopause is natural, but suffering doesn’t have to be part of it. Many women are told to brace for hot flashes, mood swings, and weight gain as inevitable. Dr. Anna explains why menopause is a transition, not a disease, and how targeted support for hormones, inflammation, and adrenal health can help you thrive in your “second spring.”
The Keto-Green method balances metabolism and mood, especially during perimenopause. Traditional keto diets can worsen symptoms for some women due to increased acidity and stress. Dr. Anna’s approach combines a modified keto approach with alkalinizing foods, intermittent fasting, and hormone-friendly nutrients to support brain health, insulin sensitivity, and energy without the typical keto crash.
Your urine pH and ketones tell the real story. Instead of guessing how your body is responding, Dr. Anna recommends simple at-home urine testing for pH and ketones. These biomarkers reveal how food, stress, sleep, and even emotions affect your physiology, and guide personalized adjustments for hormone and metabolic balance.
Oxytocin is a missing piece in the hormone conversation. Often overlooked, this “connection hormone” helps regulate cortisol, improve mood, and restore vitality. Dr. Anna highlights how pleasure, laughter, and even playing with pets can naturally raise oxytocin, shifting the body out of burnout and into healing.
Topical DHEA for v@ginal rejuvenation can be a game changer From discomfort and dryness to incontinence and low libido, vaginal atrophy can erode quality of life. Dr. Anna explains how products like JULVA®, along with DHEA and pelvic floor support, can restore comfort, sensation, and confidence, at any age.
Yes, you can reverse premature ovarian failure. Dr Anna’s story proves it. After being told she was infertile and in early menopause, she reversed her symptoms, conceived naturally at 41, and now helps other women do the same.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/

Jul 25, 2025 • 58min
47: Healing Depression Project: A New Model for Treating Depression with Silvia Covelli & Achina Stein
In this episode of the Thyroid Pharmacist Healing Conversations podcast, Dr. Izabella Wentz interviews integrative psychiatrist Dr. Achina Stein and patient advocate Silvia Covelli, co-founders of the Healing Depression Project, to explore a revolutionary new approach to treating depression. They reveal how depression often stems from underlying root causes like gut dysfunction, inflammation, trauma, and nutrient deficiencies. Listeners will gain valuable insights into why the conventional model falls short and how addressing biology and lifestyle can lead to real emotional transformation.
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Conventional psychiatry often misses root causesDepression is typically treated with a diagnosis and a prescription — often skipping deeper evaluation. Labs like B12, iron, vitamin D, and thyroid markers are rarely run, even though deficiencies can cause depression-like symptoms. Dr. Stein notes, “We used to do this routinely. Now it's fallen off the radar.”
Inflammation is the true root — not a chemical imbalanceNeurotransmitter imbalances are a downstream effect of chronic inflammation. Dr. Stein emphasizes the need to investigate inflammatory triggers like poor gut health, nutrient deficiencies, mold toxicity, and hormonal imbalances — especially during perimenopause and postpartum.
Mold toxicity is a hidden and devastating triggerOver half of the Healing Depression Project participants had elevated mold toxins — often without visible mold in their environment. Symptoms ranged from depression and anxiety to fatigue and skin rashes. Mold exposure requires immediate detox support, often with binders, before any other treatment can succeed.
Therapeutic ketogenic diet led to remission in 50% of participantsIn just 26 days, half of the program’s participants — who had treatment-resistant depression for an average of 25 years — reached full remission using a gluten-free, dairy-free ketogenic diet paired with foundational lifestyle changes like sleep hygiene, movement, and meditation.
Psychodrama therapy offered powerful trauma releaseTen days of immersive group-based psychodrama provided the equivalent of 50+ hours of traditional therapy. Participants processed and rewrote core traumatic experiences, contributing significantly to emotional breakthroughs.
Sustainable recovery requires daily actionDepression healing isn’t passive — it requires intentional shifts in daily habits. Silvia Covelli emphasizes: “This isn’t a magic pill. It’s a system. But when you commit, it changes everything.”
Supportive nutrients and testing are essentialTools like betaine HCl, bile salts, selenium, zinc, and testing for hormone imbalances, mold toxins, and gut dysbiosis were critical in individualizing care. The team emphasizes personalization and ongoing support after the in-person retreat.
Tune in to learn more about how innovative approaches to depression can empower individuals on their journey to healing.
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For the full list of resources and products mentioned in this episode, and to get the full episode transcript, see complete show notes here: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/podcast/