

Future Law Podcast
Future Law Podcast
This podcast cuts through the noise surrounding the future of law. All over the world and across all sectors, expanding and accelerating technologies are changing our lives and even changing us. How can the law and the legal profession keep up with all the changes? Law professors Michael Madison (US) and Dan Hunter (Australia) take a global view of the law and technology ecosystem, talking to lawyers, entrepreneurs, educators, students, and thought leaders across for-profit, non-profit, and government sectors.
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Nov 1, 2021 • 33min
The Orrick Series: Talent, with Siobhan Handley and Bryan Parker
Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This first episode in The Orrick series features a talk about talent. How does Orrick think about and practice talent recruitment, retention, mentorship, and training in the contemporary marketplace?
Orrick's Chief Talent Officer Siobhan Handley and talent consultant Bryan Parker, CEO of Legal Innovators, join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Legal Innovators
Siobhan Handley at Orrick
Bryan Parker at Legal InnovatorsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 15, 2021 • 30min
Anusia Gillespie, NewLaw Advocate
Anusia Gillespie is a legal innovator, practicing and advancing NewLaw ideas. In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, she talks with host Michael Madison about what NewLaw means and how she moved from a "typical" US law degree to a NewLaw leadership role.
Anusia Gillespie at LinkedIn
Anusia Gillespie on Twitter
Anusia Gillespie on NewLaw at Legal EvolutionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 1, 2021 • 34min
Ivan Fong, Chief Legal Officer of the 3M Company
Ivan Fong brings more than three decades of experience with law and technology to his role as Chief Legal Officer of the 3M Company, in private law practice, in-house roles, and government service. Host Mike Madison catches up with Ivan for a look back and look forward at what it takes to succeed in the legal profession when you're facing an uncertain environment.
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Biography: Ivan K. FongSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 15, 2021 • 32min
Krista Contino Saumby, on Building Bridges for New Lawyers
The future of law is, in a word, people. But are the people ready? Are new lawyers being prepared effectively to transition from the worlds of their formal education and training to the dynamic and different worlds of the 21st century legal workplace? Host Mike Madison talks with lawyer and legal entrepreneur Krista Contino Saumby, founder of a new consultancy that targets that transition space: The Law Bridge,
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The Law Bridge
Krista Contino Saumby (LinkedIn)
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Sep 1, 2021 • 34min
Dierk Schindler and Bernhard Waltl, the Liquid Legal Institute and a Common Legal Platform
The Liquid Legal Institute is a Germany-based think tank and platform for action that aims to develop common standards for law practice and legal services using cutting-edge technology. In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with LLI co-founders Dierk Schindler and Bernhard Waltl about their vision for the LLI, and what the LLI is doing today.
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Liquid Legal Institute
Dierk Schindler at LinkedIn
Bernhard Waltl at LinkedIn
Book: Liquid Legal: Transforming Legal into a Business Savvy, Information Enabled and Performance Driven Industry
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Aug 15, 2021 • 35min
Ian Rodwell, Linklaters, on How Lawyers and Clients Learn
"What's the future of knowledge?" comes to ground for law and lawyers in this wide-ranging podcast interview featuring Ian Rodwell, Head of Client Knowledge and Learning at Linklaters, the global London-based law firm. Host Mike Madison and Ian touch on information science, Brian Eno, and football (the original kind) as they explore what's on tap for the future of practice.
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Ian Rodwell, at Linklaters
Knowledge and learning at LinklatersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 1, 2021 • 36min
Justice Deno Himonas and John Lund, on the Utah Regulatory Sandbox
The "regulatory sandbox" in Utah is a leading example of innovation to promote innovation - and justice. On this episode of The Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with two of the key leaders of the Utah legal community, state Supreme Court Justice Deno Himonas and former Utah bar president John Lund, about how the sandbox came about and what it promises to do.
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The Office of Legal Services Innovation of the Utah Supreme Court
Justice Constandinos ("Deno") Himonas
John Lund, at Parsons, Behle & LatimerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 15, 2021 • 37min
Jordan Furlong, on Future Law, Re-regulation, Access to Justice, and the Rule of Law
Jordan Furlong brings an unusual sharp and critical eye to conversations about the future of law, as a consultant, author, and former lawyer. He pulled no punches in this wide-ranging conversation with host Michael Madison, covering lawyer licensing, legal literacy, the rule of law, and the fundamental values that characterize the best of the legal profession, from ancient times to the present.
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Law21, Jordan Furlong's consultancy
The Law21 blog
Jordan Furlong on Twitter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 1, 2021 • 35min
Michael Sears, on Leadership Innovation in the Military, Silicon Valley, and Law
Michael Sears spent three decades as an investor and CEO in Silicon Valley after a first career as an officer in the Marine Corps, followed by law and business degrees. Now he is back at the United States Naval Academy, leading a leadership innovation lab as part of the Academy's continuing requirement that all midshipmen advance through a curriculum in leadership, ethics, and law. His distinctive background offers fertile ground for reflection in this episode, on cross-pollination among cultures and practices of tech innovation, military service, and the legal profession.
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Michael Sears at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership
The Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership
The Boeing Leadership Innovation Laboratory
Interactive Leadership Simulations
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Jun 15, 2021 • 37min
Vikram Mansharamani, Trend Spotter
Future law means understanding worlds beyond law. Lawyers spend a lot of time talking to other lawyers. This episode features a fascinating conversation with Vikram Mansharamani, a consultant, author, and importantly, not a lawyer, about macro trends in the economy and society that will inevitably come to affect legal professionals and legal systems.
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Vikram Mansharamani, Think for Yourself: Restoring Common Sense in an Age of Experts and Artificial Intelligence (Harvard Business Review Press, 2020)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.