

Future Law Podcast
Future Law Podcast
This podcast cuts through the noise surrounding the future of law. All over the world and across all sectors, expanding and accelerating technologies are changing our lives and even changing us. How can the law and the legal profession keep up with all the changes? Law professors Michael Madison (US) and Dan Hunter (Australia) take a global view of the law and technology ecosystem, talking to lawyers, entrepreneurs, educators, students, and thought leaders across for-profit, non-profit, and government sectors.
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Dec 15, 2021 • 37min
Dean Patty Roberts, St. Mary's University, on Online Legal Education
When will shifts to remote working bring changes to legal education as well? St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio, Texas recently received American Bar Association (ABA) approval to host a cohort of its JD students in a fully online environment. Even before the arrival of the COVID pandemic in early 2020, other US law schools had moved bits and pieces of their programs online. St. Mary's is the first school to receive accreditation for online delivery of a complete JD.
In this episode of The Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with Patty Roberts, Dean of St. Mary's Law, about that school's plans and about how she and her colleagues navigated their proposal through design and accreditation processes.
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Dean Patricia Roberts at St. Mary's University
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Dec 13, 2021 • 32min
The SAL TechLaw.Fest 2021 Series: Ashlie Beringer on Rethinking Client Services in Tech Law
TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology. This third episode in the series dives into law and technology at the heart of the technology industry, with a conversation about contemporary law practice in Silicon Valley. How are the needs and interests of the tech industry - and the needs and interests of everyone else - affecting the present and future of law practice? Host Michael Madison talks with Ashlie Beringer, partner in the Palo Alto office of global law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, as she reflects on how she keeps pace with the complexity of law in the age of technology.
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TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Ashlie Beringer at Gibson, Dunn
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Dec 6, 2021 • 35min
The SAL TechLaw.Fest 2021 Series: Ken Hwee Tan and Bridget McCormack on Will Robots Replace Judges?
TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology.
This second episode in the series features a conversation about judging and the role of automation and artificial intelligence (AI) in courts. Will robots replace judges? Hear from two senior lawyers with very different backgrounds: Ken Hwee Tan, Chief Transformation and Innovation Officer for the Singapore Judiciary, and Bridget Mary McCormack, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Michigan. They were interviewed by Future Law Podcast host Michael Madison, of the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
Can they find common ground?
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TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Ken Hwee Tan
Chief Justice McCormak’s official biography
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Dec 1, 2021 • 34min
Ellen McGinnis, Haynes & Boone, on Diversity and Inclusion in Managing Legal Talent
The future of law brings urgency to long-standing questions about diversity and inclusion in the legal profession. This episode looks that those questions at ground level, in a complex business law firm. It features an interview with Ellen McGinnis, a senior partner at the Haynes & Boone, a global firm with its roots in Texas.
Ellen works in financial markets as co-chair of the firm's Fund Finance Practice Group. She has been a leader in the firm and beyond on questions of diversity and inclusion.
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Ellen McGinnis at Haynes & Boone
Article: "Changing Hallway Behavior: How to Interrupt Implicit Bias," by Ellen McGinnis and Jennifer Reddien
Ellen McGinnis is also co-founder of YaleWomen, an organization for and by graduates of Yale University that is committed to advancing women's voices in the world.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 29, 2021 • 41min
The SAL TechLaw.Fest 2021 Series: Joyce A. Tan on Innovating in Tech Law
TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology.
This episode features a conversation with Joyce A. Tan, a leading Singapore-based technology law, on innovation and technology and the challenges of staying one step ahead of the legal curve - or more. She is interviewed by Future Law Podcast host Michael Madison, of the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
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TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Joyce A. Tan and Partners See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 22, 2021 • 38min
The Orrick Series: ALSPs, with Daryl Shetterly, Liam Brown, and Basha Rubin
Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This fourth episode in The Orrick series features a talk about Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs) and related law and legal industry providers. Are they law firm competitors? Clients? Partners? What are the big picture drivers and the functioning nuts and bolts of the legal services ecology?
Daryl Shetterly, Director of Orrick Analytics; Liam Brown, CEO of Elevate Services; and Basha Rubin, CEO of Priori Legal join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Elevate Services
Priori Legal
Daryl Shetterly at Orrick
Liam Brown, CEO of Elevate Services
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Nov 17, 2021 • 33min
Michigan Supreme Court Chief Justice Bridget McCormack
Bridget Mary McCormack, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Michigan, has been aggressively pursuing court reform in that state's courts. But "court reform" doesn't begin to describe the scope, ambition, and impact of what Michigan has been able to accomplish. Nor does the phrase "access to justice." Listen to Chief Justice McCormack's provocative tour of the future of law, in conversation with Mike Madison
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Chief Justice McCormack's official biography
Her Twitter accountSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 15, 2021 • 34min
The Orrick Series: Global Operations, with Kelly Cullen and Will Turani
Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This third episode in The Orrick series features a talk about global operations and specifically about Orrick's Global Operations and Innovation Center (GOIC), its facility in Wheeling, West Virginia. How has the GOIC evolved over time, and what roles do the GOIC and the GOIC play in Orrick's practice today?
The Director of Orrick's GOIC, Kelly Cullen, and the firm's Director of Firmwide Office Administration Will Turani join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Kelly Cullen at Orrick
Will Turani at OrrickSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 8, 2021 • 35min
The Orrick Series: Innovation, with Wendy Butler Curtis and Kate Orr
Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This second episode in The Orrick series features a talk about innovation. What does innovation mean in a contemporary Big Law firm? How does the firm practice and prioritize innovation in the day to day?
Orrick's Chief Innovation Officer Wendy Butler Curtis and Senior Innovation Counsel Kate Orr join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Wendy Butler Curtis at Orrick
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Nov 1, 2021 • 32min
Alex Hamilton, CEO of Radiant Law
Alex Hamilton, founder and CEO of Radiant Law, left a Big Law partnership behind 10 years ago to start an organization that offers a different way to deliver commercial contracting services to clients. He hasn't looked back. In this episode of The Future Law Podcast, he sits down with host Michael Madison for a frank assessment of the Radiant Law story so far and what lies ahead.
Alex Hamilton at Radiant Law
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Book: "Sign Here: The Enterprise Guide to Closing Contracts Quickly"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.