

The Veterinary Project Podcast
The Veterinary Project Podcast
A show made by vets, featuring absolutely no pets!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
Episodes
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Sep 29, 2021 • 48min
The Doctors of Discipline are in the Building!
How do you look at discipline?
In this episode, co-hosts Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht become Doctors of Discipline, sharing their insights on the principle of discipline and how to use it to achieve results in your life.
It's certainly not easy, and there are plenty of struggles associated with discipline, but as our hosts share, adopting it as a part of who you are is key to long-term success both personally and professionally.
Topics covered in this episode include:
What discipline means to Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht
Discipline versus willpower: what's the difference?
Vision and knowing your direction supports discipline
Optimizing AND minimizing your environment
Willpower is a finite resource
"It's the daily disciplines that keep things going"
Why (and how) discipline can increase your capacity
How making one higher level decision can eliminate downstream decisions that erode willpower
Using structure to support discipline
"The 5 Second Rule"
Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht's daily discipline exercises
With this highly tactical conversation, you’ll come away with a new appreciation of the role discipline plays in getting what you want out of life, as well as some tried and true methods you can apply to improve your level of discipline.
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Sep 22, 2021 • 22min
How to Make Better Decisions
How can we become better decision makers?
In this week's episode, Co-Hosts Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht discuss the skill of decision making. Both personally and professionally, we are required to make decisions in all sorts of situations. This tactical conversation amongst our co-hosts covers:
Is decision making a learned skill or something you're born with?
What is decision fatigue and what are the symptoms of it?
Combatting decision fatigue
How to handle indecision
Delegating decisions
Dr. Bugg's "scalpel blade analogy" for decision making
Additional resources to for improving your decision making skills
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Sep 15, 2021 • 24min
Dr. Meredith Jones on Paying Off Over $100k in Student Loan Debt in 3.5 Years and the Upcoming Veterinary Financial Summit
Dr. Meredith Jones is an emergency veterinarian and co-founder of the Veterinary Financial Summit, a financial conference and online community for veterinary professionals.
She is a self-professed “money nerd” who attends financial conferences and reads about personal finance in her spare time. In 2016, she completed training to become a financial coach and founded the Debt-Free Vets Facebook group. In addition to her role as an ER vet, she is a Financial Mentor at Veterinary Emergency Group (VEG).
In our conversation with Meredith we discuss:
Why Meredith got interested in personal finance
How she was able to pay off over $100k in student loan debt in 3.5 years
Who the Veterinary Financial Summit is for
Why should veterinarians attend the Veterinary Financial Summit and what will attendees leave with
Meredith's personal finance book favorites
SPECIAL OFFER FOR LISTENERS OF THE VETERINARY PROJECT PODCAST!
Thanks to Meredith and her Co-Founder Phil (guest on Episode 054), listeners of The Veterinary Project Podcast will receive 25% off tickets to The Veterinary Financial Summit, taking place virtually this September 18-19, 2021!
Use our exclusive promo code and get 25% off!
Promo Code: VFSTVP
www.eventbrite.com/e/151887805515/?discount=VFSTVP
The summit is also approved for up to 14 hours of RACE approved CE credit.
For more information on the Veterinary Financial Summit visit:
http://vetfinancialsummit.com/
Thank you to Dr. Meredith Jones for joining us on the show!
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Sep 8, 2021 • 58min
Veterinary Medicine on the Move with Traveling Board-Certified Surgeon Dr. Phil Zeltzman
Dr. Phil Zeltzman is a traveling board-certified surgeon in Pennsylvania.
He is a serial entrepreneur with a severe case of Shiny Object Syndrome, international speaker, consultant, columnist, blogger, podcaster and a ridiculously long list of other fun stuff.
He is the co-founder of the Vet Financial Summit, which is an online community and financial conference that is coming up on September 18-19, 2021.
In this wide-ranging conversation with the ever-interesting Dr. Zeltzman, we cover:
Blog writing and sharing stories
What exactly is a traveling surgeon?
How veterinarians can establish freedom by moving to a mobile work lifestyle
A typical day in the life of a traveling surgeon
Learning how to say no in transitioning from being on-call 24/7 to only doing surgeries from Monday-Wednesday
Coping with Shiny Object Syndrome (SOS) and how Phil identifies opportunities worth pursuing
How Chronos is solving the front-desk problems and overwhelm many clinics face
Dr. Zeltzman's reason for creating multiple streams of income . . . and it's not the reason you think!
The moment when Dr. Zeltzman realized the power of passive income
Phil's first passive income stream
What the Veterinary Financial Summit is and why people should attend
Phil's Impact Round!
SPECIAL OFFER FOR THE VETERINARY PROJECT PODCAST LISTENERS!
Thanks to Phil and his Co-Founder Meredith, listeners of The Veterinary Project Podcast will receive 25% off tickets to The Veterinary Financial Summit, taking place virtually this September 18-19, 2021!
Use our exclusive promo code and get 25% off!
Promo Code: VFSTVP
www.eventbrite.com/e/151887805515/?discount=VFSTVP
The summit is also approved for up to 14 hours of RACE approved CE credit.
For more information on the Veterinary Financial Summit visit:
http://vetfinancialsummit.com/
Thank you to Phil for joining us on the show. If you'd like to connect with Phil you can find him online at:
https://www.drphilzeltzman.com/
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Sep 1, 2021 • 27min
Dr. Michael Bugg's 7 Ball Hockey Lessons for Life!
This ISN'T an episode about ball hockey (sorry if you were hoping it was)!
Dr. Michael Bugg reflects on lessons he's learned over the course of a 10 year ball hockey career, which most recently returned a milestone moment with his team's winning the championship at the Canadian National Ball Hockey Tournament.
In this episode, Mike takes 7 lessons from the hockey rink and connects them to life in veterinary medicine.
Entertaining and educational, with insights from Dr. Leicht, we trust you'll enjoy this edition of the show!
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 25, 2021 • 48min
Dr. Ashley Bourgeois: The Derm Vet
Dr. Ashley Bourgeois is a board-certified veterinary dermatologist passionate about providing practical knowledge to general practitioners to help itchy pets!
She completed her bachelor’s degree at Iowa State University and graduated from the University of Missouri’s College of Veterinary Medicine in 2010. She then completed a one-year small animal internship at Purdue. Upon finishing her internship, she accepted a residency position with the Animal Dermatology Clinic’s Tustin, California location in 2011.
She became a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Dermatology in 2014, then moved to Portland, Oregon in 2016 to help expand the company. She is an owner within the company and on the board of directors, who has a strong interest in autoimmune skin diseases, allergies, cytology, and otology.
Dr. Bourgeois is passionate about educating veterinarians in dermatology and work/life integration through her podcast, lecturing, and social media presence (@thedermvet).
In our conversation we cover:
How Ashley got into veterinary dermatology
Private placements, academic residencies, and determining which makes the most sense for you
Becoming a shareholder and owner in a clinic, and how that's altered Ashley's perspective on the veterinary industry and how she sees her work
Determining what works for you professionally
The development of The Derm Vet (@thedermvet) on social media
Dealing with doubts and how successful people approach doubt
Being a "recovering perfectionist" and handling failure with authenticity
How to set expectations for clients when it comes to dermatology issues
Dr. Bourgeois's impact round!
Thank you to Dr. Ashley Bourgeois for joining us on the Podcast! If you enjoyed the show and want to learn more about dermatology, check out The Derm Vet online and on social media in the following places:
FB: @thedermvet
IG: @thedermvet
https://thedermvet.com/
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 18, 2021 • 22min
Top 5 Tips For Opening A Veterinary Clinic
Coming to you from the beautiful city of Calgary at Co-Host Dr. Jonathan Leicht's newly up-and-running Bridgeland Veterinary Clinic!
Recorded in fitting fashion from one of the Clinic's examination rooms, Jonathan and Michael chat face-to-face about Jonathan's top 5 tips - and lessons learned - for opening a new veterinary clinic.
They are as follows:
Location, location, location!
Build a plan for construction (you can't wing something like this)
Team - start with the end in the mind
Have a solid business plan that includes contingencies
Create quality relationships
In addition to his tips, Jonathan shares some things he would do differently in the future based on his experience building out Bridgeland.
Congratulations to Dr. Leicht and the entire team at Bridgeland on the opening of the new clinic!
If you'd like to find out more about Bridgeland Vet Clinic, head on over to https://bridgelandvet.com/ or check them out on instagram @bridgelandvet.
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 11, 2021 • 50min
Emotional Intelligence, Communication, and the Usage of RVTs in Veterinary Medicine with Becky Taylor
Becky Taylor has been dedicated to her career as a Registered Veterinary Technologist for over 25 years. In that time, she has worked in mixed animal practice, in education, and in corporate veterinary medicine. She has participated in hundreds of CE opportunities, sat on national and provincial boards and considers herself a lifelong learner.
A pinnacle of this learning was in 2016, when Becky completed a Master of Arts in Professional Communication through Royal Roads University. Her final project was authoring a paper on the role of RVT’s with clients and resulted in the creation of a communication model for RVT’s.
Becky currently has 3 professional roles. Her full-time gig is the Co-Founder of BS Communication Strategies, where she provides communication coaching to individuals, companies and teams in a practical, skills-based way. She is a Co-Founder in the tele-triage company, AnimalHealth Link and in addition to those roles, she contracts to and supports Mosaic Veterinary Partners in the management and building of their veterinary practice teams. These endeavours fuel her communication nerdiness and her entrepreneurial spirit.
In our wide-ranging conversation with Becky, we cover:
Progressing step-by-step to a fulfilling career
How to develop grit
Reframing failure as an opportunity to grow
Increasing your emotional vocabulary to handle challenging scenarios
Training emotional intelligence and self-empathy in veterinary professionals
Becky's take on the role, use, and mobilization of Registered Veterinary Technologists in veterinary medicine
How do veterinary professionals and clinics start making use of RVTs in their practice
The importance of conflict and developing proper, healthy team communication within clinics
Becky's Impact Round
Stay tuned with BS Communication Strategies to learn more about an exciting, 5 day program to Mobilize RVT’s and start solving problems together. Coming this November!
Many thanks to Becky for sharing her passion for communications with us on the show! You can connect with Becky in the following places:
https://www.bscommunication.ca/
IG: @2commnerds
2commnerds@gmail.com
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 4, 2021 • 34min
Generating Passive Income
Building off our previous episode on “The Cashflow Quadrant: How Do You Make Your Money?”, this week's episode covers the subject of generating passive income.
When making the transition from the left sides of the Cashflow Quadrant (Employed [E] and self-employed [SE]) to the right side (Business Owner [B] and Investor [I]), money can be earned "passively" if done right.
What does this really mean? It means that you start generating an income without trading your time . . . or at least not having to trade large chunks of your time!
Dr. Leicht and Dr. Bugg describe in detail their definition of passive income and the financial philosophies they have used to build wealth and generate passive income streams, with conversation topics including:
What is passive income?
Trading time for money vs. money for money
Discussing different personal finance perspectives, including using cash flow generating assets to pay down debt
Ways passive income can be used to improve the quality of your life
Types of passive income including stocks, REITs, real estate, private lending, and private business (private equity)
How to start building passive income streams
Did you enjoy this personal finance related show? Check out more related personal finance episodes including:
The Cashflow Quadrant: How Do You Make Your Money?
Financial Literacy - What You Need to Know About Debt
Personal Finance and Your Money Journey with Global Chief Medical Officer of Royal Canin: Dr. Brent Mayabb, DMV
Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 28, 2021 • 48min
The Mindful Veterinarian with Sarah Montgomery, Founder of Peace Within Mindfulness
Dr. Sarah Montgomery, Ph.D. is the Founder of Peace Within Mindfulness and is a leading advocate for and teacher of Mindfulness for veterinary medicine. Sarah is a Certified Mindfulness Educator who has practiced Mindfulness since 1999.
She is an Education professor with over 20 years of experience in K-12 and higher education, and has published peer-reviewed research and given national presentations on Mindfulness. She has a B.A. in Psychology from Kalamazoo College and a Ph.D. in Curriculum Studies from Indiana University.
Since founding Peace Within, Sarah has given face-to-face and online professional development workshops on Mindfulness for veterinary professionals. She is excited to be a part of the growing movement to support wellness in the veterinary community.
Our conversation with Dr. Montgomery includes:
What is mindfulness?
Entry points to mindfulness practices and finding what works for you
Why mindfulness in veterinary medicine?
How Sarah got into studying and practicing mindfulness
Where can busy veterinary professionals find time to fit in a mindfulness practice?
What the science is saying about the health benefits of mindfulness
Example mindfulness exercises
Encouragement for professionals having a hard time getting started
Sarah's Impact Round!
Thank you to Dr. Sarah Montgomery for joining us on the show!
If you'd like to find out more about Dr. Montgomery's RACE-Approved CE Course on Mindfulness for Veterinary Medicine, check out free and on-demand resources, or inquire about Mindfulness workshops, speaking and consultations facilitated by Sarah, please visit:
https://www.peacewithinmindfulness.com/
You can also connect with Dr. Montgomery through the following mediums:
Instagram: @peacewithinmindfulness
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/peacewithinmindfulness
E-mail: info@peacewithinmindfulness.com
Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM


