

The Veterinary Project Podcast
The Veterinary Project Podcast
A show made by vets, featuring absolutely no pets!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
Episodes
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Jul 26, 2021 • 31min
The Cashflow Quadrant: How Do You Make Your Money?
How do you make your money?
In this episode, hosts Dr. Jonathan Leicht and Dr. Michael Bugg break down Robert Kiyosaki's Cashflow Quadrant - a valuable model for seeing the four ways in which people earn money in the world.
Talking points of our conversation include:
Explaining the four Cashflow Quadrants: employee (E), self-employed (SE), business owner (B), and investor (I)
The pros and cons of each quadrant
Why there is no right or wrong quadrant
How veterinary professionals relate to the Cashflow Quadrant
Recognizing different quadrants require different activities to earn money
Can you identify which quadrant or quadrants you’re in?
Check out our new website online at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things veterinary project!
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 14, 2021 • 32min
Compassion does NOT Fatigue - Part 2 with Dr. Trisha Dowling
In Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Trisha Dowling, we dive into compassion and empathy within veterinary medicine including:
How compassion and empathy link to mindfulness
The difference between compassion and empathy
Why “compassion fatigue” is a misnomer, but empathy fatigue is real
Training compassion like a skill
Developing a personal mindfulness practice for yourself
Dr. Dowling’s impact round!
Thank you to Dr. Dowling for joining us on the show! If you'd like to get in touch with Trish directly you can find her through the WCVM website or directly by e-mail to:
Trisha.dowling@usask.ca
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 7, 2021 • 48min
"Why Paying Attention to My Toes Keeps Me from Becoming Depressed" with Dr. Trisha Dowling - Part 1
Trisha Dowling is a veterinarian and professor of veterinary clinical pharmacology at the Western College of Veterinary Medicine. She graduated from Texas A&M in 1987 followed by a large animal rotating internship at North Carolina State. This was followed by 2 years of practice in Ohio and North Carolina, the latter a great source of humorous teaching stories.
After a large animal medicine residency and Master’s at Auburn University, she became a board certified by the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine and the American College of Veterinary Clinical Pharmacology. In 1993, she came running away to Saskatoon for a short time, but met and married a local guy so has been here ever since. Given US politics, she’s glad that she did.
The WCVM mostly pays her to teach clinical pharmacology, but in 2010 she snuck the first mindfulness based stress reduction course in to a veterinary school curriculum for credit – all without mentioning the words “yoga” or “meditation”. She has received numerous teaching awards including the Norden Distinguished Professor, the U of S Provost’s Teaching Award and the U of S Master Teacher’s Award.
In Part 1 of this 2-Part interview, our vivacious conversation touches on:
The unscripted, unfiltered 'getting to know Trisha' introduction!
The past, present, and future state of internships and residencies for students
Curbing the intergenerational treatment of interns to develop new professionals the right way
"The Hidden Curricula" students receive from mentors, both the good and the bad
Shifts at the academic level in how the next generation of veterinary professionals is being taught to treat each other
How Trisha dealt with bouts of depression
Jon Kabat-Zinn and the art of mindfulness
Understanding and utilizing the mind-body connection
Join us next week for Part 2 of 2 with Dr. Trisha Dowling as the conversation continues . . .
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jun 30, 2021 • 18min
What Brings You Joy?
Sometimes you need to step back and remind yourself to seek joy!
Co-hosts Dr. Jonathan Leicht and Dr. Michael Bugg continue to mix it up on the Veterinary Project Podcast, this time having a free-flowing chat around the things that bring them joy.
From not wearing socks to pulling teeth, from getting outside for a hike to cold beers on the patio, expect some laughs, expect some surprises, and ultimately, expect a fun reminder to seek the little (and big) things that bring joy to your life!
Additional Notes:
Mike's "love it or hate it" movie suggestion - The Royal Tennenbaums
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jun 23, 2021 • 56min
Mentorship, Networking, and the Creation of Latinx Veterinary Medical Association with Current Fourth-Year Student Juan Orjuela
Juan, otherwise known as “Juancho” was born in Bogota, Colombia, but his family immigrated to Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA when he was 10 years old. Juan attended the University of Milwaukee-Wisconsin, where he graduated with a bachelor’s in biology and environmental conservation.
Juan is currently a fourth-year veterinary student at the Ontario Veterinary College in Canada. He is passionate about promoting diversity and inclusion in the veterinary profession. His veterinary interests include ophthalmology, emergency medicine, practice ownership, and taking on other leadership roles.
Juan considers himself a student entrepreneur and prides himself on being the co-founder of the Latinx Veterinary Medical Association, a non-profit organization representing the Latinx community in the veterinary profession.
Our conversation with Juan covers many topics including:
Juan's origin story getting into veterinary medicine
The student journey and how interests may change throughout veterinary college
The financial ramifications of getting a professional designation
Mentorship: what it means and why it's important
Benefits of developing networking skills
Launching a non-profit, Latinx Veterinary Medical Association as a veterinary student
Developing a community of Latin veterinary professionals
Juan's impact round!
If you'd like to find out more about Juan, he's very active on social media, Instagram in particular at:
@juancho.the.student.vet
For more information on the Latinx VMA you can check them out online and on Instagram at:
https://latinxvma.org/
@latinxvet
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jun 16, 2021 • 28min
Two Vets Talk Time Management
Co-hosts Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht launch into an episode on Time Management in this edition of the show!
In time-focused fashion, topics and tips dispensed within include:
Technology hacks for busy professionals managing multiple calendars
The power of quarterly 90 day rocks
Mike's perspective: time management versus focus management
Why priorities must get scheduled-in first
Why "ignorance is bliss"
Learning to say NO
What it means to leave room for the magic
Getting intentional and taking time to reflect
Getting comfortable with delegation!
Why "later takes longer"
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jun 9, 2021 • 44min
Getting People Right with Veteran Coach Trevor Throness
Trevor Throness is a veteran coach who specializes in working with growing businesses from $2 million to $2 billion in sales. He has helped hundreds of entrepreneurs, organizations, and business families across North America fix people problems, enhance communication, attract top talent and build exceptional cultures.
He is the author of The Power of People Skills and has been featured in Forbes, Inc., and New York Post among other major publications.
Trevor and his wife, Jennifer live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
In this insightful conversation we cover everything from getting the right people in the right seats, personality profiles, clinic culture, and communication with others. Topics Trevor and us dive into include:
Why getting people right is the key element of businesses succeeding
Why most issues are people related
How to communicate to fix problems
Understanding how to work with different personalities through understanding DISC profiles
Why people depend on leaders and leadership within a business
Assessing people's attitudes and productivity to get people in the right seats in a business
How leaders can approach and deal with problematic, underperforming personnel
Working ON your weaknesses versus working IN your weaknesses
Creating clinic culture and using that culture to attract top talent in the industry
Tactical pieces of advice for improving an existing clinic culture
Trevor's Impact Round!
If you're looking to find out more about Trevor or are curious what your DISC profile is, head on over to Trevor's website at:
https://gettingpeopleright.com/
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jun 2, 2021 • 21min
Making Mistakes in Veterinary Medicine
Forrest Gump said it best, “Shit Happens!”
This week, Mike and Jonathan share some of their biggest medical errors as veterinarians and how they personally handled their mistakes.
It's impossible to be prepared for how you're going to feel when you mess up, but as Jonathan and Mike share:
You will get through it
It's not so much the mistake that's made as it is what you do to handle it - what you do to make it right
There's always something to learn from when you make a mistake
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

May 26, 2021 • 25min
Veterinary Medicine Post-COVID
What does veterinary medicine look like in a post-COVID world?
In this episode, Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht discuss what they think is here to stay, and what's going away, in the post-COVID world.
Plenty has changed in the industry as a result of COVID and our hosts dive into some of those changes, sharing their opinions and thoughts on:
Curbside services
Delivery services and online access for clinics
What happens when pet owners start going back to the office
Creating client loyalty with new pet owners
Clinic automation and software solutions
Tele-medicine, tele-triage, and virtual reception
Change management
Networking events
Artificial intelligence
Work scheduling practices
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

May 19, 2021 • 56min
Digital Marketing for the Vet Med Industry with Adam Greenbaum, Founder and CEO of WhiskerCloud
Adam Greenbaum is the CEO and founder of WhiskerCloud, a motivational speaker, and award-winning digital marketer with experience ranging from a boutique advertising agency to a national travel agency and everything in between.
Most digital marketers pride themselves on specializing in one particular aspect of marketing – social media, web design, analytics, email marketing, search engine marketing – Adam has worked tirelessly to master it all.
When he's not working, he spends his time with his wife, Elizabeth, two Boston Terriers, Sophie and Baxter, and cat, Nala.
In this unique conversation around digital marketing specific to the veterinary space, Adam shares:
How he got into the veterinary medicine industry
The challenges of keeping up with the incredible growth of WhiskerCloud since COVID started
The power of a quality digital presence for veterinarians
Maximizing automation to maximize return on time
Adam's relentless pursuit of business success as an owner of a company
Navigating difficult conversations
Notating everything to avoid mistakes and misinformation
The future of WhiskerCloud
Adam's Impact Round!
If you're interested in learning more about Adam and WhiskerCloud, check them out online at:
www.whiskercloud.com
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send us an email at theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM


