
People Property Place
Powered by Rockbourne, the central intention of this podcast is to share the stories, views, opinions, and career journeys of the movers, shakers, innovators, and leaders in the real estate investment management industry.
Whether you are an existing real estate professional, aspiring to break into the space, or just want to know more about this fascinating sector this podcast is for you.
New episodes of The People Property Place Podcast will be released regularly and you will be able to find them for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or any App that supports podcasts.
Oh, and one last thing - in every episode, I will be asking each guest who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would be looking to invest, should they have £500m at their disposal.
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Latest episodes

Dec 5, 2024 • 1h 4min
#102 Bella Peacock, Senior Managing Director at Greystar & Member of the European Leadership team
Bella joined Greystar in 2014 as one of the first members of the new European business, where she was engaged with the platform's growth across the region. Today, she is responsible for asset execution across student and multifamily properties and leads the company’s Asset Management and Operations teams in Europe. Prior to Greystar, she worked in the residential real estate sector covering serviced apartments, PRS and BTR at Native where she was responsible for portfolio growth, investor relations and asset management. Bella started her career at The UNITE Group, having graduated from Oxford University where she studied Geography. I sat down with Bella to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got into real estate: Understanding her motivation and path into the property sector. * Early career moves: We explore the key transitions in her career * Joining a scale-up in the UK: Being one of the first 10 employees in the UK & reflecting on her role in helping establish Greystar’s UK business during its early days. * Managing diverse asset types: BTR, PBSA, and Co-Living—across various regulatory and geographic landscapes requires balancing Greystar’s global operating model with the specific demands and nuances of each local market. * Key considerations when onboarding a portfolio: Insights into the critical factors and strategies involved in bringing new portfolios into the business. * What excites her most: Discuss the trends or opportunities in real estate that she’s most passionate about. * Sabbatical experience: What she gained from her recent time away and how it shaped her outlook. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Bella would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast?? is powered by Rockbourne. The team recruits Leadership and future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?

Nov 28, 2024 • 1h 4min
#101 Adam Goldin, Head of UK at CC Land
This week I sit down with Adam Goldin, Head of UK at CC Land, the Hong Kong-listed real estate powerhouse. Adam oversees some of London’s most iconic real estate, including the Leadenhall Building (famously known as the Cheesegrater) and the Whiteley. Adam brings a wealth of experience from his previous roles, including Head of UK Investment at Resolution Property and eight years at Delancey, where he played a key role in transforming projects like East Village and the Elephant & Castle Shopping Centre redevelopment. I sat down with Adam to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early Career Foundations – The pivotal experiences and key lessons that shaped his journey in real estate. * Transitioning from Advisor to Principal – Overcoming the challenges of shifting from advisory roles to principal investment positions. * The Whiteley Redevelopment – Insights into one of London’s most iconic building transformations. * Leadenhall Building (Cheesegrater) – managing customer relationships and improving the rental profile of this landmark London skyscraper. * Gut Feel vs. Spreadsheet – The balance between intuition and data-driven decisions in real estate investments. * Leveraging Social Media – Harnessing the power of digital platforms to build brand awareness and engage stakeholders. * Embracing Opportunism – Identifying and capitalising on real estate & career opportunities Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Adam would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate

Nov 21, 2024 • 1h 3min
#100 Elmar Schoonbrood, Co-CEO of Multi Corporation
Elmar Schoonbrood was appointed Co-CEO of Multi Corporation in January 2022. He brings nearly two decades of experience in European real estate and debt markets. Prior to this, he served as Managing Director at Blackstone and has previously held roles at Oaktree Capital Management and Morgan Stanley. He holds an MA in Real Estate and a BA in Business Administration. I sat down with Elmar to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate & early career moves * Navigating the intersection of e-commerce and traditional retail * Harnessing Data & AI for to create forward predicting decision making * Acquiring and revitalising Multi * Strategies for building and leading high-performing teams * Crafting a compelling vision and tracking progress with the team * Enhancing operational efficiencies for sustained growth * Driving value from the portfolio through development work * Personal sacrifices involved in establishing a business * Managing a €5bn real estate portfolio effectively Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Elmar would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast ?? is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?

Nov 14, 2024 • 1h 13min
#99 Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property
Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property, a FTSE 250 company with a portfolio valued at over £1 billion, delivering premium accommodation to students across the UK. Duncan has a proven track record in transforming companies and driving customer-centric success. He’s led teams across various industries, including retail, pubs, hospitality, food and entertainment, always with a focus on delivering exceptional customer experiences and fostering motivated, high-performing teams. I sat down with Duncan to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Career Foundations – The early experiences that shaped his leadership style. * Scaling Global Brands – His insights from taking brands international. * Turning Around Struggling Companies – The strategies behind reviving underperforming businesses. * Proving Doubters Wrong – His approach to overcoming challenges and silencing critics. * Navigating Complex Legislation – How he adapts strategies to meet government regulations. * Operational Excellence – Driving efficiencies in student accommodation cluster management. * What It Means to Be Truly Customer-Centric – Redefining customer-centricity in real estate. * Investing in Innovative Assets – Comparing cookie-cutter accommodations with boutique, character-driven designs. * UK Student Accommodation – Understanding supply vs. demand and market segmentation. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Duncan would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? This podcast was recorded just before ESP held a successful 10% equity raise, to fuel the growth that Duncan refers to in the interview. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate

Nov 7, 2024 • 58min
#98 Josh Liaw, CEO of Elite UK REIT
Josh Liaw, CEO of Elite UK REIT, brings over 20 years of expertise in real estate fund management, banking, and treasury. Throughout his impressive career, Josh has held key roles at leading institutions such as Citi Bank, Standard Chartered, and Lendlease. His vast experience spans multiple regions, including Singapore, Malaysia, and the UK, where he has successfully invested in and managed a broad array of asset classes. I sat down with Josh to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early Career Moves – Foundational experience, key moves and skills acquired. * Team Leadership – Managing high-performing teams across regions. * Government-Backed Income – Acquiring assets let to the UK Government. * UK Market Opportunity – Insights on investing in the UK from an international viewpoint. * SGX-Listed UK REIT – The significance of being listed in Singapore while operating in the UK. * ESG application– Integrating environmental, social, and governance principles. * Countercyclical Investment – Navigating market cycles and downturn opportunities. * Personal Sacrifice in the UK – Challenges faced while working abroad. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Josh would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate

Oct 31, 2024 • 1h 1min
#97 Paul Hampton, CEO of Evonite
Prior to Evonite, Paul was head of PATRIZIA’s (formerly Rockspring Property Investment Managers) international discretionary fund management business which had close to €10bn AUM. He was also a member of the firm’s senior leadership group, its real estate Investment Committee and its Fund Review Committee. Leading a team of professionals based in London and Continental Europe, he provided oversight across a number of co-mingled funds, separate accounts and joint ventures. His focus was on markets, strategy formation (including the creation of thematic programmes), equity raising, deployment and overall performance. A significant proportion of his time was devoted to the value-add TransEuropean Fund Series. I sat down with Paul to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career journey and foundational experiences * Emphasis on the significance of people, purpose, and alignment * Why the timing is right to launch Evonite now * Complementary skill sets within the partnership * Personal sacrifices and challenges of launching the business * Evonite’s unique selling propositions and differentiators * Returning to fundamental principles and strategies * True alignment with LP’s * Is there a gap for smaller fund series * Key market trends Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Paul would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? hashtag#peoplepropertyplace hashtag#podcast hashtag#rockbourne hashtag#realestate

Oct 24, 2024 • 1h 8min
#96 Linus Forsberg, Partner at Trinova Real Estate
Linus has been instrumental in leading the transformation of Trinova from a boutique UK office investment firm into a highly successful multi-sector investment management company with over £1.1 billion in assets. With 13 years at the helm of Trinova, Linus brings deep expertise in business operations, investor relations, and equity capital. His career includes roles at CBRE Global Investors, Fitch Ratings and CBRE. He has worked across European markets and has built a distinguished track record. I sat down with Linus to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Journey into real estate and early career influences * Key lessons and growth from initial career steps * How youthful energy and naivety played a role in launching a business * Strategies for minimising risk and maximising upside * The story behind the name "Trinova" * Which to prioritise: investment thesis or capital? * Building a residential real estate platform * Trinova’s expansion into European and U.S. markets * Key advice for entrepreneurs starting businesses today * How Theresa May’s dancing spooked international investors Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Linus would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate

Oct 17, 2024 • 49min
#95 David Bateman, Former Chief Investment Officer at Primary Health Properties
David Bateman, a highly experienced real estate professional with over two decades in the industry, previously served as Chief Investment Officer at Primary Health Properties (PHP). During his time at PHP, he oversaw substantial growth, including the expansion of the portfolio to over £3 billion and led PHP’s entry into the Irish market. David's expertise spans operational real estate, long-income strategies, and the healthcare sector. In this episode, David discusses: His path into real estate, transitioning from a background in economics. Navigating career challenges, including the Global Financial Crisis (GFC), and how he successfully pivoted during this turbulent time. The operational real estate sector, with a focus on logistics and healthcare. Key lessons from managing PHP’s portfolio expansion, particularly in Ireland. The growing importance of ESG and its impact on the real estate market. Strategic decision-making, balancing risk and opportunity in property investment. Tune in to hear David's fascinating journey and his insights on the future of real estate. Catch the full episode now on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts! 🎙 The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne, the team specialising in Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and Developers.

Oct 10, 2024 • 1h 10min
#94 James Markby, Founder of Logistics Capital Partners
James Markby, Founder of Logistics Capital Partners, shares insights from his 20+ years in logistics real estate. He discusses his unconventional journey and the lessons learned while transitioning from advisor to developer. Markby highlights the importance of timing in investment decisions and the challenges posed by today's debt wall. He also reflects on personal sacrifices made while building a thriving business and reveals strategies for overcoming obstacles in European expansion. The conversation offers a compelling look at the future of logistics investments.

Oct 3, 2024 • 49min
#93 Louisa Butters, Senior Director & Head of Retail Asset Management at CBRE Investment Management
CBRE Investment Management is a leading real assets firm who have some $140+ Bn under management, over 1000 team members and over 30 offices worldwide. Louisa started her career at King Sturge now, JLL, and has worked at CBRE Global Investors, Cherwell District Council, and Cadogan before joining CBRE Investment Management as a Director. I sat down with Louisa to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got started in real estate * Early career moves * Exciting market opportunities to watch * Key advice for those starting out in real estate * The evolution of asset management * The resurgence of retail * Balancing income with value creation * Placemaking - building communities * E-commerce & Physical Space - Finding the perfect balance * ESG Considerations Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Louisa would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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