

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Oct 23, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 237: The Connected Leader w/ Emmanuel Gobillot
Philip welcomes Emmanuel Gobillot, author of The Connected Leader to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the inherent paradoxes that make up leadership roles and how one builds consensus and creates trust.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Martyr – Kaveh Akbar
Emmanuel’s Drop:
The Secret of Secrets – Dan Brown Special Guest: Emmanuel Gobillot.

Oct 16, 2025 • 51min
Episode 236: Crisis of Leadership w/ Steve Wyatt
Philip welcomes Steve Wyatt, author of Antidote to the Crisis of Leadership to the show. In their conversation, they connect whether the crisis of leadership is real or imagined and more acute in these times versus others.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
House of Guinness (Netflix)
Steve’s Drop:
Lost in Transformation – Rupert BrownSpecial Guest: Steve Wyatt.

Oct 9, 2025 • 51min
Episode 235: The Art of Design Strategy w/ Garkay Wong
Philip welcomes Garkay Wong, author of The Art of Design Strategy to the show. In their conversation, they explore the future of design innovation and what are the key structural challenges and opportunities in the design discipline.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Godwin – Joseph O’Neill
Garkay’s Drop:
K-Pop Demon Hunters (Netflix) Special Guest: Garkay Wong.

Oct 2, 2025 • 58min
Episode 234: The Killing State w/ Corinna Barrett Lain
Philip welcomes. Corrina Barrett Lain, author of Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection. In our conversation, we explore the ugly reality of lethal injection across medical, political and legal realities.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Americans (Hulu)
Corinna’s Drop:
A Gentleman in Moscow (Paramount+) Special Guest: Corinna Barrett Lain.

Sep 25, 2025 • 1h 9min
Episode 233: Beyond The Male Crisis w/ Soraya Chemaly
Philip welcomes Sorya Chemaly back to the show to discuss the so-called Male Crisis. Chemaly, an expert on gender and the author of the upcoming book All We Want is Everything: How to Dismantle Male Supremacy, breaks down the inconsistencies of the male crisis narrative and connects it to the movement of male supremacy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
How the South Won The Civil War – Heather Cox Richardson
Soraya’s Drop:
Drawing, Sketching, Doodling Each DaySpecial Guest: Soraya Chemaly.

Jul 31, 2025 • 1h 8min
Episode 232: What Might Be w/ Susan Sturm
Philip welcomes Prof. Susan Sturm, author of What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Institutions. In our conversation, we discuss how important it is to honestly confront racism and how movements can grow in times of rising authoritarianism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Malcolm- Jamal Warner
Susan’s Drop:
Blue Special Guest: Susan Sturm.

Jul 24, 2025 • 1h 18min
Episode 231: Creating a Care Economy w/ Tim Jackson
Philip welcomes back Tim Jackson to the show to discuss his latest book, The Care Economy. In their conversation, they breakdown how care is essential to building a society where all of us can prosper.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Pitt (HBO Max)
Parks & Recreation (Peacock) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1266020/
Tim’s Drop:
True Detective – Season 1 – (HBO Max)
Extractive Capitalism – Laleh Khalili
In a Different Voice – Carol Gilligan Special Guest: Tim Jackson.

Jul 17, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 230: Money, Lies and God w/ Katherine Stewart
Philip welcomes journalist and author Katherine Stewart to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book Money, Lies and God. In their conversation, they chart the rise of Christian Nationalism and how it influences government through a network of money, influencers and the pulpit and the disastrous effect this has had on American democracy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Number One on the Call Sheet (Apple TV)
Mr. McMahon (Netflix)
Katherine’s Drop:
Hound Dog – Big Mama Thornton
Hey Joe – Billy Roberts
I Can’t Stand the Rain – Ann Peebles

Jul 10, 2025 • 51min
Episode 229: The Crisis Within Foster Care w/ Claudia Rowe
Philip welcomes Claudia Rowe, author of Wards of the State: The Long Shadow of American Foster Care. In their conversation, they explore the deep crisis within the foster care system and how it adversely effects the children it is attempting to serve.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Secrets We Keep (Netflix)
Claudia’s Drop:
Sinners (HBO Max)
Adolescence (Netflix)

Jun 26, 2025 • 59min
Episode 228: A Nonlinear Life w/ Kevin Bethune
Philip welcomes back designer/author Kevin Bethune to discuss his latest book Nonlinear: Navigating Design with Curiosity and Conviction. Using Kevin’s career and life they trace the importance of accepting a nonlinear path that can provide opportunities, alternatives and solutions that might otherwise be missed.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Captain America: Brave New World (Disney+)
Kevin’s Drop:
1Q84 – Haruki Murakami


