
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

May 15, 2025 • 1h 4min
Episode 224: Gaia Wakes & Emergent Planetary Intelligence w/ Topher McDoughal
Philip welcomes Topher McDoughal, author of Gaia Wakes: Earth’s Emergent Planetary Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devestation to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss the meaning of intelligence and how it connects to a living planetary system.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Captive’s War – James.S.A Carey
Topher’s Drop:
Staying with the Trouble – Donna J. Haraway
Gnomon – Nick Harkaway

May 8, 2025 • 1h 15min
Episode 223: Words as Violence w/ Alia Dastagir
Philip welcomes journalist Alia Dastagir, author of To Those Who Have Confused You to Be a Person: Words as Violence and Stories of Women’s Resistance Online. In their conversation, they discuss the harm and violence that women encounter online and how it effects our digital and cultural spaces.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
North of North (Netflix)
Alia’s Drop:
There Are No Girls on the Internet
Spitfire News
1883
1923 Special Guest: Alia Dastagir.

May 1, 2025 • 1h 16min
Episode 222: Making Futures Work w/ Phil Balagtas
Philip welcomes “fellow Phil” Phil Balagtas, author of Making Futures Work to the show. In their conversation, they discuss the myriad ways in which Futures has evolved as a discipline, what role strategy plays in future making and why are we fascinated by flying cars?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Fannie Lou Hamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiApoSpxbz0
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/freedomsummer-hamer/
Phil’s Drop: Darryl Anka/Bashar
https://www.instagram.com/basharchanneling
https://www.bashar.org/
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHo5pAZyeMw/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH5dVSnikJ7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Apr 24, 2025 • 51min
Episode 221: Everyday Habits and Radical Engagement w/ Adam Kahane
Adam Kahane, a renowned facilitator based in Montreal and author of 'Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems,' joins for an enlightening talk. He delves into how true transformation often defies conventional expectations. Kahane emphasizes the power of everyday habits in fostering systemic change and the importance of collaborative efforts across diverse groups. He critiques traditional competitive mindsets and examines the complexities of navigating power dynamics in politics. Their conversation also reflects on the significance of recognizing 'cracks' in systems as opportunities for growth.

Apr 17, 2025 • 1h 9min
Episode 220: Research for Designers w/ Gjoko Muratovski
Gjoko Muratovski, editor of 'Research for Designers: A Guide to Methods and Practices,' discusses the evolution of design research and its critical role in tackling global challenges. He emphasizes curiosity as a driving force for innovation, advocating for human-centric strategies in design. The conversation delves into the misinterpretations of design thinking in business and underscores the value of ethnographic research. Reflecting on the Challenger disaster, Gjoko critiques decision-making failures, urging a focus on improving life on Earth.

Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 219: The Rise of the Alt-Reich w/ Nafeez Ahmed
Philip welcomes Nafeez Ahmed, author of Alt Reich: The Network War to Destroy the West From Within to the show. In their conversation they discuss the rise of the modern right and how the legacy of fascism forms the foundation for their ideology.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Knick (Max)
Hitler’s American Model: United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law – James Q. Whitman
Nafeez’s Drop:
Foundation (Apple+)
Dave Troy – America 2.0
Jim Stewartson – Mind-War
Planetary Phase Shift paper – Nafeez Ahmed

Mar 20, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 218: The Dao of Complexity w/Dr. Jean Boulton
Philip welcomes Dr. Jean Boulton, author of The Dao of Complexity to the show. In this episode they discuss the myriad ways in which the philosophy of Dao connects to complexity. In their wide ranging conversation, they tackle physics, philosophy and how as beings we are more than any singular “thing”
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Orbital – Samantha Harvey
Jean’s Drop:
Zero Day (Netflix)
Piranesi – Susanna Clarke

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Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 217: Complexity & Organizations w/ Chris Mowles
Chris Mowles, a Professor of Complexity and Management at Hertfordshire Business School, dives into the intricate world of organizational complexity. He explains why complexity is increasingly relevant today and how consultants grapple with unpredictable challenges. Mowles critiques individualism and promotes a nuanced understanding of power dynamics in management. The conversation also highlights the significance of adaptability in complex environments, interspersed with personal reflections on jazz aesthetics and modern television narratives.

Mar 6, 2025 • 1h 12min
Episode 216: Collapse, Trauma and Solidarity w/Ginie Servant-Miklos & Pamela Armitage
Philip welcomes Ginie Servant-Miklos author of Pedagogies of Collapse and Pamela Armitage, Chief Impact Officer at Studium Violentiae and Violence Prevention, Trauma and Defense Educator to the show to discuss the specific ways that trauma acts on and reinforces challenges to solidarity.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Eyes of the Prize (MAX/PBS)
Columbus & Other Cannibals – Jack D. Forbes
Ginie’s Drop:
The work of G.D.H Cole
https://www.hetwebsite.net/het/profiles/cole.htm
Pamela’s Drop:
Braiding Sweetgrass – Robin Wall Kimmerer
Works of David Lynch
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/Special Guest: Ginie Servant-Miklos .

Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 215: Just Enough Is Not The Minimum w/Erika Hall
Philip welcomes back designer and author of “Just Enough Research” Erika Hall to the show to discuss how “just enough” is a bigger concept than you think and how design and research play pivotal roles in how we shape and think about the world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: River
Sing Me Home – Eleanor Shearer
Erika’s Drop:
The Big Book of Cyberpunk edited by Jared Shurin
KEXP – FM Special Guest: Erika Hall.