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Welcome to Episode 82 of Destination Linux On this episode of Destination Linux, as we are down 1 host, we’ve made quite a few changes to the show. We are still in the process of making these changes so please bear with us still but I think there is a lot of potential for the future. This week, we discussed the latest news such as Ubuntu 18.04’s First Point Release, The Return Of Korora, Firefox Delivering Out-Of-Process Extensions To Linux, Windows may soon be gone with Desktop as a Service Replacing it, and we’ll talk about some Linux Gaming topics like the cool Battle Royale game, Crazy Justice coming to Linux. We are also adding a brand new segment for Tips & Tricks as well as Software Spotlights. All that and much more! Quick Links: Ryan, aka DasGeek = https://dasgeekcommunity.com Michael, with TuxDigital = http://tuxdigital.com Zeb, aka Zebedeeboss = https://youtube.com/zebedeeboss Want to Support the Show? Support on Patreon Order Destination Linux Apparel Want to follow the show and hosts on social media? You can find all of our social accounts at destinationlinux.org/contact — Topics covered in this episode: Ubuntu First Point Release Is Out 18.04.1 LTS Engineering Plasma: Extensions and stability — Present and future Linux Kernel 4.18 Slated for Release on August 12th as Linus Torvalds Outs Last RC The Return Of Korora 28 Firefox Delivering Out-Of-Process Extensions To Linux Google Chrome Picture In Picture Mode Canonical Announced That Opera and Chromium Are Now Available As A Snap With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It GPD Pocket 2 Crowdfunding is Live Valve Will Release Artifact for Linux On Nov 28th Crazy Justice Steam Page Is Up Tip: Easy Window Resizing (in most desktop environments) Press & Hold the “Alt” key, then Right-Click near the edge of a window, drag the mouse until you reach the desired size. Software Spotlight: Guvcview DL Community Email: Greetings, I just wanted to throw you a quick note about some really good news and great uses on Linux. I am a Drafter / Designer by trade and have only been using proprietary software on Windows to do 3D mechanical design work. I have recently been using FreeCAD, which is a 3D Parametric solid modeler not too different than the high cost, commercial offerings. It is feature rich and has many modules for different engineering functions. This has been an exciting discovery and journey for me. I have only begun scratching the surface of it and the more I use it the more I like it. Some other noteworthy built in modules include BIM (Building Information Modeler) for doing architectural work and FEM (Finite Element Method) for doing some serious part or system analysis. From a professional and personal standpoint, this is super exciting to know that I am now free of the confinements of super expensive proprietary software for hobby projects. These are cross platform tools not exclusive to Linux but the point is, it is ON Linux and it works super well. These are some exciting times! — CubicleNate

Welcome to Episode 81 of Destination Linux DL Email Hey, Destination Linux crew, I love the show, but one thing greatly troubles me… Ryan “CLAIMS” his car ‘runs linux’, but I am thinking he means that his car ‘boots’ linux.   I refuse to believe these outrageous claims until I see a logo of some sort that Ryan has produced ACTUALLY USING this ‘linux’ on his car.  That’s right. I’m calling ‘bogus’ on this, until Ryan offers proof-positive that his car RUNS linux by producing something with inkscape or gimp USING HIS CAR. I admit, I was skeptical when he professes his love for linux, but uses an iPhone to make phone calls. (Android, as google-fied as it may be, is certainly closer to the linux family than iOS) Seriously, though. Thank you for the show each week! I don’t miss an episode, and, like Ryan, I also work telecom… It’s a welcome relief to hear the friendly linux-centric banter while I go about my I&R (install and repair) business day. PS: I’m not sure if Michael knew this, but KDE is SO customizable,  I’ve even found an option that you can ‘like it’ or ‘not like it’ in the settings!!! Thanks, -Andy Distro News Canonical Fixes Boot Failures on 16.04 and 18.04 LTS Linux kernel security update for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.18-Random-Boot-Fix Debian Based Slax 9.5 Released Slax The Ultimate Linux Distro Is Here LXQt Neptune OS 5.4 Released About Neptune Modicia: Ultimate Linux with a Twist Modicia O.S. Lubuntu Taking A New Direction Software News Launching A Paid Application On Linux Hardware News Dell XPS Developer Edition w/ Ubuntu Forbes Gives 5 Reasons To Switch To Linux Now Jason Evangelho Gaming Minecraft SNAP Get’s Updated PolyGod FPS Launches Next Month Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss I would like to thank each and every one of you for listening and watching every week. It has been some of the best times doing this show with Ryan, Zeb and Michael. Rocco Destination Linux is going to continue. But the format naturally has to change as Rocco handled many critical tasks of the show specific to editing. During this transition period we’re going to have to do some testing and maneuvering with the show format and how we bring the content to you each week. Our primary focus will continue to be the podcast itself and making sure we’re keeping the patrons and our audience informed. Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination  

Welcome to Episode 80 of Destination Linux This week our special guest is Marc Di Luzio About Marc Former “Linux Group Lead” for Feral Interactive Currently working for Unity You live in a 5 rat household Social Media For Marc Twitter Mastodon Github Unity 2018.2 has been released Thanks to Marc for all the work he has done for the Linux community now and in the future. We really appreciated talking with him Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination  

Welcome to Episode 79 of Destination Linux I’m Rocco and with me today is Ryan, Zeb and Michael This episode was live streamed on Youtube & Twitch Sunday July 15th at 12 noon EST DL Email We got lots of great feedback on our Ryan Sipes episode including some additional questions people want us to ask him next time. So looks like we need to have him back on in the near future. Karl Schneider 6 days ago “I haven’t use Thunderbird in years. Ryan’s Jedi mind trick must have worked because I’m downloading it right now!” Johan B. 6 days ago “I’ m one of the 26 million. Thunderbird 60 beta 9 with square tabs aaaand with Lightning agenda. Only thing missing is CSD support like in Firefox to tick of the titlebar. Yes mobile Thunderbird please. I already use Firefox (beta) on my Pixel 2. Imagine if all 26 million gave 1 dollar;)” Mastodon Mr. Matt “@DestinationLinux I basically dropped everything I was doing and downloaded today’s episode. As a long time Thunderbird user, I have got to hear this!” Distro News The Sheer Scale Of Ubuntu Is Mindblowing Kubuntu 18.04 Users Get Plasma 5.12.6 Ubuntu Minimal Released ArcoLinux-D-B Gets 6.9 Kirk Release AUR Malware Discovered Security Flaw Found For Ubuntu New Intel Spectre Advisory Red Hat Celebrates 25 Year Anniversary Another 25 Year Anniversary With Wine Deepin Official Response On Spyware Quidsup has made several videos on this matter via Youtube. Reddit Software News Firefox Launches Mobile Test Pilot Tools Lockbox and Notes Six IDE’s You Should Be Aware Of Terminal Lovers Will Be Happy To Know About Browsh How About Weather From The Terminal CPU Fetch Gaming Unity 2018.2 Released w/ Vulkan and HiDPI Support in Editor CS-GO Panorama UI Now Available For Linux Hero-U Rogue To Redemption Out for Linux Chicken Assassin Reloaded Destination Linux Steam Group Now Available – Community Run Ballistic Overkill Gets Some Exciting Updates Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination  

This episode was live streamed on Youtube and Twitch on Sunday July 8th DL Emails We were corresponding with Yannick, a.k.a. the French guy from Switzerland recently and he brought to our attention the Raspberry Pi turning Raspbian into a complete desktop OS. We love when our listeners bring these cool projects to our attention and giving us some of the use cases for them. Here is what he has to say: As for your last question : the Raspberry Pi Foundation took Raspbian – the awesome OS that runs on all of my seven Raspberry Pis – and turn it into a complete OS for PCs and Macs, and they named it Raspberry Pi Desktop – go figure… It looks exactly the same as Raspbian, but runs on x86 architecture – and also x64 but there are no 64 bits ISO. It is definitely one of those “lightweight” distro. It runs super fast – even in a VM -, but it’s not really sexy. The main advantage I see with that distro is the fact that I can test my programs – did I mention I am a Linux developer ? – with the comfort of my PC before I transfer them to the Pi. That, and the fact that I can install it and make it run on my mum’s 10-year old laptop ! Anyway, you don’t have to take my word for it, go check it out by yourself ! https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspberry-pi-desktop/ Thanks again for your message and for the great show ! It’s always a pleasure to notice a new episode in my podcast app. Cheers ! Yannick, a.k.a. the French guy from Switzerland Distro News Developer Preview: Juno Beta 1 Is Here For those of you who caught the livestream and want to know. The elementaryOS Juno wallpaper is a diagonal gradient between 2 colors going from top left to bottom right. The top left color is: RGB = 69,41,129 Hex = #452981 CMYK = 47,68,0,49 The bottom right color is: RGB = 113,53,178 Hex = #7139b2 CMYK = 37,68,0,30 Redcore Linux Hardened 1806 released Linux Mint 19 “Tara” Officially Released, It’s Based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Linux Mint Blog Upgrade Instructions from 18.3 Mintbox Mini 2 Ready to Ship Xfce 4.13  Now With More Xfce Manjaro 17.1.11 Released Fedora 29 to Change DNF Repository Metadata Compression Phoronix Yum Thing YUM thing SUSE Linux Sold for 2.5 Billion Swedish private equity group EQT Software News ‘Next Gen’ Kdenlive Is Almost Here — But It Needs Your Help Kdenlive bug tracker. This week in Usability & Productivity, part 25 GitHub Repositories of Gentoo Linux Hacked! Gmail App Developers Are Reading Your Email YouTube Music Support Arrives in Google Play Music Desktop Player Google is Now a Platinum Member of The Linux Foundation Free Video Editor OpenShot 2.4.2 Released With 7 New Effects, Improved Stability Gaming Play OverWatch on Linux Steam Linux Use For June 2018 Comes In At 0.52% AntVentor The very sweet looking point & click adventure ‘AntVentor’ now has Linux support Never-ending shoot ’em up ‘I Hate Running Backwards’ is now on Linux Playing Spelunky Classic HD on Linux is now just a Snap away GamingOnLinux is officially 9 years old this week Support Gaming on Linux with any of the links below Patreon Liberapay Paypal tips Flattr Humble Store GOG Google Reportedly Planning To Enter The Gaming Market Destination Linux Admin You can support Destination Linux via the links below Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss A big thank you to each and every one of you for supporting us by watching or listening to Destination Linux Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination  

Welcome to Episode 77 of Destination Linux Our special guest today is Ryan Sipes of Thunderbird About Ryan Sipes Community Manager for Thunderbird Former System76 Community Manager Technologist Community Builder Social Media For Ryan Twitter Blog Linkedin Keybase Github Thunderbird release notes Thunderbird 60.0 Release Notes Report a Bug How to get involved with Thunderbird Thunderbird Bug report for subject line Donate to Thunderbird Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss A big thank you to each and every one of you for supporting us by watching or listening to Destination Linux. Contact us through comments@destinationlinux.org and we also look forward to responding to your comments on disqus at www.destinationlinux.org Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination

Welcome to Episode 76 of Destination Linux This episode was live streamed on Youtube and Twitch on Sunday June 23rd Email Comments: Thank you for your show, long time listener, first time commenter. I am a regular openSUSE user and contributor to the project and it seems like the review of the distro was greatly glossed over and viewed from a very “Ubuntu” lens. For starters, YaST, a tool that an Ubuntu user wouldn’t be familiar with, once you use it, it is a fantastic collection of system configuration tools. It is a central “shop” to get things configured very nicely. In contrast, to make configurations in Ubuntu, I have to search through a menu of items that may or may not be system or root level settings. If you are used to hunting around for system configurations, it’s not a big deal but for me, I could never consider many distributions because of the lack of a tool LIKE YaST. Also, if you want to live in the terminal, the ncures interface is just as useful. From a sysadmin perspective, this capability makes managing remote systems even easier through the terminal where I do not have to remember all the commands. The package manager, Zypper, was also glossed over. Zypper’s ability to manage multiple repositories and so very cleanly perform updates or even downgrades is the best I have ever used. Very stable, reliable and on the rolling model gives you spectacular control over your upgrades. Another feature of openSUSE that seems to be glossed over is the ability to test out multiple Desktop Environments on the same install. I can have KDE Plasma, Gnome, MATE and Budgie installed concurrently and switch between them without any consequences. As far as your challenges go with installing openSUSE, I can’t speak for that. I haven’t had issues but I am not one to dual boot. I will give other distros a spin in virtual machine. I use BTRFS on root but I do have a sizable partition in order to allow for the snapshots to be made upon each round of package installs. I know you guys have a good relationship with a lot of the Ubuntu crowd but it would have been nice to have had someone from the openSUSE crowd to be able to discuss the features with you, like Richard Brown. Just a thought Thanks for your show, I do enjoy it. CubicleNate *We want to apologize to those who sent us e-mails we missed in April. Apparently our SPAM filters got excited. Distro News: Peppermint 9 Announcement Deepin 15.6 Launches With New Features Sparky Linux Needs Your Support Ubuntu Releases Desktop Metrics Fedora Atomic Workstation Gets A Name Change OpenSuse Tumbleweed Now Powered By Kernel 4.17 Linux Kernel 4.18 Rich With Features Canonical To Announce IPO For Reals? Software News VR Editing Tool For Linux And Mac Only Ephiphany Browser 3.29.3 Now With Reader Mode Top 30 Themes For Ubuntu Gaming What We’ve been playing: Ballistic Overkill While this isn’t a new game. Tensions are heating up to declare the best BO player. Even potential for US vs UK battle (Popey & Wimpey) vs (Rocco and Ryan?) On our individual Youtube channels we’ve been showing off our skills and making the UK team sweat… Ballistic Overkill is a competitive FPS with incredible graphics and Vulkan support. It features fast paced action with character customization, multiple battle modes like King of the Hill, or Capture points. We have finally found a game to get Rocco and Michael away from Rocket League if at least for a few hours a week. Turok Remastered Comes to Linux Total Warhammer II Announced By Feral For Linux Steam Summer Sales Are Live Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination

Welcome to Episode 75 of Destination Linux Your hosts this week are Rocco, Ryan, Michael, and Zeb. Viewer Email Hi, Big fan of the show, i listen as soon as i can to each new episode. I thought you would be interested to know that Linux is already dominant in the high end VFX world. I work for a small animation studio where Linux is the pro-dominant OS, but is the industry standard, not the exception. There are several high-end products which work on Linux, including Autodesk Maya, Mudbox, Foundry Modo, Nuke, Davinci Resolve, Fusion, SideFX Houdini. The large VFX Studios including Pixar, Dreamworks, ILM, Weta also use linux. (CentOS is the main distro used, i heard ILM just switched to CentOS 7 from 6.). While Video editing is still a mix of Mac/Windows/Linux, with linux being the weaker for video editing it is still possible to create high-end work from start to finish on Linux using industry leading software. Also Ryan should try EXWM, i now use that after having used i3 for about 7 years. Regards, Richard Thank you for the email Richard, Distro News Linux Mint 19 New Features KDE 5.13 Release Announcement KDE Plasma 5.13 Officially Released with Revamped Lock & Login Screens, Settings KDE Maintainer Martin Floser Stepping Down VDG does not exist Article as a response to Martin Cannonical Keep Us Safe With New Kernel Patch Software News Private Internet Access’ “No-Logging” Claims Proven True Again in Court Gitlab Rejoices – Github gets bought Linux Foundation Response Hardware News Intel Announces i7 8086k with 28 Cores Gaming What I’ve been playing: Rise of the Tomb Raider Winepak Is A Flatpak Repository For Windows (Wine) Games And Applications Games Coming to Linux Life Is Strange (Feral) NP Total War: Thrones of Brittania NP Battletech (Mech Battles) NP Them’s Fightin’ Herds (2D fighter) P Insomnia NP Serious Sam 4 NP We Happy Few NP Drag NP OffGrid NP/P Hypergate NP Artifact (Valve Card Battle Game) P Crazy Justice (Battle Royale game) NP/P Nvidia 390.67 Linux Driver Has Been Released Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Destination Linux Twitch Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination  

Welcome to Episode 74 of Destination Linux I’m Rocco and Zeb is here with me and this week we have a special episode of Destination Linux. Michael and Ryan are joining us live from SELF but that’s not all folks, we got more. We are joined by the one and only Podcaster, Talk Show host, entrepenuer and super all-around nice guy Noah Cheliah, you know him from hosting the “Ask Noah show” Noah Chelliah Website Twitter Business owner of Altispeed which is a company that provides network infrastructure, back end, client-side front-end, and tech support. Former host of the insanely popular “Linux Action Show” Jupiter Broadcasting SELF South East Linux Fest Noah recently wrote an article about using Linux to broadcast. Check it out below The first to broadcast entirely on Linux Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! Which is on every Saturday night on the BigDaddyLinux Youtube channel Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss A big thank you to each and every one of you for supporting us by watching or listening to Destination Linux. We appreciate all the continued support of our Patrons and those who support the channel by leaving us a rating on your preferred app whether you’re listening via a Podcast app or on Youtube or Twitch. Also, thank you for those that leave comments, send us emails, subscribe, and hanging out with us on our individual channels. This feedback and support helps us to continue getting better. Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination

Welcome to Episode 73 of Destination Linux Reader Email Hi Rocco, Cheers to y’all for Destination Linux, BDLL and all your individual channels In the latest DL episode, someone made a joke about running Linux on a C64. Here’s a picture that proves it can be done. And with Mint no less.. though after achieving this, as a result of severe sleep deprivation from not only the install – but the transfer from ISO to floppies as well – apologies, but I was too tired to neatly stack the 100,000+ 5.25 inch floppy disks I used for the install so I that could provide that photographic evidence as well I hope at best it gives you a laugh (or four).. Otherwise I guess a chuckle, chortle or possibly even a mild smirk may suffice… Distro News openSUSE 15 Released Linux Lite 4.0 released Canonical Has Released Date for 18.04.1 LTS – popey Ubuntu 18.10 Release Date, New Features & More – popey Download Ubuntu 18.10 Daily Builds for Testing Gnome gets [in my best doctor evil voice] a one million dollar donation Check out @gnome’s Tweet or check out their Initiatives Budgie To Remerge Into Solus Project Linux Kernel 4.18 Gets Multi-Touch Device Support KDE Outlines New Goals On Reddit AMA KDE Connect Gets Even Cooler Software HydraPaper App To Set Different Wallpapers Hardware Officially Supported Ubuntu Monitor/PC By LG Phoronix Starts 14th Birthday Bash With Linux 12 Way GPU Benchmarks horonix 14th birthday coming up in May. Michael Larabel does an incredible job with the site and he was interviewed back on Episode 40 if you would like to learn more about him and his work in the Linux community. Professional Cinema Company Red Goes Linux Gaming What I’ve been playing: Ballistic Overkill This isn’t a new game. This is an old favorite. Amazing competitive FPS. I’ve gearing up to take on Wimpey for the ultimate battle. The manual won’t help you win this one Martin. Track Mania Forever Goes Snap You can install TMF snap install tmnationsforever –edge snap connect tmnationsforever:joystick Game Devs Give Feedback Linux SEGA Showing Linux Some ‘More’ Love Atari VCS Preorders Launched May 30 Admin Patreon Liberapay Destination Linux Apparel Destination Linux Youtube Where Can You Find Us This Week Rocco can be found at www.bigdaddylinux.com Ryan can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/dasgeek Zeb can be found on youtube at www.youtube.com/zebedeeboss Michael can be found at www.tuxdigital.com All of us can be found on Big Daddy Linux Live! streamed every Saturday night   Twitter @bigdaddylinux @dasgeekchannel @TuxDigitalcom @zebedeeboss A big thank you to each and every one of you for supporting us by watching or listening to Destination Linux. We appreciate all the continued support of our Patrons and those who support the channel by leaving us a rating on your preferred app whether you’re listening via a Podcast app or on Youtube or Twitch. Also, thank you for those that leave comments, send us emails, subscribe, and hanging out with us on our individual channels. This feedback and support helps us to continue getting better. Everybody have a great week and remember the Journey ITSELF is just as important as the Destination