
ABA Journal: Legal Rebels
The ABA Journal Legal Rebels Podcast features men and women who are remaking the legal profession and highlights the pioneers who are changing the way law is practiced and setting the standards that will guide the profession in the future.
Latest episodes

Jun 11, 2025 • 34min
How ethics reforms in Arizona led to LegalZoom's law firm
When Arizona changed its ethics rules in 2020 opening the door for alternative business structures and nonlawyer ownership for law firms, it sent shock waves throughout the legal industry. Nicole Miller, the chief legal officer of LegalZoom, speaks to the ABA Journal's Victor Li about LegalZoom’s experience in Arizona thus far, as well as general issues relating to regulatory reform and alternative business structures.

May 14, 2025 • 39min
To buy or not to buy? For Cleary Gottlieb, acquiring an AI company was a no-brainer
Ilona Lokvinova, Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary Gottlieb, leads her firm into the AI revolution. She discusses the groundbreaking acquisition of Springbok AI and its role in transforming legal practices. The conversation dives into the integration of generative AI, drawing parallels to electricity's transformative power. Lokvinova highlights the need for strategic implementation and ethical governance in technology adoption. Finally, she addresses how AI might redefine traditional billing models and reshape the careers of future lawyers.

Apr 16, 2025 • 40min
Generative AI can help overworked immigration lawyers navigate these tumultuous times
"May you live in interesting times." For immigration lawyers, that old proverb is now a reality. Ever since the start of the second Trump administration, immigration lawyers have been busier than ever, and they have plenty on their plates.

Mar 12, 2025 • 34min
This year's historic ABA Techshow will be bigger than ever
Stephen Embry, Editor-in-chief of Tech Law Crossroads and co-chair of the ABA Tech Show, brings his law practice experience to the discussion. He highlights the significance of the 40th annual show, which promises to be the largest yet at Chicago's McCormick Place. Embry shares insights on the evolution of technology in legal practice and its impact on innovation. He also discusses the diverse range of speakers, the anticipation for record attendance, and the exciting new features, including a themed anniversary party and opportunities for networking.

Feb 12, 2025 • 41min
Should we expect new regulations on data privacy and consumer protection?
It’s a well-worn saying that the law always lags behind technology. It makes sense. We all remember the old song about how a bill becomes a law and how long the whole process can take. By the time you get to the verse about a president signing something into law, technology has either evolved into something even more cutting edge or become obsolete—replaced by a newer, shinier toy.

Jan 15, 2025 • 38min
What's the forecast for generative AI in 2025?
If last year was when generative artificial intelligence went mainstream, could this year be the one when it gets even bigger? Will we see more people, law firms, companies and government agencies adopt, use or integrate it into their day-to-day activities? Will we see more rules and regulations from states or the federal government regarding its use? What about law schools and generative AI? Will we see more start to teach it? And will lawyers finally learn more about what to do, or not to do, when it comes to using it?

Dec 11, 2024 • 44min
2024 in Review: Generative AI dominated legal tech
Nikki Black, Principal Legal Inside Strategist at AffinitPay and an author known for her expertise in legal technology, dives into the explosive growth of generative AI in the legal sector. She discusses how AI is reshaping legal practices, improving efficiency, and enhancing work-life balance. Nikki also explores significant changes in attorney admissions, including online bar exams and alternative licensing methods, highlighting the ongoing need for reform in legal education and practice amid evolving tech trends.

Nov 13, 2024 • 39min
What generative AI means for the future of predictive analytics
Nicole Clark, Founder and CEO of Trellis, a trailblazer in legal analytics, dives into the transformative role of generative AI in predictive analytics for the legal sector. She unpacks how AI can help lawyers understand judicial tendencies and improve case management. The discussion highlights the evolution of legal technology, enhancing efficiency and streamlining processes. Clark also discusses the challenges of AI 'hallucinations' and the promising future improvements in data accuracy. Small firms can leverage these tools to stay competitive.

Oct 16, 2024 • 31min
What Filevine's new AI tool could mean for the future of depositions
Alex McLaughlin, Vice President of Product at Filevine, boasts over 15 years in legal tech. He reveals how their new generative AI tool not only transcribes depositions but also analyzes inconsistencies and suggests questions. This revolutionary technology acts like a second attorney, enhancing efficiency and accuracy in legal practices. The discussion also touches on the shift towards legal tech roles and the growth sparked by the pandemic, opening doors for innovation and the future of AI in law.

Sep 18, 2024 • 41min
What does the future hold for licensed paraprofessionals?
The podcast tackles the critical access-to-justice gap affecting 92% of Americans. It explores the evolving roles of paraprofessionals and the impact of programs like Washington's Limited License Legal Technician. Challenges and successes in integrating these professionals into the legal system are discussed, alongside the push for regulatory balance and consumer protection. The conversation highlights how technology, including AI, is reshaping legal roles and emphasizes the need for collaboration within the legal community.