
Beyond The Mask: Innovation & Opportunities For CRNAs
A podcast for the CRNA industry. Discussing the important issues that happen both in, and beyond, the operating room. With Sharon Pearce, DNP, CRNA, FAANA, FAAN and Jeremy Stanley, EA, CFP, AIF. Innovations & opportunities for CRNAs & APRNs. Visit our website for more great information https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ and to learn how you can get CE Credit as a CRNA just by listening to the podcast. Don’t miss our special series on CRNA History, CRNA Personal Finance & Retirement, Political Conversations, CRNA Career Issues, and our leadership series called Courage To Lead. Check out new episodes of Beyond The Mask every week with distinguished guests from the CRNA community... #anesthesiology #rn #surgery #healthcare #nurseanesthesiologist #crnaschool #nursing #srnalife #nurselife #nursingstudent #ornurse #nurseanesthesia #crnalife #nursepractitioner #medschool #anesthesialife #scrublife #icunurse #hospital #futurecrna #medical #crna #nurse #anesthesia #srna #nurseanesthetist #nurses #surgical #operatingtheatre #medicalstudent #operatingroomnurse #studentnurse #diversitycrna #ccrn #nursepractitioner #APRN #APRNchat #NPchat #midwife #NP
Latest episodes

Jan 27, 2022 • 42min
Ep 165: Incivility and Bullying by Healthcare Providers in the Clinical Setting
Incivility and bullying can be found in all types of environments in our society and that’s unfortunately true with the academic and clinical settings for SRNAs. This can create an environment that interferes with a student’s ability to learn, ability to cope, relationships, health and well-being. Holly Chandler EdD, CRNA, conducted a study with students to learn more about the issues they're facing and joins us to share her findings and look at the larger problem within the healthcare industry.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/
About our guest: https://www.bryanhealthcollege.edu/bcohs/faculty-staff-directory/nurse-anesthesia-faculty/meet-holly/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:39 – Why the topic is important
5:19 – Background on Holly
6:56 – Incivility vs Bullying
8:48 – Has Sharon ever felt bullied?
11:13 – SRNAs put in tough position
13:41 – Student risk
17:28 – Reporting
19:47 – Resources that are available
22:40 – What to do if you have a colleague behaving this way?
25:10 – Encouraging people to speak up
27:23 – Self-policing
29:59 – Is this more of a societal trend?
32:35 – Jeopardizing accreditation
34:21 – Lightning Round

Jan 20, 2022 • 1h 8min
Ep 164: CRNA Entrepreneurship in Aesthetics and Wellness
If you’ve ever considered being your own boss and building a business that can supplement or replace your CRNA income, there are paths out there that our peers are paving. One of those people is Mariann Trice, CRNA, ARNP, who transitioned to an independent practice after working more than 30 years in the medical field. Today she’ll tell us about her journey into entrepreneurship, the continuing education process, and why aesthetics and wellness have become a booming business.
About our guest: http://luminositeaesthetics.com/
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:47 – Background on our guest today
6:02 – Move to Seattle
8:26 – A W2/1099 offer she received
10:22 – Launching her new business
12:21 – Additional training required
14:39 – 3 CRNAs that offer training courses
18:40 – Biggest challenges in this journey
21:14 – Starting during a pandemic
23:19 – Market is booming
24:37 – Pandemic’s impact on the industry
26:03 – ‘Brotox’
30:24 – Income
37:52 – Limitations
41:51 – AANA advocacy
47:56 – Biggest reward
51:36 – Social media marketing
55:43 – Final thoughts

Jan 13, 2022 • 53min
Ep 163: How to Negotiate & Review CRNA Contracts
Talking about money isn’t an easy thing for most people to do. That’s why conversations around CRNA contracts can get uncomfortable and eventually lead to deals that don’t provide the value or benefits that you want and deserve. That’s why we’ve invited Jon Appino, founder of Contract Diagnostics, to talk about the negotiation process and how to approach your next contract review.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-163-how-to-negotiate-review-crna-contracts/3151/
About our guest: https://contractdiagnostics.com/about-us/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
2:16 – Background on guest and topic
4:07 – How he got into this business
8:03 – What is negotiable
10:07 – Tactics for negotiating
15:44 – W2 vs 1099
19:03 – Helping people understand their options
21:55 – Understanding your worth
25:57 – Red flags in contracts
27:56 – AANA compensation benefit study
31:19 – Current trends
34:12 – Is it okay to push back?
36:26 – What do these services cost?
40:05 – Re-negotiating
41:29 – Pay for men vs women
43:27 – Lightning round

Jan 6, 2022 • 44min
Ep 162: A Lifetime of Advocacy & Volunteerism with Linda Moore, CRNA, BS
Being a CRNA means caring for and about people and you won’t find many people that are better examples of that than Linda Moore, CRNA, BS. The former president of the NCANA has been in nursing for nearly 50 years, using much of that time on advocacy and volunteerism. Today she joins us to share that experience and help us understand why it’s so critical to nurse anesthesia.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-162-a-lifetime-of-advocacy-volunteerism-with-linda-moore-crna-bs/3145/
Watch the documentary referenced on the show: https://app.box.com/s/ldy0pye5lpnccccdgmt29b044e563m60
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:01 – Background on Linda
7:08 – Why advocacy & volunteerism is important
9:22 – Nursing Practice Act
12:56 – Lessons she’s learned
13:59 – Mentorship
18:01 – Where she volunteers
23:46 – Political involvement
27:24 – Her role within NC Democratic Party
31:42 – Final thoughts on the topic
33:20 – Lightning Round

Dec 30, 2021 • 49min
Ep 161: 22 Life & Money Resolutions for 2022
As we prepare to turn the page to the new year, it’s time to start thinking about our goals and laying out the resolutions we want to achieve in 2022. Sharon and Jeremy will take you through 22 life and money resolutions that will help you grow as a CRNA and put you on a path to financial freedom.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-161-22-life-money-resolutions-for-2022/3132/(opens in a new tab)
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
2:01 – Looking back on 2021
3:17 – Setting goals and resolutions
4:35 – Resolution #1 – Reduce your debt
7:11 – Resolution #2 – Boosting retirement savings
8:41 – Resolution #3 – Prepare for unexpected
10:57 – Resolution #4 – Don’t overreact to the headlines
12:24 – Resolution #5 – Set a budget
15:13 – Resolution #6 – Meet with financial & tax advisors
16:52 – Resolution #7 – Check beneficiary designations
19:39 – Resolution #8 – Carve out time for tough conversations
21:40 – Resolution #9 – Audit your insurance
22:58 – Resolution #10 – See if refinancing your home makes sense
23:46 – Resolution #11 – Organize your finances
25:35 – Resolution #12 – Check your credit
28:06 – Resolution #13 – Understand and review 1099 options
35:06 – Resolution #14 – Have a retirement income plan
31:34 – Resolution #15 – Look for more donation opportunities
33:00 – Resolution #16 – Ask about Roth conversions
34:30 – Resolution #17 – Update paycheck withholdings
35:21 – Resolution #18 – Rebalance your portfolio
35:51 – Resolution #19 – Plan your transition into retirement
37:30 – Resolution #20 – Consolidate your accounts
38:19 – Resolution #21 – Define your why or revisit it
40:08 – Resolution #22 – Listen to more episodes of the podcast
41:24 – 5 signs for good financial health

Dec 21, 2021 • 59min
Ep 160: Remembering Helen Vos, The Mother of Continuing Education
Our historical series wouldn’t be complete without an episode dedicated to the life and accomplishments of former AANA president Helen P Vos. What better way to truly understand her impact on the profession than by talking with two of her former students who were later mentored by Ms. Vos. Let’s welcome back Nancy Bruton-Maree, CRNA, and Sandy Ouellette, CRNA to the show to tell us about this special person.
Read more:https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-160-remembering-helen-vos-the-mother-of-continuing-education/3127/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
3:31 – Introducing today’s subject
4:37 – Early life
8:29 – A spirit for adventure
12:20 – Education
19:15 – Her work in anesthesia
25:00 – Career as a CRNA
28:26 – Story about how direct she could be
33:14 – Service to the AANA
38:29 – Mother of Continuing Education
43:52 – Her passing
50:06 – Final thoughts on Helen

Dec 16, 2021 • 44min
Ep 159: Tracking Surgeon Quality to Improve Cost & Care for Patients
Patients trust that their healthcare providers are sending them to the best surgeon possible when the need arrives, but that’s not always the case. Too often, patients aren’t receiving the best match when surgery is required due to outdated methods but times are changing. Sanjay Prasad, MD, CACS, started the company SurgiQuality to better track surgeon results and better identify quality of care. Today he joins us to talk about this new business and its goal to improve both costs and care for all parties.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-159-tracking-surgeon-quality-to-improve-cost-care-for-patients/3121/
About our guest and his book: https://resettinghealthcare.com/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
2:36 – Background on our Dr. Prasad
5:03 – What’s the issue with surgical referrals right now?
7:52 – How SurgiQuality operates
10:18 – Acquiring data on surgeries
13:51 – COVID’s impact on healthcare
16:56 – Where are we headed?
19:02 – Dealing with difficult patients
21:20 – Working with surgeons for tracking results
24:02 – Dr. Prasad shares a story
26:11 – Who buys into SurgiQuality?
26:11 – How many companies are self-insured?
29:40 – Medicare and Medicaid
30:31 – Cost savings
32:22 – Details on his book
33:22 – Building the SurgiQuality platform
35:30 – Final message from Dr. Prasad

Dec 9, 2021 • 45min
Ep 158: How to Protect Your License from Litigation
Although you never go into a patient’s room with the expectation that anything will go wrong, sometimes it does. It’s important for nurses to be prepared in the event that a lawsuit is ever filed against you. Today we’ve invited attorney Nick Dowgul to the show to tell us more about the legal process and what can happen to your nursing license after a lawsuit. There’s a lot to learn and we want to make sure you are able to protect yourself and your career.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-158-how-to-protect-your-license-from-litigation/3113/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
3:24 – Background on Nick
5:19 – Malpractice coverage
8:50 – Lawsuits impacting your license
10:46 – How investigations work
12:06 – Pulling cell phone records of nurses
16:07 – Examples of cases he’s seen
21:31 – Where you can find infractions?
22:14 – Failing to adhere to minimum standards case
24:14 – Following a doctor’s order
30:16 – Should you get a lawyer?
32:00 – Insurance side of this
34:14 – How to find someone like Nick
35:53 – Summarizing the conversation

Dec 2, 2021 • 54min
Ep 157: Why Having Nurse Anesthesia Academic Leadership Matters
We’ve stressed the importance of having CRNAs in clinical leadership positions as well as local government positions, but it’s equally valuable to have our peers in academic leadership roles as well. That’s why we’re excited to welcome Angela Mund, DNP, CRNA, back onto the show to talk about her new position as a department chair at the Medical University of South Carolina. In the first few months, she’s learned quite a bit about many different divisions and she’ll share some of that with us along with helping young CRNAs that are considering a similar path in academia.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-157-why-having-nurse-anesthesia-academic-leadership-matters/3101/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
4:36 – Welcome in Dr. Mund
5:44 – Her academic background
8:51 – What divisions she oversees
11:30 – Learning curves
13:45 – How did she get this role
15:25 – Advocating for CRNAs
19:29 – Favorite part of this role
21:42 – Biggest challenges
24:31 – How her experience as a CRNA has helped
28:28 – CRNAs that want to go this route
37:40 – Impact of moving to the doctorate
41:51 – Quality and quantity of students increasing
47:44 – Closing message from Angie

Nov 23, 2021 • 50min
Ep 156: How the Economics of Healthcare Could Change Anesthesia
Money drives many of the decisions industries have to make and healthcare is no exception. As things become more expensive and less efficient, people are looking for ways to improve the quality and cost of care. Ian Hewer, PhD, CRNA, is an assistant professor at Western Carolina University and has turned much of his focus to healthcare economics and QZ team billing. Today he’ll tell us more about this team approach, how it’s impacting cost, and why it’s a good thing for CRNAs.
Read more: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-155-how-the-economics-of-healthcare-could-change-anesthesia/3076/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Make a Memorial or Tribute Gift to the AANA: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/foundation-aana-com-web-documents-(all)/memorial-and-tribute-gift-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=de8545b1_0
What we discuss in this episode:
4:34 – Introducing today’s guest and topic
6:53 – The anesthesia care team model
11:24 – Background on QZ billing
14:15 – Supervision
16:45 – How will affect the future of anesthesia?
22:48 – What does the average anesthetist make?
26:03 – Outcomes vs amount spent
30:57 – Solutions for the future
35:49 – What patients think of their care
37:02 – Problems with employer-based insurance system
38:34 – Two options we face
42:46 – CRNAs in good position
44:10 – Lightning Round