
Beyond The Mask: Innovation & Opportunities For CRNAs
A podcast for the CRNA industry. Discussing the important issues that happen both in, and beyond, the operating room. With Sharon Pearce, DNP, CRNA, FAANA, FAAN and Jeremy Stanley, EA, CFP, AIF. Innovations & opportunities for CRNAs & APRNs. Visit our website for more great information https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ and to learn how you can get CE Credit as a CRNA just by listening to the podcast. Don’t miss our special series on CRNA History, CRNA Personal Finance & Retirement, Political Conversations, CRNA Career Issues, and our leadership series called Courage To Lead. Check out new episodes of Beyond The Mask every week with distinguished guests from the CRNA community... #anesthesiology #rn #surgery #healthcare #nurseanesthesiologist #crnaschool #nursing #srnalife #nurselife #nursingstudent #ornurse #nurseanesthesia #crnalife #nursepractitioner #medschool #anesthesialife #scrublife #icunurse #hospital #futurecrna #medical #crna #nurse #anesthesia #srna #nurseanesthetist #nurses #surgical #operatingtheatre #medicalstudent #operatingroomnurse #studentnurse #diversitycrna #ccrn #nursepractitioner #APRN #APRNchat #NPchat #midwife #NP
Latest episodes

Apr 7, 2022 • 46min
Ep 175: Why More Nurses Need to Be Elected to Congress
As we approach another round of midterm elections, we wanted to introduce you to one of the few nurses around the country that hopes to represent her state in Congress. Renee Ellmers is running again in North Carolina after previously serving three terms and she’s doing so with the goal of improving access to healthcare in our country. We’ll also discuss why it matters to have nurses representing our profession as elected leaders and how it might have made a difference in a recent ruling in Tennessee.
How to help Renee's campaign: https://www.reneeellmers.com/
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
2:18 – Renee’s view of healthcare and why she’s running
5:45 – Why nurses make good elected officials
7:06 – Getting full practice authority
9:08 – Quality of care
11:57 – Restrictions lifted during COVID
13:59 – What can be done?
16:57 – Current nurses in politics
19:03 – Why are nurses elected more?
21:58 – Surprises in Washington
23:24 – Nurse in Tennessee convicted
27:54 – Did the lack of representation impact the ruling?
29:35 – The precedent it set
32:05 – How nurses can help her
35:23 – Advice for nurses
37:09 – Lightning Round

Mar 31, 2022 • 45min
Ep 174: Anesthesia Practice Considerations When Dealing with a Methamphetamine Patient
With the rise in methamphetamine use across the country, CRNAs need to be prepared to provide anesthesia to a substance use disorder patient. Jenny Krogh, CRNA, has noticed several misconceptions and conflicting management of patients who have used methamphetamines through her time working and researching. Today she joins us to explain the effects of methamphetamines on the body and clarifies some of the inaccuracies.
Read her research: https://www.apsf.org/article/practice-considerations-for-the-anesthesia-professional-for-methamphetamine-substance-use-disorder-patients/
Learn more about financial planning: https://www.crnafinancialplanning.com/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
2:39 – Introducing our guest
5:28 – Why we are talking about this
7:14 – The use of meth in patients
8:52 – Why words are important
10:21 – Neurochemistry
14:39 – Chasing the high
17:59 – How meth use changes anesthesia
20:44 – Treating hypertension
23:01 – How it affects work in the OB
28:09 – Use of Ketamine
30:20 – Her research
34:04 – Final thoughts
37:21 – Lightning Round

Mar 24, 2022 • 33min
Ep 173: When Guessing Goes Wrong for CRNAs in Retirement
When planning for retirement, many CRNAs end up guessing at some of the most important questions. You’d never enter an operating room unprepared so why risk everyone you’ve worked so hard for throughout your career by not having a plan in place? Today we’ll get answers to these key financial questions so you don’t have to play the guessing game.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Learn more about financial planning: https://www.crnafinancialplanning.com/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:10 – What we’re talking about today
5:25 – How much monthly income will you need?
7:07 – Trying to determine lifespans
8:22 – Underestimating your needs
10:32 – Monthly average income needs
12:53 – Planning for major purchases
15:16 – Millennials are savers
16:48 – Inflation
18:03 – Interest rates
21:38 – Healthcare costs
26:35 – Final thoughts

Mar 17, 2022 • 1h 17min
Ep 172: Remembering the True Leadership of Patrick Downey
In November of 2021, the AANA lost a great man in Patrick Downey. This former president and patriarch of the Diamond Club served as a CRNA for more than 50 years and impacted many lives along the way. It’s fitting that this St. Patrick’s Day episode is a look back at his incredible life and the work he did for nurse anesthesia.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:47 – The loss of Patrick Downey in 2021
4:45 – The AANA Diamond Club
8:01 – Role Patrick played in the club
9:45 – Patrick’s early life
11:50 – Education and marriage
13:56 – Anesthesia highlights
16:35 – Time as AANA president
22:23 – Goals and challenges
29:50 – Outreach away from operating room
32:29 – Viable public relations program
34:15 – The money in anesthesia
42:50 – His message to anesthesia
47:27 – His passing in 2021
52:08 – Patrick Downey Montage

Mar 10, 2022 • 59min
Ep 171: Health and Wellness for the CRNA
Long hours and high stress is typically a recipe for poor health, which is why it’s always good to get a reminder to put ourselves and our bodies first. That can be difficult for CRNAs, who are trained to prioritize the needs of others. That’s why we wanted to bring on master nutritionist Donnell Carter, MBA, MS, CRNA to give us the information and motivation we need to take steps towards a healthier lifestyle.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:20 – Welcome in Donnell
5:18 – Time in the Navy
7:11 – Event that changed his life
12:18 – Going to anesthesia school
14:25 – How CRNAs can integrate health and wellness
19:04 – Master nutritionist
21:33 – His services
22:40 – Coaching
29:53 – Fighting depression
36:59 – Obesity’s role in the pandemic
43:33 – Final thoughts
45:20 – Lightning round

Mar 3, 2022 • 60min
Ep 170: The History of TEFRA and How It Changed Anesthesia
Forty years have passed since the Tax, Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) became law and this piece of federal legislation changed the way payment and reimbursement was tracked. Today we’ll look back on the history of TEFRA with Nancy Bruton-Maree, CRNA, and Sandy Ouellette, CRNA, to learn more about the reasons behind it, how the AANA responded, and what revisions have been made through the years.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:00 – What we’re talking about today
5:05 – Why was TEFRA implemented?
8:04 – Quality of care standard
9:33 – What the practice used to look like?
14:27 – Preparing practitioners
15:36 – What the original rules said
20:32 – Medical supervision and direction
26:56 – 7 conditions of payment
28:49 – AANA’s reaction to TEFRA
31:23 – Concerns between 1993 to 1998
34:32 – Proposed revisions
37:45 – What is immediately available
40:44 – Current TEFRA rules
44:20 – Any updated revisions?
47:15 – Physicians starting schools
51:15 – A book recommendation
52:02 – Final thoughts

Feb 24, 2022 • 49min
Ep 169: CRNA Advocacy in Pennsylvania and the Lessons Learned
Today we want to shine the advocacy spotlight on the work being done by CRNAs in Pennsylvania, who have helped drive some significant changes in their state. Laura Wiggins, DNP, CRNA and Jessica Poole, DNAP, CRNA are two of the nurses involved in shaping the legislation and they join us to share the details on what’s happening in the Keystone State and what it means for all of us in the profession.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:05 – Welcome Jessica and Laura
4:32 – Background on Jessica
6:29 – Background on Laura
7:59 – Legislation they’ve been working on
11:11 – The opposition to it
13:03 – Board of Nursing’s position
14:52 – Who makes these designations?
18:38 – Other changes they’ve gotten enacted
22:15 – The physician requirement of Act 60
23:38 – Getting students involved in legislative issues
25:29 – Relationship with lobbyists
27:03 – Developing relationships with legislators
30:07 – Compensating CRNAs to advocate
32:41 – Networking support from other groups
39:06 – CRNA practice during COVID in PA
41:12 – Getting involved in advocacy

Feb 17, 2022 • 41min
Ep 168: A Free App Created to Improve Anesthesia
Time is of the essence in the operating room, and it’s important that you’re able to track down the information you need as quickly as possible. Thanks to technology, this process is becoming much more efficient. Today we’ll introduce you to Matthew Willis, DNP, CRNA, the person who developed, coded and maintains the educational app Master Anesthesia. Find out how this app is changing the way nurse anesthetists are able to track down information and make instant calculations right from their phones.
Get the app: https://masteranesthesia.com
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
2:35 – What we’re talking about
3:53 – Matthew’s background
5:26 – What the app does
9:25 – Developing the app
12:50 – Why provide all this for free?
19:38 – How long did the coding take
23:45 – Capabilities of the app
25:49 – The calculator
29:22 – The future of the app
31:49 – His costs
33:42 – How can CRNAs get involved

Feb 10, 2022 • 1h 1min
Ep 167: In Search of the First Anesthetists
The history of the nurse anesthesia profession is a bit murky as records weren’t kept well through the years as medicine and healthcare progressed, but there are opinions on who the first anesthetist was. Today we’ll examine the most likely candidates with our historians Nancy Bruton-Maree, CRNA, and Sandy Ouellette, CRNA, and try to determine who can claim the title of the real first anesthetist.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
3:00 – Background on this topic
6:36 – History books on anesthesia
10:21 – Historical information
15:08 – Humphry Davy
16:16 – Crawford Long
17:51 – Horace Wells
19:27 – William Morton
22:35 – James Simpson
23:06 – John Snow
28:39 – The real first anesthetist according to AANA
33:56 – Who was in the earliest American hospitals?
38:08 – Disputes
40:44 – The role nuns played
42:58 – The evolution of names for anesthetists
46:32 – Sandy’s opinion on first anesthetists
48:21 – Final thoughts
Resources mentioned on the show:
The Wondrous Story of Anesthesia
The Etherist Podcast
The Global Voice for Nurse Anesthesia - IFNA (1989-2021)

Feb 3, 2022 • 43min
Ep 166: How Elevated Ambient Noise in the OR Impacts Health & Safety
It’s something outside people might never think about but ambient noise can have a direct impact on the health of CRNAs and the safety of the patients. Many people working in operating rooms don’t realize the effect that elevated noise levels can have and there might be different reasons for that. But we wanted to bring Marianne Cosgrove, CRNA, DNAP, APRN, PhD, onto the show to tell us more about the research she’s done in this area and what she’s found.
Read more: http://beyondthemaskpodcast.com
About our guest: https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/marianne_cosgrove/
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
What we discuss in this episode:
2:06 – Welcome in our guest today
4:15 – Where did this interest come from?
6:45 – Sharon’s background in this subject
7:56 – Her study
13:27– Sound levels in the OR
15:43 – Return on the surveys
18:35 – Other survey findings
20:00 – Other contributors to the noise
22:42 – CRNAs reaction to this
26:41 – Patient safety
29:54 – How to mitigate the noise
34:44 – Lightning Round