
The Divine Council Worldview Podcast
Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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Mar 25, 2024 • 1h 41min
EP005: The Story of Genesis 3: Does it Predict that Jesus Will Crush Satan?
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the temptation and fall of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3. They debate the possible options presented by the serpent to Eve: was the temptation to become like “God,” or to become like himself, an elohim? And what did it mean for Adam and Eve to fear their “nakedness” when Yahweh entered the garden? The curses upon the snake, Eve, and Adam are lastly considered, specifically the famous “proto-gospel” passage of 3:15 which finds the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent. Could this “seed” be referring to Jesus?

Mar 18, 2024 • 52min
EP004: Let's Consider if Genesis 1 & 2 Describe Separate Creation Stories
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the creation account of humanity and the implications of being made to be like/as divine beings (the “us” of Genesis 1:26). They “test drive” the possibility that Genesis 1 and 2 offer separate creation accounts, with Adam and Eve being formed and placed into a garden after an existing world had been populated with many plants, animals, and humans. The benefit of this option, as they understand it, is the later narrative of Genesis 4, where Cain appears to enter a populated world after his murder of Abel. Ronn refers to a recent book by S. Joshua Swamidass (“The Genealogical Adam and Eve”) which gives scientific support to the idea that a historical Adam and Eve provide the genealogical ancestry for the entire human race. The Genealogical Adam and Eve: The Surprising Science of Universal Ancestry by S. Joshua Swamidass

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Mar 11, 2024 • 51min
EP003: Introducing Two Friends to the Podcast
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu introduce two friends who will be contributing to upcoming shows. Rich Baker and Mel were close followers and friends of Dr. Heiser and his ministry, and their goal will be to interview people from various cultures who have been impacted by Mike’s work. They will enjoy recounting where a divine council worldview has been introduced into local ministries and how it has made a difference. Because the seduction of other gods is still very real in our modern world, understanding what it means to worship Yahweh and his Son Jesus has never been more crucial. The speakers express gratitude for the opportunity to connect with each other and witness this unique work in bringing people together for the sake of Christ.

Mar 4, 2024 • 1h 9min
EP002: Creation and the Image of God in Genesis 1
Exploration of Divine Council worldview in Genesis 1, Hebrew translation of elohim, significance of non-evangelical scholarship, interpretation of creation days, and 'let us make man in our image' discussion.

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Feb 23, 2024 • 1h
EP001: Introduction to the Divine Council Podcast
In this podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the divine council worldview, the concept of loyalty to Jesus and God, believers becoming divine in the next age, the role of gods in the next world, theosis, and glorification. They also explore various topics often discussed within a divine council worldview and plan to dive into Genesis in future episodes.
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