
The Hidden Curriculum
The Hidden Curriculum is a podcast on all the topics you wanted to learn in (econ) graduate school. There are lots of things about the profession that you only hear if you have a great mentor or during networking opportunities. This podcast aims to help decrease that knowledge gap by bringing that information into your headphones!
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Email: hiddencurriculumpodcast@gmail.com
Latest episodes

Apr 27, 2021 • 44min
E20 - Learn about the National Economic Association with Dania Francis
This week we talk with Dania Francis about the National Economic Association (NEA). Dania is an Assistant Professor of Economics at University of Massachusetts Boston. Her current research involves using experimental and quasi-experimental methods to identify structural causes of racial and socioeconomic academic achievement gaps. She received her doctorate from Duke University and also holds a master’s degree from Harvard University and a bachelor’s degree from Smith College. She is also a board member of the National Economics Association and a National Academies of Education/Spencer Foundation Postdoctoral Fellowship.
She is also in the board of the NEA. From the NEA's site: The National Economic Association (NEA) was founded in 1969 as the Caucus of Black Economists to promote the professional lives of minorities within the profession. In addition to continuing its founding mission, the organization is particularly interested in producing and distributing knowledge of economic issues that are of exceptional interest to promoting economic growth among native and immigrant African Americans, Latinos, and other people of color.
Dania has really interesting research on biases in schooling, you can find more information on her site: https://www.daniafrancis.com/research
We made reference to the minority report. Which is not the movie, but a report created by CSMGEP. The Minority Report, an annual newsletter, jointly with the American Society of Hispanic Economists (ASHE) and the National Economic Association (NEA). [Link here]
If you are interested in research that related to the topic of race, check out the great work put out by two journals: The Review of Black Political Economy and the Journal of Race, Economics and Uncertainty
Dania's recommendation of the week is a cooking tip or maybe a cleaning tip? The tip is "Don't out FOG down the drain". FOG meaning, Fats, Oils, and Grease or anything that constitutes within that category.
Sebastian's recommendation of the week is to check the YouTube Channel from Ali Abdaal. He is an MD from London and has a lot of tips on productivity. Sebastian finds his demeanor refreshing and entertaining.
Alex's recommendation is to get a kitchen thermometer! A simple kitchen tool that can greatly improve your cooking!

Mar 9, 2021 • 49min
E19 - Tips on navigating the tenure track with a young family with Lindsey Bullinger
In this episode we talk with Lindsey Bullinger about her experience dealing with raising a child, while having a partner that works a lot!. Lindsey is n Assistant Professor in the School of Public Policy at Georgia Tech. Her research examines how public policies affect children and families’ health and well-being, especially low-income families. Lindsey has started to work on how the pandemic has affected domestic violence. She has a paper forthcoming at the American Journal of Health Economics (link here). She also wrote a piece for the Ashecon Newsletter talking about measuring domestic violence and child maltreatment (link here). Her work has been published in American Journal of Health Economics, Journal of Health Economics, Journal of Policy Analysis & Management, Review of Economics of the Household, Contemporary Economic Policy, ANNALS of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Housing Policy Debate, Children and Youth Services Review, Health Services Research, American Journal of Public Health, JAMA Pediatrics, and Maternal and Child Health Journal. It has been funded by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the Doris Duke Charitable Foundation, the Horowitz Foundation for Social Policy, the Spencer Foundation, and Pew Charitable Trusts. She earned my Ph.D. from Indiana University in April 2018.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Lindsey's recommendation is to take "work walks". This means, having your schedule "zoom-meetings" as a phone conversation in which you can walk and talk at the same time. Two birds, one-stone!
Alex's recommendation of the week is the book "Statistical Rethinking", is a book that helps introduce Bayesian statistics from an intuitive way! In addition to the book, the author Richard McElreath has recorded lectures on Bayesian statistic that pair will with the book.
Sebastian's recommendation of the week is the application Castro. This is an app to consume podcasts. The main feature that makes it different from others is that you can set it up as an inbox, where you decide which episodes you want to listen or not. Is a great tool when you follow several podcasts, but you don't really want to listen to all episodes.

Feb 23, 2021 • 54min
E18 - Tips on mentoring graduate students with Trevon Logan
In this episode we talk with Trevon Logan about his workflow & tips for mentoring. Trevon is the Hazel C. Youngberg Distinguished Professor of Economics and Dean, College of Arts and Sciences at "The" Ohio State University. Trevon holds a BS from University of Wisconsin, and PhD in economics from Berkeley. He is also an NBER fellow and director of the AEA mentoring program! He currently serves on the editorial boards of Explorations in Economic History, Historical Methods and Demographic Research. Professor Logan specializes in economic history, economic demography and applied microeconomics.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Recommendations of the week:
Trevon's recommendation of the week is try different vinegars! Lots of things to explore so why not try a different vinegar on your next stop at the supermarket
Alex's recommendation is to use "issues" in Github to communicate with co-authors as oppose to emails! It almost work like chat for a specific project.
Sebastian's recommendation is to add a bit of evaporated milk in your "home" ramen. Makes things more creamy. I got this tip Dr. Guanyi Yang. Second is to use the "Archive" feature in your email. Start using it now and start clearing your inbox! Archiving just puts emails in a folder and out of your inbox, so if you've dealt with something, then archive it.

Feb 16, 2021 • 40min
E17 - Tips on prioritizing mental and physical health with Jevay Grooms
This week we talk with Jevay Grooms. Jevay is an Assistant Professor with the Department of Economics at Howard University. She is an applied microeconomist with research areas of interests that lie at the intersection of public economics, health economics, and studies of poverty and inequality.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Notes:
Jevay talked about National Panel Study of COVID-19, which is a on-going survey with questions regarding how people have been affected by COVID19. Jevay has a set of papers using these data set and you can find more information about them here. She also has a piece summarizing what we know on how COVID has affected people's mental health on the Ashecon newsletter which can be found here. Finally she wanted to promote the AEA summer program. A program by the American Economic Association aimed at underrepresented people in the economics profession who are thinking about going to a PhD program in Economics but are not quite sure. This is a great program for them!
Jevay's recommendation of the week is a quote from the CDC: "Be Kind to your Mind". It's a simple quote that reminds us that as we need to be kind to other people, our bodies, we also need to be kind to our minds. Keep that in mind ;).
Sebastian's recommendation of the week is to think about two quotes at the same time: "Perfect is the enemy of good" and "Incremental is the enemy of the fundamental". These are two things that are always at odd with each other, specially in the policy making world. Be aware of who is making what type of argument when talking to people!
Alex's recommendation of the week is to use headspace! an app that helps your with relaxation and "winding" down, specially right before going to bed.

Feb 9, 2021 • 46min
E16 - Tips on how to connect research and policy with Delegate Sally Hudson
In this episode we talk with Delegate Sally Hudson about her transition out of academia into public service. Sally is labor economist who studies recruiting and retention in the public sector. In addition to being a teacher and a community organizer she is also a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, representing the 57th district. She holds a PhD in Economics from MIT and a BA from Sandford. In this podcast she shared what her journey was and her take on how junior and non-juniors could start thinking about affecting policy.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Recommendations of the week:
Sally came in with a cooking-rec of the week and that is to put peanut sauce on pizza! Try it before you form opinions! Our second recommendation of the week is from Alex, and he recommends to try marmite as a seasoning item. Put it in your chili and let us know! Sebastian's cooking recommendation is to have hoisin sauce at home. It's somewhat sweet, deep sauce that goes with most things!
Alex has another-one (cue DJ Khaled) which is to check Color Brewer 2. It's a website you can thinker with to find a combination of colors that are friendly towards individual with color-blindness.

Jan 5, 2021 • 45min
S1E15 -Tips on how to approach co-author relationships with Ebehi Iyoha
Ebehi Iyoha, a PhD student in Economics, discusses tips on working with co-authors, setting expectations, and divvying up labor. The podcast also explores her participation in 'NaNoWriMo,' book recommendations, and insights on navigating co-author relationships in academia.

Dec 24, 2020 • 36min
S1E14 - Tips to prepare for online interviews and presentation with Trang Hoang
In this episode, we talk with Trang Hoang about preparing for video interviews and presentations. Trang is a Ph.D. Candidate in the Department of Economics at Vanderbilt University. She was an International Economics Ph.D. Fellow at Dartmouth College in the fall of 2019. Her areas of research include international trade, development, and applied microeconometrics. Her job market paper has received two awards: one for "Best Graduate Student Paper" in the FREIT-EIIT conference and a second one for "Best Paper in Applied Economics" from the Econometric Society Winter School at the Delhi School of Economics. You can check it out here.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Show notes:
In this episode we talked about hardware that we use. We don't think you need to invest as much as we did, but if you want to know what we use, for microphone we use the Samson Q2U USB. For Webcam we both use the Logitech C920. We also recommend getting some "light" whether that's coming from a ring light, or a lamp.
In terms of recommendation of the week, Trang recommends getting and Apple iPad with the apple pencil. It's a pricey item but she feels she has gotten value out of it.
Sebastian's recommendation is to check the application called readwise. Is an application that takes the highlights you've made on many e-books or articles and sends you an email with some of those highlights every so often. This is a great way to "remember" what you once highlighted.
Alex's recommendation of the week is the paper "The Environmental Bias of Trade Policy" by Joseph S. Shapiro. Here the abstract of that article: "This paper describes a new fact, then analyzes its causes and consequences: in most countries, import tariffs and non-tariff barriers are substantially lower on dirty than on clean industries, where an industry's “dirtiness” is defined as its carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions per dollar of output. This difference in trade policy creates a global implicit subsidy to CO2 emissions in internationally traded goods and so contributes to climate change. This global implicit subsidy to CO2 emissions totals several hundred billion dollars annually. The greater protection of downstream industries, which are relatively clean, substantially accounts for this pattern. The downstream pattern can be explained by theories where industries lobby for low tariffs on their inputs but final consumers are poorly organized. A quantitative general equilibrium model suggests that if countries applied similar trade policies to clean and dirty goods, global CO2 emissions would decrease and global real income would change little." (Click here)

Dec 16, 2020 • 49min
S1E13 - Tips to keep in mind while in graduate school with Marianne Bitler
In this episode we talk with Marianne Bitler on general tips to keep in mind while in graduate school. Marianne Bitler is a Professor of Economics at UC Davis. She is an applied microeconomist whose line of work lies within public economics, health economics and labor economics. She has also worked at UC Irvine, the Public Policy Institute of California, the RAND Corporation, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Trade Commission. She is a research associate with the National Bureau of Economic Research and a research fellow at IZA. She just completed chairing a National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine Panel on Improving Consumer Data for Food and Nutrition Policy Research for the Economic Research Service, USDA and she is a co-editor of the American Journal of Health Economics.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Show notes:
We refer to a "Failure CV". The path to have a "successful" CV is non-linear, and we usually only see people's success (i.e. published papers) but we don't get to see their failures. Doug Webber, has an example of this on his website.
Marianne's book recommendation is "Administrative Burden: Policymaking by other Means" Donald P. Moynihan (Author) Pamela Herd (Author). (click here)
Alex's recommendation of the week is to "print like a referee" so that you can see the tables and figures as referees may see them.
Sebastian's recommendation is the book "Range" by David Epstein. The thesis of the book is simple, in a world that values specialization, having "range" could prove a very useful tool to pair up with specialization. (click here). We talk about the book "Do the Work: Overcome Resistance and Get Out of Your Own Way" by Steven Pressfield (click here)
****************Contest Rules***********************
- You have to be a Job Market Candidate (Defined as someone who is finishing their PhD and going on the Job Market to get their first job after graduated school)
- Listen to today's episode and make a note of our guest's recommendation of the week
- Choose one of your favorite episode
- Send us an email to hiddencurriculumpodcast@gmail.com with Marianne's recommendation and your favorite episode! Also gives us your name and your email address. You could also leave us a voice message on Anchor, be sure to leave us your email and name!
- You have 7 days from the episode to make you submissions. That is, we will take submissions until December 23rd
- We will randomize the entries and pick a winner. We are hoping to announce the 1st winner on our subsequent podcast (we'll send you an email if you win)

Dec 8, 2020 • 53min
S1E12 How to approach networking with Jennifer Doleac
In this episode we talk about how to approach networking with Jennifer Doleac. Jennifer Doleac is an Associate Professor of Economics at Texas A&M University, and Director of the Justice Tech Lab. She is also a Research Fellow at IZA, and a Research Affiliate at the Institute for Research on Poverty, the University of Chicago Crime Lab, and the Wilson Sheehan Lab for Economic Opportunities. Jennifer studies crime and discrimination, with particular emphases on prisoner reentry and the effects of technology on public safety. She also organizes the Texas Economics of Crime Workshop (TxECW), and also has a podcast! Probable Causation, a podcast about law, economics, and crime.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia.
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University.
Show Notes
We referred to Parkinson's law, which is the adage that "work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion". For non-research tasks, Jen schedules a finite amount of time, and she aims to finish those task by the amount of time allotted. For research tasks, her schedule is more flexible as she just assigns a amount of time (e.g. 2 hours) but won't put a specific tasks to get done.
Jen also mentioned that she enjoys reading the book "The War of Art" right before a getting into a project to her get pumped up! Check this an other books recommendations in our ever-growing list of books recommended by our guests. (Click here).
Jen also recommends checking out gather.town and the podcast Women at Work (click here)
****************Contest Rules***********************
- You have to be a Job Market Candidate (Defined as someone who is finishing their PhD and going on the Job Market to get their first job after graduated school)
- Listen to today's episode and make a note of Jen's recommendation of the week
- Choose one of your favorite episode
- Send us an email to hiddencurriculumpodcast@gmail.com with Jen's recommendation and your favorite episode! Also gives us your name and your email address. You could also leave us a voice message on Anchor, be sure to leave us your email and name!
- You have 7 days from the episode to make you submissions. That is, we will take submissions until December 15th
- We will randomize the entries and pick a winner. We are hoping to announce the 1st winner on our subsequent podcast (we'll send you an email if you win)

Nov 19, 2020 • 35min
S1E11 - Transitioning from Private to Academia with Benjamin Hansen
In this episode we talk with Benjamin Hansen. Ben is the WE Miner Professor of Economics at the University of Oregon. He is an applied-micro economist whose research focuses on crime, health, and other topics in labor and public economics. We talk with Ben about this transition from the private-consulting sector to academia.
Sebastian Tello-Trillo is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Economics at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy in the University of Virginia. @dsebastiantello
Alex Hollingsworth is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs in Indiana University. @ajhollingsworth
Notes:
Ben recommends watch "unidentified" and learn the truth about unidentified objects in the world.
Alex recommends to check the app Zwift - an app for cyclers!
Sebastian recommends to schedule "calls" with friends and family. It may feel weird to put your loved ones in your schedule as a task, but it's a great way of getting it done!