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Leading Learning Podcast

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Apr 2, 2024 • 26min

403: Who or What Is Tagoras?

You can think of this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast as an origin story. Co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa Steele talk about the relationship between Leading Learning and Tagoras, about what Tagoras is and does, and about the start of Leading Learning. Along the way they touch on the kinds of things that learning businesses need to be able to do, whether through the skills and knowledge of their internal team or by looking for outside support. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode403.
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Mar 26, 2024 • 50min

402: A Curious Conversation About AI with Julian Stodd

Join guest Julian Stodd in a thought-provoking discussion on generative AI, exploring its philosophical depth and societal implications. Discover insights on working out loud, embracing failure, and the impact of AI on knowledge creation. Dive into 'Engines of Engagement' to explore the intersection of AI and learning science, sparking debates on societal and organizational impacts. Uncover how AI enhances learning experiences and supports lifelong learning, while maintaining authenticity in the writing process.
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Mar 19, 2024 • 28min

401: Developing Business for a Learning Business

Explore the essential role of business development skills in a successful learning business. Learn about the benefits of strategic partnerships and relationship cultivation for sustainable growth. Discover the importance of nurturing customer relationships and adopting a consultative approach. Dive into the advantages of collaborative partnerships with academic programs and other sectors. Understand the significance of investing in business development for maximizing reach and impact.
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Mar 12, 2024 • 30min

400: 20 x 20 Vision for Lifelong Learning

We’re at an important point in time for lifelong learning. Much is shifting and unsettled in how humans live and work. That unsettledness means opportunity if your learning business is willing to grapple with the uncertainty and shape a vision for its role in the lifelong learning market. In this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast, co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa Steele look at the current lifelong learning landscape, near-future trends, and the implications—and opportunities—for learning businesses. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode400.
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Mar 5, 2024 • 35min

399: Transformational Partnerships with Bruce Rosenthal

To realize their fundamental mission of developing and delivering learning products and services, learning businesses need revenue. Along with direct-to-learner fees for enrollments and registrations, sponsorship dollars are often a key part of that revenue equation. In this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast, co-host Jeff Cobb talks with Bruce Rosenthal. Bruce helps organizations create sponsorships and partnerships that increase revenue and value for all stakeholders. Jeff and Bruce talk about sponsorship versus partnership; the importance of thinking of “partner” as both noun and verb; why logos, visibility, and recognition are no longer a compelling value proposition; the growing emphasis on ROI and other trends in sponsorship; and COVID’s longtail impact on how sponsors engage. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode399.
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Feb 27, 2024 • 28min

398: The Difficulty of Desirable Difficulties

Learning businesses care about creating effective learning. Doing so is at the heart of why learning businesses exist. But what happens when effective learning practices clash with what learners want or what they believe is effective? That clash is precisely what Leading Learning Podcast co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa Steele explore in this episode, which looks at desirable difficulties and the specific difficulty desirable difficulties pose for learning businesses. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode398.
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Feb 20, 2024 • 19min

397: Learning and Education

Learning, education, and professional development are not the same. Similar, yes, interrelated even, but fundamentally and importantly different. If learning businesses take the parochial view of learning as merely education, they unnecessarily limit their impact and their possibilities. In this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast, co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa Steele explore the strategic importance of recognizing the differences between learning, education, and professional development. Learning encompasses informal experiences in addition to formal education and professional development, making it the broadest, more encompassing term. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode397.
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Feb 14, 2024 • 38min

396: Storytelling for Businesses with Park Howell

Everybody loves a good story. It’s what draws us to good books, good movies, good podcasts. And we know that good stories can draw prospective learners to us and the learning experiences we offer. But telling a good story is harder than it looks, particularly in the realm of business, where often too much emphasis is put on numbers, data, and building a case rather than appealing to emotions, human connection, familiar patterns, and satisfying hooks. If you listen to this episode, you’ll get a mini class in how to tell a good story for your learning business. Park Howell is the founder of the Business of Story. Park comes from the marketing world, where he ran his own advertising agency for 20 years. One of his big a-has is the and-but-therefore (ABT) agile narrative framework. Leading Learning Podcast co-host Celisa Steele talks with Park about the power of storytelling, its connection to how the human brain works, and how the ABT framework works at a conceptual and a practical level. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode396.
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Feb 6, 2024 • 15min

395: Digital Credentials Aren’t Valuable Unless…

Digital credentials aren’t as valuable on their own as they are in an ecosystem that uses open standards to connect learners and employers and where relevant data about skills achieved, pathways to new roles, and the needs of the job market intersect. In this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast, co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa talk about standards-based digital credentials being at tipping point and the need for learning businesses to adopt them in order to adapt to what learners are coming to expect when receiving a credential. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode395.
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Jan 30, 2024 • 27min

394: 3 Principles of Pricing

Learning businesses rely on the revenue that comes from their educational offerings. That means learning business professionals have to know how to determine the best pricing—the best pricing for attracting and converting prospective customers, the best pricing for maintaining and maximizing revenue levels, and the best pricing for achieving strategic goals. In this episode of the Leading Learning Podcast, co-hosts Jeff Cobb and Celisa Steele touch on three principles of pricing that can help: Prices prime perception, prices drive profit, and pricing is strategic. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at https://www.leadinglearning.com/episode394.

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