

THINNING OF THE VEIL
Tia Smith
Prophets past and present have encouraged us to seek to understand how to part the veil between heaven and earth. This podcast discusses the doctrines, principles and patterns of how the the thinning of the veil occurs when we are engaged in the gathering of Israel. Testimonies of these greater manifestations will also be shared in the hopes that we all may have the heavens opened to us in greater degrees.
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Nov 11, 2025 • 1h 21min
THE TEMPLE, OUR BODY, AND THE URIM AND THUMMIM
Urim and Thummim in Hebrew means, "lights and perfections". Within the context of the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ, we find added meaning to the most often used definition of a Urim and Thummim, being and instrument to translate languages. In the Endowment ceremony we find additional powers and insights to another meaning and use of a Urim and Thummim. We see in the pattern of the Brother of Jared, Aaron and his sons, and other scriptural patterns, that our bodies, as we gather Israel, can also become a type of Urim and Thummim as we enter into covenantal relationship with the Savior in the temple. In the latter days, Zion will come and those who reside in that Holy City will be revelatory beings of light patterned after their Savior, Jesus Christ, who will personally preside and reside in that sacred city. YouTube: The Temple, Our Body, and the Urim and Thummim Video: https://youtu.be/_YCEGp5_-60YouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQ SUPPORT THE SHOW: Website: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITATIONS:Revelation 2:17Bible Dictionary "Urim and Thummim"D&C 130:5-11Charles Rich, “Blessing the Result of Obedience, Etc., JD 19:249SEMINARY STUDY GUIDE- Understanding the Scriptures, Exodus 28Exodus 28: 29-30, 1 Samuel 30:7-8Thomas R. Valletta, “Jared and His Brother,” in The Book of Mormon: Fourth Nephi Through Moroni, From Zion to Destruction, ed. Monte S. Nyman and Charles D. Tate Jr. (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1995), 303–22.Ether 3:1, 4, 6, 14-16, 19-20, 23, 25EXODUS 29:4, 7, 20-21, 42-44Jasmin Rappleye, :The Anointing Ceremony in the Initiatory of Latter-day Saint Temples:, May 2021: https://templeendowment.wordpress.com/2021/05/15/the-anointing-ceremony-in-the-initiatory-of-latter-day-saint-temples/Isaiah 40:31Bible Hub “The Temple Vessels”Isaiah 52:11, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 1 Corinthians 3:16–17 David A. Bednar, Ye are the Temple of God”, CES Fireside, Sept. 2001 D&C 124:38-41, D&C 88:67 Orson Pratt, Heaven and Earth to Pass Away, Etc., JD 21:319, Revelation 21: 1-3, 11-12, 21-24, 26-37Carol Wilkinson, “Temple Symbolism of the Body,” Religious Educator 6, no. 1 (2005): 65–74.Bruce R. McConkie, "Thou Shalt Receive Revelation", October 1978Support the show

Nov 7, 2025 • 26min
THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN SHALL TURN: David A Bednar, Oct. 2011
In the work of the Gathering of Israel, we all have our parts to do and accomplish before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Elder Bednar describes the aspects of the work that we should be focused on and more importantly the blessings that come from being a savior on Mount Zion. The rising generation have a crucial role in making sure that this work moves forward at an unprecedented pace. If we will get out of their way, our children and grandchildren will literally change the world on both sides of the veil.YouTube The Hearts of the Children Shall Turn Video Link: https://youtu.be/rCh1_IlwAj4YouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQWebsite: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITATIONS:David A. Bednar, "The Hearts of the Children Shall Turn", Oct. 2011: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2011/10/the-hearts-of-the-children-shall-turn?lang=engSupport the show

Nov 6, 2025 • 25min
TURNING A REVELATORY EXPERIENCE INTO A TEMPLE OPPORTUNITY
In the Gathering of Israel, revelatory experiences can be quite commonplace. Some experiences are straightforward, others leaving you wondering what they were all about. Through revelation from the Holy Ghost, impressions, dreams, pressing upon one's mind, and other distinct ways can lead you to someone who needs help on the other side of the veil. The next step is navigating FamilySearch so that you can find your ancestors who need help. This episode shows you how to turn a revelatory experience about a needful ancestor into a temple opportunity that will eternally change your life and that of your ancestor's. YouTube: Turning a Revelatory Experience into a Temple Opportunity Video: https://youtu.be/lIDWP-_I0CUYouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQ FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/SUPPORT THE SHOW:Website: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilSupport the show

Nov 5, 2025 • 33min
CHLOE'S PARTING OF THE VEIL EXPERIENCES
In studying D&C 128:18, it says, " ...things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times." In this episode, Chloe Chambers, a young single adult, explains the revelatory process of seeking to find ancestors that need help. She details how she received these answers through several thinning of the veil experiences. Truly in this last dispensation our children and grand children will receive knowledge that will allow the work of the Gathering of Israel to hasten in unprecedented, miraculous ways!YouTube "Chloe's Parting of the Veil Experiences" Video: https://youtu.be/jykHmW5kslAWebsite: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilSupport the show

Nov 4, 2025 • 1h 12min
THE REVELATORY PATTERN OF SALVATION: D&C 128
Under extreme duress, Joseph Smith received a revelation that would change the trajectory of all persons on both sides of the veil. In this episode the patterns of the thinning of the veil and principles related to the hastening of the work in D&C 128, are discussed at length. The prophet testifies about the power and role of young people in the final dispensation. The glories and manifestations that as a church we will experience because of these mighty sons and daughters of God is truly remarkable. Their zeal and foreordained destiny to change the world is literally being played out in front of our eyes and the glories of eternities can and will be revealed through their revelatory experiences. D&C 128 is a psalm to all those who are diligent in their callings to be Saviors on Mount Zion. YouTube: The Revelatory Pattern of Salvation Video: https://youtu.be/j74CMVChlqkYouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQ SUPPORT THE SHOW: Website: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITATIONS: Joseph Smith, TPJS, 137JSH 1:38-39, D&C 137:5-6, D&C 110: 13-15, D&C 128:1,5,11,18-24, D&C 135:1D&C 128:18, Joel 2:28, Alma 32:23, 3 Nephi 26:14Wendy Nelson , “Hope of Israel”, June 2018Russell M. Nelson, The Lord Jesus Christ will Come Again”, Oct. 2024John Taylor JD 5:237, Communism—Sectarianism—Etc.Orson Pratt, JD 19:168, The Outpouring of the Spirit, Etc.David A. Bednar, “The Spirit and Purposes of Gathering”, October 31, 2006David A. Bednar, “The Hearts of the Children Shall Turn”, Oct. 2011Joseph Smith, TPJS 309, Joseph Smith, (History of the Church, 3:380)Orson Pratt, JD 19:204 “King Limhi’s Enquiry, Etc”.David A. Bednar, 2020 Temple and Family History Leadership InstructionJoseph Smith, TPJS 309Bible Dictionary “Priest”, "High Priest"Doctrine and Covenants 84:20Hebrews 5: 1,9-10New Testament Study Guide for Home-Study Seminary StudentsRichard G. Scott, “The Joy of Redeeming the Dead”, Oct. 2012Preach My Gospel: A Guide to Sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Chapter 4Deseret News, Tad Walch : The stamp President Nelson is putting on Latter-day Saint language, Published: April 5, 2021, 12:17 p.m. MDTPreach My Gospel Chapter 11 “How Do I Help People Make and Keep Commitments?”Support the show

Oct 31, 2025 • 33min
ANGELS, CHARIOTS & THE LORD OF HOSTS: Donald W. Parry, BYU Speech, 2012
Donald W. Parry is a BYU professor who studies and teaches, the Hebrew Bible. This particular speech was given on July 31, 2012. In this talk, he quite extensively talks about angels by looking at the patterns through out the ages of heavenly messengers visiting the earth. Elder Parry, teaches that angels have always been involved in helping those living in mortality to accomplish the work of the Savior, Jesus Christ. While it is true that much is not known about these heavenly beings, the Lord has revealed quite a lot of doctrine surrounding this help from heaven. This BYU speech teaches the patterns that we all can be looking for when it comes to experiencing angels in our own lives. We just need to have eyes to see and ears to hear. YouTube "Angels, Chariots & The Lord of Hosts" Video Link: https://youtu.be/3PP68SrHS3kYouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQWebsite: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITATIONS:Donald W. Parry, "Angels, Chariots & The Lord of Hosts", BYU Speech, July 31, 2012: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/donald-w-parry/angels-chariots-and-the-lord-of-hosts/Support the show

Oct 30, 2025 • 19min
NEW!!! EXPERIMENTAL FAMILYSEARCH LAB- FAMILY ORDINANCE OPPORTUNTIES
There are always new and exciting things happening at FamilySearch. All are intended to help us be more efficient and effective in the Gathering of Israel. Colette currently works at the FamilySearch Library in Salt Lake, and knows about all the new and exciting things happening behind the scenes. In this episode she instructs about one of those new opportunities. A new way of finding family ordinance opportunities, with the click of the button, is in it's experimental phase at FamilySearch. Colette shows how this new experiment works and how one can access and use it. The answer is "No!" Your family's work is not all done. This video will give you all the evidence you need to keep going, to keep finding, and to keep saving!YouTube: Experimental FamilySearch Lab- Family Ordinance Opportunities Video: https://youtu.be/SEiu3jn6nt4 YouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQ FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/SUPPORT THE SHOW:Website: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilSupport the show

Oct 29, 2025 • 28min
HAROLD B. LEE BLESSED BY AN ANGEL: "Stand Ye in Holy Places:, Apr. 1973
In General Conference 1973, President Harold B. Lee gave a talk titled, "Stand Ye in Holy Places". He begins by teaching the importance of service in the Lord's Kingdom. The commands to comfort those that stand in need of comfort, to bear one another's burdens, and come into the fold of God. He encourages, "The great call has come now in the sermons of the brethren to aid those who are in need of aid, not just temporal aid, but spiritual aid...Who of us, in whatever station we may have been in, have not needed strengthening?" President Lee then relates a singular transcendent experience that happened when he was serving the Lord and needed help, that he did not even know he needed. An angel from the other side of the veil came to his rescue, allowing President Lee to continue on in the Lord's work. Heaven is so very real, and angels are sent to minister to us, as we minister to others. YouTube "Harold B. Lee Blessed by an Angel" Video: https://youtu.be/egK9zWkEYgMYouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: YouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQWebsite: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITIATIONS:Harold B. Lee, "Stand Ye in Holy Places", April 1973: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1973/04/stand-ye-in-holy-places?lang=engSupport the show

Oct 28, 2025 • 1h 32min
COKEVILLE SURVIVORS SPEAK: Conversation with Jeromy Jamison and Brad Nate
On May 16, 1986, in Cokeville, Wyoming, an unimaginable tragedy happened. A school of elementary aged children was taken over by two deranged individuals, David and Doris Young. They brought with them numerous weapons, including a gasoline bomb. Their intent was to get rich by holding hostages and requiring a ransom. After they rounded up everyone in the school into one small classroom, their plan started to unwind, eventually leading to the bomb exploding in the classroom. The only people who died from that explosion where David and Doris Young. While others had some injuries not one of the children or adults died. How did this happen? Heaven was in the room that day. Each survivor has their own testimony of the veil being thin, and on this episode, two of the survivors, Jeromy Jamison and Brad Nate, recount their miraculous interventions. Truly they were being watched over from the other side of the veil. Jarica Jamison, Jeromy's daughter, preforms a song titled "Miracle", in honor of those who survived and continue to choose living as the Savior would have them live. All who have overcome trauma and continue to choose Jesus Christ are truly Miracles in every sense of the word and heaven is cheering them on in their work still to do. YouTube: Cokeville Survivors Speak Video: https://youtu.be/8ZpmaBfwAj8The Cokeville Miracle Movie: https://youtu.be/pc6_QGO5me0?si=Srxiq_T4-7Mw778UJarica Jamison Media Links: https://linktr.ee/jaricajamisonYouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQ SUPPORT THE SHOW: Website: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilSupport the show

Oct 26, 2025 • 21min
THE BROTHER OF JARED AT THE VEIL: M. Catherine Thomas, 1993
M. Catherine Thomas is a scholar of the gospel of Jesus Christ and who taught at BYU in the Ancient Scripture Department. She has authored numerous articles and books. This episode is a reading of her article called "The Brother of Jared at the Veil", which was included at a BYU Symposium. Catherine describes in detail the relationship between our own journey within the temple endowment and the Brother of Jared's own journey through the wilderness and eventually coming to his own temple mount. Every detail of the Brother of Jared's experience relates to the ordinances, covenants, and symbolism in our own endowment process, and she teaches that every invitation extended to the Brother of Jared is also extended to us in the holy temples. YouTube "The Brother of Jared at the Veil Video Link: https://youtu.be/i5udyfCiWZ4YouTube Thinning of the Veil Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCAA9WnYhYvCp1ffCe-AGUQQWebsite: Thinning of the Veil: https://www.thinningoftheveil.com/Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/thinningoftheveilPayPal: https://paypal.me/thinningoftheveil?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USBook: "Patterns of Revelation": https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Revelation-Spiritual-Foundations-Hearing-ebook/dp/B0BWGLZ8VXEmail: tia@thinningoftheveil.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thinning.of.the.veil/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thinning.of.the.veil/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinning.of.the.veilCITATIONS:Thomas, Catherine. "The Brother of Jared at the Veil." Temples of the Ancient World: Sixth Annual F.A.R.M.S. Symposium. Provo, UT: Brigham Young Univ, F.A.R.M.S., 1993. 388-98.: file:///C:/Users/tia19/Downloads/CH%2013%20The%20brother%20of%20Jared%20at%20the%20veil%20(2).pdfSupport the show


