
School of War
This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.Visit our Substack for episode transcriptsFollow along on Instagram
Latest episodes

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Jul 15, 2025 • 58min
Ep 214: Bryan Clark on the Coming Sensor War with China
Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a submariner, shares his insights on the potential for conflict with China. He delves into the evolving role of sensor technology in warfare and discusses the U.S.'s challenges, particularly concerning Taiwan. Clark highlights the complexities of military command structures in China, emphasizing the dual roles of political officers. He also explores how to deter adversaries through deception and the importance of adaptive leadership in chaotic environments.

Jul 8, 2025 • 58min
Ep 213: Paul Lay on Cromwell and the English Civil War
In this discussion, Paul Lay, Senior Editor of Engelsberg Ideas and author of *Providence Lost*, unpacks the complex world of the English Civil War. He explores Cromwell's unexpected rise from minor gentry to military leader, detailing how this shaped the Commonwealth. Lay intriguingly connects Cromwell's governance to modern political figures like Margaret Thatcher, revealing the historical echoes in today's political landscape. He also examines anti-Catholic sentiment and how 17th-century English struggles influenced American political thought.

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Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 1min
Ep 212: Arnold Punaro on Fighting in Vietnam and Washington
Arnold Punaro, a retired USMC Major General with 35 years of military experience, shares gripping tales of his service in Vietnam and later in Washington, D.C. He recounts intense jungle battles, the camaraderie among soldiers, and his harrowing injuries. Punaro discusses the complexities of decision-making in wartime and the emotional toll on returning veterans. He also addresses the intricacies of the Senate confirmation process, emphasizing the need for qualified leaders in government and advocating for reforms to improve military reporting accuracy.

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Jul 1, 2025 • 54min
Ep 211: Daniel Samet on the Origins of the U.S.-Israel Relationship
Daniel Samet, a George P. Shultz Fellow, explores the intricate history of the U.S.-Israel relationship. He delves into President Truman's swift recognition of Israel just 11 minutes after its declaration and the geopolitical tensions of the late 1940s. Samet highlights the complexities of U.S. support for Israel amid the Cold War, the impact of Soviet-Arab relations, and pivotal moments like the USS Liberty incident and the Yom Kippur War. This rich discussion reveals how strategic decisions shaped alliances and continue to influence modern Middle Eastern dynamics.

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Jun 27, 2025 • 39min
Ep 210: Scott Boorman on Sun Tzu
Scott Boorman, a Yale Sociology professor and author of Three Faces of Sun Tzu, dives deep into the strategic brilliance of Sun Tzu. He discusses the significance of 'knowing your enemy' and how ancient texts apply to modern military strategies. Boorman also explores the absence of siege warfare in Sun Tzu's teachings, arguing it reflects weak leadership. The conversation highlights the cost-effectiveness of conflicts and the need for a unified understanding of Sun Tzu's ideas, bridging historical context with contemporary applications.

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Jun 24, 2025 • 36min
Ep 209: Jonathan Schanzer on the Israel-Iran Ceasefire
Jonathan Schanzer, executive director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a Middle East expert, shares gripping insights from his time in Israel during the conflict. He discusses the psychological resilience of Israelis living under threat, contrasting moments of calm with intense anxiety. Schanzer also unpacks the implications of the recent Israel-Iran ceasefire, examining geopolitical tensions and the complexities of U.S. diplomacy in the region. His personal escape story showcases the challenges faced amid chaos and the strength found in resilience.

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Jun 22, 2025 • 45min
Ep 208: Mike Doran on America’s Strikes in Iran
Mike Doran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and expert on Middle Eastern affairs, shares his insights on America’s recent military strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. He discusses the complexities of U.S.-Iran relations and predictions for future escalation. The conversation also touches on America's evolving military strategies, the shifting dynamics with Israeli cooperation, and the role of political figures in shaping foreign policy. Doran emphasizes the intricate balance of power and the potential consequences of these military actions.

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Jun 20, 2025 • 43min
Ep 207: Mark Dubowitz on the Israel-Iran War and American Intervention
Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, shares his expertise on Iran's nuclear program and Middle Eastern geopolitics. He dives into Israel's recent military actions against Iran, highlighting the efficacy of the Israeli Air Force. The discussion also covers the challenges of missile defense and Iran's nuclear advancements. Dubowitz argues for the necessity of American intervention to maintain regional stability and deter Iran’s nuclear ambitions, while weighing the complexities of military engagement and historical precedents.

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Jun 17, 2025 • 50min
Ep 206: Cleo Paskal on China’s Central Pacific Strategy
Cleo Paskal, a non-resident senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and author of Crossroads of Competition, dives into China's strategic maneuvers in the Central Pacific. She highlights the historical significance of these islands during WWII and their current geopolitical relevance. Paskal discusses China's investments in infrastructure and the impact on local governance, emphasizing the delicate balance of power in the region. The conversation navigates the intricate dynamics of U.S.-China relations and the future of Pacific island nations amidst rising tensions.

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Jun 13, 2025 • 31min
Ep 205: Mark Dubowitz on Israel’s Unfolding Campaign in Iran
Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, sheds light on Israel’s recent airstrikes targeting Iran's nuclear program. He discusses the ongoing tensions in U.S.-Iran relations and the strategic implications of Israel's military actions. Key topics include disrupting Iran's nuclear ambitions, the intelligence advantage Israel holds, and the potential for regime change in Iran. Dubowitz also highlights the use of drones and the geopolitical risks involved, painting a complex picture of the Middle East landscape.