
Thoughts in Between: exploring how technology collides with politics, culture and society
Matt Clifford, cofounder of Entrepreneurs First, interviews the people behind some of the world's most important ideas. We explore in-depth some of the fastest-changing and most impactful areas of life, from technology to geopolitics and scientific progress to entrepreneurship. Guests include founders, investors, academics and journalists working and thinking at the frontier of these topics. Subscribe to the free newsletter at http://tib.matthewclifford.com/
Latest episodes

Aug 27, 2021 • 1h 5min
A Podcast from Entrepreneurs First: Building billion dollar companies
I'd like to introduce you to a podcast from Entrepreneurs First, my new show with EF cofounder Alice Bentinck.
Together, we've been talking to some of the brightest entrepreneurs who have ever set foot in an EF office about what it takes to build a business from the ground up.
In this episode I speak to Alex Dalyac, co-founder and CEO of Tractable, EF's first unicorn. We're joined by LinkedIn's cofounder and Chairman, Reid Hoffman.
Reid and Alex share what they believe are the most important tenets of founding a successful business - particularly in the earliest stages - and how aspiring founders can launch a startup heading for unicorn status.
This is the only episode of A podcast from Entrepreneurs First that is going to appear on this feed. To hear more, search for A podcast from Entrepreneurs First wherever you listen.
Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneurs First at www.joinef.com.

Aug 16, 2021 • 1h 50min
Ethan Mollick: what do we *actually* know about entrepreneurship?
Ethan Mollick, Wharton professor, and former founder, discusses entrepreneurship myths, game-like simulations, team dynamics, idea generation, and debunking stereotypes. The conversation explores the impact of storytelling, hiring strategies, equity split, diversity, and global distribution of opportunities. Additionally, it touches on user innovation, effectuation, and the importance of user experience in entrepreneurship.

Jul 26, 2021 • 2h 6min
Gian Volpicelli: a beginner's guide to cryptocurrency
Gian Volpicelli is a journalist at Wired UK, where he covers the intersection of technology and politics. He’s also the author of the recently published Wired Guide to Cryptocurrency, which you can think of as a beginner’s guide to all things crypto. This conversation is for people who are new to crypto and feared it was too late to learn. We talk through the economics, politics, and sociology of cryptocurrency - and why you should care.
Some of the links we discuss include:
- The Bitcoin white paper
- Vitalik Buterin on legitimacy (see also TiB)
- TiB on Tether
- TiB on central bank digital currencies (CBDCs)
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

Jul 12, 2021 • 1h 48min
Jeff Ding: What's happening in Chinese AI?
Jeffrey Ding is a doctoral candidate and Rhodes Scholar at the University of Oxford, where he also works as the China Lead for the Centre for the Governance of AI. He’s one of the foremost English language commentators on AI in China and is the writer of the brilliant ChinAI newsletter, which is an invaluable guide to the topic. In this conversation we discuss recent developments in Chinese AI, including talent, funding and technical breakthroughs, as well as looking at Jeff’s academic work on how governments should think about strategic technologies.
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

Jun 28, 2021 • 1h 59min
Gena Gorlin: Psychology, founders and the nature of ambition
Professor and psychologist, Gena Gorlin, discusses how individuals can overcome psychological obstacles to achieve goals. Topics covered include the nature of ambition, common challenges faced by founders, parenting's role, and the intersection of psychology and mental health within the ambitious population.

Jun 14, 2021 • 1h 56min
Meia Nouwens: Taiwan, AI and China's relationship with the world
Meia Nouwens is a China expert who works as a senior fellow at the International Institute of Strategic Studies. She’s thought deeply and written extensively on many favorite Thoughts in Between topics, from the geopolitics of semiconductors to the role of AI in the future of war. In this conversation, we discuss China’s Digital Silk Road, the likelihood of war in Taiwan, and much more.
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

Jun 7, 2021 • 1h 39min
Future Proof: How to save the world from catastrophic risks
Angus Mercer, Sophie Dannreuther and Gregory Lewis are three of the people behind, “Future Proof”, a report released last week by the Centre for Long Term Resilience on how the UK and the world can become more resilient to extreme risks in the decades ahead. In the wake of the pandemic, thinking about how we mitigate catastrophic risk seems both urgent and important. In this conversation, we discuss the most important steps governments can take, with a particular focus on biosecurity. I hope you find it both sobering and optimistic!
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

May 31, 2021 • 2h 6min
Ash Fontana: How to build an AI-first company
Ash Fontana is Managing Director of Zetta Venture Partners, a venture capital firm focused on artificial intelligence startups. He’s also the author of The AI First Company, a new book that draws on Ash’s experience as an entrepreneur and investor and lays out the principles for building a successful business based on data learning effects. In this conversation, we dive into the book’s core ideas and discuss the past, present and future of AI.
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

May 17, 2021 • 2h 12min
Shashank Joshi: China, Russia and the world's biggest security risks
Shashank Joshi is defence editor at the Economist and an expert in international security, geopolitics, and military affairs. I’ve known Shashank for many years and I think he has the most encyclopedic knowledge of anyone I’ve met. As a result, this is an extremely wide-ranging and, for me, educational conversation, in which we cover topics including why Vladimir Putin behaves the way he does, how spies get by in the age of ubiquitous digital surveillance, the world’s most underrated security risks and much, much more.
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com

May 3, 2021 • 2h 5min
Erik Hoel: The search for a theory of consciousness in reality and fiction
Erik Hoel is a neuroscientist whose work we’ve discussed in Thoughts in Between before. But he’s also an excellent writer of fiction: his first novel, The Revelations, has just been published in the US and is available in the UK from 13 May 2021. It’s a brilliant novel of ideas centered on the search for a theory of consciousness. It’s one of the best things I’ve read this year and this discussion is a spoiler-free introduction to some of its big themes: the sociology of science, the nature of ambition and, of course, consciousness itself.
Enjoy this conversation with Erik Hoel.
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Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com.