Money Life with Chuck Jaffe

Dominic Ceci, chief investment officer at Johnson Financial Group, says that investors can't expect the stock market — after 20-plus percent gains in 2023 and this year — to roll along at that pace indefinitely, noting that record highs have stocks trading well above their normal range relative to earnings. If earnings normalize and growth slows a little bit, the economy can stay strong while the market goes through a long sideways or slightly down period, likely lasting for much of next year. He says in The Big Interview that kind of benign scenario is more likely than a hard landing or big market declines. Matt Kaufman, head of ETFs at Calamos Investments, discusses the firm's latest structured products, which are tied to the stock market, but which use options to virtually ensure that losses are impossible; he explains how they work and where they might fit into investment portfolios. Plus, with big Powerball and MegaMillions jackpots on the line this week, Matt Zajechowski discusses research he did for Lucky.me showing which states have produced the most big jackpot winners — and the states where no one has ever claimed the biggest prize — as well as which numbers have proven to be luckiest — and the least lucky — when it comes to grand prizes in the past.

Matt Fox, president of Ithaca Wealth Management, says that while it is always bullish to have the stock market in record-high range, the 20-plus percent gains of 2023 and again this year are setting up a long period of digestion/sideways movement that may last for much of 2025. He sees the stock market with room to keep running for now, noting that he thinks the market can gain about 7 percent from current levels before resistance digs in. When that happens, he's not expecting any sort of sharp reversal or crash, just flat markets while the market adjusts. Brian Reisinger discusses his book,"Land Rich Cash Poor: My Family's Hope and the Untold History of the Disappearing American Farmer," and how the future of farming could play out at a time when demands for food are rising but the number of farms providing that food is shrinking. In the Market Call, Steven Grey of Grey Value Management discusses how he combines classic value investing with what he calls "valuation investing" to find situations in which significant mispricings become his future profits.

Tocqueville's Petrides: John Petrides, portfolio manager for Tocqueville Asset Management, says that while the market has gotten to all-time highs riding large-cap growth stocks for roughly seven years, there are undercurrents changing beneath the surface that will make diversification pay off in 2025. He notes that the market can go through a soft landing scenario while changing market leadership and he thinks the market can avoid a major downturn provided that inflation doesn't prove much stickier than expected and if earnings prove to be weaker than they currently appear. David Trainer, founder and president at New Constructs, revisits Opendoor Technologies, which he says is no longer a zombie stock and worthy of being in the Danger Zone, although that doesn't mean the stock — now trading below two bucks a share after having been hammered while in the Danger Zone — is worth buying. Nick Pisano discusses a Clever Real Estate survey which showed that more than half of the Baby Boomers who currently owns a home expect to live in their house to the end, never selling it, although the study also shows most older homeowners being in line for big profits when they do sell. Silas Myers, portfolio manager and chief executive officer at Mar Vista Investment Partners, makes his debut in the Market Call discussing why he favors big-time compounders trading at good valuations.

Paul Gruenwald, chief economist at S&P Global Ratings, discusses his 2024 fourth-quarter economic outlook, which suggests that the recent rally can continue especially as the economy transitions into what he expects will be its first soft landing in more than three decades. Gruenwald says the economy has been "super-resilient," and he expects that to continue unless the strong labor market falters and cracks, and the bond market stops absorbing U.S. debt at low interest rates. Gruenwald also agrees with some of the observations made by economists who took part in the National Association for Business Economics September 2024 Outlook Survey, which economist Mervin Jebaraj discusses with Chuck. In The NAVigator segment, Sean Feeley of the U.S. high yield investment group at Barings, talks about the impact the rate-cutting cycle will have on high-yield/junk investment, and Elysabeth Alfano, chief executive officer at VegTech — which runs the VegTech Plant-based Innovation & Climate ETF — brings her unique perspective on companies with wide-moat sustainable business models to the Money Life Market Call.

Market strategist Lawrence McDonald, creator of The Bear Traps Report, says that conditions have changed to where investors will need "an entirely different portfolio ... and an entirely different investment philosophy" than you used in the last decade to be profitable in the next 10 years. He expects a rotation from growth stocks to value stocks, and says that industrials, materials and oil and gas companies will become a much bigger part of the market -- driving returns in the process -- in the next decade.Also on the show, Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, turns to a new actively managed fund from Vanguard for his ETF of the Week, Sharon Epperson, senior personal finance correspondent at CNBC discusses the network's recent study showing that nearly half of American workers are “cautiously optimistic” about their ability to meet their retirement goals, and Professor David Soberman from the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto talks about the likely economic impacts created by the longshoremen's strike and when or if the shutdown of many U.S. ports will show up in higher prices and protracted inflation.

Brett Ewing, chief market strategist at First Franklin Financial Services, says that the rally he expected for small-cap stocks when he last appeared on the show in January, finally arrived in the third quarter and the stock market is now rotating towards smaller companies, industrials and real estate investment trusts. Ewing says that he expects the stock market to have a "decent correction" near the end of the year, if only because the market has seldom been up this much after three quarters and most years with a similar gain have seen a downturn in the fourth quarter; while he thinks the market will quickly backstop a decline, he noted that investors may also want to lean into fixed income because bonds, historically, have outperformed equities in the first 12 months after the federal reserve starts a rate-cutting cycle. Nadia Vanderhall, Financial Planner and CEO at Brands + Bands Strategy Group, discusses her recent blog post on how consumers can use gift cards as a budgeting and money-management tool — and can be a valuable accessory for teaching kids about money — and Gil Baumgarten, founder and president of Segment Wealth Management talks ETFs and stocks in the Money Life Market Call.

Nicholas Brooks, head of economic and investment research at ICG, a global alternative asset manager, says "There's nothing out there that rings major alarm bells" signalling a big recession ahead. But while he expects a soft landing, he is watching what is driving inflation, noting that while headline inflation is down, services inflation remains high and wage growth has stayed strong, factors that are good from a household income point of view but that are concerning in terms of whether inflation might come back and hurt the Federal Reserve's ability to cut rates. Josh Brown, chief executive officer at Ritholtz Wealth Management, discusses his new book, "You Weren’t Supposed to See That," which digs into the genius and the foolishness of what the public gets from financial experts, advisers and the media. Plus, Ken Berman, strategist at Gorilla Trades, talks technicals and says the signs are all pointing to the idea that the current bull market has legs to run through the election and into 2025.

Nick Elfner, co-head of research at Breckinridge Capital Advisors, says that investment-grade corporate bonds are well positioned to be the strong fixed-income play now that the Federal Reserve has started cutting interest rates. Financial counselor Kristine Stevenson, author of "How to Avoid Trouble With the IRS," chats about how so many tax and financial issues are caused by a lack of the most-basic and simple planning, and notes that taking a few simple steps and applying common sense will keep most people away from the worst of financial issues. David Trainer, founder and president at New Constructs puts Targa Resources back in The Danger Zone, noting that the stock — which showed strong gains since it was labeled the company most likely to miss second-quarter earnings — is now the stock most likely to miss third-quarter earnings, and David Rosenstrock, director of investments and financial planning at Wharton Wealth Planning, makes his debut in the Market Call talking funds and ETFs.

Christine Benz, director of personal finance and retirement planning for Morningstar Inc., returns to the show — earlier this week she discussed her book "How to Retire: 20 Lessons for a Happy, Successful, and Wealthy Retirement" — to talk about how inflation, rate cuts and other current events are impacting retirement planning and asset allocation decisions. She notes that after two great years for the stock market, investors often struggle to make portfolios more appropriately conservative for their age. John Cole Scott, president of Closed-End Fund Advisors and chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses four funds to consider for what he sees ahead in the fourth quarter, and Kevin Simpson, co-founder/chief investment officer at Capital Wealth Planning, makes his debut in the Market Call, talking about great business models generation big free cash flow, and then protecting the portfolio using covered calls.

Phillip Wool, head of research at Rayliant Global Advisors, makes a strong case for investing in emerging markets — as well as for sticking with investments in China despite geopolitical risk there — noting that valuations are particularly compelling compared to a domestic stock market that is flirting with record highs. While Wool does not expect the U.S. economy to go through a hard landing, he notes that the domestic market is "pricing in a lot of good news right now," and in times when the Federal Reserve is easing into a soft landing, it typically leads to overperformance from emerging markets and international investments, which means investors are entering a time when diversification geographically should pay off.  Also on the show, Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, looks to a new small-cap fund that uses a covered-call strategy to protect against volatility and downside risk as his "ETF of the Week," Anthony Pompliano discusses "How to Live an Extraordinary Life," his book of 65 letters he has written to his young children, that put money, success and more into perspective amid the busy lives and hectic times all of us face today. Thad Davis, president and chief executive officer at Aureus Asset Management, talks high-quality compounders in the Money Life Market Call.