

Mobile DevOps is a thing!
Bitrise
Mobile DevOps is a thing! by Bitrise is a podcast for — and about — mobile developers and their unique app development processes.
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Aug 8, 2022 • 1h 8min
Optimizing release frequency and building a release train with Sudeep Sidhu
We welcomed Sudeep Sidhu from Neo Financial and talked about optimizing release strategy and how they evolved from pushing ad-hoc feature releases to having a stable, bi-weekly release train.
Sudeep is the Lead Mobile Developer at Neo Financial, a Canadian financial technology company that reimagines the way people spend, save, and earn rewards — and how they help users make the most out of their time and money using today’s technologies.
With Russell Stephens, Engineering Manager at Bitrise, we talked to Sudeep about how the mobile team behind Canada’s main challenger bank approaches release strategy. Sudeep also shares how the team evolved from ad-hoc releases whenever they had a new feature to the stable bi-weekly release train that they have today.
Tune in to learn about how to
streamline the release process using today’s tools and technologies
increase efficiency as a startup that is operating with limited time and resources
remain agile in the heavily regulated environment of finance and banking
hire the best engineers you can trust to make decisions for the team
make sure your fintech app is ready for the future
About this podcast
In Mobile DevOps is a thing! we showcase developers and their processes and learn about the ways in which mobile development processes differ and overlap, through the lens of Mobile DevOps. The aim? Learning how to be more productive and build better apps, whatever technology you might be using. For this, however, we need your help too — if you have any questions or topics in mind that you would love to hear about in our upcoming podcasts, let us know on Twitter, or through email.

Jun 10, 2022 • 55min
Behind the scenes of building high-rated apps with Antoine van der Lee
In this episode, we welcomed Antoine van der Lee as our special guest. This time, our focus was on app quality: how to follow up with user feedback, make sure the app constantly evolves, and other tips and tricks to create a top-notch user experience.
In the episode
Antoine is an iOS Developer at WeTransfer and the author of SwiftLee, a weekly blog about Xcode and Swift development. WeTransfer solves a problem many of us face: it enables users to transfer large-sized files, such as photos, videos, PDFs, and more — from the web or right from your phone.
With Russell Stephens, Engineering Manager at Bitrise, we talked to Antoine about all the work that goes into building highly-rated, innovative mobile apps — their main app, WeTransfer and their more recent app, WeTransfer Collect, are continuously rated above 4.5 stars in the app stores.
Tune in to learn about
how they approach testing, debugging, and quality assurance,
how they follow up with user feedback,
what tools and technologies they use to automate processes to save time for creating innovative features and functionalities, or
how AI will change our experience on mobile?
About this podcast
In Mobile DevOps is a thing! we showcase developers and their processes and learn about the ways in which mobile development processes differ and overlap, through the lens of Mobile DevOps. The aim? Learning how to be more productive and build better apps, whatever technology you might be using. For this, however, we need your help too — if you have any questions or topics in mind that you would love to hear about in our upcoming podcasts, let us know on Twitter, or through email.

Mar 31, 2022 • 50min
Building a mobile app for a leading bank with Adam Law from NatWest
In this episode of Mobile DevOps is a thing! we’re focusing on the challenges of building mobile apps in the finance and banking industry with Adam Law from NatWest Group.
Adam is the Principal Engineer for the Bankline Mobile Team, within Commercial Banking at NatWest Group, one of the UK’s (and the world’s) largest banking groups. With his team, he’s working on building Bankline Mobile, a secure, customer-facing mobile app that complements their Bankline service.
With Russell Stephens, Engineering Manager at Bitrise, we talked to Adam about the behind-the-scenes aspects of creating a top-quality banking app — from optimizing release strategies to how they keep compliant with constantly changing security requirements. We also chatted about the emergence of fintech apps and discussed what traditional banks can learn from them when it comes to mobile development and vice versa.
Key talking points:
Security: what technologies need to be implemented to make sure a finance or banking app is always secure?
Do these strict regulations affect the time of planning and /getting approval for new features and releasing them?
Release strategy: is there such a thing as the optimal frequency of releases?
Innovation and upcoming technologies: what do you think will add the most value to mobile finance and banking and why?
Show notes & resources
Udemy’s Mobile Development Courses: https://www.udemy.com/courses/development/mobile-apps/
Ray Wenderlich: https://www.raywenderlich.com/

Dec 7, 2021 • 47min
All about test automation: tools and best practices with Angie Jones
In this podcast episode, we talked to Applitools’ Angie Jones about all things related to test automation: tools, best practices, how to reach a higher level of DevTestOps, what role AI will play in software testing, and a lot more.
About Angie
Angie Jones works as Head of Developer Relations at Applitools and is the founder and Executive Director of Test Automation University. She’s previously worked as a Senior Software Developer at Twitter and regularly gives talks about Javascript, software development, and testing best practices. To learn more about her work and upcoming projects, you can follow Angie on her Twitter profile or check out her courses at Test Automation University.
In this episode
We discussed the must-have practices engineering teams should implement into their processes, along with the different challenges that can arise in software testing and the tips & tricks to solve them. We also looked at Angie’s maturity framework that helps teams measure how advanced they are and enables them to reach a high level of maturity in DevTestOps.
Some of the most interesting questions we covered in this episode:
What role will AI play in software testing and how will it impact the day-to-day work of developers?
Which should definitely be automated and which ones are still better done manually?
What is your opinion about the future of codeless testing tools and their effects on the test engineers' role?
How to scale and look after an ever-growing test suite?
How to choose between native and cross-platform mobile test automation frameworks?
Show notes & resources
Angie’s website: https://angiejones.tech/
Test Automation University: https://testautomationu.applitools.com/
The Future Tester, by Jason Arbon: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-tester-jason-arbon/

Sep 8, 2021 • 1h 2min
The roadmap to mobile success with Peter-John Welcome
In this podcast episode, we talked to Google Developer Expert Peter-John Welcome about his experience in Android DevOps, the roadmap to mobile success and the steps developers need to take to get there.
PJ is a Google Developer Expert for Firebase from Johannesburg, South Africa. He’s a vocal advocate for Mobile DevOps with over 10 years of experience in mobile development. PJ regularly blogs and gives talks at meetups and conferences about topics such as creating and optimizing CI/CD pipelines and other best practices. You can follow him on Twitter at pjapplez or check out his projects on Medium.
We focused on the challenges related to Android DevOps and how they can be solved by using the right tools and technologies. Throughout his years of consultancy experience, PJ has come up with a so-called “roadmap to mobile success”, with the necessary components for creating a successful CI pipeline: including branching release strategies, code reviews, app architecture, code coverage, and static code analysis. We discussed how these components fit into automation and the CI/CD process and what steps developers can take to reach success on mobile.
About this podcast
In Mobile DevOps is a thing! we showcase developers and their processes and learn about the ways in which mobile development processes differ and overlap, through the lens of Mobile DevOps. The aim? Learning how to be more productive and build better apps, whatever technology you might be using. For this, however, we need your help as well — if you have any questions or topics in mind that you would love to hear about in our upcoming podcasts, let us know on Twitter, or through email.
Show notes & resources
Medium: https://medium.com/@pjwelcome
Twitterhttps://twitter.com/pjapplez
Github: https://github.com/pjwelcome
Google Developer Experts: https://developers.google.com/community/experts/directory/profile/profile-peter-john-welcome
Android Weekly: https://androidweekly.net/
Swift Weekly: https://swiftweekly.com/
iOS Dev Weekly: https://iosdevweekly.com/
fastlane: https://fastlane.tools/

Jul 15, 2021 • 55min
Mastering continuous deployment with Keegan Rush
Keegan Rush, Lead iOS/macOS Developer at ShotFlow and co-author of 'iOS App Distribution & Best Practices', shares his insights on mastering app distribution. He discusses the challenges of code signing and the importance of effective build configurations. Keegan emphasizes the necessity of automation with tools like Fastlane and the benefits of frequent app releases for feedback. He also highlights common pitfalls in white labeling and the significance of understanding Xcode settings for smoother deployment processes.

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Jun 2, 2021 • 1h 17min
Build secure mobile applications with Anastasiia Voitova
Anastasiia Voitova, a security engineer at Cossack Labs, is an expert in application and data security. She discusses the critical first steps teams should take to enhance mobile app security, emphasizing risk assessment and integrating security into the SDLC. Anastasiia clarifies zero trust versus zero knowledge architectures and shares low-effort, high-reward practices to proactively prevent security issues. She also highlights the importance of regular security routines and resources for continuous improvement in app protection.

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Mar 17, 2021 • 1h 4min
Building mobile infrastructure with Russell Stephens
In this episode, we talked to Russell about his team’s CI journey, from the struggles of hosting an on-premise Jenkins solution to building a cutting-edge case of mobile infrastructure on Bitrise. We explored how their responsibilities have shifted from the team to the platform: whether it’s a beta build or delivering to the app stores, the team now has the entire process of building, testing, code signing, and shipping automated. We also discussed how the switch has impacted their day-to-day job, their team structure, and how it resulted in an increase in agility and productivity.
You can find out more about Russell and his projects here, or check out their Engineering and AI blog. If you're interested in joining Compass, head to their careers page and explore their open positions.
Books and resources referenced in this episode:
Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship, by Robert C Martin
Refactoring — Improving the Design of Existing Code, by Martin Fowler, with Kent Beck
Treehouse: Online courses for people of all skill levels and backgrounds
How to UI test Push Notifications and universal links in the iOS simulator
Code References:
https://github.com/UrbanCompass/Mussel
https://github.com/UrbanCompass/snail
Open Source Tools:
https://github.com/leejarvis/slop
https://github.com/CocoaPods/Rome
https://github.com/tmspzz/Rome
https://github.com/Carthage/Carthage
https://cocoapods.org/
https://github.com/tuist/tuist
https://docs.ruby-lang.org/en/2.3.0/ERB.html

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Dec 1, 2020 • 59min
App Performance Monitoring with Rasmus Larsson
In this episode, we talked to Rasmus Larsson about new technologies from App Performance Monitoring to building engaging apps for sports fans, and integrating Augmented Reality or App Clips into iOS apps.
Rasmus is the Product Strategy Director at Pulselive, a Sony company that has been crafting digital experiences to connect teams, leagues, and sports federations to their fans for over a decade. The mobile team’s main motivation is to continuously build the best possible sports apps with the best UI, the best UX, built on the best code. They are doing all these things for an impressive list of clients, including AFL, Premier League, or Liverpool FC.
In this episode, we talked about how App Performance Monitoring tools can serve as a safety net by helping mobile teams notice bugs before users can. By diagnosing deep-level performance problems, APMs also help teams detect code change mistakes that can potentially cost thousands of dollars. We also discussed the special expectations sports fans have when it comes to mobile apps, what the best ways are to engage them, and how Augmented Reality can help create more immersive experiences and impact the ways we watch games, interact with our phones, and each other in the future.
You can find out more about Rasmus on his LinkedIn profile or check out more Pulselive projects on their website.

Sep 11, 2020 • 1h 14min
Fintech, Flutter, and tech leadership with GDE Mariano Zorrilla
In this episode of Mobile DevOps is a thing!, we talked to Mariano Zorrilla about fintech, building apps in Flutter, and his journey from a small town in Argentina to Silicon Valley.
In this episode
Mariano is a Tech Lead at Venmo, where he manages a team of mobile and backend server-side engineers. He is a passionate member of the Flutter community: besides recently becoming a Google Developer Expert, he also founded — and gives talks at — the San Francisco Cross-Platform SFXP meetups, where developers share knowledge and experiences in cross-platform development.
In this podcast episode, you’ll hear some of Mariano’s thoughts on the current and future trends in mobile finance and banking. We discussed his experiences of leading a product-focused team, which of his previous jobs helped him become a better manager, and why he believes that soft skills are often more important than hard skills. He also shared the story about the beginning of his career as a developer and how it all started with him being the only person who knew how to code in a small town in the Argentinian countryside — to now working for one of the biggest fintech companies in the U.S.
You can find out more about Mariano on his Twitter or check out his Flutter projects on his Github here.


