
ISF Podcast
The ISF Podcast brings you cutting-edge conversation, tailored to CISOs, CTOs, CROs, and other global security pros. In every episode of the ISF Podcast, Chief Executive, Steve Durbin speaks with rule-breakers, collaborators, culture builders, and business creatives who manage their enterprise with vision, transparency, authenticity, and integrity. From the Information Security Forum, the leading authority on cyber, information security, and risk management.
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Aug 20, 2024 • 23min
S28 Ep3: SUMMER LISTENING Brian Cox — Intellectual Honesty & Learning to be a Leader
For our special Summer Listening series, we revisit some favorite listens: episodes that cover some of the most important, and current, issues in cyber.
Today, ISF CEO Steve Durbin is in conversation with Dr. Brian Cox, professor of Particle Physics at the University of Manchester. Dr. Cox worked on the ATLAS experiment at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in Switzerland and has co-written several books on physics, including Why does E=mc2? and The Quantum Universe. He’s also known for appearances in many science programmes for BBC radio and television, including In Einstein's Shadow and the BBC Horizon series. Dr. Cox and Steve discuss how to translate a complex message to a lay audience, the need for intellectual honesty, and the value of play even in serious endeavors.
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Aug 13, 2024 • 44min
S28 Ep2: SUMMER LISTENING – Steve Wozniak In Conversation with Steve Durbin
Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and technology visionary, joins Steve Durbin, CEO of the Information Security Forum, for an insightful conversation. They delve into Wozniak's early fascination with electronics and the evolution of security in computing. The discussion highlights the implications of Big Tech's power on innovation and the importance of user education in combating cyber threats. Wozniak emphasizes the need for innovative solutions like AI while reflecting on the creative mindset that drives technological advancements.

Aug 8, 2024 • 35min
S28 Ep1: SUMMER LISTENING Sir Bob Geldof — Challenging Orthodox Thinking
For our special Summer Listening series, we revisit some favorite listens: episodes that cover some of the most important, and current, issues in cyber.
In this episode, Steve speaks with a guest whose focus includes human culture, behavior, and storytelling: singer/songwriter and activist Sir Bob Geldof, lead singer of the Boomtown Rats and founding member of Band Aid, famous for raising money for Ethiopian famine relief. Steve and Sir Bob discuss the effect of the Covid19 pandemic on creativity, the political turmoil facilitated by rapidly advancing digital technology, Sir Bob’s hope for fresh ideas, the courage to embrace change, and more.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Pete Briquette
Simon Crowe
Garry Roberts
Vladimir Putin
Xi Jinping
Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Boris Johnson
Donald Trump
Charles Darwin
Sigmund Freud
Karl Marx
Live Aid
Live 8
QAnon
Thomas Piketty
Shoshana Zuboff
Marshall McLuhan
Novacene: The Coming Age of Hyperintelligence by James Lovelock
Richard Branson
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Mark Zuckerberg
Jack Ma
Larry Page
Sergey Brin
Winston Churchill
Alan Brooke
George Bernard Shaw
Tim Berners-Lee
Johannes Gutenberg
Colin Wilson
The Rolling Stones
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Billie Holiday
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Paul Allen
Steve Wozniak
Gaia Theory
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Aug 6, 2024 • 26min
SUMMER LISTENING: Navigating the Business Interruption Minefield Begins with Simplification
For our special Summer Listening series, we revisit some favorite listens: episodes that cover some of the most important, and current, issues in cyber.
In this evergreen episode, Steve and Tavia discuss the constantly changing world of risk, what security can do to prepare for and mitigate risk, the role of the business leader, and the impact of risk management on strategy and business direction.
Mentioned in this episode:
ISF Analyst Insight Podcast
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Jul 23, 2024 • 17min
S27 Ep5: Steve Durbin & Julie MacDonald - Safeguarding Your Business in Times of Instability
Steve recently sat for an interview with veteran journalist Julie MacDonald for a feature with The European. Last week, we listened to the first part of that conversation, and today, we’re hearing the second. Julie and Steve talk about scenario planning, transparency within industries, and what good leadership looks like in this complex moment in history.
Key Takeaways:
1. Durbin emphasizes AI’s dependence on data integrity and the importance of starting with good data.
2. Durbin discusses the challenges of geopolitical threats and market flux, and how organizations must prepare for an uncertain future.
3. Durbin notes increased use of ISF’s supplier assessment tools to mitigate risks due to geopolitical tensions and COVID-19.
Tune in to hear more about:
1. Cyber security, AI, and data integrity (0:00)
2. Cyber security threats, vulnerabilities, and supply chain risks (3:40)
3. Risk management, leadership priorities, and the importance of collaboration (9:28)
Standout Quotes:
1. “Bear in mind that when it all comes crashing down, there isn't a piece of technology in the world that will get your systems back up and running. And so don't forget the role that people have to play. So look after the people, make sure that they understand the important role that they have, because I think all too often, we talk about them being the weakest link. Actually, they're the strongest link.“ - Steve Durbin
2. “You have to focus on the crown jewels. That's your starting point. Very often, people will say to me, well, how much should we be spending? And my answer to that is, it depends. It depends on your risk profile, depends how nervous you are, it depends if you're going to enter new markets, it depends if you're coming out of markets. So you have to, as the leader of an organization, I think, juggle all of those things. And you have to do it in a very sort of swanlike way.“ - Steve Durbin
3. “You will make mistakes. And the mistake itself isn't important. What is important is how you recover from that, and how you learn from it going forward. And how you share that with other people in your organization. And how you become very much more agile to take advantage of some of the opportunities that that might open up.“ - Steve Durbin
Mentioned in this episode:
ISF Analyst Insight Podcast
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Jul 16, 2024 • 14min
S27 Ep4: Steve Durbin & Julie MacDonald - Risky Business: Aligning enterprise strategy with human-centred security
Steve recently sat for an interview with veteran journalist Julie MacDonald for a feature with The European. For the next two weeks, we’ll be presenting that conversation in two parts. In the first part, Julie and Steve discuss the regulatory landscape, improving communication across the business, and how enterprises can successfully marry technology with the human element of work.
Key Takeaways:
1. Durbin emphasizes the importance of alignment in creating a culture that supports risk management and growth.
2. MacDonald emphasizes the need for transparency beyond organizational borders, including collaboration with competitors and regulators.
3. Large organizations have resources to keep up with supply chain risks, while midsize and small enterprises struggle.
4. Durbin stresses the need for basic security practices and security awareness training, providing feedback in real-time to help individuals remember what they should have done.
Tune in to hear more about:
1. Cybersecurity risks and how businesses can manage them effectively (0:00)
2. Cybersecurity transparency, regulation, and communication (5:13)
Standout Quotes:
1. “I think for security people, what they have to be better at is understanding the role that security plays in achieving the business objectives, the business strategy, because if they can do that, then suddenly they have the ear of the business. On the other side, from the business perspective, they need to understand the role that technology plays in achieving what they're trying to do. Because technology equals security equals risk.“ - Steve Durbin
2. “If you look at the way in which now, technology is all pervasive, we use different elements of technology to do our jobs. So we may be doing something on our own mobile phone, for instance, which we wouldn't have been doing before. So the importance of security awareness has actually increased significantly. “ - Steve Durbin
Mentioned in this episode:
ISF Analyst Insight Podcast
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Jul 9, 2024 • 26min
S27 Ep3: Ruth Rathblott - Unseen and Unheard: Creating an inclusive culture through storytelling
Today, author and disability diversity expert Ruth Rathblott offers a fresh perspective on how we understand and approach diversity in the workplace. She and Steve discuss how DEI can benefit both your culture and your business, and they give practical tips for leaders looking to build a more inclusive environment.
Key Takeaways:
1. Leaders need to go first in being vulnerable and trustworthy.
2. Hiding is universal and exhausting, and people fear judgement and rejection for keeping secrets.
3. Unhiding can increase staff retention and engagement.
4. Leaders who adopt unhiding can be more innovative and creative, and better connect with millennials and Gen Z employees.
5. Unhiding is the key to connection, and it will make leaders stronger and drive business results in today’s pandemic of loneliness.
Tune in to hear more about:
1. Diversity, equity, and inclusion with a focus on disability inclusion (0:00)
2. Hiding and sharing personal aspects of one’s identity in the workplace, with a focus on disability and diversity (5:08)
3. Leadership vulnerability and creating a safe space for teams to thrive (10:26)
4. The benefits of “unhiding” in the workplace, leading to increased trust, retention, and innovation (14:41)
5. Uncovering hidden potential through self-awareness and connection (18:49)
Standout Quotes:
1. It's funny, I was talking to a woman recently. And she said, I love this concept of hiding, I love the work that you're doing, Ruth, and as a leader, I will never unhide to my team. And I said, okay, why? And she said, because I don't trust them. And it got me into the space of thinking, Steve, that either she has the wrong team, or she's the wrong leader. Because if we can't trust our teams, why are we in this business? Because that's our job is to build teams that trust us, that work with us, that get us to our next level in terms of a company. And so how do we create those spaces? And it's by leaders going first, and being vulnerable. - Ruth Rathblott
2. “There is a privilege in being able to unhide. I recognize that. In terms of being able, whether you're in the securities industry or in a different industry, because there are still in 2024 reasons that people would be fearful, and for good reason be fearful, of sharing parts of themselves, for retaliation, et cetera. I think where I've seen the benefit and the other side is the retention increases. People feel better about the place that they work, because they don't feel like they have to hide that part of themselves. They feel like this is a company who understands me, I'm going to stay longer. They feel more engaged with their peers, because they're not hiding.” - Ruth Rathblott
3. “I use the methods of therapy. I use the methods of journaling. I use the methods of meditation, to just take a pause in our lives to say, what is holding me back? Where am I hiding part of myself to fit in for fear of judgment and fear of rejection? Take that inventory or that audit on yourself. Acknowledge it.” - Ruth Rathblott
Mentioned in this episode:
ISF Analyst Insight Podcast
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Jul 2, 2024 • 13min
S27 Ep2: Jane Hyun - The Art of Cultural Fluency in the Workplace
Today is the second in a two-part conversation centered on cultural fluency with global leadership strategist and corporate coach Jane Hyun. Jane is the author of Leadership Toolkit for Asians: The Definitive Resource Guide for Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling and Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling: Career Strategies for Asians, and co-author of Flex: The New Playbook for Managing Across Differences. In this episode, Steve and Jane define cultural fluency and give more tips on fostering cohesion and innovation in global teams.
Key Takeaways:
1. To be effective in a global team with diverse languages and continents, leaders must recognize and attend to cultural differences.
2. Mergers and acquisitions can fail due to cultural differences.
3. In the security industry, retention is a significant issue, and creating a fun and thriving work environment can help address it.
Tune in to hear more about:
1. Cultural fluency and its importance in leadership, particularly when working with people from different backgrounds and cultures (0:00)
2. Cultural fluency in the workplace (6:17)
Standout Quotes:
1. “It's actually about building leadership capacity to work across difference. And it's not just for one cultural group or another; it’s actually for everyone. To build that cultural self awareness and to create an environment where we can ask questions, thoughtfully, that we give some room to each other.” - Jane Hyun
2. “If the leader can be attuned to those little things and show that kind of empathy that engages someone who feels, perhaps, kind of in the margins, or their voice is not always heard, I think that can make a tremendous difference in how they connect to your company, how loyal they are to you, and how much output you will get from their productivity as well.” - Jane Hyun
Mentioned in this episode:
Flex: The New Playbook for Managing Across Differences
Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling: Career Strategies for Asians
Leadership Toolkit for Asians: The Definitive Resource Guide for Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling
ISF Analyst Insight Podcast
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Jun 25, 2024 • 15min
S27 Ep1: Jane Hyun - Leading From Afar: Getting the best out of our remote workforce
Global leadership strategist Jane Hyun explores cultural fluency in remote work environments. Key topics include self-awareness for growth, leveraging diverse perspectives for innovation, and culturally adaptive facilitation. Standout quotes highlight the importance of embracing cultural backgrounds and driving innovation through change.

Jun 11, 2024 • 29min
S26 Ep5: Amanda Fennell - The Unicorn Leader's Self-help Guide to Confidence and Competence
Amanda Fennell, CISO and CIO of Prove, shares insights on security principles, befriending legal officers, and thriving in change. Topics include teaching emotional intelligence, evolving CISO roles, and managing stress. Key takeaways: least privilege, risk mitigation, vulnerability management.
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