New Churches Podcast

Episode 702 We often think of discipleship as a post-conversion process, but it also can be seen in a broader way. Host Ed Stetzer talks with Chuy Rodriguez and Catherine Renfro about disciple making as sharing the gospel, people responding to the gospel, growing in the truths of the gospel and then multiplying. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Different ways churches are effectively making disciples The relationship between evangelism and discipleship in the new church Varied approaches to church-based discipleship strategies How to see disciples become disciple makers Advice for church plants to have a disciple making culture Helpful Resources: Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): The most effective churches I’ve worked with are translating academic education into practical implementation – complementing traditional tools with serving the community. It’s not just acquiring information but also putting it into practice so we grow in our walk with Christ. —Chuy Rodriguez Oftentimes we talk about evangelism and discipleship as though it has to be one or the other. I don’t think you can have true discipleship without evangelism; I don’t think you can have evangelism without discipleship. Discipleship and evangelism go hand in hand. @CatherineRenfro Discipleship is not follow-up. Discipleship is calling people to follow Jesus and the disciple-making journey starts at the even sharing the good news of the gospel with people, sharing what it means to follow Jesus. Disciple making includes conversion and spiritual growth and, ultimately, multiplication. @EdStetzer We see one-on-one discipleship and group discipleship. I don’t think you can choose one over the other. Both are equally important. At the end of the day, I think relationships are the foundation of discipleship. @CatherineRenfro As a new church grows, it takes on structure. All living things, when they become more complex, take on structure. We help people move from sitting in rows to sitting in circles, so they can have that life-on-life discipleship that makes makes the difference. @EdStetzer A lot of times church plants, if they don’t grow in maturity, can become a mile wide and an inch deep. Church plants must have a disciple-making culture. @EdStetzer You need a model of what it means to be a disciple and to disciple others. I’ve seen pastors who preach a lot about certain things but they are not the first ones doing it. I would say to most pastors, “Just be what you preach.” —Chuy Rodriguez The post Disciple-Making Strategies for New Churches appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 701 Most, if not all, church planters aspire to start a multiplying church. Yet often that doesn’t happen because we have our missiology backwards. Host Clint Clifton talks with Vance Pitman and Trevin Wax about what they see as a more biblical approach. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Vance Pitman’s “inverted” church planting missiology Scheduled activities that will help a church planter engage their city and make disciples The difference it makes to start with a city, rather than a service Leadership principles for planting churches that multiply Steps that set up a church for long-term success in multiplication Helpful Resources: Trevin Wax’s book The Thrill of Orthodoxy Eric Swanson’s book The Externally Focused Church Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): The starting point is wrong when we start with the church. The starting point is the city and gospel engagement. The Great Commission is to make disciples. Jesus never said, “Go plant churches.” @VancePitman When when you take the gospel to the city, the Gospel doesn’t skip over cultures. One of the reasons we have so many homogenous churches in North America is we start with a church service. When you start with a church service, you start with a culture that attracts people like itself. @VancePitman It’s wisdom for a church planter to spend the majority of discipleship time with the most mature in his congregation, helping them become really effective leaders. It’s not so much about if a person is new to faith in Christ or if they’ve been a Christian for a long time. It’s about their trajectory toward leadership. @ClintJClifton You’re basically focusing on making disciples who will then make disciples. @TrevinWax When we talk about multiplication, often we limit that to talking about multiplying the church. But if you’re going to see churches multiplied, you have to think multiplication at every level. That starts with multiplying disciples. @VancePitman In the beginning it feels like you’re doing it poorly, but you basically have to make the choice to go ahead and do it, even though all your ducks, proverbially speaking, aren’t in a row. That’s a hard thing for a conscientious pastor to do. @ClintJClifton Jesus focused more on succession than he did on success. He planned for succession. He planned for the generation beyond him. Unfortunately in the local church in America, we spend 99% of our time focused on success. @VancePitman The post Engage the City, Make Disciples, Build the Church appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 700 Ministry wives face unique challenges, and fewer resources are produced to help them than their husbands. Co-hosts Ed Stetzer and Clint Clifton talk with Christine Hoover about her new NAMB podcast for ministry wives. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Why a podcast specifically for ministry wives is needed Some things ministry wives can learn from Christine Hoover’s podcast Effective ways ministry wives are involved in church life How Christine hopes the podcast will encourage ministry wives Ways pastors can help their wives establish needed boundaries Helpful Resources: Christine Hoover’s Ministry Wives Podcast Christine Hoover’s author page on Amazon Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): Being a ministry wife often is a vocation without a job description. @EdStetzer When we planted there were zero resources for me as a church planting wife. That’s what sparked my desire to serve and help women who sometimes feel unseen. They’re the unsung heroes of church ministry. @ChristineHoover Ministry wives face unique challenges. We experience church very differently than our husbands, because it’s not our job. The dynamics can be really challenging. @ChristineHoover The issue of ministry wives is a complex algorithm. You’ve got expectations and assumptions that come along with the faith tradition, as well as the unique personality of the wife. Those two things manifest themselves in so many different ways. @ClintJClifton Pastors have a job description but one of the greatest challenges for pastor’s wives, especially within the first 10 years, is just figuring out who they are and what God has created them to do in their context. @ChristineHoover The relational challenges are a big piece too – the blurred lines of ministry. It can be very confusing to know who you share things with, who you go to when you need help. @ChristineHoover A big component is for the pastor to help his wife see herself, to see how God is using her. Sometimes it can be hard to see that in ourselves and so for the husband to say “I see God using you in this way,” that’s really encouraging. @ChristineHoover The post For Ministry Wives appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 699 Church planters are thinking about financing permanent facilities, but probably no group of people is less equipped to go into commercial real estate transactions. Host Clint Clifton talks with Colby Garman and Ray Clark about the basics of financing church facilities. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Advice about how a facility’s price tag might translate into a monthly cost The percentage of budget mortgage payments should be limited to A standard expectation for how long you would be paying on a mortgage How obtaining a permanent facility relates to the church’s mission Some ways churches don’t have sound biblical ways of thinking about money Helpful Resources: Download our Church Plant Facility Guide Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): The easiest rule of thumb is to look at a church’s annual income and multiply it by three to four times. Probably 98% of churches can use that to approximate what they could afford in a facility. — Ray Clark Church planters are notoriously optimistic about the the future of their work. That needs to be tempered a little bit when we’re talking about getting into a multimillion-dollar facility promise for what amounts to decades. @ClintJClifton Making a big decision like getting into a mortgage impacts how you function in ministry going forward. Some of the freedom to think about multiplication and sending out church planters goes away by making that decision. @ColbyGarman We put a fence around the possibility of over-extending ourselves financially and we said we’re going to keep mission and ministry our priority. @ClintJClifton Every single decision you as a leader make has a financial ramification. Every time you say yes to something, you’re automatically saying no to something else. — Ray Clark Sometimes Christians have really off ways of thinking about money that make these conversations really hard. Like, “Hey we’re supposed to just have faith and all this talk about details and financing is uncomfortable.” @ColbyGarman The No. 1 thing we run across is pastors who are the “tip of the spear” leader who just don’t engage in this conversation at all. — Ray Clark The post Demystifying Church Facility Financing appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 698: Finding a facility for a new church is is one of the most challenging aspects of planting, particularly in an urban environment. Host Clint Clifton talks with Colby Garman and Ray Clark about why creative facility solutions are needed now, more than ever. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Kinds of facilities commonly used by church plants Some advantages and disadvantages of owning a facility  How to assess your readiness for a permanent facility The importance educating yourself about local government rules Where owning a facility should rank in your list of priorities Helpful Resources: Dan Mackett’s article: Creative Facility Solutions for New Churches Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): Church planters will use just about any space they can gather a crowd in: school cafeterias or auditoriums, movie theaters, small concert venues, hotel ballrooms and conference centers. @ColbyGarman When you’re in the throes of church planting and things get difficult, you start to believe that if you had a facility, it would solve all the problems. That’s not true. In some ways, it creates problems. @ClintJClifton Rightly thinking about facilities as a tool for ministry is probably the healthiest place a church planter could could start. The facility just facilitates the gathering of the church. — Ray Clark Churches can take body blows of difficulty when they have a facility. But a family that’s not well relationally doesn’t get better by owning their own home. @ColbyGarman Many church planters who think they’re ready for that step aren’t ready for that step. @ClintJClifton The first place to start is really understanding where you’re at and the only way to understand where you’re at is to is to actually track income and expenses. A good rule of thumb would be about 25% of your budget allocated to your debt payment. — Ray Clark One of the beautiful things about alternative situations is additional cash flow, but often that comes with additional operation. As a pastor, you’ve got to protect yourself against capacity creep. — Ray Clark The post Finding a Facility for Your Growing Church appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 697: No planter goes in thinking it’s going to be easy, but none knows quite how hard it’s actually going to be. Host Clint Clifton discusses the incredible benefits of endurance in planting with Jeff Belcher and Amanda Hudson. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: The importance of staying through difficulty and the fruit of endurance Why longevity in a community enables others to entrust you with valuable resources How to navigate in a transient context and guard against the temptation to not get close to people Advice for new church planters about “buckling up” for longevity  How enduring seasons of difficulty prepares you to experience a “sweet season” Helpful Resources: Clint’s article: Church Planter Postpartum Depression? Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): I often tell church planters that the only way to ensure you won’t be a failure before you plant a church is to refuse to quit. Church planting is so challenging and if you have an escape hatch, the odds are when things are really intense, you probably will walk through one of those escape hatches. @ClintJClifton We like the idea of being a consistent factor, a foundational person and a familiar face. It’s encouraging, especially for people who don’t take church life seriously, to see us always present. — Amanda Hudson I look back at the seasons of difficulty as a gift now, where in the midst of them I saw them as the worst possible thing that could happen. If you stick it out when things are crushingly difficult, there comes a day you look back and say I’m so glad I didn’t quit. @ClintJClifton Looking back is essential in the Christian life. When we remember past trials and we’ve seen the ways that God’s brought us through, that can definitely be powerful in moving us forward through the challenges in church planting. — Jeff Belcher If you’re starting to wonder, “Did I do the right thing?” – the the answer is yes. Don’t don’t quit. Don’t give up. Church planting is difficult. We’re fighting for the eternity of people and so there’s a real adversary in the midst of that. @ClintJClifton We refer to one another all the time as family, and families don’t quit one another. If we as planters come before our congregants and say we’re a family, then what does that say if we bail out when things get hard? That’s not the nature of the family of God. — Jeff Belcher Walking away, like a father walking away from his family, is devastating. If when things get hard, we walk away, then that says a lot about the God we’re proclaiming to people. Commitment to church family is just foundational to planting. — Jeff Belcher The post The Value of Staying Put appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 696: When a church sends out a planter, the relationship hasn’t ended; it’s just begun. Host Clint Clifton discusses with Jason Robertson and Dannie Williams how Sending Church pastors can provide meaningful support to planters as they face their inevitable challenges. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: The importance of helping a planter enjoy the ministry Ways to encourage planter spouses in the challenges they face Specific stories about having a planter’s back in difficult situations How you can help by advocating for that planter with other pastors Signs a church planter is going through a terminal type of discouragement Helpful Resources: Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): In the church I planted 20 years ago, we didn’t have a lot of meaningful encouragement outside of our church. It became a real lonely experience at times. @Jason Robertson If they have a project early on, we participate in it. The journey is so serious but it can be fun, so just have fun with the planter. @Dannie Williams Sometimes church planting spouses get the short end of the stick. They often are doing a lot of the heavy lifting for none of the recognition. It’s important to encourage church planting wives. @ClintJClifton We did a retreat and one of the planter wives started crying with gratitude of how they had been treated like royalty. We just want to say to them, “We really do care about you. This is not just religious talk. It’s the real deal.” @Dannie Williams One of our church planters got Covid and it ended up becoming pneumonia. He was in the hospital and we could not go in. His spouse could not be with him. We started every single day having a worship service and prayer meeting outside his hospital window. @Jason Robertson It’s one thing for me to go to a random church that I don’t know and say, “Hey, will you support me?” It’s another thing for you to speak on my behalf with that pastor. @ClintJClifton I think of it as if I were out there, what would God do for me? What kind of commitment would he have? He’s going to be motivating people to rally to the cause of kingdom advancement that you are part of. @Dannie Williams The post Supporting Those You Send appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 695: How you plant a church is shaped by missiology and what you end up with is shaped by ecclesiology. Host Ed Stetzer hashes through different approaches to both with Nathan Knight and Rivers Partin. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Nuances in the theological motivation behind three church plants Ways to strike a balance between alleviating earthly suffering and eternal suffering. How to explain to your people what it means to be “incarnational” Why ecclesiology is more than bylaws you use when your church encounters a problem How being a church differs from being a mission idea or mission outpost Helpful Resources: Ed Stetzer’s book Breaking the Missional Code Ed Stetzer’s article What 9Marks Purists Should Know About Church Planting Christopher Wright’s book The Mission of God Brad Briscoe’s books: Missional Essentials, The Missional Quest, Next Door as It Is in Heaven Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): The Christian understands that there’s more to this than trying to alleviate earthly suffering, but we have a deeper desire to relieve eternal suffering. @NathanKnightDC My motivation is we see the kingdom of God breaking into the world. Part of our mission is to work to make the world more like Jesus would want it to be. “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” @EdStetzer We use very incarnational language: We’re the way Jesus shows His love to people in our neighborhood. We want to see people’s eternal destiny being changed. We also start with it’s an act of worship to serve and the results are up to the Lord. — Rivers Partin It’s a kingdom work even if I don’t see someone repent that day, because we’re bringing about restoration in this place. We’re planting seeds and we’re allowing the Lord to to do the growing. — Rivers Partin So much of the epistles are concerned about people not persevering and enduring. So when you think about the mission of the church, I’m going to front-load knowing so much of the work of the Church is to make sure and get the person to their deathbed still following Jesus under the power of the Holy Spirit. @NathanKnightDC Your ecclesiology really matters. It’s one of the things that I think people don’t think about until there’s a problem. They think of ecclesiology as almost like the bylaws to use when we have a problem, but I think ecclesiology is a display of God’s glory that really matters. @EdStetzer We spent most of our time just trying to understand what a church is and what a church does, what a pastor is what a pastor does, since that’s what we were endeavoring to be. As a consequence we front-loaded all that ecclesiology into the work of the church so that she would be set up to take in those new believers and then orient into our life together. @NathanKnightDC The post What is the Mission? Why Does it Matter? Part 2 appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 694: What is the mission of the church? To many, the answer seems obvious but the topic actually is pretty significantly debated. Host Ed Stetzer engages the subject with two guests – Nathan Knight and Rivers Partin – who approach it from significantly different directions. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: How “bless and impact neighbor” intersects with “evangelize and congregationalize” What “the BLESS acronym” stands for How “equip the saints for the work of ministry” fleshes out in mission How community impact and making disciples relate to each other Whether community restoration is integral to church planting Helpful Resources: Craig Ott: The Mission of the Church: Five Views in Conversation Christopher Wright: The Mission of God’s People: A Biblical Theology of the Church’s Mission Michael Reeves and Daniel Hames: God Shines Forth: How the Nature of God Shapes and Drives the Mission of the Church Kevin DeYoung and Greg Gilbert: What Is the Mission of the Church?: Making Sense of Social Justice, Shalom, and the Great Commission Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): A lack of clarity about the mission is actually a pretty recurring problem. We assume a lot about the church and what it is, about the mission and what it is, about the gospel and what it is. @EdStetzer Our mission is really centered around neighbors being neighbors to one another, resting in the love of God for themselves and sharing that love with neighbors. — Rivers Partin We see the mission of the church is to make disciples. So our mission statement is “Restoration Church exists to make disciples that delight in the supremacy of Christ here in Washington, D.C., and beyond.” @NathanKnightDC I’m doing kingdom work and when I make the world more like Jesus would want it to be, I join Jesus on His mission. @EdStetzer If someone wasn’t living out their faith in their community – having compassion for the hurting, wanting to bring the beauty of Jesus into broken spaces – I would say that what’s underneath is they’re not rightfully seeing the beauty of Christ. — Rivers Partin The Bible has more to say about the work of the church than the average Christian thinks it does, and the more that we give ourselves to understanding what the Bible actually teaches about the work of the church, the church will be healthier. @NathanKnightDC Our purpose is not cleaning the park. Our purpose is bringing restoration to something that is broken because that’s what the Lord does in our lives. Picking up the trash is a step toward being able to share our story. — Rivers Partin The post What is the Mission? Why Does it Matter? Part 1 appeared first on New Churches.

Episode 693: Many times, church planters are disappointed when they work hard to rustle up support but walk away empty handed. Host Clint Clifton talks with seasoned Sending Church pastors Jason Robertson and Dannie Williams about why pastors who love church planting might say no when approached for funding. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: Red flags that might steer away a pastor from supporting you What a pastor might do when approached by someone they think isn’t a good planting prospect Where pastors see the “sweet spot” in a planting prospect How a pastor who’s delicately stewarding resources might respond when a planter presents an unusually high monetary ask Three principles to keep in mind when making the ask Helpful Resources: Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass? Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes. Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches): The red flag I react to the quickest is their disposition toward team ministry. You can tell pretty quickly if you’re dealing with a team player or with someone who just wants your money. @Jason Robertson Often church planters think all they need is money, and that’s the problem of youthfulness in church planting. We think we have all the tools and resources before we’ve actually tried to do the work. @ClintJClifton I met this one guy who was looking at planting as an experiment. If it didn’t work, well, it didn’t work. You can’t go into church planting like that. @Dannie Williams Some guys are overly confident. Arrogance and pride is never a good thing going into church planting. Some guys are too timid. When you’re out in front and driving a vision, that takes a balance of being courageous and and filled with faith and confidence. @Jason Robertson Either a person has a high view of God or a high view of himself. The higher the view of God, the more likely this guy is going to succeed, because a man needs to know God is sufficient and he’s not. @Dannie Williams Money won’t cause you to succeed; money won’t cause you to fail. @ClintJClifton Abraham would have never seen the ram in the bush if he hadn’t gone to the spot had the knife drawn back. @Dannie Williams The post Why I Would Never Support Your Church Plant appeared first on New Churches.