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The New Churches podcast offers practical answers to your real ministry questions. We aren’t going to provide lofty pie-in-the-sky theories. Instead, we are going to help you in your real ministry context, with your real thoughts, questions, and issues.
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Jan 10, 2023 • 26min
Set Yourself Up for a Great Year!
Episode 726
Looking at this past year, many of us think, “Wow, that could’ve gone better.” Host Clint Clifton talks with Dave Proffitt and Colby Garman about planning well to execute your ministry task.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Who to include in your planning
How to plan and also be open to the spiritual work going on around you
Practices for creating healthy ministry margins
What church planters should fill their schedule with
Helpful Resources:
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
You will either plan to advance the key things in the life of the church or someone else is going to plan those things for you. @Colby Garman
Proverbs 16:9 says “A man’s heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.” @clintjclifton
A lot of what the church needs to know is not necessarily going to come from the pastor. It’s going to come from the team of gifted people God has assembled to be the foundation for the church. – Dave Proffitt
I think of times in our ministry where a person had an idea that I, in a million lifetimes, never would have come up with. @clintjclifton
I want to plan to accomplish, but I also want to be prepared to pivot where I see God working. @Colby Garman
Often we have no idea what God’s doing. Our work is worship. We offer it to God because we love Him and He does with it what He sees fit. @clintjclifton
You’ve got to commit to prayer and to evangelism. You’ve got to connect with people. You’ve got to a servant leader. We need to train a disciple and we need to mentor. We need a coach and we need to recruit, recruit, recruit. We need to apprentice and become apprenticed. – Dave Proffitt
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Dec 15, 2022 • 21min
Year in Review: 3 Ways to Improve Your Preaching
Year in Review: Episode 725
One of the most important topics for pastors and church planters is improving their preaching. Host Clint Clifton and Noah Oldham discuss ways to continue to grow as preachers.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Two schools of thought when it comes to preaching
Three things young preachers can do improve to their preaching
Helpful Resources:
John Stott’s Between Two Worlds
Our Bivocational ministry course
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Most church planters consider themselves to be pretty good preachers yet, in my observation, most need to grow in their preaching. @clintjclifton
Most church planters need time and reps and seasons to grow as communicators so they can be effective in the long run to help the church be strengthened. @NoahOldham
An Indian proverb says, ‘He who has a good friend needs no mirror.'” @clintjclifton
When I’m preaching, I want to disappear, yet I often carry more of myself into the pulpit than I realize. I want Him to increase and me to decrease. @NoahOldham
Every time we imitate another preacher, it’s like a photocopy of a photocopy. @clintjclifton
We call sermon critiques “wins and opportunities.” There’s no losses. It’s an opportunity for growth. @NoahOldham
I heard Tim Keller say your first 300 sermons are garbage. So if you’re not to 300 yet, you should just assume your preaching needs a lot of improvement. @clintjclifton
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Dec 8, 2022 • 22min
Year in Review: Organizing Your Week
Year in Review | Episode 723
Pastors and church planters feel the pinch of not having enough time. Host Clint Clifton talks with Todd Adkins and Jessica Thompson about the value of – and techniques for – organizing your week.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The difference between delegation and leadership development
Why it’s important to set aside less time for doing and more for developing
The value of bringing alongside ministry partners who excel in areas where you’re weak
How task prioritization may be more important than time management
What the stickiness of your plant depends on
Helpful Resources:
Free podcasts:
Building a Team from Scratch
Discovering Pastoral Potential
Multiplying Church Leaders
Free ebook: Building Your Core Team
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
It’s getting harder and harder for pastors of new churches to have enough money to take care of their family, meet their obligations and survive in the cities God’s called them to reach. @ClintJClifton
You’re probably spending way too much time doing versus developing. The most practical thing you can do is set aside less time for doing and more time for developing. @ToddAdkins
You need to be disciplined enough to know what you have time for. What five things do I need to accomplish this week?Don’t let other people’s needs and demands move you from what you feel God has on your plate to do this week. – Jessica Thompson
What are the things that only you can do? That’s the category where you need to be doing and developing. @ClintJClifton
For a church planter who hasn’t launched yet, the absolute most important thing you can be doing is developing people. When you hit the launch phase, you’re going to need all those people, and the stickiness of your plant depends on the people, not the programming. @ToddAdkins
Build your team with people who are willing to step out in faith and cast your vision, being able to communicate clearly what God has called your church to do, because that’s going to draw people to the Lord. – Jessica Thompson
Church planting feels a lot like Whac-A-Mole. There’s a lot of things going on on a lot of different fronts and you can get into this pattern of frenzy and feverishness. The truth is, if I’m trying to hit every head that pops up, I’m going to miss some important ones. @ClintJClifton
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Dec 6, 2022 • 25min
Year in Review: Reaching People Far from God
Year in Review: Episode 722
Many church planters set out to reach people with the gospel but often find their new churches full of folks from other churches. Host Ed Stetzer talks with Heiden Ratner and Vance Pitman about the challenge of staying outwardly focused to reach people far from God.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
How to get a core team outwardly focused on reaching people who are not churched or not believers
How God used Heiden’s “idolatry problem with basketball” to draw him to faith in Christ
How a “divine appointment” gave Heiden an opportunity to meet a well-known UFC fighter and how they are trading text messages about faith
What personal practices can help planters be more evangelistic and engaging people who don’t know Christ
The best ways to help new believers grow in their faith and become fully devoted followers of Christ
Helpful Free Resources:
Developing a Core Team
Church Planting Primer
Church Planting Masterclass
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Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Here’s a very practical tip for this idea of building bridges into the city: Every city has a city manager and every city manager has a list of problems on their desk that’s their responsibility to solve. Go meet your city manager, build a relationship, find out what of those items on that list you can take off the list. @VancePitman
I love the Major Ian Thomas quote: “The same life Jesus lived, he lives now through us.” If we’re allowing Christ to live in and through us, he’s focused on lost people. He’s seeking. He’s saving. @HeidenRatner
Engaging adults who don’t know Christ leads to some messy challenges, but we must encourage people to still value that. @EdStetzer
Yes, it’s messy when you when you reach people in a place like Vegas. But it’s also pure. There is a purity about the gospel from these new believers that is contagious. It creates a freshness in the body of Christ that is worth going after. @VancePitman
Have the authenticity to be yourself, not feeling like you have to be somebody else in their walk with Christ. Be you. Everybody’s got a unique leaning, unique wiring, and so we’re trying to help people champion the things that make you be authentically you in the body of Christ, and you’ll find your fit. @HeidenRatner
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Dec 1, 2022 • 22min
What Churches that Multiply Do Differently
Episode 721
Many pastors intend for their church to multiply, but very few actually start new churches. Host Clint Clifton talks with John Welborn about what churches that multiply do differently than those that don’t.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The need to set aside time for leadership development,
provide clarity around the vision,
make your life available to developing leaders,
demystify spiritual leadership,
understand the financial component
Helpful Resources:
Free book: Church Planting Thresholds
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Almost every church planter I’m interacting with intends for his church to multiply, yet very few of them are actually sending out and starting new churches. There’s a huge gap between intention and the practice, and that gap is how difficult it is and the things you have to do day-to-day in order to make it a reality. @ClintJClifton
At Salem, we lost over 50% of our church to relocations. We were put in a position to say if we don’t raise up new leaders, then we’re sunk. It’s not just a vision. It’s also something that’s in practical application on a week-to-week and month to-month basis. @JWWelborn
As a church planter, as you gather your team, crystallizing and communicating the vision that this new church is not just one new church, it tends to gather the sort of people that really resonate with a multiplying vision. Crystallize that vision from Day One. @ClintJClifton
You have to open your life because discipleship, as it relates to being a spiritual leader, is more than just a classroom informational setting. @JWWelborn
People can’t imagine themselves becoming what you are until it’s not mystical to them anymore, until they they can understand it and see how normal it is. @ClintJClifton
We always say to our church’s residents that we want to do church in such a way that the average Joe looks up at the stage and says, “I could totally do that.” @ClintJClifton
If you prioritize church multiplication as an essential element of the vision God has given, then it’s going to cost you something. We are making sacrifices to provide to each neighborhood what they need most, which is a gospel-preaching church. @JWWelborn
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Nov 17, 2022 • 27min
From Maintenance to Multiplication
Episode 719
Pastors are so overwhelmed with responsibilities that they often move the bar really low to having a maintenance mindset, rather than pursuing a vision of multiplication. Host Clint Clifton talks with John Welborn about how to move from maintenance to multiplication.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
What causes pastors and churches to slip into maintenance mode
How success should be defined
Why a multiplication vision is essential for every church
The necessity of owning where you are as a church
How fear keeps a pastor from casting vision for multiplication
Helpful Resources:
Article: Church Planter Postpartum Depression?
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
When every decision is run through the filter of “How do I survive?” … it’s a killer for multiplication, for advancing the mission and the kingdom of God the way we’ve been called to do. @JWWelborn
The reality that churches are dying all around us and every church is going to die should create this category in our mind where we say multiplication is essential because our church isn’t going to be here forever. @ClintJClifton
The only hope is aggressive disciple-making, leadership development and church multiplication. @JWWelborn
One of the first steps to actually becoming good at multiplication is owning where you are as a church. @ClintJClifton
Advancing the kingdom is perfectly fine, but when you start trimming budgets to make room for resources, then you’ve got members, who are paying the bills, saying, “No, I don’t think so.” That’s where it gets real. @JWWelborn
The worst thing for us is that isolation causes us to to slip into survival and maintenance modes. But when we’re in community and able to talk to one another, we can combat the enemy’s voice in our life and focus our energy and attention on things we know are actually right. @ClintJClifton
Success in casting vision really is determined by how far down the organizational chart people are communicating that vision. @JWWelborn
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Nov 10, 2022 • 24min
Developing an Exit Strategy
Episode 717
What happens in churches when pastors don’t properly plan for someone to succeed them? Host: Clint Clifton talks with Jess Thompson and Todd Adkins about the connection between developing leaders and successfully transitioning a plant to next-stage leadership.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The difference between transitional and cultural leadership development
The value of having a leadership development pipeline
Why it’s important to look at succession at every level
How a church’s need for different leadership gifts frees a pastor to try new things
Where to get help in developing a succession plan
Helpful Resources:
NAMB’s Multiplication Pipeline training
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
If you’re successful in planting a church, there will come a time when you’ll start to think, “I wonder if I’m the person to lead this thing to the next stage of growth?” @ClintJClifton
Churches have two choices: You can either build leaders or buy leaders. Our problem is we have gotten out of the habit of building leaders. @ToddAdkins
From what I’ve observed, it seems so much driven by the pastor who’s leaving and what God is doing in their life and how they’re preparing their church for that. How prepared is the church? How attached are they to the pastor? – Jessica Thompson
If you constantly develop people, you’ll find you will be able to multiply. When your time has come to transition out, you’ll be ready to do that in a way that helps the church be successful. @ClintJClifton
In the maturity and stability of the church long-term, it needs its primary voice to be in the shepherd-teacher category. When a church is started, it needs its primary voice to be apostolic. @ClintJClifton
Your legacy is really what happens after you leave. It’s not what you do; it’s who you develop. @ToddAdkins
An amazing amount of humility is needed for all involved – the leader you’ve developed and the thing that God is calling you to do next. – Jessica Thompson
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Nov 8, 2022 • 23min
Financing Ministry in the Expensive Urban Core
Episode 716
Raising funds for a church plant in the expensive urban core of a city poses many challenges – among them the task of financing the ministry. Host Ed Stetzer talks with James Roberson and Taylor Field about their planting experiences in New York City.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The “three self formula” of planting indigenous churches
How starting with a nonprofit can help structure your approach
The importance of depending only on the God who called you
How facilities factor into the equation
Ways to prioritize missions giving in church planting
Helpful Resources:
Link: Bridge Church NYC
Link: Graffiti Church
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
The way we got our apartment was our sending church co-signed for us. It was 600 square feet and we paid close to $3,000 a month for that. — James Roberson
We call it the “F word.” No one wants to talk about finances but it’s really important. — Taylor Field
Play the cards you’re dealt and focus on that. People always ask, “How many sources do you have?” We say, “One source, many channels.” We do have many challenges but it’s one source: our Heavenly Father. — Taylor Field
Your confidence must be categorically in God, because if it’s not, then you’re going to be depending on Big Bucks Tabernacle to fund you. I literally had individual, single-parent moms give me more than huge name churches. — James Roberson
You can’t get into that corrosive mentality of “You owe me.” You’ve got to know that God called you and He will fund what He’s called you to. Once you’re convinced of that, no city can stop the call of God. — James Roberson
What we said was “Lord, we don’t want to be a sofa. We want want to be a launching pad.” One of the root words for “salvation” in the Hebrew is “make a space for.” Having a space helped us become a launching pad. — Taylor Field
It’s important for church planters, especially in the urban core, to look beyond our own self-interest as a church. — Taylor Field
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Nov 3, 2022 • 29min
5 Advantages of Staying Small
Episode 715
Even if we say growth is really not a congregation’s goal, there’s a subtle pressure for our churches to always be numerically larger. Host Clint Clifton talks with Jess Thompson and Todd Adkins about five advantages to staying relatively small.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The advantage of agility in mission
Why relational depth is so important
What forced ingenuity means in a smaller church context
Why smaller churches can handle failure better
Why volunteer dependency is such a good thing
Helpful Resources:
Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s book: Team of Teams
John Kotter books:
Leading Change
Accelerate: Building Strategic Agility for a Faster-Moving World
Lawrence Miller’s book: Barbarians to Bureaucrats
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
We obviously we want to continue to reach people with the gospel. However, there are some advantages to your local church being modest in size. @ClintJClifton
The advantages of staying small are numerous. You always hear the speedboat versus freight liner analogy. One is easier to maneuver than the other. @ToddAdkins
A big church has more resources to put into an initiative but in large churches there’s this hesitancy toward change or doing something new. I think it’s harder to pivot to try new things when there’s this hesitancy. – Jess Thompson
When the lines of decision-making are very clear but they’re not very relational, it becomes a lot harder to do something outside the box. @ClintJClifton
Relational depth is the biggest bonus for small churches. That’s what we want spiritually – to be known, by our Creator, by each other. In large churches that’s hard to do. – Jess Thompson
John Kotter says organizations start relational and nodal, then move to hierarchical. Legacy churches and organizations tend to have their lunch eaten by the upstarts, who are more relational. The secret sauce to stay relational and grow at the same time is to have both. @ToddAdkins
Unfortunately the larger and more established you get, you tend to be innovative where you should be static and static where you should be innovative. But smallness allows you to say, “Oh, I can take initiative here.” It’s easier to take risks. Church planting tends to just attract people who can see that way. @ToddAdkins
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Nov 1, 2022 • 29min
Church Planting in the Big Apple
Episode 714
The complex diversity of places like New York City poses challenges and creates opportunities for church planting. Host Ed Stetzer talks with James Roberson and Taylor Field about the missiology of planting in such an environment.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
What makes New York City so complex from a missiological perspective
How to bridge economic disparities
The missiological challenges of changing neighborhood demographics
Factors that make it harder to plant a church in a place like New York City
The value of compassion ministries in building relationships
Helpful Resources:
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
New York City is seen as maybe the Mount Everest of church planting – a lot of folks have tried, a lot of plants have died. @EdStetzer
We sometimes say New York City is a not a melting pot, it’s a tossed salad. Where we started we rebuilt a synagogue. On one side is a “squat,” where people illegally occupied the building; on the other side there’s a luxury apartments. — Taylor Field
If you try to stop a person walking in New York, it’s like stopping a person mid-traffic in the South. — James Roberson
In more northeastern places, some of the most welcoming Christian folks – when they get changed, man, they get changed. It’s not cultural religion. @EdStetzer
Bonhoeffer says you can’t speak the words of God until you listen with the ears of God. The big thing is just to be a listener. Kindness crosses every culture. — Taylor Field
Trying to get them to understand the Calvary Road – suffering and trials – takes a long time in the city. You’ve come up here with a dream. God’s not really impressed with your dream. He wants to see you be sanctified and grow. — James Roberson
There’s also a missiological simplicity to New York City. Here the different people groups are all on top of each other. So there is that opportunity: every language, every tongue, everybody’s welcome. That could simplify things, rather than make it more complex. — Taylor Field
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