

Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks
9Marks
A podcast by 9Marks, with Garrett Kell, Hayley Satrom, and Deepak Reju.
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Jan 19, 2026 • 40min
Depression Part 2 (Ep. 41)
Hayley, Deepak and Garrett talk about depression and how to think about depression as complicated suffering.Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch (31-day Devotional)Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness by Ed Welch“Tortured, Imperfect, and Held by Jesus” – article by Garrett Kell

Jan 5, 2026 • 42min
On Depression Part 1 (Ep. 40)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about what the Bible says about depression. Warning label: This episode also talks about a depressed person’s battle with suicide.Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed WelchSpurgeon’s Sorrows by Zack Eswine

Dec 22, 2025 • 30min
On How to Apologize (Ep. 39)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about how to offer a good or bad apology and why we struggle to apologize.Resources MentionedThe Peacemaker by Ken Sande

Dec 8, 2025 • 46min
On Anger, with Chris Moles (Ep. 38)
Garrett, Deepak and Hayley interview pastor and counselor Chris Moles, who says you can’t bully a bully. You change a person’s anger with kindness, compassion and forgiveness.Resources MentionedUprooting Anger by Robert D. Joneshttps://www.chrismoles.orghttps://www.menofpeace.org

Nov 24, 2025 • 53min
On Anger Part 3 (Ep. 37)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak explore redemptive strategies for dealing with anger problems and growing in faith in Christ.Books MentionedAnger: Calming Your Heart (31-Day Devotional) by Robert D. JonesA Small Book for The Anxious Heart by Edward T. WelchThe Peacemaker by Ken SandeWar of Words by Paul David TrippOther Resources"Moving Toward, Away and Against" Chart (This chart is from the CCEF Marriage Counseling course taught by Winston Smith, 2010)Bible Verses on Anger

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Nov 10, 2025 • 38min
On Anger Part 2 (Ep. 36)
In this conversation, the hosts tackle the complexity of anger and personal transformation. They explore whether anger can completely subside and emphasize the power of prayer as a first response. Sharing Tony's journey of gospel change, they highlight the importance of entrusting grievances to God rather than seeking vengeance. The discussion dives into the deeper roots of anger, including grief, and encourages self-examination and repentance. With practical advice and a focus on community support, they offer hope to those wrestling with chronic anger.

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Oct 27, 2025 • 47min
On Anger Part 1 (Ep. 35)
The hosts dive into the complex emotions of anger, exploring both its righteous and sinful aspects. Personal stories reveal struggles with anger, from parenting challenges to moments of frustration. They discuss how anger can stem from perceived injustices and differentiate between hot and cold expressions. The conversation includes biblical insights on God's righteous anger and practical advice for counseling those grappling with anger, especially towards God. Key resources are recommended for deeper understanding.

Oct 13, 2025 • 41min
On How To Become A Better Listener (Ep. 34)
Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley talk about the good and bad qualities of a listener and how to grow in your skill of listening.

Aug 11, 2025 • 45min
Interview With Abby Wedgeworth (Ep. 33)
Hayley, Garrett and Deepak interview Abby Wedgeworth (author of best-selling book HELD) about how to care for women who have suffered from a miscarriage. Resources Mentioned:Held: 31 Biblical Reflections on God’s Comfort and Care in the Sorrow of Miscarriage by Abby WedgworthOurs: Biblical Comfort for Men Grieving Miscarriage by Eric SchumacherDark Clouds, Deep Mercy: Discovering the Grace of Lament by Mark Vroegop

Jul 28, 2025 • 42min
On Miscarriage and Infertility Part 2 (Ep. 32)
Hayley, Garrett and Deepak offer 5 Do's and 5 Don'ts in coming alongside those who have suffered with infertility or miscarriage.


