

On the Journey
The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Aug 31, 2022 • 59min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 104: The Immaculate Conception of Mary
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
In their last two episodes, they began to discuss the Immaculate Conception of Mary, looking at the biblical themes of Mary as the New Eve and Ark of the New Covenant.
This week, they address the question: If this teaching is true, why did the Catholic Church wait until 1854 to define it as true?
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Aug 24, 2022 • 1h 4min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 103: Mary, Ark of the New Covenant
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
In their last episode, they began to discuss the Immaculate Conception of Mary, looking at Mary as the New Eve, the fulfillment of God’s original created intentions for woman.
This week, they look at another theme in biblical typology: Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. What is the evidence from Scripture that Catholics are correct in viewing Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant? What did the early Christians seem to make of this?
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Aug 17, 2022 • 1h 9min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 102: Mary, the New Eve
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their multi-part series discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to believe Catholic teaching about her.
Kenny, Ken, and Matt discuss the third Marian dogma, the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Rooted in the biblical story, Mary is presented in the New Testament as “Woman, par excellence” — the fulfillment of God’s original created intentions for woman. The biblical mega-theme of Woman is traced through Genesis, seen in the biblical types of the Old Testament, and ultimately fulfilled in Mary, the New Eve.
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Aug 10, 2022 • 1h 4min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 101: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to share what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they eventually came to believe Catholic teaching about her.
In this week's discussion about Mary's perpetual virginity, Matt and Ken and Kenny discuss the reasons why they used to reject this dogma, and what they discovered in Scripture and history that led them to eventually accept the idea of Mary as ever-virgin.
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Aug 3, 2022 • 1h 3min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 100: Mary the Mother of Who?
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to share what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they eventually came to believe Catholic teaching about her.
The first Marian dogma they tackle is the question of Mary as Mother of God. But before a proper discussion can be had about that, Matt and Ken and Kenny explain why it's important to understand first what a dogma is, how it comes to be, and why the Church makes such strong statements about certain questions in the first place.
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Jul 27, 2022 • 58min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 99: Mary and the Protestant Pulpit
Matt Swaim and former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley are joined by CHNetwork's Kenny Burchard, a former Foursquare Church pastor, to begin a series discussing what led each of them to embrace Catholic teaching on Mary.
Ken and Kenny share how they used to preach about Mary as Protestant pastors, why they used to think about her that way, and what it was that began to open their hearts to start thinking of Mary as more than just a background character in the Bible.
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Jul 6, 2022 • 1h 1min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Episode 98: The Rest of the Story
Ken Hensley and Matt Swaim conclude their series looking at the life and thought of Martin Luther, and how his experiences shaped him to become the initiator of the Protestant Reformation.
In particular, Ken looks at three key questions about the origins of sola Scriptura that led him to conclude that it could not possibly have been the faith and practice of the early Church.
Having come to that realization, Ken wasn't yet sure what kind of Christian he'd have to become; he just knew that there was no way he could be a sola Scriptura Protestant any longer.
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Jun 29, 2022 • 60min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Episode 97: The Protestant Dilemma
Ken Hensley and Matt Swaim continue their series looking at the life and thought of Martin Luther, and how his experiences shaped him to become the initiator of the Protestant Reformation.
How did Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers respond to the theological chaos that followed from their own teaching of sola Scriptura and the right of private judgment?
In this episode, Ken and Matt discuss the dilemma faced by the Reformers, and faced by every Protestant pastor: how to maintain commitment to the truth that, as Luther said, every Christian is “his own pope and church,” and at the same time to maintain unity in the Protestant movement.
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Jun 22, 2022 • 51min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Episode 96: The Unraveling of Truth
Ken Hensley and Matt Swaim continue their series looking at the life and thought of Martin Luther, and how his experiences shaped him to become the initiator of the Protestant Reformation.
In this episode, Ken and Matt turn their attention from the material principle of the Reformation (sola fide) to the formal principle of the Reformation (sola scriptura) and discuss how Luther’s insistence that Scripture be taken to be the “sole infallible rule of faith and practice” for the Church and the individual Christian led to an unraveling; an unraveling in the realm of truth even more devastating than the unravelling of the doctrine of justification by faith alone led to in the realm of morals.
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Jun 15, 2022 • 55min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Episode 95: Banishing Moses and the Law
Ken Hensley and Matt Swaim continue their series looking at the life and thought of Martin Luther, and how his experiences shaped him to become the initiator of the Protestant Reformation.
As Luther's doctrine of justification began to spread, it brought with it a moral unraveling that Luther lamented, but also admitted resulted from the widespread preaching of “faith alone.” Ken and Matt discuss some of Luther's own statements about the implications of this doctrine, and his frustration with how many were using it as an excuse to act immorally.
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