

On the Journey
The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Dec 21, 2022 • 33min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 114: Non-Catholics are Coming Home (we help!)
In a special behind-the-scenes episode of On the Journey, Matt, Ken and Kenny talk a bit about their roles at The Coming Home Network, the way their experience as converts has informed their approach to the series, and how the pastoral care mission of CHNetwork sets the backdrop for the unique way they go about planning episodes.
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Dec 14, 2022 • 58min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 113: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part V
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass.
For so many Christians, the high point of Sunday worship is the sermon. Why is it that for Catholics, the high point is Holy Communion? Matt, Ken and Kenny begin to dig into the theology underpinning why Catholics approach this question differently than other Christians, and why the Eucharist is the centerpiece of Catholic worship.
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Nov 23, 2022 • 1h 4min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 112: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part IV
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass.
One of the misconceptions about Mass is that it is dead ritual that ignores the saving work of Jesus. Matt, Ken and Kenny show how Jesus is actually the central focus of the Mass, and there are numerous signals, from the readings and prayers, to our actions and postures, to the shape of the building itself, that point to the centrality of Jesus in Catholic worship.
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Nov 16, 2022 • 1h 8min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 111: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part III
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass.
In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny dig into the Liturgy of the Word, the section of the Mass that focuses on Sacred Scripture. They look at the role of the Bible in Catholic worship, and compare it to the role that Scripture played in the worship services from their days as Evangelical Protestants.
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Nov 9, 2022 • 1h 5min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 110: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part II
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass.
In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the Introductory Rites that take up the opening few minutes of the Mass, and discuss how they set the stage for the way that the liturgy will unfold.
They also look at the role of Scripture in this part of the Mass, and how Catholic worship today connects back to the worship of the first Christians.
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Nov 2, 2022 • 1h 7min
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 109 - Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part I
All Christians talk about worship, but not all understand it in the same way. What is our goal in gathering together regularly as a community of believers? What should we be doing when we're together? How does God ask us to worship Him, and how did the earliest Christians seek to honor Him when they gathered?
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard start a new series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass, and discuss the questions each of them began to ask about what true Christian worship should look like.
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Oct 19, 2022 • 1h 5min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 108: Are Protestants Christians?
It's not uncommon for some Protestants to wonder if Catholics are actually Christians. But for Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard, who came from Protestant backgrounds and became Catholic, what did it look like to them to have that question reversed? Are Protestants, in their multitudinous variety of theological expressions and Scriptural interpretations, actually Christians?
Matt, Ken and Kenny share their own stories from the Wesleyan, Baptist and Pentecostal traditions, and unpack not only their own experiences, but also formal Catholic teaching on how to understand those who believe in Jesus but are not formally connected to the apostolic deposit of faith.
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Oct 12, 2022 • 1h 8min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 107: Frequently Asked Questions About Mary
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her.
In this episode, they address some of the common objections non-Catholics have about Mary: the Rosary as "vain repetition," Mary as Mediatrix, apparitions of Our Lady, Marian consecration, and more. Matt, Ken and Kenny share their own experience of wrestling with these questions on their way into the Catholic Church.
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Oct 5, 2022 • 1h 4min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 106: The Intercession of Mary and the Saints
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to discuss what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her.
Beyond the dogmas, there is the question of Marian devotion, and especially the idea of asking her intercession. To answer that, Matt and Ken and Kenny drill down on the concept of the Communion of Saints, and how Mary's unique role among the saints makes her a treasured advocate in heaven.
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Sep 7, 2022 • 1h 8min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 105: Mary’s Assumption and Queenship
Matt, Ken, and Kenny wrap up their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
What is the Biblical precedent for being assumed into heaven? How were queens treated in the Davidic Kingdom? And what does all that have to do with Mary?
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