

On the Journey
The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Sep 3, 2025 • 1h 5min
On the Journey, Episode 173: Purgatory, Part I
There are a lot of ideas out there about Purgatory, from pop culture, to literature, and more, and many of them come by way of myth, misunderstanding, and even memes.
So what does the Catholic Church actually officially teach about Purgatory?
Matt Swaim is joined by former Protestant pastors Kenny Burchard and Ken Hensley to look directly at the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church which formally address Purgatory, and look at the ways that Pope Benedict XVI explained this formal teaching in his encyclical Spe Salvi.
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Jun 18, 2025 • 1h 6min
On the Journey, Episode 172: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part III
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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard concludes his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In our final episode of the series, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals.
So far, we’ve discussed:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
6. Apostolic authority and anointing
7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace
8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters
9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance
10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness
And in this episode, we discuss:
11. Fresh graces that follow initial conversion
12. The sobering reality of apostasy—and the call to perseverance
13. Breakthrough as the fruit of persistent, faithful prayer
14. Embodied worship: kneeling, lifting hands, incense, anointing with oil, song
15. A share in the priestly, prophetic, and kingly mission of Christ
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3.
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t
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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
On the Journey, Episode 171: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part II
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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard continues his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In the second of three episodes on the topic, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals.
Last week we discussed:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
Added to the list this week:
6. Apostolic authority and anointing
7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace
8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters
9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance
10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3.
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t
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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
On the Journey, Episode 170: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part I
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To the casual observer, Pentecostals and Catholics seem to be almost polar opposites in the Christian world. What could they possibly have in common with one another?
Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard begins a discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In this first episode, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about these five elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics." Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith
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Apr 9, 2025 • 47min
On the Journey, Episode 169: The Limits of Sola Scriptura – Sola Scriptura 2.0, Part XI
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
Kenny Burchard shares a list of some key things that the Bible can't tell you using only the principle of sola Scriptura, and Matt Swaim shares how Flannery O'Connor helped him see that the Right of Private Judgment can lead to Gnosticism.
Hope you enjoyed this latest series! We look forward to sharing a new series of On the Journey soon...
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Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 14min
On the Journey, Episode 168: Does Sola Scriptura Make Sense? – Sola Scriptura 2.0, Part X
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny spent previous episodes looking at whether or not the Reformation doctrine of "sola Scriptura" is workable, whether or not it is taught in the Bible, and whether or not it reflects early Christian faith and practice.
In this episode, they look at one more category: Is "sola Scriptura" logical? Does it even make sense?
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Mar 26, 2025 • 1h 11min
On the Journey, Ep 167: Were the Church Fathers "Bible Christians?" – Sola Scriptura 2.0, Part IX
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny did deeper into the historical practice of the earliest Christians, and look at what primary sources can tell us about the role of Scripture in the first centuries of Christianity. How does the way the Church Fathers interacted with Scripture help us understand the nature of authority in the early Church?
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Mar 12, 2025 • 1h 2min
On the Journey, Episode 166: Is Sola Scriptura Historical? – Sola Scriptura 2.0, Part VIII
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny look back at the history of the early Church to ask some key questions about "sola Scriptura." For instance, why did it take so many centuries for the Church to formalize the New Testament? And if "sola Scriptura" was the belief and practice of the early Church, why do the most ancient Christian creeds make no mention of it?
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Mar 5, 2025 • 1h
On the Journey, Episode 165: The Bereans and 2 Timothy 3:16 – Sola Scriptura 2.0, Part VII
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
The two passages of Scripture most often cited in defense of sola Scriptura are the account of the "noble Bereans" in Acts 17, and Paul referring to Scripture as "God-breathed" in 2 Timothy 3:16.
But do these passages truly teach sola Scriptura, or are there better ways to understand them?
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Feb 26, 2025 • 1h 9min
On the Journey, Episode 164: The Circular Reasoning of Sola Scriptura - Sola Scriptura 2.0 Part VI
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
In this episode, they discuss whether the case for "sola Scriptura" is something that is clear from the teachings of Scripture itself, or whether one has to come at Scripture already having a "sola Scriptura" mindset in order to argue that Scripture teaches "sola Scriptura."
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