

On the Journey
The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 1h 16min
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part III - On the Journey, Episode 179
 Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? 
As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley was becoming more and more aware of the prominent Old Testament pattern of faith, followed by obedience, followed by reward, and he wondered: did this pattern continue in the New Testament, or was it replaced by "faith alone"? 
Ken shares what he found when he looked more deeply into the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, and St. Paul in his epistles, regarding the relationship between faith and works in the plan of salvation. 
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Oct 22, 2025 • 1h 8min
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part II - On the Journey, Episode 178
 Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel?
As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley began to discover that his Reformation-inspired understanding of faith being rewarded by salvation, and followed by obedience, didn't match up with the pattern he saw in the Old Testament, of faith, followed by obedience, and then reward.
He shares how this began to shift his thinking as to what the Bible really taught about what it means to be saved.
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Oct 15, 2025 • 59min
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part I - On the Journey, Episode 177
 Matt Swaim talks to former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? 
As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley believed and preached that salvation was by faith alone, apart from works, and that it is accomplished entirely by God; otherwise we could boast about our role in the process.
Ken shares how Martin Luther came to develop his theology of salvation by faith alone, the Scriptures he used to argue for it, and how it came into conflict with the prevailing historic Christian idea of humans cooperating with God's grace on the path to salvation. 
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Sep 24, 2025 • 1h 4min
On the Journey, Episode 176: Purgatory, Part IV
 Matt, Ken, and Kenny conclude their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. 
They wrap up the discussion by focusing on how the Catholic Church really sees Purgatory at the end of the day: as a final purification in the presence of a person, that person being Jesus Christ, whose light dispels all darkness, and who desires eternal fellowship with us all. 
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Sep 17, 2025 • 60min
On the Journey, Episode 175: Purgatory, Part III
 Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. 
This time they address one of the biggest objections to the concept of Purgatory: the story of the thief on the cross, who died alongside Jesus and was promised paradise. He wasn't even baptized! 
So how should we think of the Good Thief's story in the context of Catholic teaching on Purgatory? 
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Sep 10, 2025 • 1h 1min
On the Journey, Episode 174: Purgatory, Part II
 Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. 
This time they address three key questions that people often have about Purgatory: Is it mentioned in Scripture? Is it a second chance for salvation after death? Is it a third place for those who neither merit Heaven nor deserve Hell? 
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Sep 3, 2025 • 1h 5min
On the Journey, Episode 173: Purgatory, Part I
 There are a lot of ideas out there about Purgatory, from pop culture, to literature, and more, and many of them come by way of myth, misunderstanding, and even memes. 
So what does the Catholic Church actually officially teach about Purgatory? 
Matt Swaim is joined by former Protestant pastors Kenny Burchard and Ken Hensley to look directly at the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church which formally address Purgatory, and look at the ways that Pope Benedict XVI explained this formal teaching in his encyclical Spe Salvi.
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Jun 18, 2025 • 1h 6min
On the Journey, Episode 172: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part III
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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard concludes his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In our final episode of the series, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals.
So far, we’ve discussed:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
6. Apostolic authority and anointing
7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace
8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters
9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance
10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness
And in this episode, we discuss:
11. Fresh graces that follow initial conversion
12. The sobering reality of apostasy—and the call to perseverance
13. Breakthrough as the fruit of persistent, faithful prayer
14. Embodied worship: kneeling, lifting hands, incense, anointing with oil, song
15. A share in the priestly, prophetic, and kingly mission of Christ
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3. 
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t 
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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
On the Journey, Episode 171: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part II
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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard continues his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In the second of three episodes on the topic, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals.
Last week we discussed:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
 
Added to the list this week:
 
6. Apostolic authority and anointing
7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace
8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters
9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance
10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3. 
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t 
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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
On the Journey, Episode 170: What Catholics and Pentecostals Have in Common, Part I
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To the casual observer, Pentecostals and Catholics seem to be almost polar opposites in the Christian world. What could they possibly have in common with one another?
Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard begins a discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.
In this first episode, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about these five elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals:
1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship
2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs
3. Charisms expressed through unique callings
4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive
5. Impartation through the laying on of hands
This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics." Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3 
Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith 
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