

Valley of Depth
Payload | Ignition | Tectonic
Valley of Depth is a podcast about the technologies that matter — and the people building them. Brought to you by Arkaea Media, the team behind Payload (space), Ignition (nuclear energy), and Tectonic (defense tech), this show goes beyond headlines and hype. We talk to founders, investors, government officials, and military leaders shaping the future of national security and deep tech. From breakthrough science to strategic policy, we dive into the high-stakes decisions behind the world’s hardest technologies.
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Mar 12, 2024 • 46min
Command and Control, with Nate Hamet (Quindar)
This week's Pathfinder podcast features Nate Hamet, cofounder and CEO of Quindar, a startup attempting to dramatically change satellite operations. Quindar's software suite simplifies satellite command and control, enhancing health, security, and connectivity management. With a rich background in satellite operations at notable companies like OneWeb and Orbital Effects, Nate's team uses their expertise to reduce human intervention and increase efficiency in satellite constellations. In addition, we discuss:Quindar’s origin storyHow mission management software simplifies satellite operationsFully autonomous satellite solutionsThe importance of space cybersecurityAnd much more… • Chapters •00:00 - Intro01:22 - What is Quindar and what are you building?03:14 - What is satellite command and control?05:47 - Nate's background and how he started Quindar10:04 - Why is cyber security important?11:34 - How does the Mission Management Software simplify the operation of satellite constellations?19:55 - Managing data21:34 - How far away are we from fully autonomous solutions?23:30 - How does Quindar make money?25:08 - Use cases beyond space?25:57 - Commercial and government traction27:37 - What is Quindar's ideal customer?29:14 - The onboarding experience33:01 - Location and team35:51 - KSAT integration38:11 - Quindar's plan from recent funding39:59 - What to look out for in the future40:57 - The Star Trek vision41:46 - What is Nate doing when he's not building Quindar? • Show notes •Quindar’s website — https://www.quindar.space/Nate’ socials — https://twitter.com/NateHametMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 19,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing five media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday4) Polaris, our weekly policy briefing, publishes weekly on Tuesdays 5) Payload Research, our weekly research and analysis piece, comes out on WednesdaysYou can sign up for all of our publications here: https://payloadspace.com/subscribe/

Mar 5, 2024 • 47min
Breakthrough Solar, with Stan Herasimenka (Solestial)
Did you ever think that solar power generation in space could be 10x cheaper, 20% more efficient, and extend operational life to over 50 years? Well, that’s what the Arizona-based startup Solestial believes it can achieve with its silicon cell technology. We bring in CEO and cofounder Stan Herasimenka for his first-ever podcast to discuss the unique challenges and differences between terrestrial and space solar cells, and the technological advancements his company is making to produce radiation-hardened, thin, and flexible solar cells for space use.Stan and Mo also cover:Market potential for solar technologyReengineering long-established technologySolestial’s business model and scaling plansFuture trends in space solarAnd much more…• Chapters •00:00 - Intro00:36 - What are you building?00:59 - What prompted Stan to start Solestial?01:57 - Terrestrial vs extraterrestrial solar cells05:10 - How long would a terrestrial solar cell last in space?08:27 - Who are the main players?11:02 - What is III-V?12:25 - Supply/demand gap16:03 - Core product offering18:26 - What is the reason not to have a turnkey solution?19:53 - Cost of activeness vs COTS23:40 - Target cost of cells24:30 - Why would a customer pay more for a premium solar cell?27:37 - Self-curing radiation damage30:52 - Perovskite cells33:20 - Manufacturing and scaling36:18 - Where is Solestial based?37:01 - Customer traction38:39 - Team makeup40:18 - Financing plans?41:51 - When will Solestial have their first array in space?43:13 - What does Stan do when he's not talking about solar cells?44:09 - Other companies Stan is excited about • Show notes •Solestial’s website — https://solestial.com/Stan’s socials — https://www.linkedin.com/in/stan-herasimenka-5932561b/Mo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 19,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing five media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday4) Polaris, our weekly policy briefing, publishes weekly on Tuesdays 5) Payload Research, our weekly research and analysis piece, comes out on WednesdaysYou can sign up for all of our publications here: https://payloadspace.com/subscribe/

Feb 28, 2024 • 57min
The Architect of Change, with Lori Garver (NASA)
This week’s Pathfinder features Lori Garver, a pioneering force in the space industry known for her instrumental role in propelling NASA into the modern era of commercial spaceflight. The former Deputy Administrator of NASA joins us today to discuss how partnerships with private space firms helped to shift the landscape from government-dominated missions to a thriving commercial space sector. In addition, Lori and Mo discuss:NASA’s budget and prioritiesTiming of Artemis and MarsNASA as a Cold War instrumentMuch needed policy changesAnd much more… • Chapters •00:00 - Introduction01:00 - Commercial partnerships during Lori's tenure05:55 - Why did you write your book?08:29 - The COTs program10:42 - Support for the Constellation program12:44 - Is the SLS part of the future of Artemis?15:40 - Feasibility of NASA's Artemis plan19:00 - NASA’s CLPS program22:40 - View on SpaceX's launch dominance25:52 - Future of human spaceflight27:05 - Does NASA risk losing relevance?29:25 - How does great power competition affect NASA?32:48 - Policies Lori is championing34:14 - What prompted Lori to work in the industry?38:40 - What Lori is working on today45:33 - Viability of asteroid mining49:18 - Lori's bets on next Moon/Mars landing50:52 - What does Lori do for fun? • Show notes •Lori's book — https://www.amazon.com/Escaping-Gravity-Quest-Transform-Launch/dp/1635767709Lori’s socials — https://twitter.com/lori_garverMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 19,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing five media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday4) Polaris, our weekly policy briefing, publishes weekly on Tuesdays 5) Payload Research, our weekly research and analysis piece, comes out on WednesdaysYou can sign up for all of our publications here: https://payloadspace.com/subscribe/

Feb 13, 2024 • 49min
Space and Defense Tech Roadmap, with Tess Hatch (BVP)
San Francisco-based venture capital firm, Bessemer Venture Partners, is diving into defense technology, with Payload securing the first interview to discuss the firm's new strategy with Partner Tess Hatch. Despite the firm's historical successes with space companies such as Terra Bella (formerly Skybox), Spire, and Rocket Lab, they are cautiously awaiting a new technological catalyst before making further industry investments.Meanwhile, Tess has turned her attention to the defense sector highlighted in the firm’s recent Bessemer's defense tech roadmap. She highlights AI/ML solutions and autonomous systems as critical investment areas, aiming to influence the future of national security significantly.Tess joins us to recount her transition from an aspiring astronaut to a deep tech investor. In addition, Mo and Tess discuss:Bessemer’s early space thesisA breakdown of defense techThe concept of “dual use”Tech shaping the future of national securityChallenges to defense investingAnd much, much more… • Chapters •00:00 - Intro02:15 - Tess's career arc04:06 - Tess’s transition from engineer to investor06:27 - High capex in deep tech investing09:04 - BVP’s investment strategy15:59 - Space industry today and future predictions18:37 - New investors in the space industry21:07 - A third catalyst?23:41 - Bessemer's defense tech roadmap26:28 - How does Bessemer differentiate itself28:11 - How do you define defense tech?30:43 - Concept of dual use32:21 - Reality of dual use35:12 - Challenges of defense tech investing38:41 - Future opportunity in national security40:53 - Liquidity in defense tech42:48 - Who should partner with Bessemer?45:08 - Favorite war movie/book • Show notes •BVP’s Defense Tech Roadmap — https://www.bvp.com/atlas/roadmap-defense-techBVP’s socials — https://twitter.com/BessemerVPMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/)2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)

Feb 6, 2024 • 1h
Starship is Misunderstood, with Casey Handmer (Terraform Industries)
Our guest this week not only has a PhD in theoretical astrophysics but is also a pilot, musician, entrepreneur, language enthusiast, and a thought leader on how humanity can create a better future for itself. No, we’re not constructing a dating profile, but describing Casey Handmer, the founder of Terraform Industries, a startup focused on scaling technologies to produce cheap natural gas with sunlight and air. Today, Casey joins us not to talk shop about his company's innovations but to share his vast knowledge on a subject he's deeply passionate about—Starship, Starlink, and the future of space exploration. Casey has been a prolific writer on these topics, sharing his insights and analyses on his blog since first discussing Starship in 2019. He has a very clear message: the industry significantly underestimates what Starship is capable of and the impact it will have on society at large.Additionally, Mo and Casey chat:The Artemis program and NASA’s futureThe role of Starlink in societyMars exploration and humanity’s futureEnergy production beyond fossil fuelsThe future of science fictionAnd much, much more…this is one of the most special discussions we've had, so don't miss it.This episode is brought to you by Epsilon3, software for complex engineering, testing, and operational procedures. Learn more at https://www.epsilon3.io/• Chapters •00:00 - Intro & Epsilon3 Ad02:45 - Career arc and Terraform Industries06:33 - Humanity will move beyond fossil fuels by 204009:33 - Everyone must read Casey’s blog10:13 - Is Starship still misunderstood?16:12 - In what ways does Starship challenge traditional design philosophies19:33 - Launch capacity22:25 - $10m launch costs25:14 - Epsilon3 Ad Break25:43 - HLS & why Artemis hasn't been redesigned28:24 - Thoughts on Blue Moon29:43 - Why does a non-Starship Artemis program not move the needle?34:18 - Mars & NASA36:47 - Is Mars a business?37:55 - Startups building in this new regime41:09 - Starship IFTs42:36 - When will we see the first payload deploying Starship launch?43:18 - Does the Starlink model work without Starship?44:28 - Is the Falcon enough to replenish Starlink satellites?45:24 - Will there be political support for a future with Starship?52:05 - How will Starship affect the science fiction genre? • Show notes •Casey’s blog — https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/Terraform’s website — https://terraformindustries.com/Casey’s socials — https://twitter.com/CJHandmerMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/)2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)

Jan 30, 2024 • 47min
Space Research 2.0, with Jack Kuhr (Payload)
Two weeks ago, we launched Payload Research, a new division within Payload dedicated to providing incisive, insight-driven analysis tailored for industry leaders and investors. Today, we welcome Jack Kuhr, the esteemed Research Director of Payload, to go under the hood of our new venture. We explore the motivations behind its inception and offer a glimpse into what the future holds. In addition, they discuss:The Starship Report: This is Payload Research's inaugural publication, offering comprehensive insights into SpaceX’s heavy lift launch vehicleSpaceX’s 2023 Financial Overview: An in-depth analysis of SpaceX's financial performance in 2023, including a detailed breakdown of its revenue and the methodology employed by our team • Chapters •00:00 - Intro00:36 - Jack's history with Payload04:14 - Why are we building Payload Research?10:34 - The Starship Report15:58 - When will we see Starship commercial payloads?20:12 - Starship cost-analysis27:35 - What is Starbase like?30:13 - SpaceX’s 2023 financials33:18 - Launch assumptions34:52 - Starlink assumptions39:38 - SpaceX’s Other revenue42:44 - Payload's next research newsletter43:18 - What should people expect from future Payload research editions?44:50 - What is Jack looking forward to covering the most this year?46:18 - How to sign up • Show notes •The Starship Report — https://payloadspace.com/starship-report/Payload Research’s website — https://www.payloadspace.com/researchJack’s socials —https://twitter.com/JackKuhrMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes • About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/)2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)

Jan 23, 2024 • 40min
The Future of Engineering, with Malory McLemore (Stell)
Our guest this week is Malory McLemore, the co-founder and CEO of Stell, an LA-based startup that is building workflow software to serve as the future data layer for hardware and industrials. Their platform enables complex, multi-company hardware development efforts to track engineering and compliance documentation, replacing traditional methods like Excel sheets and PDFs.Malory shares her journey from being an aerospace engineer dealing with subpar software tooling to founding Stell. In addition, we discuss:Stell’s origin story and fundraising plansDifferentiating engineering toolsApollo-era systems engineeringThe next generation of post-MBA graduatesAnd much more… • Chapters •00:00 - Intro00:48 - What is Stell?01:44 - Malory's career arc in the space industry05:19 - Why are Harvard students becoming more interested in space?06:37 - Malory's previous jobs that led her to Stell today07:49 - How could aircraft like Boeing's latest be improved?10:53 - How have companies operated in the past and why should they work with Stell?12:38 - Current offerings and roadmap14:19 - Stell's business model14:55 - What does the ideal Stell customer look like?15:50 - Stell's selling point16:45 - How do you quantify money savings to a client18:33 - Government clients20:39 - How did Stella build the team22:36 - Plans for expanding beyond aerospace23:28 - How do you differentiate among other engineering management tools?26:51 - Do you think that this looks from other companies, but we’re headed to start to look similar?29:45 - Current fundraising plans30:06 - Grand vision to investors31:41 - What kicked off the growth of hard tech startups?33:23 - What would Malory be working on if it weren't for Stell?33:56 - Apollo-era management37:26 - What does the startup community look like in Huntsville?38:32 - Was building in LA the best decision you've made? Stell's website — https://www.stell-engineering.com/Stell's socials — https://twitter.com/stell_spaceMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes• About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world.Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers. Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms:1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/)2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com)3) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)

Jan 16, 2024 • 45min
Creating Constellations, with Tim Kienberger (LeoStella)
Our guest this week, Tim Kienberger, has been at the forefront of the industry's evolution from large-scale satellite buses to the small satellite revolution. As the current CEO of LeoStella, a joint venture between Thales Alenia Space and BlackSky, he is helping the company redefine small satellite manufacturing.In today's episode, Tim reveals insights into the production of small satellites and the unique challenges of managing a joint venture. In addition, we discuss:LeoStella’s origin storyCislunar spacecraft needsThe impact of Starship on small satellitesScaling challenges of small sat startupsAnd much more…• Chapters •00:00 - Introduction00:22 - Tim's career overview02:40 - Thales/Blacksky JV06:56 - Core offerings and customer makeup09:01 - Current demand12:19 - Product roadmap14:03 - Capability needs from LEO to cislunar17:53 - Government customers19:50 - Balancing customization vs standardization23:18 - Production hurdles26:16 - Competitive landscape27:36 - Challenges for new startups31:32 - Impact of Starship on the small sat market40:18 - Long-term funding needs42:19 - What would Tim be doing if he wasn't in the space industry• Show notes •LeoStella's website — https://leostella.com/LeoStella's socials — https://twitter.com/LeoStellaLLCMo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislamPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes• About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world. Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers.Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms: 1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/) 2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com) 3) Polaris, our weekly policy publication, hits inboxes Tuesday (https://polaris.payloadspace.com/) 4) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)

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Jan 9, 2024 • 49min
Refueling the Space Economy, with Daniel Faber (Orbit Fab)
Daniel Faber, CEO of Orbit Fab, discusses in-space refueling infrastructure, the economics of fuel depots, viability of asteroid mining, contracting with the DoD, partnership with Astroscale, competition in the satellite servicing industry, and fundraising challenges in the space economy.

Dec 19, 2023 • 1h 6min
2023 Year in Review, with Payload's Editorial Team
In the final Pathfinder episode of the year, Mo brings Payload’s editorial staff into the hot seat(s) to discuss the most significant stories of 2023 and share predictions for 2024!In addition to each team member’s trajectory to Payload, we discuss:The shortage in launch supplyStarship and the mainstream media’s reactionThe Chandrayaan-3 lunar landing (and other Moon-related news)The state of space companies in public marketsOrbital debris and the evolution of policyThe evolution of DoD vs NASA budgetsAnd much more…This episode is brought to you by SpiderOak, a US-based software company that builds space cybersecurity products and solutions for civilian, military, and commercial space operations. Learn more at https://spideroak.com/• Chapters •00:00 - Intro & SpiderOak Ad01:31 - Rachael + Payload04:24 - Jacqueline + Payload05:56 - Jack + Payload09:19 - Jack's Top Story of the Year10:29 - Jacqueline's Top Story of the Year13:28 - Rachael's Top Story of the Year15:01 - Why is it still so hard on the Moon?17:42 - The launch shortage22:21 - Media coverage around Starship29:30 - Is the market spot on with Where Space Companies Should Be Trading?32:20 - Jack's analysis on companies' cash flow34:00 - SpiderOak Ad Break34:47 - Jacqueline's policy stories38:07 - Orbital debris40:56 - Space tugging and de-orbiting market44:14 - The Kessler Syndrome46:35 - Why does the Space Force have a bigger budget than NASA?50:01 - Jacqueline's predictions52:11 - Why Jacqueline believes 2024 is the year for debris53:13 - Rachael's predictions54:46 - Timing of the first commercial Moon landing55:48 - Moon vs Mars58:03 - Jack's predictions59:29 - ULA buyers01:01:58 - Jack's favorite space TV show/book01:03:01 - Rachael's favorite space TV show/book01:03:29 - Jacqueline's favorite space TV show/book• Show notes •Jacqueline's socials — https://twitter.com/jacqfeldscherRachael's socials — https://twitter.com/RachaelZiskJack's socials — https://twitter.com/JackKuhrPayload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspacePathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes• About us •Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand built from the ground up for a new age of space exploration and commercialization. We deliver need-to-know news and insights daily to 15,000+ commercial, civil, and military space leaders. Payload is read by decision-makers at every leading new space company, along with c-suite leaders at all of the aerospace & defense primes. We’re also read on Capitol Hill, in the Pentagon, and at space agencies around the world. Payload began as a weekly email sent to a few friends and coworkers.Today, we’re a team distributed across four time zones and two continents, publishing three media properties across multiple platforms: 1) Payload, our flagship daily newsletter, sends M-F @ 9am Eastern (https://newsletter.payloadspace.com/) 2) Pathfinder publishes weekly on Tuesday mornings (pod.payloadspace.com) 3) Polaris, our weekly policy publication, hits inboxes Tuesday (https://polaris.payloadspace.com/) 4) Parallax, our weekly space science briefing, hits inboxes Thursday (https://parallax.payloadspace.com/)


