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The inventor of the CueCat changed his name, and now he’s here to rescue the election from all that fraud. Brett and Christina discuss. Also, Parler, Bean Dad, and some of the hottest software tips around. Sponsor Helix Sleep: take a 2-minute quiz to find the perfect Helix mattress and improve your sleep. Overtired listeners can get up to $200 off on all mattresses, PLUS two pillows. Visit helixsleep.com/overtired to start your quiz. BetterHelp: affordable online counseling with a licensed therapist matched to your specific needs. Visit betterhelp.com/overtired to get 10% off your first month. 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How are you, Christina? [00:00:08] Christina: [00:00:08] I’m good. I’m good. How are you, Brett? [00:00:10] Brett: [00:00:10] don’t I just write this down and read it? [00:00:13] Christina: [00:00:13] I’m not sure, but you should. [00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] it’s three things. It’s me. It’s you it’s over tired. It shouldn’t be so complicated. [00:00:20] Christina: [00:00:20] It’s like, hi, welcome to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. She’s Christina Warren. [00:00:24] Brett: [00:00:24] That’s yeah, I don’t. I should just w I should stop even trying and you should just permanently do the intro. [00:00:31] Christina: [00:00:31] I actually think that’s probably the correct idea. [00:00:33] Brett: [00:00:33] probably best. [00:00:38] I just, I just, my mind freezes. Right? As soon as the, as soon as the intro music and my mind just goes like into a blank slash panic mode. Anyway, how have you been this week? [00:00:53] Christina: [00:00:53] okay. Um, I’m, I’ve been good. I have, I have a yarn to tell, uh, what’s what’s becoming kind of a. [00:01:00] A typical thing for us where, you know, like it’s becoming a segment, which is who is Christina pissed off to speak on the internet, but it’s a good one. Um, but before I get into that and it involves the creator of the QCAT [00:01:14] Brett: [00:01:14] Oh, my. [00:01:15] Christina: [00:01:15] yeah. [00:01:16] Uh, which, uh, we found out what, what, what he’s doing and, um, [00:01:21] Brett: [00:01:21] I can’t wait to hear. [00:01:23] Christina: [00:01:23] Wow. Wow. But yeah, but, but let’s, uh, before that let’s hit up, um, uh, mental health corner first. [00:01:30] Brett: [00:01:30] Yeah. So, uh, can I go first? [00:01:33] Christina: [00:01:33] I obviously [00:01:35] Brett: [00:01:35] I think I went manic this morning. All right. And we’ve talked about how much I kind of. Missed yet. Yeah, I was scared. Like, I don’t want to be manic, but I’ve gotten so much done today. Uh, but what’s happening. Like I had a psychiatrist appointment yesterday and I mentioned that I didn’t think my Vyvanse was working anymore. [00:01:58] And we [00:02:00] settled on trying a new stimulant. Uh, we’re going to try the XR version of Focalin. And Focalin has worked really well for me in the past. But last time I tried it, it sent me into a manic episode. So I assumed that it was the focal in’s fault. Turns out. Like I, I didn’t pick up my new prescription until noon today and I won’t start taking it until tomorrow morning, but I’m already manic. [00:02:27] It has nothing to do with Focalin. It has to do with the excitement of thinking. I’m going to be able to get back to work every time I like have a rough time working. And then, uh, the, uh, there’s a solution on the horizon. I get excited. And then my brain just takes that all the way to fucking manic. Um, so that’s where I’m at right now. [00:02:54] Oh, how are you doing. [00:02:56] Christina: [00:02:56] I’m doing pretty good. I don’t know. I just. [00:03:00] I I’ve struggled as my mental health definitely struggled a lot in 2020, and I’m hoping that it’ll be better in 2021, but this is my first week back at work today, as we’re recording is actually my first day back and that’s been interesting and it was difficult to be totally honest. [00:03:17] It was one of those things where I had to take an extra day yesterday because I was just like, I can’t mentally come back to work and I don’t have any problems at my job. Right. Like I don’t, it’s not like I’m. You know, want to quit my job or, or hate that, or anything is just kinda my general malaise and hating everything that kind of made, you know, there’s like anxiety and other stuff involved. [00:03:44] That just makes even the process of just being like, okay, I got to go back to the grind after two weeks ish off, you know, like struggle with that. So. Um, but I’m, I’m, I’m sad to hear that you’re [00:04:00] manic, but at the same time, I know that you kind of were like, feeling like you needed that again. Um, I’m also glad that, cause we talked about this last week that you’re at least getting your meds. [00:04:11] Cause I know you were worried about that. So. [00:04:13] Brett: [00:04:13] I actually got these meds like four, four or five days after. I got my Vyvanse refilled. So I turned in my Vyvanse and got these meds. So flawless transition there, [00:04:26] Christina: [00:04:26] Very cool. They make you turn them in. [00:04:29] Brett: [00:04:29] Yo yeah. Yeah. If they switch your meds or you get a new prescription, you have to turn in whatever’s right. Oh yeah. Don’t you. [00:04:39] Christina: [00:04:39] I, I guess it’s been so long since I switched. Um, Something like my deck stream, although, no, when, I mean, again though, this was, this was a long time ago, but last time I tried Vyvanse, it certainly was not one of those things where I was asked to surrender my Dexedrine. And when I went back, I was certainly not asked to [00:05:00] surrender my Vyvanse. [00:05:01] Brett: [00:05:01] Oh, wow. That absolutely is required. And my. Uh, psychiatrist or the clinic has a policy that they can ask their patients at any time to bring in their remaining meds for account, just to make sure no one’s abusing anything. [00:05:20] Christina: [00:05:20] Oh, that makes sense. Now, is this like a legal, like requirement from the state? Is this something that like your doctor does? I mean, well, listen, well, I mean, regardless I’m, it could be one of those things that. Like insurance, the pharmacy, or whoever could, could get mad about. But I guess in my case, especially since my doctor is out of state, he just mails me my scripts. [00:05:39] Um, he would definitely not ask me to give mine back, I think, unless there was a concern about something like. [00:05:49] Brett: [00:05:49] in my case, they put a note on the new prescription that says. Uh, that I have to turn in my meds at the pharmacy in order to get the refill, [00:06:00] [00:05:59] Christina: [00:05:59] Interesting. Okay. [00:06:01] Brett: [00:06:01] could totally do. But if he’s not required to, it never hurts to have extras on hand. I’ve learned from it. If those times, when my doctor fails to come through for me, if I had a stash to like, keep like to make it through a [00:06:17] Christina: [00:06:17] Uh huh. [00:06:18] Brett: [00:06:18] period, that would, that could make the difference between going mannequin, not. [00:06:23] Christina: [00:06:23] Yeah, no, I was going to say I have a stash and I, yup. Yup. [00:06:33] Brett: [00:06:33] lucky you that’s not going to happen for me. [00:06:38] Christina: [00:06:38] Um, I, well, I mean, when my shrink inevitably retires and I bet that’ll be sooner rather than later, uh, I will, I will join the really like difficult. [00:06:51] Brett: [00:06:51] Yeah, man. That’s that’s when everything went wrong for me is when my shrink of like nine years retired. And then I [00:07:00] had that couple of years without meds because everything went to hell. When I lost the guy who knew me and understood me and had like been hands-on with my medications for almost a decade, just took off and yeah, everything went very poorly after that. [00:07:16] Christina: [00:07:16] No. I mean, and, and I mean, that’s the worst, honestly, because. Like people don’t understand. Actually, it’s interesting. I was part of a Twitter conversation. Earlier today because people were talking about like, if you have a primary care physician, people like who has that, and a lot of us were kind of chime in and being like, yeah, we have insurance, we have these other things. [00:07:35] It’s like, what the hell is a primary care physician? Um, the closest I have to that is my shrink. But the reality is, is even when you have specialists, even when you have like consistent insurance or whatever, and you’re not switching jobs a lot or whatever, it’s difficult as we’ve talked about for years on this podcast to find people who are good and who know you and who understand. [00:07:55] And, um, yeah, so. [00:08:00] [00:08:00] Brett: [00:08:00] I have a primary care physician that I’ve seen. I see him about once a year, I get like a physical or in my cholesterol and blood pressure checked. Uh, but I, first time I saw him, I said, can I put you down as my primary care physician? And he said, yes. And he’s been mine ever since, even though I never go see him, [00:08:21] Christina: [00:08:21] Yeah, that was kind of a, the case with somebody who I had, um, Uh, for, for a while. And then they left the place that I was going. And so I may, I need to find another one now, but yeah. [00:08:34] Brett: [00:08:34] can I tell you about my kitten? Oh, my God ma so bod is unfathomably cute. And she just started growing into her face. Have you ever seen a long haired kitten? They, they have this main and then taking up about a quarter of their main is their tiny little face with big eyes and their pink nose [00:09:00] and the rest of it. [00:09:01] It’s just like, it’s like, I’m the monster from monster zinc. The actually [00:09:07] Christina: [00:09:07] Oh, yeah. I’m I’m looking I’m I’m uh, I’m I’m looking at this now. Oh my gosh. [00:09:11] Brett: [00:09:11] what’s the, the phone company that has monsters for their commercials. Uh, a mobile carrier, like not mint mobile. Um, I forget anyway, there’s a character on there that reminds me a lot of bod. Um, but she’s finally like over the last couple of weeks, it started growing into her face. And she, it, I, I will miss her being a kitten, but she’s so unfathomably cute. [00:09:40] Now. I have every reason to believe she’s going to make the best looking adult care. [00:09:46] Christina: [00:09:46] That’s awesome. I love that. You need to send me photos. Okay. That went, [00:09:52] Brett: [00:09:52] young. [00:09:53] Christina: [00:09:53] that went dark super quick, [00:09:55] Brett: [00:09:55] so I’m still in a place where I have this level of [00:09:58] Christina: [00:09:58] I’ve been again. [00:09:59] Brett: [00:09:59] Yeah. [00:10:00] Like, I feel like I should still be mourning Finnegan, and yet I have this new kitten that I love to death and there’s this conflict that happens for me, where I feel guilty for not still being completely in mourning. [00:10:16] And I it’s, I wrestle with it like I do mourn for Finnegan, and that is, uh, a tragedy in my life. But also I love bod. I’m glad bod showed up. [00:10:31] Christina: [00:10:31] Well, I mean, that’s the thing, right? I mean, I think that, I think that’s normal. I think most people, when they lose someone, if, when you feel any sense of moving on, you feel like, Oh, I should still be upset, but it’s like, At the same time. What good does that do? It’s not like being happy about something else in the Gates, the fact that you were in pain or are in pain about something, it just means that you’ve been able to emotionally get to a place where that’s not all consuming you and that’s a good thing. [00:10:58] Brett: [00:10:58] Yeah, I guess so [00:11:00] that’s what my therapist says. [00:11:04] Christina: [00:11:04] Yeah. I mean, I think, I think it’s a good thing. So, um, I I’m, I’m happy to hear that that bod is, uh, Continuing to be cute. How is, uh, how, how are, uh, is a she and the other cat? How is that going? [00:11:18] Brett: [00:11:18] Um, we’re still isolating them. Uh, today I will get a package from Amazon that will have pheromones, uh, like a plugin thing that, uh, emits the pheromones, that cats, Mark things with when they’re comfortable, that’s supposed to help ease transitions for households with multiple cats. So once we have that up, then I have to rig up. [00:11:44] Some kind of screen, uh, so that they can eat their meals and see each other without actually going into each other’s territory. The problem being bod can climb just about anything. So I either need a [00:12:00] floor to ceiling screen, I need to come up with some cool contraption with paper and cardboard that she can’t, uh, climb over the top of. [00:12:12] I have to make like a, a border wall for her. [00:12:15] Christina: [00:12:15] I was going to say this, this is seeming at which actually is, is a good segue into, uh, uh, Christina pisses people off on the internet. But yeah, you need to, you need to come up with some sort of border wall situation, some sort of prison wall situation for bod. [00:12:34] Brett: [00:12:34] Yeah. Um, so speaking of, um, grieving over kittens and mental health and all of these things we’ve just been talking about, and I even mentioned therapy just now. I would like to introduce, uh, one of our sponsors for this week. We’ve talked about them before. I’ve been talking for a while about how therapy has been really good for [00:13:00] me and, uh, working with my ADHD and just for life in general and the way I’ve been getting my therapy is through better help. [00:13:08] Better help is professional therapy available remotely. You fill out a detailed questionnaire and they match you with a professional therapist. 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Uh, so I’ve never thought that I had that much, that I couldn’t talk about, but it’s turned out that I have a lot of things that I don’t bring up to. Just anyone. Uh, things that have come out that I’ve been able to get off my chest and it’s been great to have the outlet. [00:14:28] So start living a happier life today as an overtired listener, you’ll get 10% off your first month by visiting our sponsor@betterhelp.com slash overtired. Join over 1 million people who have taken charge of their mental health. Again, that’s better help. H E L p.com/overtired. Thanks. Better help. It’s been great. [00:14:53] Christina: [00:14:53] Thank you better help. [00:14:55] Brett: [00:14:55] So yeah, let’s move on to, um, uh, QCAT [00:15:00] discussion. [00:15:00] Christina: [00:15:00] Yeah. Okay. So last week there was this insane hearing in the Georgia state Senate about the election. And people testified about whether the vote was, you know, uh, once again, trying to offer proof that the vote was. Uh, stolen, which you know, is bullshit and, and which the three state audits have proven is completely inaccurate. [00:15:26] And as the, the phone call that I think we might talk about, uh, that leaks, which was kind of stunning an hour long phone call between the secretary of state. And, um, the president and his, uh, soon to be, you know, former president, but, uh, still as of today, uh, president of the United States and his chief of staff where he was basically all, but kind of quasi threatening them to just find a way to make the votes count and to just, you know, restate who won the election. [00:15:56] Um, so they had this insane hearing and, and this guy in [00:16:00] this hearing. Was brought up as this tech expert and his name is Joe Bon Hutton, Hewlett, sir, it was not his, his real name. He changed his name, but, but that’s what he goes by now. And he was talking about how he can use some sort of kinetic, um, or kinematic, uh, you know, like, um, uh, Uh, method of ascertaining, whether the ballots were real or fake and where they were printed and whether humans filled them out or, or, um, you know, computers and, and all this other stuff. [00:16:28] And he talked about how he has all these patents that are used on billions of devices all over the world. And he’s this expert in all these different areas. And then he also claimed during the hearing that he successfully hacked into one of the, um, voting machines in Fulton County. So I’m watching this and, and, and, and this guy just, you know, all of my red flags go off, I’m like, who the hell is this guy? [00:16:54] And it was like, I don’t know, two o’clock in the morning, one 30 in the morning. And so I [00:17:00] started doing some Googling. And, uh, I’m just going to read you my Twitter thread, a brief thread on Joe van Hutton. Culet sir, the crazy con man who is now claiming to have hacked into the Georgia voting machines in Fulton County. [00:17:15] Nineties kids in tech aficionados might remember Giovan as the inventor of the QCAT the dumbest gadget of all time. You remember the QCAT Brett. [00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] I still have one. [00:17:26] Christina: [00:17:26] Yeah. Yeah. Um, also for anyone who wants to claim the Giovan Hutton, Pulitzer, um, not his given name, but one, he changed legally at the QCAT debacle invented QR codes. [00:17:37] He did not like that other right wing crazy man who claimed to have invented email Giovan did not invent QR codes because this was a big thing that he’s been claiming. He’s like I had done it. QR codes. No, you invented the QCAT. Uh, QP QR codes were invented by the Japanese about six years before the QCAT came out. [00:17:56] Um, and you have a patent that they’re [00:18:00] from other research I’ve done. There was some actually validity, even at the time, some, some claims that it might’ve been fringed upon something about scanning a certain proprietary code and going to a website. But you didn’t invent QR codes. Uh, I’ll continue my thread. [00:18:14] He did invent the QCAT a product that somehow raised $185 million freight tethered, barcode scanner for magazines and newspapers. So you could get ads from your ads. As I said, the dumbest product of all time. Good backup barcode scanners after they were hacked. However, Oh, that’s another thing. When QCAT was a thing, it systems were hacked. [00:18:36] I guess that’s what makes Giovanna security expert. His bankrupt company from 20 years ago was hacked and wildly mocked. He’s a genius in recent years, Giovan pivoted to being a treasure Hunter who was featured on and widely mocked on cursive Oak Island, because the man is insane. This is true. He actually pivoted to becoming a treasure Hunter who claimed to have found a Roman sword [00:19:00] in Nova Scotia and that he was on the verge of finding the Ark of the covenant. [00:19:05] I wish I was making this up. Um, anyway, this is the man will finish up my thread that, that, uh, Rudy and the gang are claiming as a tech and security expert. Uh, these at these Russia hearings, someone at Gizmodo or at Berge needs to block this because this is hilarious. Um, his LinkedIn wants you to know that he’s taken free online classes at Harvard and Stanford. [00:19:27] Yeah. Also, I found an interview with him where he blames Mark Cuban being mean about QCAT for his wife, divorcing him. He also amazed them insane claims about Walt Mossberg that I won’t dignify. Um, but he seriously, this is the guy who is Rudy’s tech expert. This is how efficient this is. Um, uh, now officially hilarious someone please block this. [00:19:47] Well, the verse did blog it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. The verge as did Gizmodo. Thank you guys, Modo. And, um, it, it went, uh, more viral than I assumed that it would, um, uh, [00:20:00] 1,400 likes 496, retweets, 205 quote tweets, and a whole bunch of activity from both people who are saying, and, and remember the QCAT and thought this whole thing was hilarious as well as people who were, you know, flat out crazy and believe all the nonsense that this guy. [00:20:16] Has sprouted who were calling me every name in the book and, and sending me gross emails and with their real phone numbers, which smart, um, and, uh, you know, just, just claiming that, that I’ll never be as successful as this guy. So to which I think I glibly responded to one, well, at least I have a Wikipedia page. [00:20:34] Um, the joke there being that, not that I have a Wikipedia page because who cares? That’s irrelevant, but. This guy so badly wanted a Wikipedia page that he created like three or four different sock puppet accounts to try to get himself one. And when that didn’t work, he created like, I’m not even joking, like five different websites, um, like just like Blogspot or WordPress blogs, where he tries to maintain his own [00:21:00] hagiography of, of why he’s relevant. [00:21:04] Brett: [00:21:04] This is amazing. [00:21:05] Christina: [00:21:05] Yeah. Yeah. The QCAT guy, the QCAT guy, like this was the thing that was just stunning me. I was like, why? I mean, how is anyone taking anything that he’s saying seriously? Also people kept pointing out well, he has all these patents. That means he’s successful. And I’m like that beans, nothing. It just means the guy has a ton of free time on his hands because he’s never worked another job as far as I can tell. [00:21:30] And, um, Files patents all day that somehow get approved, even though most of them are idea patents and don’t actually have a mechanism for anything. Like he claims he invented responsive design because he has a patent that for that doesn’t have any mechanism involved. But, but that basically says a website will look the same on multiple different types of devices. [00:21:52] It’s like, yeah. Yeah, genius. Um, I didn’t even get into the thing is that people were like [00:22:00] accusing me of, of, uh, you know, uh, well, the funny thing isn’t, they’re accusing me of Slater and I was like, no, if anything is libel slander spoken, um, what I’m doing right now w would, would, would potentially be slander except that in both libel and slander truth, uh, trumps all of it. [00:22:17] So I’m completely fine. Uh, but they were like saying, Oh, you know, you’re, you’re, you know, taking cheap shots and dah, dah, dah. And I’m like, I didn’t even get into, and I didn’t get into it, these people because who cares, but I’ll, I’ll, I’ll just share. I didn’t even get into all the insane stuff that this guy has done. [00:22:34] Like his, um, life before the QCAT he was an infomercial producer and he, again, then like got into it. Huge fights with people who laughed at him in the whole treasure hunting community. I mean, just let’s just think about this for a minute. This guy is so bad shit that the treasure hunting community, which is [00:23:00] not a community that I’m going to be honest, I think is really all there. [00:23:04] Um, that, that the people who, uh, participate in and watch a show on history channel about people who think that they can find buried treasure. Even, they were like, yeah, this guy’s nuts. [00:23:18] Brett: [00:23:18] Yeah, there’s like three different topics here. At least. Like first, we could talk about the QCAT second. We could talk about like the, the political side of the responses. And third, we will, obviously, we’re gonna talk about, uh, uh, impeaching Trump again, but first I, I really do what was the original purpose of the QCAT? [00:23:45] Well, let’s, let’s say what a QCAT is for anyone who’s who’s young enough to not know. [00:23:50] Christina: [00:23:50] Sure. So it was a barcode scanner that, um, was actually then I guess, modified. So it couldn’t scan general barcodes, but what [00:24:00] it would do is if you had a magazine or newspaper or, uh, or whatever that had the special type of code. When you’re on an ad or accessing an article, and the idea would be rather than typing in a URL, you would take this thing that was connected to your computer, using a USB or a PSU cable. [00:24:19] You would scan the code, you would have their special software installed, and it would then take you to a website associated with that code. Usually, you know, it’s going to be associate with an ad. Sometimes, maybe it would be a specific article or something else, but rather than typing in a URL, you would go through this convoluted process of having to scan something into your computer. [00:24:43] Um, it was what, with a special device and it was widely mocked, like Walt Mossberg, who this guy has a major hangup on to this day basically called it, you know, uh, you know, um, A solution searching for a problem and talked about [00:25:00] how it was an elegant and that it assumed that you were going to have to be wanting to read whatever you were doing in front of your computer, which made sense. [00:25:07] And, um, people figured out that it was tracking all of your web browsing behavior. Like you had to give them your address and your name and stuff like that. When you got thing, right. And it would then kind of track what you were doing. They were hacked. And so databases of people’s activity was leaked and you know, it was a mess, but the, the, the reason they ran out of money, they raised all this money, like $200 million, which is insane, but then they blew it because they sent these devices out to people for free. [00:25:36] So you could go to radio shack and get one. You could get, like, they came with wired magazine. I think Forbes had them, or you could just like request one and they would just mail them out to people. Uh, they were just assuming that people would just. Love these things and would absolutely want to scan all of their ads and, and interact with things that way. [00:25:54] And, and that, uh, you know, the, the profits would just soar in that didn’t happen. People were [00:26:00] just like, why did I get this thing? What am I going to do with it? Why do I need this thing connected to my computer? This is dumb. And quickly people figured out how to kind of reverse engineer things to maybe, you know, clip, um, certain. [00:26:15] Wires or whatever, and to get it to work with Linux or to make it just a general barcode scanner. And when people did that, like the company threatened to Sue them and all kinds of other stuff, it didn’t work with Mac, like had all these issues. Um, and so when the company went bankrupt and they like went bankrupt makes up like chapter seven bankrupt, uh, library thing bought, I think like. [00:26:37] A lot of them, cause they still had like over a million of them that were unsent out, uh, for like, like one or 2 cents a piece and has been selling them for the last decade, plus for, you know, $10 a pop. And then you could use it with software that you would use to maybe organize your books or your DVDs or whatever. [00:26:59] Um, [00:27:00] But the, the general purpose was genuinely stupid. It was like, it’s so hard to type in a URL that you have to scan this, this link to do it, which to me like misses the, the next major technical advancement. Right. Because on the one hand you can say, yeah, it is hard to type in these really long URLs, you know, from a magazine that’s really awkward. [00:27:23] Well, Rather than coming up with a solution to type in that URL. Maybe you should think about what the real solution to that is, which is I’m going to be reading this article on a website and use a hyperlink that will take me to that, that destination and that the print magazine or newspaper that I’m reading is going to go away. [00:27:45] Like. I don’t know, maybe just, maybe it’s just me, but to me, that seems like if you’re really going to be like forward thinking, that’s the real thing you should think about, which is yeah. URL type. Having to type in a long URL is not going to be a [00:28:00] problem in the future because people will just click the hyperlink. [00:28:04] Brett: [00:28:04] can I tell you a secret? [00:28:05] Christina: [00:28:05] You can [00:28:06] Brett: [00:28:06] I still read wired on paper. [00:28:09] Christina: [00:28:09] get a subscription from them on paper. Cause it’s cheaper than doing it online, but I, um, [00:28:14] Brett: [00:28:14] bathroom reading. [00:28:16] Christina: [00:28:16] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get that and I get vanity fair in print. Um, but I think I usually read them like even in PDF form or whatever, like on an iPad. [00:28:28] Brett: [00:28:28] Yeah. I mean, I, I, I referenced a lot of weird articles on my computer. But I do still read the print version. [00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Yeah. And there’s nothing wrong with that. [00:28:39] Brett: [00:28:39] ever see an ad that I think, you know what I want to follow up on this. I need to type in a URL. If, uh, if, if a company has branded at all, well, has any kind of reasonable URL? Uh, it has never been something where I thought I wish I had a device that could get me from this page to their [00:29:00] website. [00:29:00] Christina: [00:29:00] Exactly or, you know, even in the case of, okay, you like to, you still like the, the, the print experience, which is fine. If there was something that was like LinkedIn, that, that you wanted to check out when you’re opening up your web browser, what makes more sense to having to like track down that URL, which may or may not be that long or, um, I don’t know, just going to the website for that article and clicking the link. [00:29:25] Brett: [00:29:25] I can’t remember what the app was called, but there was a really good like library app for Mac [00:29:34] Christina: [00:29:34] Delicious library. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. And that was actually, I think I bought one of those cute cats that had been declawed and that’s what I used it for. [00:29:45] Brett: [00:29:45] Yep. That is exactly why I own one. I’m just thinking if there’s still a web page because the app’s gone, isn’t it? [00:29:53] Christina: [00:29:53] I mean, I think it’s technically still around, but I think it’s on like life support. [00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] It’s on the, on the Mac app store. Huh? [00:30:00] I thought it died years ago. [00:30:02] Christina: [00:30:02] Well, I mean, I think it basically did. I think that it’s basic, I don’t think it’s basically been updated. Um, like if you went to delicious monsters website, it still looks like it’s. 2009. Um, I mean, I, I did kind of like feel bad for them a little bit because Apple completely ripped off the design with the first eye books. [00:30:25] You remember that? [00:30:26] Brett: [00:30:26] Yup, totally. [00:30:27] Christina: [00:30:27] Um, but. [00:30:29] Brett: [00:30:29] like the, one of the major breakthroughs of delicious library was there, um, scanning, uh, kind of technology. Like it could read a barcode so fast. You wouldn’t even have time to hold it up. Like it would just be done. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Apple has gotten that down. [00:30:49] Like if you go to scan in the back of your, uh, like iTunes gift card you even get it up to the screen, it’s already done, like [00:30:57] Christina: [00:30:57] Yeah, no, it’s good. Yeah. [00:30:58] Brett: [00:30:58] solved it. And [00:31:00] like, when they first started doing that, there was talk that they had sherlocked, uh, some of delicious libraries capabilities there. [00:31:08] Christina: [00:31:08] No, without a doubt. And I think the big thing for them was at one point they had some sort of partnership with, with Amazon or something where you could, you know, like search for things within Amazon, or they’d try to get affiliate links or whatever. Amazon shut that down. I don’t remember all the, all the, um, Ram now, but yeah. [00:31:25] It’s been awhile, but yeah, the app, the app was, was a thing, I guess it’s apparently still updated for big Sur, which, you know, that’s, that’s cool. [00:31:33] Brett: [00:31:33] has a four star rating. [00:31:34] Christina: [00:31:34] Um, but yeah, I mean, it’s one of those things that I, I mean, I haven’t used it in years. Um, and I think, you know, it’s such a niche thing. Um, [00:31:45] Brett: [00:31:45] was great for cataloging all your hard copy books that, that are becoming a rarity themselves. [00:31:51] Christina: [00:31:51] Yeah, no, exactly. Right. I mean, it was, it was great design. Like I think the design actually kind of helped inform a certain era of, of Mac development, which I really appreciate, [00:32:00] but yeah. But, but regardless, like I said, my threat I’m like, yeah. So there’s the secondary market for this device, but the original purpose. [00:32:07] Was a colossal failure and the company went out of business hard. Like I, you know, the guy obviously must be a good bullshit artist because he was able to convince all these companies, um, most of which are now extinct like radio shack to, to give him lots and lots of money. But I mean, it’s just the dumbest freaking idea. [00:32:28] In fact, I think I will. And, and the reason I stand by saying it’s the dumbest. I think the device has cost them like six 50 a piece to make. And they made like, you know, a couple million of them and mailed them out to people. Uh, and yeah, it’s like, okay, that, yeah, you’re going to blow through all of your funding that way. [00:32:48] Um, especially if you don’t have anything else to kind of, you know, pick up with it and it’s it’s um, the only device I would say might have been dumber. But I’ll give this one slight benefit of the doubt because Sony did actually mail me a [00:33:00] check with my money back. Um, was there was the stupid Sony device. [00:33:04] I, I’m going to try to think of the name of it, um, to add to the show notes, um, after the episode, but I’m not going to able to think of it right now, but it was this stupid device. Where they had this web server, that monitored radio stations all over the country. And so the, the problem that we’re trying to solve is what song is playing on the radio right now. [00:33:23] And this is before radio stations were digital. And before like in-car systems would have, you know, like a scrolling marquee of what song was playing. And so you click on this device and it was basically a timestamp. And the other end was a USB and he’d plug it into the USB and it would take the timestamp and it would compare it with the Arbitron stuff or whatever was on Sony’s website. [00:33:43] And it would tell you on this station, this was the song that was playing, but you, but there were a couple of problems. Like there were only a couple of stations that you could have dedicated as your favorites and, you know, could only store a certain order of these time codes, but it was a really kind of simplistic thing, but it was like 20 bucks. [00:34:00] [00:34:00] And I bought one because a friend had one, this was, this was 2000 and I use it a few times. Cause at first I thought it was maybe more impressive than it was. I think when my friend showed me, I’d assumed that it was maybe like a Shizam type of thing. It was not a Shizam type of thing. It was literally a timestamp that was then just querying, you know, logs of radio station playlists, and coming back with results. [00:34:24] Um, Sony very quickly realized that this was dumb. And sent emails, uh, or, you know, and I wound up getting something in the mail to everybody who bought it and was like, we’re discontinuing this, here’s a $20 check for your money back. Like they act. But, so the reason I will say, cause like in theory, I will actually say that’s a dumber thing than the QCAT. [00:34:50] But the reason I say that it’s not was because Sony actually refunded my money. And as I recall, like, I didn’t have to do anything other than after I’d [00:35:00] registered it. The first time I got a check in the mail, like it was one of those things and it, and it was actual cash. It wasn’t like a certificate or anything like that. [00:35:08] Like they actually like sent me a check in the mail. Cause I remember this cause I wasn’t 11. Great. And I was like, okay, um, thanks. So. Yeah. Um, so anyway, yeah, the QCAT really, really dumb. I wound up like, just doing hard research on how dumb this guy is, but yeah, we should talk about the political side of this because the fact that th these are the people that they can get to show proof, um, of, of, you know, um, [00:35:41] Brett: [00:35:41] that these are the experts that they hinge everything on. So, About this call. Um, I watched, uh, a link. There was a legal Eagle. Um, you ever watched that guy? [00:35:55] Christina: [00:35:55] I love him. [00:35:56] Brett: [00:35:56] He’s awesome. Um, but he did a thing [00:36:00] on the Georgia call and whether or not it was criminal and B, whether it could be impeachable and, uh, it was yes to both. [00:36:08] Uh, he does really good research and was able to list all of the statutes that that call potentially broke. Um, but, uh, In the slate article about this, uh, this infamous already infamous after a couple of days. Yeah. Georgia call. They did mention quote in the unlikely event that Congress were to make him the first president ever to be impeached twice and impeachments can happen. [00:36:38] Even after elected officials leave office, then he could be disqualified from running for high office again in the future. And that’s why I think we should impeach the fucker again. Right quick. [00:36:50] Christina: [00:36:50] Yeah, no, I agree if that actually is like, if, if that would actually stand with the president of the United States, that they would say, okay, if the president United [00:37:00] States is impeached again, then he will, um, not be able to run again. Like if it’s out of office I’m, I’m in favor of that. I think that. Part of me, I think my general kind of Malays against any of that is that I worry that it’ll just be yet another distraction that still focuses attention on him when I would actually rather us just get to a place as quickly as possible, where we don’t even talk about him, where he’s not part of the conversation where his every move is not part of the new cycle, because I think that the [00:37:33] Brett: [00:37:33] until 2024 when he comes back again. [00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] well, and again, I’m. [00:37:37] Brett: [00:37:37] if we could dedicate just enough, more mind space to make sure he can’t run again, I’d be way [00:37:44] Christina: [00:37:44] it, I mean, I would too. I just, I think it’s going to depend on like the Senate makeup. Cause right now we wouldn’t get the votes to impeach him. It would be like what happened before. So if you’re not going to be able to successfully do it, I don’t think you should bother. And the reason I say that is [00:38:00] because again, I just feel like that prolongs us talking about him when I would like to get to the point where, and I think this is, I think I mentioned this before. [00:38:08] I would really like the media to be in a place where, when he’s no longer president everything he says and does is no longer a news story. And. [00:38:18] Brett: [00:38:18] think we’re already getting, I got your C like he S. Bill comes up way more frequently than he should, but there’s a definite sense of peace around. Like, we can just talk about boring old Joe Biden now. [00:38:32] Christina: [00:38:32] Right. No, totally. And, and, and I agree with that and I also feel like. If he’s just threatening to run or whatever, like that’s not newsworthy. And until a campaign really kicks off, which would be late 20, 23 at the earliest, I feel like the media should just take it upon themselves to be like, this is not viable stuff that we need to be reporting on right now. [00:38:54] Just ignore it. Um, let [00:38:57] Brett: [00:38:57] man shouting at his television. [00:39:00] [00:38:59] Christina: [00:38:59] Completely completely. You know, I unfortunately do not agree with some people tend to believe in and I hope they’re right. I hope I’m wrong that he will be, you know, banned from Twitter. I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Uh, I don’t think that Twitter has the balls to do that once he’s not president anymore. [00:39:17] I just don’t think they do. But I feel like as soon as the microscope. Is off of him and he’s not getting any and you’re right. It, it has been less and less of him being covered. But as soon as like, you know, he’s no longer the focal point and center of attention, that’s that’s, to me, you’re always going to have your zealots and, and your populous, who are gonna love the guy, but it, it makes it a lot harder for him to be part of the conversation and be part of the discourse. [00:39:47] So, [00:39:48] Brett: [00:39:48] Um, have you seen the Twitter account parlor takes. Speaking of banning Trump, [00:39:56] Christina: [00:39:56] I have not, but I’ve seen the, the subreddit, [00:40:00] um, that is similar. Um, but I’m now going to cover, I’m now going to follow rather the parlor takes Twitter account. That’s great. Cause, cause I’ve wanted to, I’ve I’ve been curious about parlor, but I’ve, I think we’ve talked about this. I refuse to give them my phone number and I don’t even, and I don’t even want to give them a Google voice number. [00:40:17] Like I don’t want to, I don’t want anything that could be associated with my actual identity to go there. [00:40:21] Brett: [00:40:21] So this, this Twitter account has kind of, uh, I’ve let go of the idea of like trolling parlor and I just follow parlor takes on Twitter and their bio is simply, I look at parlor, so you don’t have to, and they basically kind of track the, uh, the crazy on parlor and show parlor apparently has downvotes. [00:40:45] Instead of just likes it has downvotes which accounts like parlor takes, can use to see what the most, most trollish things on parlor are. Like, it’s like an automatic identifier [00:41:00] for this. These are the things that most piss off parlor users. Um, but yeah, it’s, it’s, there’s a lot of crazy. There’s a lot of, uh, a lot of, uh, conspiracy theories. [00:41:11] I think that I. If people would leave Twitter and go to parlor and isolate themselves there, I think I’m fine with it. Uh, if, if Trump decided that parlor was more worth his time than Twitter, I’d be fine with it. Uh, but I don’t think Twitter is going to force that to happen. [00:41:30] Christina: [00:41:30] Uh, no, I don’t think so either. And the subreddit by the way is called parlor watch, which is a similar thing, um, which I appreciate, [00:41:42] Brett: [00:41:42] Yeah. Anyway, fuck [00:41:44] Christina: [00:41:44] um, I’m so I’m so happy that we’re almost over this, this whole thing is almost over this ride is almost over. [00:41:53] Brett: [00:41:53] Uh, as of the time, this comes out, Georgia will be voting on their [00:42:00] runoff elections. I, I really, I hope they come through. I don’t, I don’t love the Democrats these days. Or probably for the last 40 years, but, um, having them completely hamstrung again by Mitch McConnell is not gonna make any forward progress at all. [00:42:20] So I, I do hope that we can get at least a, a vice president tips, majority in the Senate. And we can have four years of actually like trying to push legislation. [00:42:33] Christina: [00:42:33] Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. And I, um, I’m not confident that Georgia is gonna be able to pull it out. I th I feel like we, I feel like might get one. Um, [00:42:44] Brett: [00:42:44] help. It’s [00:42:45] Christina: [00:42:45] I know, [00:42:46] Brett: [00:42:46] all or nothing. My [00:42:47] Christina: [00:42:47] I know, but I, um, Sadly. I lived there for too long to really have a lot of hope, but you know what? I was wrong about the presidential election. I never thought that Georgia would go for Biden. [00:42:58] So [00:43:00] [00:43:00] Brett: [00:43:00] God damn close, but. Yeah. I mean, considering everyone’s impression of how Georgia would vote. Very surprising. [00:43:08] Christina: [00:43:08] yeah, I just see this in the news. On the New York times, Tyler Perry didn’t get his absentee ballot. So he flew home to Georgia to vote in person. Good man. Tyler Perry. Um, [00:43:18] Brett: [00:43:18] That’s what I’ve always said about Tyler Perry. Good man. [00:43:21] Christina: [00:43:21] I mean, yeah. Also rich as fuck, because he owned a lot of the studios that, uh, all the film companies ran out. Now. He built first before all the tax breaks, but all the other, you know, uh, production companies there. So mofo is, is like Medea, Medea got paid. [00:43:48] Brett: [00:43:48] Nice. [00:43:49] Christina: [00:43:49] yeah. Um, so speaking to Twitter stuff, D is this now maybe we want to talk about, uh, uh, Roderick. [00:43:58] Brett: [00:43:58] Yeah, I guess we should, [00:44:00] because that kind of, it fits into the theme being dad. I’ll tell this story the way I understand it. Um, John Roderick, uh, who we both love, uh, We know him from many different places, formerly with the long winters and actually still, maybe, um, and Roderick on the line. And apparently he has some like more mainstream God casts that he does that I don’t even follow, but he’s been a guest. [00:44:30] He did a four-part series on systematic with me. I he’s a good guy. I, [00:44:35] Christina: [00:44:35] is a good guy. I’ve met him a number of times and yeah. [00:44:38] Brett: [00:44:38] but. Uh, I don’t know exactly when this happened. Uh, I didn’t hear about it until this morning. He, he tweeted a long, uh, tweet storm. What do they call those these days? Uh, a thread, a thread, um, he tweeted a thread about how he, his, his daughter had wanted, [00:45:00] uh, beans, uh, uh, baked beans. [00:45:03] And he found out that she didn’t know how to open a can. So he started teaching her how to open a can and they decided that, or he decided they wouldn’t eat until she could open the can. And it took her six hours to learn how to open a can at which point they ate. And he tweeted this as like a, a dumb dad story. it didn’t go over well with Twitter. Uh, it, it triggered a lot of people’s, uh, kind of abuse. Detectors. And, uh, people immediately, uh, saw him as a, uh, an abusive parent and, uh, that went viral, like all over the news, uh, hashtag bean dad. Um, and then people started digging up old tweets of his, that came across as [00:46:00] homophobic and antisemitic and yeah. [00:46:03] And so I will link his kind of his apology. He, in the meantime, uh, gut reaction deleted his Twitter account entirely, uh, went off the grid. Uh, then I think yesterday published an apology post kind of explaining his take on things. And it, it, it, his, his apology makes perfect sense to me. Like everything he says rings true for me. [00:46:33] I think people would have to read it for themselves it aside, but, uh, like as far as the old tweets go, he, he, he had this, uh, hipster persona that he thought he was, it was woke enough that he could casually mock racism, sexism, homophobia, and, and use the language of the, uh, disenfranchised groups to, [00:47:00] to be an ally. [00:47:01] But out of context, those absolutely come across as him just being those things. So I I’m not, I can’t justify, like that was stupid. There. They [00:47:12] Christina: [00:47:12] it was, and yeah, I’m, I’m not going to justify any of the, the language that he used and, and I’m not even going to justify it by saying at the time Twitter was a different place during that. Cause it wasn’t like it’s never okay. In my opinion, to use the N word ever. Um, in any context, um, like. I, if you’re a white person, it’s just not like, uh, you know, when, when you read it in, in, in, in, you know, books, magazines and things of that nature. [00:47:41] Okay. Whatever, but like to, to use it in a tweet, even, even if it’s with whatever the context is, it’s just, it’s not okay. And the other stuff he said, even knowing the context, it’s like, yeah, that’s, that was edgy too, for the sake of being edgy. And it doesn’t, it doesn’t, you know, Um, age well, but [00:48:00] even then, you know, I think it’d be one of those things that like, I wouldn’t have used those words then, but that said, I, I do know him and I know what his intentions were and it doesn’t change. [00:48:11] Um, the fact that that people could be offended by it. But I think to me, what bothers me, and I’m curious on your take on this, I read as apology and it’s not look, it’s not up to me to accept it or not because I’m not somebody that he harmed. Um, but I am bothered by the disingenuousness. Uh, people searching through this is similar to the James Gunn thing where, you know, people will, will be, will be mad at somebody about something and will then search through their past to find a reason to justify their anger about this one thing. [00:48:41] And then to retroactively, without any sense of context, without anything else, take them down. And as somebody who, you know, has had people come after my job, come after me and lots of ways, because of something I tweeted fuck white people, which is standby. Um, Years later when the [00:49:00] context, what, you know, for a completely different purpose to be, because they were mad that I congratulated somebody on getting the job. [00:49:08] Like I have some sympathy for that. And obviously what’s happened to me is, is way less than what’s happened to so many other people, but, you know, I’ve, I’ve had that experience and, and I’m somebody who tries to be thoughtful to the point where I’m like, I’ve searched through past tweets and like, try to make sure that. [00:49:24] You know, if you search for certain words or certain things that like nothing is going to come up. Um, and, and usually that’s pretty easy. Cause I don’t tend to say, um, like stuff that would, rankle those sorts of things. There’s just certain words and phrases that I’m not going to use online, um, or in my personal life. [00:49:44] Um, so I’ve been lucky that way, but. I bothered when people will go through somebody’s entire history again, to like confirm their reason for being outraged. I also am really bothered by like, look, do I, did. I think it’s the bean tweet storm was [00:50:00] funny to be honest. No, I thought that it, it, it seemed fake. [00:50:04] It seemed like elongated, you know, telling this yarn that at first I think people like were enjoying it at least in the sense that I got. Cause I saw it after it was deleted. But at least looking at the like count and things like that, of each thing, it seemed like it was playing well at first. And then people got, you know, quote, unquote triggered and reading the whole thread. [00:50:27] Look I’m, I haven’t been abused and I’m not trying to speak over any people who have, but if reading a thread from this sort of persona of somebody is going to take you into a place where you’re saying this is child abuse. When someone is being performative on Twitter for likes and is trying purposely to be like folksy. [00:50:48] And I don’t think it played that well, I don’t think it was that entertaining, but it certainly didn’t strike me in any way as abusive. Like I feel like taking it to that place [00:51:00] is just a complete and like ridiculous overstatement and, and moreover, I feel like it, it discredits. Actual abuse. Like, I feel like, you know what I mean? [00:51:12] Brett: [00:51:12] well, that’s the thing is he, he acknowledged in his, his apology that the language that he used. For people who had actually been victims of abuse, or even currently are victims of abuse. The language that he used did it was triggering. Uh, and if you’ve been there, it, it’s not hard to send you back there. [00:51:40] Christina: [00:51:40] I guess, I guess my only thing is I think a lot of the people in a lot of the discourse around that were not from people who are victims or were victims of abuse, but by people who are just taking it upon themselves to say, this is triggering, [00:51:54] Brett: [00:51:54] Twitter threads. [00:51:55] Christina: [00:51:55] agree with that. But, but this is my point. I’m like, I feel like you can say that, but I mean, I’m [00:52:00] looking at that. [00:52:00] And I just, I feel like the, most of the people who are outraged. Don’t even have a director, reason themselves be outraged. They’re just outraged for outreach sake. And that honestly does bother me. And I feel like it, it to me, like it makes it the whole thing. The whole discourse blowing up for a lot of people, I think just makes it eye roll worthy, which to me, this then like makes actual abuse lessons by using this as a comparative point. [00:52:33] Brett: [00:52:33] I, uh, I don’t really have a lot more to say about it. I think that Twitter justice is almost always misguided, uh, public shaming, uh, fails to understand any nuance at all. Uh, like for myself, uh, if you were to dig back in my tweets, like I’ve never, I’m not homophobic racist, sexist. I’m none of these things. [00:53:00] [00:53:00] But when I have. When I, when my follower count was smaller and I felt like everyone knew me and I felt free to be sarcastic. Um, I’m sure I, I haven’t looked, but I’m sure there there’s at least one tweet that if you don’t know me and you don’t know that I’m kidding and you don’t take it as sarcastic, it could probably make me look bad. [00:53:27] Uh, challenge to over-tired listeners, dig up some shit on me. Uh, see if you can get me fired. [00:53:36] Christina: [00:53:36] Yeah, no, I mean, I have to say what this, all, all this stuff happens and this happens, you know, several times a year with people is it just makes me think and I haven’t done it frankly, out of like internal spite, but it does make me think, no, I should just archive and then delete all my tweets. And part of me, what I would kind of like to do. [00:53:57] I mean, this would. People, if they [00:54:00] w it wouldn’t stop people from being able to go through anything I’ve said and try to cancel me or, or, or whatever, but it would make it more difficult for them is that there’s been a part of me. Who’s like, okay, I’m going to delete my tweets every three months, but I’ll download the archive. [00:54:13] And then I’ll host the archive on my webpage or something so that people really want, they can search through the Jason file. [00:54:22] Brett: [00:54:22] and then you can sleep well, [00:54:24] Christina: [00:54:24] Yeah, because there’s, there’s, there’s like a weird part of me that just hasn’t wanted to delete stuff. Cause I’m like, this is in a lot of ways, kind of my blog and kind of my online history and identity. And I don’t want to have to delete stuff just because people don’t know the context or want to get mad at something, but yet I see it happen so frequently than like, yeah. [00:54:41] You know what? Fuck it. Like blow it up. I was actually concerned when I was doing the New York times podcast, I was concerned for a time. I was like, shit, if something blows up, if I do something like people will come at me and, um, that’ll be a problem. Fortunately, nothing happened and everything was okay. [00:54:59] But [00:55:00] I was at a point where I was like, am I going to have to mass delete all my tweets? And I was very seriously considering it. Um, and now I might just do it, you know, just again, it’s one of those things it’s like, I don’t want to be. I don’t want to have to, um, have people disingenuously taking things that I’ve said out of context. [00:55:21] And I’m not saying that the stuff that, all the stuff that John said was out of context, because. There’s some of that stuff I’m not going to defend and that I wouldn’t have tweeted then, and that I wouldn’t tweet now and that he’s apologizing for, and he’s gonna have to deal with, you know, the, the nature of those things. [00:55:37] But I think to your point, it’s also true that, you know, Twitter, I think the way people have used it has changed. I’m not going to say that, like that negates using certain words, but yeah, you’re right. Like we did a decade ago, use it in this way. That was smaller, more insular and, and you. I felt like everybody who followed you or who saw you knew you, [00:56:00] and that’s not the case anymore. [00:56:01] And, um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t begrudge any public figure, uh, of however public you want to call that and even, you know, like trickling down to people like you and I from being like, yeah, I don’t have time for this. I’m going to delete all my tweets. Fuck it. [00:56:19] Brett: [00:56:19] Yeah. Do you want to hear from our second sponsor? [00:56:22] Christina: [00:56:22] I do. And then I want to hear about, um, email. [00:56:25] Brett: [00:56:25] Oh shit. Yeah. Um, so we talk a lot on this show about sleep. Uh, w we actually often talk about the lack of it, but there’s one thing that has been helping me get a lot better sleep. And that’s my helix mattress. Helix sleep has a quiz that takes just two minutes to complete, and it matches your body type and sleep preferences to the mattress. [00:56:49] Perfect for you mattresses. Aren’t a one size fits all type of thing. And helix knows that. So they have several different mattress models to choose from. They have soft, medium and firm [00:57:00] mattresses. Mattress is great for cooling you down. If you sleep hot and even a helix plus mattress for plus sized folks. [00:57:07] I took the quiz and I was matched with the midnight mattress because I wanted something that felt medium and I sleep on my side. And, uh, after a few months of sleeping on it, I can tell you that I absolutely made the right choice. My previous mattress was one of the other ones that comes in a box, but it was too soft for me. [00:57:26] And I had to add gel layers to it, just to stop from sweating. My helix mattress on the other hand is exactly the right firmness for me. And it stays cool all night with no extra help I’ve been sleeping really well. Helix is awesome, but you don’t have to take my word for it. He looks was awarded the number one best overall mattress pick of 2020 by GQ and wired magazine. [00:57:50] So if you’re looking for a mattress, take the quiz order, the mattress that you’re matched to and the mattress will come right to your door, shipped for free. You don’t ever need to go to a mattress store [00:58:00] again, just go to helix, sleep.com/overtired. Take the two minutes sleep quiz and get matched to your mattress. [00:58:08] They have a 10 year warranty and you get to try it out for a hundred nights. Risk-free they’ll even pick it up for you if you don’t love it. But honestly, I I’m. I’m quite sure you will. If you use our link helix is offering over-tired listeners up to $200 off all mattress orders and two free pillows. So just go to helix, sleep.com/overtired. [00:58:33] I swear you won’t regret it. I’m sorry. You don’t have a helix mattress to talk about Christina. [00:58:39] Christina: [00:58:39] I’m sorry, I don’t either. Cause I could use a new mattress. So thank you, helix. Um, [00:58:44] Brett: [00:58:44] them really well, they’ll send you one. [00:58:46] Christina: [00:58:46] I mean that would be awesome. [00:58:47] Brett: [00:58:47] I seriously love mine. [00:58:50] Christina: [00:58:50] That’s that’s awesome. I’m really happy for you. That’s fantastic. Uh, and I’m glad that you have a place to get like good sleep, because that is kind of the point of the show. [00:58:59] Brett: [00:58:59] Yes. [00:59:00] Yes it is. Um, yeah, so I. I I’ve been collecting email addresses for, uh, both marked and NV ultra, uh, with the intention of sending out a mass emails. And, uh, I’ve gotten up to each list. Respectively. I passed the 10,000 Mark and I had been collecting them via MailChimp, who I will note has never been a sponsor of this show. [00:59:31] And I’m free to say what I want to. Not that I’ve ever looked that stopped me. But anyway, like I couldn’t for, to send an email to all of these subscribers. I couldn’t afford to send one single email if I had to pay out of pocket up front. And so I started looking for alternatives and, uh, I had a guest on systematic, uh, Tyler Hall who pointed me to Sendy. [00:59:59] And [01:00:00] w the, an email that would have cost me, uh, about $250 to send with MailChimp. I can send with Cindy for about a buck 25. [01:00:10] Christina: [01:00:10] That’s awesome. I’m really curious to hear your experience about this. Cause I’ve been looking, I’ve looked at Cindy, I’ve looked at some of the other services. There’s one called like octopus or something. Um, I’ve been, cause I’ve been wanting to start a newsletter and I’ll probably just use sub stack. [01:00:23] But then part of me is like, I don’t want to fucking use sub stack. So, um, I’ve looked at Cindy, which is like a self hosted kind of front end for SES, which is Amazon’s email thing. Right. Um, what is your experience been like in terms of spam or, uh, like, like you getting marked as spam or undeliverables or, or any of that stuff I’m curious about since you moved from, you know, MailChimp to this, have you had any, any issues. [01:00:49] Brett: [01:00:49] okay. So to be clear, I sent my first email yesterday and, uh, just finished updating my list today. So I don’t have a [01:01:00] ton of data to work from. I can tell you that, uh, one of my lists, uh, dates back 10 years. So I sent out, uh, a short email saying, Hey, I’m just checking to see if you still want to receive emails. [01:01:14] Uh, click here to unsubscribe. And that has gotten me, I mean, a fair number of people unsubscribed because they hadn’t heard from me for 10 years and forgot who I was. But, um, as far as bounced emails go, uh, 312 out of 12,000 and my, uh, spam rate is 0.0, zero, 2%. So I, it seems pretty good to me. [01:01:46] Christina: [01:01:46] No. That’s awesome. That’s awesome. [01:01:49] Brett: [01:01:49] Uh, like, and setting up the hosting took about, uh, if you have any idea how to edit a config file and, and FTP some, a folder, uh, it takes [01:02:00] five minutes to get it set up and it costs $70. One time, no subscription. And it has an awesome interface. Like it it’s, it’s an easier to use interface by far than MailChimp’s like, it’s better built simpler. [01:02:19] Maybe, maybe lacking, maybe, maybe there parts of MailChimp I wasn’t using. But as far as I can tell it does everything MailChimp could do. And it does it after you pay your 70 bucks for like, Oh, a buck per cent. [01:02:37] Christina: [01:02:37] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Yeah. Um, I’ve yeah, I’ve definitely like looked at this because MailChimp prices or any of the email, uh, hosts for. You’re doing transactional or a newsletter, email stuff. The pricing is insane and it’s, the markup is crazy. And like, there used to be some certain services you could use, like Twilio bought nail gun and ruined their free plan. [01:02:58] And you know, there, all these [01:03:00] things and you’re like, I just want to send some damn email, like don’t, don’t charge me. All of this money for it. Um, so yeah, so it was, if you were, if you were, so you, you were spending $50 a month and now you’re spending like a dollar 25. I mean, that’s massive. [01:03:16] Brett: [01:03:16] Yeah, like there was this, there’s a small list that is just for the. And be ultra beta crew and it’s, uh, about 1500 people. And that went out, had 0% marked as spam, uh, 0.08 per one, one email bounced. Uh, we’ll figure that out. But, uh, four, it was a small, like recently curated list, but absolutely no problem getting through to people and a 97% open rate. This is good stuff. [01:03:52] Christina: [01:03:52] That’s very good stuff. [01:03:53] Brett: [01:03:53] aye. Aye. Aye. This is what I’ve been doing for like two days straight now. So it’s all I’ve been [01:04:00] thinking about. Uh, so it’s, it’s fun to talk about, but I guess there’s not much more to say other than if you’re doing a mailing list and you have more than 10,000 subscribers get off of MailChimp. [01:04:14] This is so much. I don’t understand why I would ever consider paying hundreds of dollars to send out a, an email campaign. [01:04:24] Christina: [01:04:24] Yeah. I mean, I think that like the, the difference would be, and even then it would be worth looking into would be like, if you were some sort of big brand and you were running AB tests and you had some of the other features that MailChimp does. And some of the other stuff, like if you had really customized design-wise emails that you wanted to test against. [01:04:42] You know, a lot of different services and whatnot. Like I think that that’s where your campaign monitors and your MailChimps and whatever the hell Adobe’s is called. I think it’s called Marquetto or whatever would come into place. But for regular people, [01:04:55] Brett: [01:04:55] for, there are people who wanted to do AB testing. You can segment your [01:05:00] lists. And you, you do get pixel tracking and all of your emails, so you can tell who opens and what they click. So, I mean, there’s no category in the menu called AB testing, but you could easily have two campaigns sent to different segments that you could compare results to. [01:05:19] Um, so yeah, it’s, I, I, like you said, if you’re a huge brand, I’m sure you have your reasons for going with the big guys. But for the rest of us, Cindy rules, [01:05:33] Christina: [01:05:33] That’s awesome. [01:05:34] Brett: [01:05:34] don’t have anything to compare it to though. I don’t know what you’re talking about with like octopus and stuff like that. [01:05:38] Christina: [01:05:38] Email octopus and they’ve changed their pricing, but it’s a similar type of thing where basically it’s a front end for STS and they’re trying to kind of take on, um, MailChimp. Um, but, but it’s, it’s a software as a service thing, but I do like about Cindy is the fact that it’s a self hosted thing because we don’t see that very often anymore. [01:05:57] Um, either like that’s, like, I [01:06:00] always think back about, um, you know, the, um, Uh, uh, Sean and men who made like, like mint and fever and things like that. Like I loved those, those apps, but those things don’t really exist anymore. People tend to just make software as a service sort of stuff, which is fine. Uh, but I, I like when there is kind of a self hosted option that you have a lot more kind of, you know, uh, control over and that in that is seems more reasonable. [01:06:28] So that’s, that’s cool. [01:06:30] Brett: [01:06:30] There’s a, there’s a Mac app called whoosh, w H O O S H. That is kind of like the most bare bones SCS implementation. You’ll find, uh, you import a CSV into like, not just hosted, but like a local app that will. It will spit out in, in batches, through SES, uh, your, your batch email, but I always found [01:07:00] it a bit, uh, a bit too bare bones. [01:07:03] Christina: [01:07:03] yeah, I’m looking at that now. And that definitely does seem a bit too bare bones. I mean, the thing is, is that I think that if you’re willing to go through the stuff with your, you know, DKM and SPF and all that stuff records, you know, with your setup for SES, if you’re willing to kind of roll up your. [01:07:17] Your sleeves and do some of that stuff, which I think Cindy does a lot of that kind of for you or whatever. I feel like, um, that seems like it’s a good solution. So [01:07:30] Brett: [01:07:30] how much time do you have today? [01:07:33] Christina: [01:07:33] I’ve got time. [01:07:34] Brett: [01:07:34] Okay. My girlfriend is going to be home in five minutes, but I really want to talk about this tab Fs. Let’s let let’s do it. Tell us about this. [01:07:45] Christina: [01:07:45] Okay. So Tabitha’s is I saw this on either Twitter or hacker news, but it is a Chrome extension is pretty great, uh, that the sky, um, Omar Rizwan made and it basically mounts your browser tabs [01:08:00] as a file system on your computer. And so. Out of the box, it supports Chrome and the Chrome variants, like, you know, uh, brave and, and, uh, uh, EDS and things like that. [01:08:11] Um, it also supports, you know, Firefox to a lesser extent and I guess could probably be converted for Safari now, too. Um, and basically it maps each of your, of your, um, Tabs is mapped to a folder. So like you would have a folder like of your tabs, like by title, where each folder would then be, you know, a link to each thing that’s open. [01:08:32] Um, you could also like look things up by, um, ID or by window or what extensions you’re using. And then like when you go into the folder itself, it’ll show you, you know, Some of the difference, um, items within it. Like, like if like, like the title DRL, if there’s any text that’s associated with it, uh, and you can then use this to call tabs, like any other file, which I kind of like, this [01:09:00] was one thing I was using it for. [01:09:01] So like, if you know that you want to close all tabs, but certain ones, you could do that. Or if you want to. You know, um, save, um, text of, of all the tabs to a file. If you want to run scripts, if you want to get images, it’s pretty impressive. And, and there’s a bunch of stuff on his to-do list, um, which, uh, still, uh, you know, uh, We’ll be coming, you know, so that you can import data or wash expressions or, or, you know, live editor, running web, running webpage, like that’s, um, um, all, um, on the to-do list. [01:09:34] But right now, you know, you can grab images, you can run scripts, you can like, for instance, you know, retrieve what music is playing on YouTube or whatever. Um, I haven’t even scratched the surface of everything you can do with it, except to say that it’s, it’s pretty cool. And I liked the concept of just being able to basically. [01:09:54] C w every tab I have open and then interface with it [01:10:00] in a terminal where I can do things like, okay, I want to close all of these tabs or even open a new tab, you know, from a terminal. Um, I, I don’t hate it. I, I like it. [01:10:14] Brett: [01:10:14] Yeah. So like the idea behind it is insanely cool. I don’t see it being something I would build like a lot of automation around. Cause it seems fragile, but like, I mean it does things like every folder, every, so every tab gets a folder. Then inside that folder, there’s like an HTML file for the page and a test. [01:10:40] Text file that. And this is, I’m reading this from the webpage. I haven’t tried this, but apparently you could copy the text of all open tabs in a shell script and do whatever you wanted with it. This is it’s crazy. You can run scripts from the shell in the browser. Yeah, [01:11:00] no, this is nuts. I, I it’s brilliant. [01:11:02] I can’t imagine. Uh, this would be, I would have to be manic for a while to pull something like this off. I have to try this out though. [01:11:11] Christina: [01:11:11] Yeah, you definitely have to try it out. I mean, I haven’t played, I’ve only played with it a little bit to just kind of see, you know, um, like what I could kind of do it, then I was impressed and it’s interesting cause already, you know, Um, people have been submitting, you know, pull requests and stuff and doing more things with it. [01:11:28] And I really feel like that is interesting. Um, somebody had this as a suggestion, which I like, which is to make bookmarks accessible, um, via tab Fs. And, and I like that idea a lot, um, because if I could, you know, directly interface with, with the bookmark list, you know, directly from that, um, you know, shell interface would be cool. [01:11:51] Uh, I don’t know. I just thought it was really neat. It was one of the things I saw it and I was excited to talk to you about, like, it was like, this is something that Brett would like to take, uh, with, like to play with. [01:11:59] Brett: [01:11:59] you know, all those, [01:12:00] when you click enough zoom meetings, how you get all those leftover zoom, uh, tabs, this would let you run from the command line. You could run RM. Mt slash tabs slash by title slash star zoom star. And it would close all those tabs for [01:12:18] Christina: [01:12:18] Sure. Could. [01:12:19] Brett: [01:12:19] That’s cool. [01:12:21] Christina: [01:12:21] Yeah. And I mean, that is the sort of thing that you could script where if there were certain things you always want to close, you know, you can skip that or even just make a text expander think from [01:12:31] Brett: [01:12:31] I have an Apple script that does that for me, but yeah, I got to test this out with Firefox. See if it actually works. [01:12:38] Christina: [01:12:38] Yeah. [01:12:39] Brett: [01:12:39] Cause I’m all Firefox now. [01:12:41] Christina: [01:12:41] Oh really? [01:12:42] Brett: [01:12:42] Oh really? [01:12:44] Christina: [01:12:44] Huh? [01:12:45] Brett: [01:12:45] if I didn’t need it for testing websites, I would delete Chrome entirely. I don’t use it at all anymore. [01:12:53] Christina: [01:12:53] Yeah, I use edge, um, because I find that that is like a good mix of compatibility and then not feeling [01:13:00] totally, um, uh, creepy. Um, but, [01:13:04] Brett: [01:13:04] for Microsoft? [01:13:05] Christina: [01:13:05] well, I do work at Microsoft, so that is definitely, you know, uh, not, uh, uh, uh, like. False part of it. It’s not, well, it is kind of a small part of it. Cause I do actually genuinely like it. [01:13:18] It’s one of those things that even aside from my work stuff I would do weirdly, I don’t think that my work stuff would work on Firefox, at least on, on Mac there issues on windows. I think it’s okay. But on fire for whatever reason, there’s something with some sort of way that Firefox implements a protocol that our, our work stuff doesn’t like, it’s stupid, but Safari is fine. [01:13:37] Uh, all the Chrome variants are fine. Um, But no, that’s interesting that you’re all in on Firefox, [01:13:43] Brett: [01:13:43] Yeah. It’s so much faster than Chrome and so much less CPU and memory. [01:13:50] Christina: [01:13:50] which I think is important. Yeah, for sure. [01:13:53] Brett: [01:13:53] Yeah. Anyway, the thing that, that it was work Kona, have you, have you used work Kona? [01:14:00] That’s the plugin that I was using on Chrome. And it was the one reason I couldn’t leave crumb cause were Kona was only available for Chrome. [01:14:09] Christina: [01:14:09] No, I haven’t used for Kona and I’m looking at this now, but this does actually seem like something that is completely my shit. [01:14:15] Brett: [01:14:15] It is the best tab manager for people that have hundreds of tabs open at a time. It is the ultimate way to organize kind of like sessions and be able to switch between sessions and closed sessions and bookmark within sessions. It’s awesome. And it’s finally available for Firefox and they have indicated. [01:14:36] Safari coming soon. Um, but yeah, whether you’re on Firefox or Chrome, we’re Kona is definitely worth a look. [01:14:45] Christina: [01:14:45] That’s cool. Uh, yeah. Um, I, I just went into their website and, and they immediately were like, It’s for edge too. And I was like, okay, because that’s the browser I’m in. Um, do you just use the free version? [01:14:57] Brett: [01:14:57] Um, they, I don’t think they actually have a [01:15:00] paid version yet. They, they talk about like it coming soon. And when it does, I’ll probably pay for it just out of respect for how awesome it’s been. But thus far they haven’t, there’s nothing that is actually limited in the free version. I don’t think am I already paying for something? I don’t know. Crazy. It’s crazy. All right. Well, I should, I should go try to empty the dishwasher before Al comes home. [01:15:31] Christina: [01:15:31] Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. [01:15:33] Brett: [01:15:33] I try, I do my best. [01:15:35] Christina: [01:15:35] That’s nice. That’s nice. Well, Brett, uh, empty the dishwasher. Um, try to enjoy the productivity without hopefully the madness going to, you know, manic on you. And, uh, [01:15:48] Brett: [01:15:48] I’ll sleep on my helix mattress tonight. [01:15:50] Christina: [01:15:50] I was gonna say, get some sleep happy new year. [01:15:55] Brett: [01:15:55] Oh, yeah. Happy 20, 21. [01:15:57] Christina: [01:15:57] Yeah. [01:15:57] Brett: [01:15:57] Get some sleep. [01:15:59] Christina: [01:15:59] All right. Get some sleep, [01:16:00] Brett.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Christina [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to overtired. We w w this is Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and we’re both super tired. for different reasons. [00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] Yeah. Yeah. Your, your reason is that you woke up. So it’s, it’s what it is. Is it 9:00 AM or is at 10:00 AM your time? I never can remember if you’re, if you’re, um, central or Eastern time zone. Okay. [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] right now. [00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] Okay. Excellent. All right. So it is, it is 7:00 AM for me. And, um, I remembered that I was doing this at like 11:00 PM after I ordered a bunch of food and taken, um, an edible. [00:00:40] And I was like, fuck, I have to be up at 7:00 AM to do this. Because usually that, that combo is like, Oh, I’m going to be, you know, Up until probably 4:00 AM and then I’m going to sleep all day. [00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] for tomorrow. [00:00:55] Christina: [00:00:55] That’s exactly it because I’m on vacation. And even though [00:01:00] technically it started Friday, I still had meetings Friday, even though I was off and I had a meeting yesterday. [00:01:07] I’m done for the rest of the year. Like I’m done. I’m not like I’m not doing anything for work until January 4th. So, um, other than podcasting, but like for my day job, I’m like, I’m not, I’m done. So, um, yeah, [00:01:23] Brett: [00:01:23] nice. I remember vacation time. I haven’t done that in years. [00:01:30] Christina: [00:01:30] I haven’t either. Which is the problem. I mean, last time I did, it was like in, in any like prolonged since was. A year ago when I was in, um, Atlanta for like a month with my parents. And then I went to Tampa for this. I have to be careful because, well, it was a wedding, but it let’s just say that it portended a lot of things. [00:01:54] Like, let’s just say the way that I wrong in 2020 was like a pogrom or whatever the [00:02:00] term is like, it was like a premonition of something terrible about to happen. For a lot of reasons, and I would love to talk about it more freely, but, um, I can’t, uh, just, just, uh, for, uh, I guess, uh, politeness, uh, to, to people that are easily identifiable online, if I’m able to like, you know, mention them sort of things. [00:02:22] Um, so the last time that I had off for an extended period, Was a year ago and how Microsoft vacation works as it does it at most companies is that if you don’t use a certain amount within a certain period of time, you lose it. Um, if you’re, um, a resident of California, they can’t do that. It doesn’t expire, but in other States it does. [00:02:44] So I got like an email where they’re like, Hey, you have like 90 hours that if you don’t use, you will lose. And I’m like, Oh shit. Like that’s, that’s not good. Right. So, um, I had to start taking [00:03:00] random days off because we get a certain amount of like prepaid, you know, kind of holidays, like things that are considered company holidays. [00:03:06] And I was like, Oh yeah. Okay. I’m going to be like, I’m going to lose it. So I took some stuff where I was like, okay. I, you know, dipped into thin normal vacation period, but I’m really like using vacation from like two years ago. [00:03:22] Brett: [00:03:22] So when you’re on vacation with your, your hoity-toity corporate job, any chance that someone contacts you and says, Hey, I know you’re on vacation, but we need this done. Okay. That makes me feel better. Cause I, I can take kind of a vacation, but I still like, I can’t let customer support [00:03:44] Christina: [00:03:44] no, I mean, I mean, look. There would be instances. And there happened things like where there have been people that I work with who were just like, I’m gone, I’m off the grid. You cannot reach me. Okay, fine. Um, and, and that’s understandable. And if I wanted to set that boundary, I could, [00:04:00] but that’s not a boundary I set and it’s not, um, One that, that I think that most people like, you know, that I work with have set. [00:04:09] Like, you certainly could do that, but that’s, that’s not the boundary that most people set. It’s not like there, there might be some circumstances, like if I was on a cruise ship, uh, let’s say that we weren’t like in pandemic times and that wasn’t the most terrifying thought in the world. Like. You know, or, or, you know, if I was, you know, in the POL or something and had limited access to internet because I’m climbing mountain Everest or some shit like fine, but I mean, yeah, that’s, that’s not. [00:04:36]Like, if something really was needed, then people could call me, like I said, I, I had calls on both Friday and yesterday. They weren’t long, but we needed to get them done. Like one needed to be done by the end of the year. And I had people on shot from China, like on the line and like, you know, I, I need to, I need to be on the phone call. [00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] So meanwhile, while you’re high eating taco bell, I think I’m having a [00:05:00] manic episode. Turns out. I don’t think I actually am, but I woke up like a shot at 2:00 AM and. And like I have this test. I can tell when I’m manic, because if I’m laying in bed with my eyes closed and I opened them and have no immediate desire to shut them again, [00:05:21] Christina: [00:05:21] uh huh. [00:05:21] Brett: [00:05:21] means I’m manic. [00:05:23] So if I open my eyes and they’re just wide open and I can see clearly, it, it, if I’m, if I’m not like I’ll open my eyes, but then just kind of they’ll drift back closed. And so I was wide awake. And laid there for three hours. Cause I was like, if I get up and go to my computer, I it’ll definitely be a manic episode. [00:05:47] And I don’t, it’s been like three months. I don’t want a manic episode. So I tried to, I tried to fool it and apparently it worked cause it like five, I fell back asleep. [00:05:58]Christina: [00:05:58] Though that last week [00:06:00] you were saying that you hadn’t had a manic episode in too long and you were freaked out about it. [00:06:04] Brett: [00:06:04] Well, yeah, I mean, I. I’m bored is what I am [00:06:08] Christina: [00:06:08] Okay. [00:06:09]Brett: [00:06:09] like. Like I D like I miss what I get done during a manic episode, but I don’t miss going five plus days with like zero sleep that wears me down so much. And it would really put a crimp in like my holiday plans. What little I have. I would have to, like, if I were to not sleep between now and Christmas, uh, like my family, my brother and his family showed up at my parents’ house much to my dismay, but they’ve been there for like 10 days quarantined. [00:06:48] So I’m like, okay. I could swing by as long as we can maintain social distance, I can swing by for an hour on Christmas and, and see my [00:07:00] nieces and hand over some gifts. And, uh, just kind of have a pseudo family Christmas. And if I were to go from now until then without sleeping, I wouldn’t even feel right. [00:07:14] Showing up for an hour because I would be. Uh, I, I have, you know, my family super religious and like, when I’m that tired, I say really offensive things. And I just, I just, I hide myself away after that long without sleep. I’m not, I’m not fit for public consumption at that point. [00:07:37] Christina: [00:07:37] This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, no, I can, um, I understand like, You, you, you don’t want to say things that you don’t mean you want to be in the right frame of mind. You, you don’t. Yeah, I totally can understand that. [00:07:53] Brett: [00:07:53] so as, uh, as part of this kind of mental health corner, we’re going through right now, I would like to [00:08:00] introduce our first sponsor this week. [00:08:02] Christina: [00:08:02] Okay. [00:08:03] Brett: [00:08:03] We’ve talked about, uh, better help before, but, uh, this is exactly the kind of situation it would be perfect for. Um, Everyone has something that gets kind of in the way of achieving their goals, whether it’s manic episodes or ADHD, or being on vacation, a better help is professional therapy available remotely. 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And financial aid is available in many areas. In addition to the specific issues that I deal with, like ADHD and bipolar, there are counselors who specialize in depression, stress, anger, LGBT matters, grief, sleep trauma. Just about any specific needs you have. [00:09:37] Um, And of course, anything you share is completely confidential. So we want you to start living a happier life today as an overtired listener, you’ll get 10% off your first month by visiting our sponsor@betterhelp.com slash overtired. Uh, join over 1 million people who have taken charge of their mental health. [00:09:59] Again, that’s [00:10:00] better help. H E L p.com/overtired. I know we worked that in a little early in the episode, [00:10:08]Christina: [00:10:08] No, I think, I think it fits. [00:10:10] Brett: [00:10:10] it fits and maybe people aren’t like bored enough yet that they would actually listen and support the sponsors who support our show. [00:10:19] Christina: [00:10:19] No. I mean, that would be a good thing, right? Like I know that that would be helpful, but also I think that better help. And, and, and Brett’s like mental health corner, our natural partners, if we’re being honest, [00:10:29] Brett: [00:10:29] totally guess. Who’s sponsoring us coming up. [00:10:33] Christina: [00:10:33] who’s that. [00:10:34] Brett: [00:10:34] Uh, a kitty litter, a kitty litter company. [00:10:38] Christina: [00:10:38] Oh shit. That’s awesome. Oh, can we get a kitten update? [00:10:42] Brett: [00:10:42] Oh, totally. I’ll talk about cats all day if you want. Um, so let’s see. Bod has become it’s like, so she has her own room right now. And when I walk into the room, she runs up to me. And it’s just like immediately. So I laid down to the bed and [00:11:00] she jumps on top of me and just starts purring. And it takes about three minutes before her like, uh, play drive kicks in. [00:11:08] So I’ll just be petting her and she’ll be purring. And then all of a sudden she’ll like bite my finger. And that’s a no, no, we, we don’t let cats bite our fingers because. That’s just bad habit to get into. So then outcomes, the toy. She actually pulled apart, uh, one of the wan toys with like the fishing line on it. [00:11:28] She managed to, to break one already, but she runs around the room. Up curtains, chasing feathers. And she’s seriously, like I go in three to four times a day for 30 to 40 minutes at a time. Uh, it’s a big chunk of my time, but I’m really loving this kitten. [00:11:50]Christina: [00:11:50] I love it. I love it. Um, how’s the other cat, uh, reacting, like, like what’s the update on that? [00:11:54] Brett: [00:11:54] he’s, he’s been pretty cool with the whole thing. Like he’s taken to sitting [00:12:00] outside of my, the Kitty’s room when I’m in there and he’ll sit out there and he’ll me out once in a while. But when I come out, he like, he’s like, okay, it’s my turn. And he follows me around like a little boppy and sits in my lap. [00:12:13] And, uh, he’s very good to work with. He will, if I’m at. If I’m in a chair at a keyboard, he will curl up in my lap under the keyboard. And I can kind of like occasionally reach down and give him little scratches on his, on his head. And he will stay off my keyboard for the most part. Um, bod on the other hand, does she, she has learned that dancing on the keyboard is the beginning of a fun game. [00:12:43] Like she knows if she jumps on the keyboard, she’s going to get attention. So not ideal for working we’ll work on that though. [00:12:51]Christina: [00:12:51] And she’s still a kitten she’ll she’ll sh she, she can retained, right. [00:12:56] Brett: [00:12:56] yes, I, I it’s been [00:13:00] so long since I had a kitten. Like the last time I raised a kitten was 17 years ago. So I have vague memories of cat development and how cats mature, but honestly it feels like, it feels like I’m a newbie. [00:13:18]Christina: [00:13:18] Yeah, well, that’s good. I mean, I’m glad that that things seem to be working out and, um, uh, the bod sounds [00:13:25] Brett: [00:13:25] I, did I tell you we’re officially keeping her? [00:13:28] Christina: [00:13:28] you didn’t, you didn’t, this is why I was like, kind of, I’ve been kind of on. [00:13:31] Brett: [00:13:31] with that. [00:13:32] Christina: [00:13:32] Yeah, I was going to say, cause I, cause I, cause one of those things I’ve been kind of like, you know, on pins and needles, like is bod going to get to stay like, you know, cause I know that the most important thing is, is, you know, making sure that your, um, existing cat is comfortable and all that, but yeah, [00:13:48] Brett: [00:13:48] El is still like the, the Finnegan or deal, uh, She is, she’s still, uh, very much in mourning for Finnegan [00:14:00] and I am too, but I have found it like immediately easy to, to reopen my heart and, and love a new kitten. And she’s having a tougher time with that. So she sees how happy bog makes me and, and she’s on board, but I think if it were just up to her, She would have a foster bod temporarily and then let him find, or let her find another home. [00:14:26] Um, so we’re, I feel a little guilty, like pushing to keep a kitten that maybe she’s not ready for, but, but we’ve, we’ve had long discussions about it and I think it’s the right thing. [00:14:41]Christina: [00:14:41] Yeah, that’s good. And, and I hope that, that, you know, not that it’s ever going to be easy, but that she’s able to work through her grief, you know, as time moves forward. Yeah. [00:14:51] Brett: [00:14:51] time heals all wounds, but it, yeah, that was a rough one for sure. [00:14:56] Christina: [00:14:56] Oh, well, definitely it is. And, and, you know, and, and I, I do feel like [00:15:00] sometimes, like I know that we got our dog, Jamie not long after our dog shadow died, and that was really rough on us as a family. And, but, but it really, it did ultimately I think really help. Um, to the point that I, you know, it took my parents, God, like basically a decade after Jamie died for them to get, um, uh, the dog that they have now that my sister rescued in like March, um, that they have now. [00:15:25] Um, I think it was just, it was really hard for them up until then, but there I’m really glad my parents have a, have a little, uh, little dog, uh, especially since I can’t be there and the world is dumpster fire. They at least have a little, it’s not a puppy dogs like five or six, but, uh, it’s a very small dog. [00:15:44] So it’s yeah. [00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] for a small dog. Cause small dogs live, uh, a longer life and, and the five, five to seven year range is really nice. [00:15:54]Christina: [00:15:54] Yeah, a little buddy bear. He was like basically leopard, dead. My sister found him, [00:16:00] um, After, like a big storm. She’d seen him a couple of times and she’d fed him and he was clearly kind of, uh, you know, um, you know, uh, uh, he was wearing a t-shirt, but doesn’t know, like at some point somebody had cared about him, but he never got his shots. [00:16:15] He never, or at least, uh, if he’d had his shots, he wasn’t, um, tagged, um, you know, they weren’t able to locate them. Um, you know, any of that stuff, she fed them a couple of times and then she kept looking for him. And then she, um, saw him after like a really heavy storm. And he was like, kind of caught like near a fence and had kind of debris around him and thought he was dead. [00:16:37] Somebody like left a thing about it on, on, um, next door. And then she, she found him and he was still alive and she’s able to kind of nurse him back to health. And then, um, she had to go to town and my parents were taking care of them and they took him to the vet and he had to have a bunch of teeth. [00:16:50] Pulled and, you know, get, you know, some other stuff done, but, but he’s, he’s very bright spirits and as a sweet little dog and, and they, they love him and, um, he’s been really good for them. [00:17:00] [00:17:00] Brett: [00:17:00] that’s awesome. [00:17:01] Christina: [00:17:01] Yeah. [00:17:02] Brett: [00:17:02] Yeah, we’re still trying to figure out where bod actually came from. Like she was found in a cemetery and I got reports on Facebook from people. I don’t really know, but who follow my cat pictures apparently, um, who had actually seen her, like by the highway, near the cemetery over the, the days before. [00:17:27] So I don’t know how long she was. Out in the wild she’s. I mean, she’s like two months old. She’s she’s big enough. She’s weaned, but she can’t get very far on her own. So I don’t, I don’t know how this happened and she’s a long hair and she wasn’t super mad at w when, when we got her [00:17:47] Christina: [00:17:47] So she hadn’t been out for that long. [00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] have been out for too long. [00:17:51]Anyway. So did you, did you ever get around to watching the flight attendant? [00:17:57] Christina: [00:17:57] Yes, I haven’t finished it, but I, [00:18:00] but, but, but, but I’m, I’m, I’m very far into it and, and I’m at the point where I can talk about it and we wouldn’t want to spoil it for people anyway. [00:18:07] Brett: [00:18:07] I will, I will say this about the finale. It wraps things up enough that it makes me worry that there won’t be another season. [00:18:17] Christina: [00:18:17] Yeah, I was going to ask about that because is this like, well, did you ever watch big little lies? Okay. Well it’s really good. [00:18:25] Brett: [00:18:25] an episode, but I didn’t get very far with it. [00:18:27] Christina: [00:18:27] Okay. I was going to say, I don’t know if that would be a show for you or not. I think it’s fantastic. The first season is truly exceptional television. Uh, but I don’t know if it’s like a Bret show, like, um, L my, like it, um, it’s I don’t mean to be gendered with it because men can certainly enjoy it, but it definitely is. [00:18:44]A show made for women. Um, uh, and, and not, not to say that again, men can’t enjoy it, but, uh, although the, the, the chief director and like show runner is a man, is, you know, based, it was adapted from a book written by a woman adapted by that woman, um, you [00:19:00] know, produced and starring women. Um, But the first season, you know, cause it was just a limited series thing. [00:19:08] And so they adapted a book into kind of mini series, very successful, so successful that. They hired the writer to up the book, basically imagine more episodes got Meryl Streep on board and did like a second season, which, you know, kind of worked, but didn’t work as well as, you know, it’s just not one of those like kind of perfect things. [00:19:34] Um, it kind of ended, I thought, I think at the right point, I haven’t read the book that the flight attendant is based on, but since it’s based on a book, I would imagine that. They probably did a similar thing where they’re like, okay, we’ve tied everything up because the book has, but in the back of their minds, they’re thinking this is Kayla Coco. [00:19:52] This is one of our big HBO max shows. We would like to have this live on. So you’re saying you [00:20:00] want it to live on. [00:20:01] Brett: [00:20:01] yeah, like I said, all w I won’t spoil anything for you. Um, but you know that the, the kind of subplot about the corporate espionage, they don’t wrap that up. It’s the only part of this story that doesn’t have this neat little bow on it. And I. I feel like a second season about that and that character wouldn’t be as compelling. [00:20:30] So, and can I, can I, can I spoil one thing for you? [00:20:34] Christina: [00:20:34] yeah, go ahead. [00:20:35] Brett: [00:20:35] Uh, uh, Kayleigh’s character ends up in, in, in AA, [00:20:41] Christina: [00:20:41] Okay, [00:20:42] Brett: [00:20:42] so that, I mean, that’s a huge resolution to what is a major plot point is her drinking. [00:20:49] Christina: [00:20:49] Yeah. No, without a doubt, without a doubt. Um, let’s talk about her from an, as an actress. She’s so good. [00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Yeah. Um, I guess I [00:21:00] was, I don’t, she plays this kind of, um, brash, not sorority type, but like her character between the big bang and this aren’t exceptionally different. [00:21:16] Christina: [00:21:16] No, they’re not, not even remotely. It is not a stretch. [00:21:20] Brett: [00:21:20] her range. [00:21:21] Christina: [00:21:21] Well, [00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] in other stuff? [00:21:23] Christina: [00:21:23] Uh, not really, she, she was on, no, she’s always kind of played the same role. Uh, she was on that, that, uh, John Rutter’s last TV show, um, you know, like, uh, um, you know, my teenage daughter or whatever it was called. [00:21:38] Brett: [00:21:38] know. [00:21:39] Christina: [00:21:39] Um, let me, let me find this, um, [00:21:41]Brett: [00:21:41] The compelling part of our show where we’re both just typing on keyboards. [00:21:46] Christina: [00:21:46] Yep. Exactly. I think th I think that, I think his final shows like how to date my, um, uh, eight simple rules [00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] dieting. My daughter. [00:21:55] Christina: [00:21:55] eight simple rules for dating my teenage daughter and, and, and they then renamed it eight simple rules after [00:22:00] he died unexpectedly. And like, he died like onset, like he had, like, he had like a myocardial infarction and, and then they didn’t diagnose it with the right thing at the hospital and he died. [00:22:09] It was terrible. Um, but she was the, she was the star of that. She was the teenage daughter kind of the star of that. And, uh, and Katie’s a Siegel from, um, um, Married with children, you know, what was in that? And, uh, so that was her first thing. And then she was, went from that to big bang and she’s done some TV movies, I think. [00:22:31] And she’s done a couple of, of comedies, but I mean, we talked about, we kind of mentioned this last time, like they were making 2 million or two and a half million an episode for a really long time. Like none of them ever have to work again, like genuinely like, like between, I mean, okay. Let’s pretend they weren’t getting mad, mad, mad money off the syndication, uh, which they are cause like the, the friends cast. [00:22:56] If they’d never made a million, an episode would not have ever had to work again just from the [00:23:00] syndication royalties. But, but they, in addition to the syndication royalties also, we’re getting like massive checks like for years. So she genuinely never has to work again. Uh, which. I do actually find them like that. [00:23:14] Impressive. When you take on a more challenging role that said you’re right. I don’t think the range, it’s a very similar character like this. You could see that penny, uh, darker, like more on edge penny. Right? Well, that’s what I mean, darker, right? Like, you know, penny who was like very much like. Had had been maybe a little more ambitious had actually gone through and, you know, instead of working at the cheesecake factory for all the time, but been like, ah, just be a flight attendant. [00:23:42] And then it like really like leaned in on the partying a little bit more, right. Like if penny had gone to college and it just like, you know, and you know what I mean, had a little more ambition and, and just been a little bit harder, like would be the character. In in, in this that said, I still think she’s great in it. [00:24:00] [00:23:59] Like, I don’t, I don’t think I I’m with you. I don’t think she knows. I don’t think she has a lot of brains, but I also feel like. [00:24:06] Brett: [00:24:06] that one character very [00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Perfectly well, and, and, and, and I, and I, and it was one of those things where, when I was watching the show, I was thinking about this because she bought it, she’s the producer. [00:24:15] And so she, you know, it was the one who really spearheaded the project, uh, which I always find impressive. And it’s not uncommon actually, that women, especially women in their thirties and older have to do that. A lot of times, even high profile actresses like herself, if they don’t see roles, you know, that they want to play, they have to. [00:24:35] Spend their own money and, and do it, you know, Reese Witherspoon is, has made that, um, clear for, for years now. Um, and she has an Oscar. Um, but, uh, I think that she recognized, obviously the book would be something that would make a good show and the way that she’s played it, it would be hard for, I mean, other actresses could do it, but it’s hard for me to imagine them like [00:25:00] being that like. [00:25:01]For me being able to be that like drawn into the character. Like, I, it just feels to me like that is the character the way that she’s, she’s playing. [00:25:09]Brett: [00:25:09] All right. Well, I’m glad you’re appreciating the show. [00:25:12] Christina: [00:25:12] Yeah. Yeah. It’s really good. It’s really good. I have to say it was a little weird because the guy who played George on Grey’s anatomy, who I haven’t seen on TV in like a decade, um, is on it. He’s the brother, um, uh, Rosie price is really good. Um, um, Shasha Mamet who still can’t believe that, uh, David Mamet daughter is a good actress cause his wife is. Fucking terrible. Um, but his daughter is quite good. I’d say, uh, well done Lena Dunham again, can’t believe it, that that girls gave us Adam driver, but you know, this is the world we live in where we have to realize that fucking Lena Dunham for all the ways we want to drag her for being mediocre, average, whatever. [00:25:58]Really fucking [00:26:00] cast, good people on her damn show and is also probably a really good writer in ways that are frustrating because she’s so inseparable. [00:26:07] Brett: [00:26:07] So, so you like Adam driver? Okay. Me too. [00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] That’s what I’m saying. That’s what I’m saying. Adam drivers fucking fantastic. And it’s annoying that Lena Dunham found everybody on girls actually. [00:26:19] Like if you really think about it, like Alison Williams, no reason to be. In any way. Good. Right? Like Bri wise daughter, like that’s a complete in 100%, you’re you’re casting for this in part, because you know, then the, the, you know, a guy who was like lead anchor for NBC news is the dad, like, that’s absolutely an emphasis in higher now. [00:26:42] I’m really fucking good. Like as gone on to do other stuff, you know, Joshua moment, Mammut like really fucking good. Like yeah. It’s frustrating. I was rewatching girls recently and I was like frustrated because the show’s insufferable in a lot of ways, but it’s also funny and good. And I’m like, God dammit, Lena Dunham. [00:26:59] I really, [00:27:00] really hate that. I like your work. And I can’t even like being, I would like to not, but I don’t because she’s insufferable, but her work is really good. And she clearly had a really good eye for talent as evidenced by the fact that drivers going to win a fucking Oscar. And she just got her temp. [00:27:17] Brett: [00:27:17] Are you familiar with John Oliver? Was Adam driver [00:27:20] Christina: [00:27:20] Yes, I am. I love it so much. [00:27:22] Brett: [00:27:22] He completely objectifies Adam driver it’s. [00:27:25] Christina: [00:27:25] good. I, [00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] the episode of, uh, last week tonight where he actually had Adam driver on to like. Scold him for objectifying him. [00:27:35] Christina: [00:27:35] no, no. I missed that. I’ll have to find that. No, that’s. That’s that’s awesome. Uh, my friend Joanna is a writer on that show and, um, and so yeah, yeah, she, she worked at decibel and was a fantastic writer there and would write really funny bits and would do really funny things. And, uh, now she’s an Emmy winner, which is like the coolest thing. [00:27:57] Yeah. Um, and she’s young. Right, [00:28:00] right, right. Like, like she, she was in her twenties when, when she got, um, that gig, I think she’s still in her twenties, but she’s, she’s really good. And so I always like, I, who knows like where that bit comes from, but that’s one of those things that I’m like, Oh, I could see Joanna, like continuing to push that narrative into things. [00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] did we already talk about, uh, John Stewart coming back? [00:28:22]Christina: [00:28:22] Uh, we did, um, cause he’s, he’s uh, doing his monthly w uh, I don’t know how we talked about how we’d missed him. [00:28:30] Brett: [00:28:30] Yeah, well, I heard, and I can’t remember what network it was for, but he’s getting a show again. [00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Isn’t it? Apple TV. [00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] Yeah, I think it is. Yeah, you’re right. Definitely is. I can’t wait for that. I can’t, I I’ve been, I’ve been watching old, like the, the last two years of the daily show, uh, excluding the very last year. Like those are to me, like just peak daily show. [00:28:58] And [00:28:58] Christina: [00:28:58] Yeah, he was, he was like, [00:29:00] just on it. [00:29:00] Brett: [00:29:00] YouTube and it’s amazing. [00:29:03] Christina: [00:29:03] Yeah, no, he was just like on it. And we talked about this, I think last time that it’s just, um, nothing against Trevor Noah, but he just doesn’t have it. [00:29:11] Brett: [00:29:11] I gave Trevor Noah a solid chance. Like I really wanted to like him, but I, I can’t, I can’t watch the daily show anymore. [00:29:19]Christina: [00:29:19] Yeah. Yeah, [00:29:21] Brett: [00:29:21] I’m just going to say it. I really wanted to like him. I really wanted to like the daily show still, but they still have [00:29:29] Christina: [00:29:29] no, I mean, well, there’s just something to be said, you know, every, every host has their own take on it. And, and I, I respect that. They didn’t try to, you know, find somebody just like. John Stewart. I think the unfortunate thing for them is that by that point, John Oliver already was a thing. And at that point I really do feel like, and we talked about this before, but I think, I feel like all the alums of the daily show kind of created like, fill that vacuum because Trevor couldn’t, [00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. I [00:29:59] Christina: [00:29:59] all right, [00:30:00] sorry, go on. [00:30:01] Brett: [00:30:01] Amber Ruffin, not, she’s not from the daily show, but, um, she’s she’s from, what’s his name? Uh, the late show guy [00:30:09] Christina: [00:30:09] Right. Uh, yeah. Um, Stephen Colbert. Yeah. [00:30:14]Brett: [00:30:14] no. [00:30:15] Christina: [00:30:15] Craig Ferguson [00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] former, um, former SNL, uh, news news update guy. [00:30:23]Christina: [00:30:23] Jr. McDonald’s [00:30:25] Brett: [00:30:25] No, Jesus, this isn’t that hard. Who were the major late night hosts. [00:30:30] Christina: [00:30:30] Oh, Seth Myers. [00:30:32] Brett: [00:30:32] Myers. Thank you. I knew you’d come through for me. [00:30:35] Christina: [00:30:35] Yeah, sorry. [00:30:36] Brett: [00:30:36] Uh, she was a Seth, Seth Meyers writer, [00:30:39] Christina: [00:30:39] Oh, okay. [00:30:40] Brett: [00:30:40] she has a peacock show and she’s delightful. I enjoy [00:30:43] Christina: [00:30:43] That’s good. Okay. Seth Meyers, I have to say as much as like I’m with you. I’ve given up on Trevor Noah I’ve really come to appreciate and be impressed by Seth Meyers. [00:30:55] Brett: [00:30:55] Yeah, I, there are parts of like, I enjoy the closer [00:31:00] look. I feel like they realized early on that people were tuning in just for the closer look. And the interviews were decent. I mean, as good as any interviews ever are. Um, but like the monologue and the closer look, he’s, he’s quite good at, [00:31:18] Christina: [00:31:18] No. That’s what I mean. Yeah. [00:31:20] Brett: [00:31:20] where he pauses between cue cards in the middle of a sentence, and I wish they would write his cue card. So they didn’t switch in the middle. It drives me nuts, but that said, yeah, I like [00:31:32] Christina: [00:31:32] Yeah, no. And I agree with that. I really do feel like, like his, a closer look is the thing, like the interviews or whatever. I, I honestly feel like they can’t because of where it is. In the schedule. And part of those shows is the interview thing. Like that’s part of how you get that prime, you know, like that kind of like airtime or whatever is that publicists are saying, we’re going to be sending people to your show to promote stuff. [00:31:55] And we want to buy advertising and whatnot. You know what I mean? Like you couldn’t [00:32:00] just make it, I don’t think on a major network. A closer look like you could on peacock, you could on HBO, you could have like comedy central, but I don’t think on NBC, you could write, like, I think you have to have the interviews, but yeah, that’s very much the secondary thing. [00:32:14] Like that’s not, that’s not the primary part of it, whereas, you know, on Fallon and, um, on Kimmel and, and to a lesser degree on Colby, I think Colbert probably is the best mix, which is why, you know, he’s so good at it. Yeah. Uh, you know, those are very much driven by certainly, you know, James Corden, those are driven by the guest interaction. [00:32:32] Whereas, um, uh, Seth Meyers is very much about that monologue and, and that’s a really, I think he nails it. I’ve actually been very impressed by it. [00:32:41] Brett: [00:32:41] Have I talked about my, my recent new found appreciation for James cordon. [00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] No. [00:32:48] Brett: [00:32:48] I, I never really, like I had enough late shows to watch. I never got into the late show with James cordon, but, um, he is [00:33:00] he’s awesome. Like I. Now that I’ve given him a chance and the interaction between him and the band leader, whose name I forget. [00:33:08] Um, the weird guy used to do, I think robot chicken. what is his name anyway? Like their interactions are amazing because he is a perfect, like weirdo straight guy to play off of. Um, Straight straight, [00:33:27] Christina: [00:33:27] Reggie Watts. [00:33:28] Brett: [00:33:28] Watts. Yes. Um, [00:33:30] Christina: [00:33:30] I’ve met in person. [00:33:32] Brett: [00:33:32] I’m a straight man in the sense of comedy. Not making any judgments [00:33:37] Christina: [00:33:37] no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but, but, but, but I was just going to say like, when I, when I met him, like he was, cause it was. It was such a bizarre thing. It was him, Sarah Silverman, Michael Sarah, and, um, um, Tim from Tim and Eric. And, uh, [00:33:52] Brett: [00:33:52] bang. That’s the show I was [00:33:53] Christina: [00:33:53] yes. And, and that was what I was, was interviewing them about. And it was at South by Southwest. [00:33:59] And I ended up [00:34:00] having to sit on a bar because they’re also tall. And Sarah Silverman like kept braiding my hair and, uh, It was, it was, it was great. It was great. It was very fun, but they were also all so funny in weird ways. And it was just sort of, uh, it was intimidating and maybe rushy. Boston’s great. [00:34:18] Brett: [00:34:18] man, it’s been a lifetime goal of mine to meet Sarah Silverman. [00:34:21]Christina: [00:34:21] She was really nice. Um, I did not piss her off. She, uh, uh, the girl that I’m kind of friends with who was also there, like reporting, pissed her off, um, and wanted her to do some stupid YouTube shit. And she was like, and she was like, I’m not doing that. And like, girl thought she was joking. And so room was like, not joking. [00:34:40] Um, I, I kind of played it cool because. The day that it happened. It was like early in the morning, I was like eight o’clock in the morning. And like at this bar in Austin and it was right after daylight savings is w had switched. So we were all like an hour forward. And so we’d lost an hour and, you know, South by like you drink and like [00:35:00] party and like the whole thing. [00:35:01] And so, you know, we’re there, it’s like seven o’clock in the morning. And like, I’m like looking in the mirror at the same time she was, and I was just like, calming. I was like, I was like, I’m so fucking hung over. Like, I can’t believe I’m here or whatever, you know, just trying to just kind of like, be like a normal person. [00:35:12] Yeah. And so we kind of delved a little bit of rapport. So when I went to interview them, it wasn’t super awkward or whatever, but she was nice. Yeah. [00:35:24] Brett: [00:35:24] Um, so before we switch over to what I hope is going to be a tech part of the show, I want to, I want to talk about vitamins. I have no segue for this, but our second sponsor of the day is ritual vitamins. Um, we’ve talked about this in the past as well, and, and they have continued to support us because apparently we move vitamins. So, if you are looking for a multivitamin that will fill in the gaps in your diet rituals, perfect. It’s a vegan non-GMO gluten and allergen-free and provides nutrients that cover all the bases. [00:36:00] Um, obviously we’re in what for a lot of people is a stressful time of the year. And. Nutrition matters. 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Visit ritual.com/overtired to start your ritual today. [00:37:09]Christina: [00:37:09] great stuff. [00:37:11] Brett: [00:37:11] Great stuff. All right, so I first big news. You know how I, I got, uh, that email about the ultimate hacking keyboard, V2 testing. [00:37:24] Christina: [00:37:24] Yes. And, and, and you were like, worried that you, you weren’t going to, you were like really hoping that you were going to get one. [00:37:30] Brett: [00:37:30] well, apparently they shipped it on Monday. [00:37:34] Christina: [00:37:34] Yeah, that’s awesome. [00:37:36] Brett: [00:37:36] I am. I’m super excited. I had a limited choice of, um, switches. [00:37:44] Christina: [00:37:44] okay. What kind of, what kind of switch did you get? [00:37:47] Brett: [00:37:47] uh, there MX blues, which like I wanted cliquey, but what I wanted the in, in the new version, they’re offering box switches, which I was [00:38:00] super into trying like the, the box whites, but I had to go with blue, but the thing is they’re hot swappable. [00:38:08]Christina: [00:38:08] Nice. [00:38:09] Brett: [00:38:09] I end up being able to keep this prototype unit, I can swap out for box, which is anytime I want to. [00:38:16]Christina: [00:38:16] Very cool. Yeah. I’m looking at, I’m looking at the thing now because I was also looking, I was like, Ooh, this is kind of interesting. And I was like, I like the RGB and I like this white color. And I was trying to figure out like, what types of switches would be good and like, yeah, the whites, uh, seemed like that’d be interesting. [00:38:36] Brett: [00:38:36] never really cared about RGB, backlit keyboards, but they have it programs. So that like when you hold down the mod key things like the, the, like on the, on the ultimate hacking keyboard, when you hold down the mud key, which is under one of your thumbs, a J K L, and I turn into arrow keys and with the RGB, backlighting when you hold down the mod key, the arrow [00:39:00] keys light up, which I’ll admit is pretty cool. [00:39:02] Christina: [00:39:02] Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Like this is, this is stuff that, yeah, I dunno, like RGB is one of those things that, uh, I think in like the PC enthusiastic and which has obviously influenced even, you know, like. Non like PC users who use, you know, customized keyboards, uh, RGB has been one of those things that’s been dreaded because if you would’ve just gone overboard with it, but weirdly I feel like it’s come back around at this point where it’s become such a meme that like people ironically or unironically kind of like it now, at least that’s, that’s where I’m at. [00:39:34] I am with it. Sorry, go on. [00:39:36] Brett: [00:39:36] PC gaming? Build-outs where they’d have like windows in the side of the box with water cooling tubes running through it and everything. Is [00:39:45] Christina: [00:39:45] Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, Oh, that is still a thing very much so, except now, like it’s easier to do. Um, but yeah, they’re there. If you, if you follow any of the PC building channels, which are fun to do, they’re not [00:40:00] as many people do like a lot of the custom loop and water block stuff. Uh, just because. That’s something that’s really time-consuming and hard and you can mess up your components if you don’t do it correctly, but people will do all kinds of really cool looking builds. [00:40:13] And RGB is a big part of that because some of the more popular cases definitely have like, you know, all tempered glass sides and stuff that really show off what they can do, um, which it was just fun, you know, [00:40:27] Brett: [00:40:27] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I used to be into it. I used to build my own PCs, but then I started using Macs and it just really wasn’t an option anymore. [00:40:35] Christina: [00:40:35] Well, exactly. And [00:40:36] Brett: [00:40:36] a hack and tower? [00:40:37] Christina: [00:40:37] which is not going to be an option, you know, going forward. Uh, no, I agree with that. Although it’s been one of those things that for, you know, for various. Other purposes for gaming for other things, gaming. Um, I mean, we just got new consoles, but gaming has been one of those things areas where especially this year, there’s been like such a resurgence and kind of a strong hold on PC gaming, [00:41:00] which you can’t do on a Mac. [00:41:02] Uh it’s it’s not possible. Uh, the, the games aren’t there, you would have to use bootcamp anyway, and you’re talking about, uh, uh, way overpriced solutions, just, you know, the Mac is not and will never be a game platform. It just isn’t. Um, That there’s, there’s been like this, this pickup and people building their own PCs are buying gaming PCs, which is sort of interesting. [00:41:22] So a lot of those channels have increased and it’s, it’s funny too, because the pandemic just like made it more popular because everyone’s working from home. So you need a more popular machine. So the only thing harder to get than like PlayStations are graphics cards and the latest, um, uh, AMD processors. [00:41:41]Like, it’s impossible to get a as in three chip right now, or to get, um, a 3000 series in video graphics card, like, and we’re, you’re talking about things that average separate home, several hundred dollars a piece like the, you know, the ships are, are [00:42:00] $300 up and the graphics cards are like $600 up. And they’re like, Completely sold out. [00:42:07] Like the minute they go up on new ag, like they’re gone. [00:42:10] Brett: [00:42:10] Speaking of gaming, uh, Sony is not only refunding cyberpunk. They’re [00:42:17] Christina: [00:42:17] They pulled it. Yup. Yeah, they’re pissed. [00:42:21] Brett: [00:42:21] Tell me more. [00:42:22] Christina: [00:42:22] Okay. So. For people who want a little more background on this, we did talk about on, on rocket last week, uh, for about half an hour, but, um, cyberpunk 20, 77, uh, is buggy is not ready is one of those games that I think we’ll be fine and I’ve played it. Um, so far on Xbox series X, it’s not perfect. [00:42:43] There are definitely bugs, but it’s, it’s more than playable and it, and it looks good. And that is not an it’s like they haven’t released the next gen patch yet. So, but, but it’s. It’s it’s fine. I mean, was saying that like, it’s a perfect experience, but it’s not one of those things where I’m like giving my money back or [00:43:00] whatever, uh, [00:43:01] Brett: [00:43:01] though. We should mention this. This game has been in [00:43:04] Christina: [00:43:04] in development for eight years. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and they hit crunch. It was originally supposed to be out like early 20, 20, then it was delayed until June. Then it was delayed till November. Then it was delayed until December and it’s not ready. And the biggest thing though, is that, you know, aside from the bugs and whatnot and things that you’re going to have with like a game, this ambitious of this size, they did not clearly. [00:43:29] Ever bothers you any substantive tests on the last gen consoles, meaning the non-pro PlayStation four and the non, um, one X Xbox, if you have an X-Box or an Xbox, an X-Box one or an X-Box one S a which most people do. So, so not the one ax which had 4k upgrades and, and, um, and not the new consoles, but if you had like, The ones that most people have, or if you had a PlayStation four or PlayStation four slim, not the, [00:44:00] not the PlayStation four pro then the game. [00:44:04] I’m not, it just looks like, you know, complete trash, but runs like sometimes at like 20 frames a second, like. Runs really poorly, like frankly is an unacceptable way to release a game, especially when you have between PC and console is they had 8 million pre-orders and when this one notch reviews, reviewers were not allowed to review the console version, they had to. [00:44:29] Review the PC version, which is a massive red flag, but, you know, I don’t think anybody knew how bad it was going to be, so that it’s reviewed under one set of circumstances. It comes out a few days later. You’ve pre-ordered this game and it’s frankly, in an unacceptable way of, of plane, like they’re promising that it’ll get better, but it’s frankly, in an unacceptable state, well, CD Projekt red. [00:44:53] Just made bad situations worse by clearly in their panic. They’re like, okay, okay, well, we’ll, we’ll refund the [00:45:00] game. We hope you won’t ask for this, but we’ll offer refunds and you know, we’re going to continue to work on patches. Well, when they did this, they very clearly had not spoken with Sony or, or Microsoft about this. [00:45:13] They clearly had not like given their partners a heads up and Sony in particular like Microsoft, honestly. Seems fine. Like, like they are offering proactively offering refunds and, um, but it’s still for sale. Like they’re, they’re, they’re kind of, you know, going forward with it. I’m sure they’re not happy with CD Projekt red, but it’s not like they’re not doing what Sony is doing. [00:45:35] Sony as a rule does not need. Does not do game refunds, like for their digital sales, they don’t do it. And when they were then basically voluntold by CD, Projekt red to do it, they at first were pushing back, finally a cup. After a couple of days, they just released a statement on their, on their website. [00:45:55] Like it, you know, in, in a, like a text block, like on Twitter where they’re like, [00:46:00] okay, um, we will be offering refunds and we are also pulling the game from the PlayStation network. You know, um, until further notice, you know, temporarily meaning that they basically came to a, an agreement with CD Projekt red, they were like, okay, fine assholes. [00:46:17] We will refund your game, but guess what? You’ve made us look bad, and this is embarrassing for us and we don’t do this. So we’re going to pull your game from a store. Which is a problem, because if you do have a PlayStation five, this runs pretty well from, you know, by all accounts, I have a PSP, but I haven’t played it on PlayStation. [00:46:35] I played on an Xbox, but people tell me it runs quite well. Uh, so you, you, you know, not that that’s a huge number of users yet, but you’ve cut them off. Um, but you’ve also like, How are, how are people, it gets going to be really hard once the patches do get better to convince, you know, non PlayStation, five owners in the future to be like, yeah, this is worth my 60 or $70. [00:46:59] I’m going to go [00:47:00] ahead and buy this once it’s available again, like it’s a cluster, like people need to be so fired at the top of CD, Projekt red for this. [00:47:08] Brett: [00:47:08] well, and we haven’t even talked about the, the exposed penis bug. [00:47:13] Christina: [00:47:13] Okay. Which no, which, which I kind of love to be honest, I’m not going to lie that, that bug where like, you’re standing like your exposed penis or with your like ass, like, uh, out as you stand up on the car. [00:47:27] Brett: [00:47:27] were the only problem, you could almost look at that as like promotional [00:47:33] Christina: [00:47:33] I was going to say, yeah, honestly that seems free cyber punk. Right? Um, although there is something that is kind of cyberpunk about this deeply capitalistic game, which has these, like anti-capitalism themes being so pushed for crunch and so pushed for time that it’s released in an unfinished state. [00:47:50] And then having these capitalism, like Wars breaking out about who’s going to have to take responsibility for its failure on console. There is something kind [00:48:00] of cyberpunk about that. I’m not going to lie [00:48:02] Brett: [00:48:02] Yeah. We also talked about this on systematic when I had a, actually a scatter on, um, So this, this game has been well covered by Brett and Christina podcasts. [00:48:14] Christina: [00:48:14] fascinating though, because I can’t ever remember a time. I, I think that there was a game that was like voluntarily removed from sales temporarily, but I can’t ever remember a time when you’ve had a major game like this and like, let’s be clear, like this is probably the biggest game of the year and yeah. [00:48:36] And, and, uh, You know, it’s been, it’s been pulled from one of the major digital distributors, right? Like obviously it’s still available on steam and CD Projekt red site and, um, you know, for X-Box, but you’ve just cut off, like, you know, Um, I don’t know how many PlayStation four is. They sold like 50 million. [00:48:56] I don’t know. Maybe that’s no concept, but like [00:49:00] you, you, you cut off that, that user base at least temporarily. And it’s just been such a clusterfuck of a, of a launch in every level. It’s just, although I don’t, I don’t know if there’s any way that you could have had eight years of buildup and it not be a clusterfuck. [00:49:15]I don’t know. I always try to think about that. Can you think about like really like. Long and development like movies or books or TV shows, TV shows you can’t really do eight years, but like movies or books or video games or normal pieces of software that have been in development for that long, that don’t end up being disappointing in some way. [00:49:37] Brett: [00:49:37] I feel like it’s happened before in the gaming industry, but I’m not, I’m not enough of a gamer to re remember. Exactly. I know, like, uh, What not Wolfen Stein. Something post Wolfen Stein was, was predicted, was scheduled and spent like a decade and like [00:50:00] never came to fruition. I guess if I’m recalling [00:50:03] Christina: [00:50:03] yeah, there, there was one of those. And then there was, there was Dyke Ataana, which, which finally did come out what was appointing, which was a John Ramiro’s game. I think, um, Movies. It’s weird. I think Titanic and avatar are both, both James Cameron films, massive budgets, massively delayed, massive successes, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens when the next avatar finally comes out after like a decade. [00:50:32] I don’t think it’s going to work [00:50:34] Brett: [00:50:34] Yeah, [00:50:35] Christina: [00:50:35] and they’ve spent like 11 years on it. Oh, this is my point. Right. But like, but I say this and yet I’m also kind of like, well, Knock, like don’t bet against a casino because you know, Titanic was famously like over budget and, and delayed, and everybody was like, this isn’t going to work. [00:50:52] And then it wound up being, you know, most successful film of all time. Up to that point, it was finally beat by avatar, which was finally beat by [00:51:00] Avengers. Uh, but, uh, like, but, but avatar was also one of those things that I didn’t really expect to work. And yet has. Yeah. I don’t feel like anyone needs a SQL at all. [00:51:14] Let alone three sequels, but yeah. [00:51:17] Brett: [00:51:17] hear about the sequel to Titanic Titanic to the reckoning? [00:51:22]Christina: [00:51:22] Was that, uh, that, that was like the made for TV movie or some shit, right? [00:51:26] Brett: [00:51:26] I’m just making this up [00:51:28] Christina: [00:51:28] No, there was like somebody like had like, no, it would be hilarious, but, but there, there was, uh, a Titanic too. Um, not based on any of like the actual. Um, you know, the story of, uh, you know, like James camera’s Titanic, but like somebody did make like a Titanic too. [00:51:48] Um, but yeah. [00:51:50] Brett: [00:51:50] can’t make us anyway. [00:51:52] Christina: [00:51:52] I agree. I look, all I’m saying is, is it could be called the reckoning and it’d be like, Jack’s revenge or something. Like he comes back from like, underneath, like the [00:52:00] depths of the, the ocean. It turns out, you know, like it just turns into like a jaws slash like psycho film or something. You know what I mean? [00:52:07] Like it goes into one of those things where it’s like, you know, it’s like Halloween, Michael Myers comes back. If you think he’s dead. And then every 10 years he like comes out and pour Laurie Strode is just like being like terrorized by her, her, her brother. [00:52:24]Brett: [00:52:24] So, so I found one other thing to like about big Sur [00:52:28] Christina: [00:52:28] What’s that [00:52:29] Brett: [00:52:29] they, so they moved a lot of the, uh, controls for like Bluetooth and air dropping everything into a control [00:52:39] Christina: [00:52:39] the control scenario. Yeah. Which I like. [00:52:40] Brett: [00:52:40] yeah, I don’t like the, uh, the lack of back buttons, but. Um, that is where you would turn on, do not disturb. However, if you click on the clock slash calendar, like the date in the, in the menu bar that opens up [00:53:00] notification center, and then if you option click it, if you option, click on the clock, it turns do not disturb on and off, which is super handy. [00:53:13] I still can’t script it because if you get. [00:53:16] Christina: [00:53:16] I was going to say, [00:53:18] Brett: [00:53:18] to get the menu bar, like I thought, Oh cool. I can just, you know, do a synthetic option. [00:53:25] Christina: [00:53:25] right? No, that’s what I was thinking too. I was like, Oh, this would be scriptable. I could like connect this to your, um, your stream deck. [00:53:30] Brett: [00:53:30] Right. And menu bar returns. Uh, the first menu bar item is the Siri icon, which is next to the clock. Uh, the menu bar does not return. The date and time item anymore. So you can’t click it. It’s annoying. [00:53:50] Christina: [00:53:50] that’s really annoying though. Okay. That sucks though. Like that’s me. I liked that I like that that feature exists, but now I’m kind of pissed off about it because it’s not [00:54:00] scriptable. And like, that seems like that’s an Anthem. Like that seems like that goes against all known, like Macko S like things ever known about it, right? [00:54:09] Like, [00:54:09] Brett: [00:54:09] technically been. Scriptable like you have to modify the system default and then reload notification center and everything before big Sur. but yeah, that even that doesn’t work anymore. And there, there is, there’s some app that, that came out with a way to, um, control do not disturb through their own gooey. [00:54:34] So someone has figured out. A hack for this, it can be done. I just haven’t found it yet. [00:54:41]Christina: [00:54:41] I wonder if you could like. By that app and either disassemble it, or if it’s open source, if you could like figure out like what they did, [00:54:49] Brett: [00:54:49] source. That was the first thing I checked. Um, but I have considered contacting them and just saying, Hey, I make a free app that would [00:54:58] Christina: [00:54:58] that was, [00:54:58] Brett: [00:54:58] to do this. [00:55:00] [00:55:00] Christina: [00:55:00] was going to be my second suggestion. I was going to be like, okay, if you can’t actually, um, like, uh, Take that like, if you can’t actually disassemble it and like her syringe near her, it like reach out to the dev and be like, Hey, how did you do that? [00:55:13] Brett: [00:55:13] So I do want to, before the end of the year, talk about, uh, some overtired, top Mac and iOS app picks, but we’re at time for the week. So we’ll start that next week just in time for what [00:55:27] Christina: [00:55:27] Yes. Yeah. Yeah, let’s make that literally our, our top topic, because I want, I have, I want to, I want to go through kind of your list and I might have some suggestions to also the listeners. If you have suggestions or things that you think that you don’t want us to like, forget or skip, please either tweet us, mention it in our discord or bug us, um, either Twitter email. [00:55:49] Brett: [00:55:49] Yeah. Um, that the last, the last thing I’ll say is it was recommended in our discord. Uh, someone requested that we [00:56:00] make a shared playlist. [00:56:02] Christina: [00:56:02] Okay. Yes, I I’m I’m into that actually. [00:56:05] Brett: [00:56:05] It’ll get weird. [00:56:07] Christina: [00:56:07] No, it’s going to get super [00:56:08] Brett: [00:56:08] eclectic mix. [00:56:10] Christina: [00:56:10] Yeah. But I like that. Cause we both have really eclectic tastes in music and very, very tasted music. So I’m, I’m looking forward to that. [00:56:17] Brett: [00:56:17] is Spotify okay for that? [00:56:19] Christina: [00:56:19] Yeah, Spotify is perfect for that. And I’ll I’ll, I’ll get you. My, my, you can find me on Spotify. I guess you might use names so you can, or you can create the playlist and share it. [00:56:27] We’ll figure it out anyway. Bye. [00:56:28] Brett: [00:56:28] I think I follow you on Spotify. [00:56:31] Christina: [00:56:31] Likely if you, if you’ve got it connected with Facebook or whatever you probably do, but I don’t know. We’ll figure it out. [00:56:37] Brett: [00:56:37] I love Spotify social stuff. [00:56:39]Christina: [00:56:39] Yeah, I like it. I just, it they’ve, I don’t know. I feel like they’ve, they’ve dropped the ball on it a lot in so many ways, but I do feel like if you can get into it, it is actually really powerful. [00:56:51] Brett: [00:56:51] like that sidebar that shows me what everyone’s listening to at the moment. [00:56:55] Christina: [00:56:55] Yeah. Yeah. I also like that you can turn that off. [00:56:59] Brett: [00:56:59] All right, [00:57:00] well, thanks to better help and ritual for sponsoring this fantastic episode of two, very tired people over tired [00:57:08] Christina: [00:57:08] Exactly. Exactly. [00:57:10] Brett: [00:57:10] more than usual, Christina, get some sleep. [00:57:14] Christina: [00:57:14] Thank you, Brett. You as well, get some sleep.

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[00:00:03] Christina: [00:00:03] It is my turn to do the intro. You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. That’s Brett Terpstra. What’s going on, Brett? How are you? [00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I, so I woke up this morning, um, late, I should say I didn’t get up until like seven 30 this morning. And I woke up to a little scurrying, uh, around on my, uh, mattress or my what’s it called a dovey. And, uh, so here’s the backstory right now, while we’re getting used to this new kitten and this new kitten is getting used to us. [00:00:38] And our new, our old cat is getting used to the new kitten. We keep them separated. [00:00:44] Christina: [00:00:44] right? Yeah. This is what you were saying last week. [00:00:46] Brett: [00:00:46] So the kitten has her own room and there’s a gate like a child gate on the room. And yesterday, I, I went to feed the kitten and found her sitting on top of the gate, which [00:01:00] I thought, okay, she she’s curious, but she didn’t leave the room. [00:01:04] Uh, cats are territorial that she wants her territory. Um, and everything was fine until this morning when I realized that scurrying definitely wasn’t my 20 pound elder cat. It was either a mouse or the kitten had escaped the room. And so I looked up and saw a flasher for running, and she was kind of freaked out being in this big space. [00:01:33] That definitely wasn’t the territory she had gotten used to. So I had to coax her out from under a bookshelf and, uh, and get her back in a room. So now the door is closed. She no longer get the, uh, The child’s gate view of the outside world. She, she needs at least another week of, uh, of separation before yet. [00:01:56] He’s ready for, because you had went to the vet again [00:02:00] yesterday, he was walking around just peeing blood. [00:02:03]Christina: [00:02:03] Oh, [00:02:05] Brett: [00:02:05] cats are expensive, but he’s not dying. [00:02:09] Christina: [00:02:09] Okay. Well, we’ll, that’s good. It’s treatable. Okay. Well that’s, I’m glad it’s treatable. Cause it’d be very upsetting if it weren’t. Um, although that cause cause cat urine has a distinct smell and I have to imagine that like bloody cat urine [00:02:23] Brett: [00:02:23] well, so yeah, it wasn’t actually urine. Like he was, he was doing his normal business in the litter, but whatever he was walking around the house doing was really just, uh, like blood and. Clear fluid. This is gross. [00:02:41] Christina: [00:02:41] This is gross. I was going to say, let’s not talk about this. I really don’t want to I’m grossed out. And, and I, I, I don’t, I don’t want to talk about this. Um, okay. So [00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] here’s the thing though is when Yeti is, is ready to go, it will wreck me, but it will not be nearly as sad as having to [00:03:00] put Finnegan down at like nine months old. Like it will be, it will be sad but less tragic. [00:03:07]Christina: [00:03:07] well, right? Cause you, cause he’s lived a good life and, um, [00:03:11] Brett: [00:03:11] lived a great life. That cat has had everything. [00:03:15]Christina: [00:03:15] Right. So, yeah. I mean, it’s well, it’s, it’s different, right? Like it’s just, yeah. It, you mourn in different ways. Like you can appreciate what you had versus like the promise of what you never got to experience. [00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] So enough talk about old people and their ailments. [00:03:30]Christina: [00:03:30] But, but escapes. So this is the interesting thing to me. Like the cat, like clever little cat, like what, like little bod is like clever to be able to get out of the baby gate. [00:03:42] Brett: [00:03:42] Yeah, well, I mean, it’s a matter of scaling. Uh, [00:03:47] Christina: [00:03:47] Yeah, I know. But still. [00:03:48] Brett: [00:03:48] one that has, it’s like, um, Uh, it’s plastic, but it’s in like a chain link fence, like diamond pattern. And with, uh, with a little work in some upper [00:04:00] body strength, it is scalable. I just didn’t think she would. [00:04:05] Christina: [00:04:05] right. No, I mean, I get what you’re saying. I know what’s possible. I’m just saying I’m impressed. And part of this is because. I’m comparing myself to my cat now, which is weird, but as like a baby, this was what I did. And it [00:04:18] Brett: [00:04:18] an escape artist. [00:04:20] Christina: [00:04:20] yes, actually my mom used to call me Christina Houdini. And, um, I would, well, it was a problem though, because yeah, what was a problem though, because I would escape from my, um, from basically anything I’d get out of high chairs. [00:04:35] I’d get out of very complicated car seats. Like my mom would like take me to the baby store and like put me in the car seat and she’d be like escape. Um, you know, I, I got out of my crib really, really young. Um, and it was the same concept where basically just was able to pull myself over the bar and flip myself over. [00:04:53] And, um, one of my parents’ friends was over and he was like a police officer and he was like, I’ve [00:05:00] seen, you know, kids break their necks or whatever, take the curve apart now. So, you know, I slept on a mattress for a long time because I wasn’t big enough to be like in a big girl bed, but I clearly was not to be trusted inside the crib. [00:05:14] So yeah, I used to do stuff like that. I used to, you know, crawl on everything, walk on everything and yeah, I used to escape things. So I I’m, I’m definitely bonding with this cat based on this story is what I’m trying to say. [00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] I, I don’t think, I don’t think I was an escape kid. I think I was more of a, like scared of the outside world kid. [00:05:34]Christina: [00:05:34] Yeah, I w I, it was weird. I, um, my perfectionist and really didn’t get, like, it’s a weird thing. I think when I was like, sorted. Like regular public school or whatever, something switched my brain or, or something with, you know, having different, I guess maybe even authority mechanisms. I’m not sure what it was, but around the time I was like, like five or six. [00:05:55] So then it kind of switched with me for a number of years. But when I was really [00:06:00] young, I mean, I was totally the kid who would jump head first into the one foot pool. You know, and, and would, and would, you know, just, just, you know, they call me the wild woman and, you know, I’d escaped things. I had no fear, like just didn’t care, you know, with like, you know, crawl on top of everything and, you know, figure out how to do self gymnastics and whatnot and all kinds of stuff. [00:06:19] Just didn’t care just was like, well, what’s the worst that can happen. I guess I could like skin my knees, but that’s not a big deal, whatever. Yeah. [00:06:28]Brett: [00:06:28] All right. All right. [00:06:30] Christina: [00:06:30] I know. I know. [00:06:32] Brett: [00:06:32] That’s that, that, that kind of leads into a mental health corner. [00:06:35] Christina: [00:06:35] It does actually, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good time to go into, uh, Brett and Christina’s mental health corner. But I think it’s, Brett’s turn today. Cause we talked about my issues pin prop last week. So how are you doing [00:06:47] Brett: [00:06:47] followup though. How, how is your mental health state after a week of, uh, of, of not being robbed? [00:06:54] Christina: [00:06:54] Um, well, you know, a week of not being robbed has definitely improved things. Um, I’m still like [00:07:00] dealing with the insurance gobbledygook, but I, but I’ve decided to just kind of, um, take that as it comes, but now I’m doing better, you know? I mean, it’s one of those things where like the anger is basically gone, not at the apartment community, but [00:07:14] Brett: [00:07:14] is it easy for you to do stuff like pick up the phone and call an insurance company? [00:07:19] Christina: [00:07:19] no. [00:07:19] Brett: [00:07:19] Yeah, me either. [00:07:21] Christina: [00:07:21] I hate it. I hate it. It’s, it’s one of those weird things and it’s, it’s honestly, it’s a bizarre thing and that I talk for a living. Like that’s a fundamental part, you know what I mean? Like it’s a fundamental part of what I do is I talk for a living and yet things like that, I really get anxiety and just uncomfortable about, I just, I don’t know. [00:07:41] I don’t like it. [00:07:42] Brett: [00:07:42] Yeah. [00:07:43] Christina: [00:07:43] like my least favorite thing. [00:07:44] Brett: [00:07:44] There’s definitely an anxiety, like component for it, for me to those calls, but also just some kind of mental block. That like, I mean, it’s even true calling friends. Like there’s something about [00:08:00] talking on the phone that really turns my brain off and it just refuses to pick it up and dial somehow I am able to podcast no problem, [00:08:11] Christina: [00:08:11] right. Yeah. [00:08:12] Brett: [00:08:12] a phone call, it’s kind of out of the question most of the time. [00:08:15] Christina: [00:08:15] Yeah, I don’t like, I don’t like the phone. It’s weird though, because I will FaceTime with people. Cool. [00:08:20] Brett: [00:08:20] Interesting. [00:08:21]Christina: [00:08:21] Yeah. I won’t usually initiate the FaceTime, but like if they call me, you know, I’ll, I’ll pick up or [00:08:27] Brett: [00:08:27] No, that’s fair. That’s fair. I have like through the, the pandemic, uh, the, the people that I, I do talk to, we have moved to, uh, FaceTime and zoom calls and it is way easier. For me to video chat with someone like I still am not calling anybody, but I’m pretty open. If someone says, Hey, can we chat? And we jump on a video. [00:08:53] Yeah. That’s way less of a block. I wonder why that is. [00:08:56] Christina: [00:08:56] I don’t know. I’ve thought about this a lot. Um, [00:09:00] we could, we could, this could be a whole thing, so, but I’ve actually, we should come back to this at some point, cause they’ve actually given this a lot of thought about why, you know, being on the phone is this weird blocker. And honestly, my, my big kind of takeaway to be totally honest. [00:09:15] And I hate to say this, cause I think that this is such a crutch in a lot of ways, but I do kind of blame technology. Like, I feel, I do feel like when I was a kid, wasn’t like, I liked to call strangers and it wasn’t like, I like to call, you know, stores or whatever, and I wouldn’t be able to practice and do that sort of thing, but I could do it and I would call my friends and they would call me. [00:09:35] And I never had issues with that. But. From the time I was basically 13 years old onward. Um, most of my primary communications with people. I mean, there was a lot of phone calls, but a lot of it moved to move to text, you know, with AOL instant messenger and then SMS and then, you know, other stuff. And so my kind of thesis to be totally honest is that like, I think that for a lot of us, and I would [00:10:00] include you in this, even though, even though you’re older, I think that we’ve formed a lot of our, like formative kind of social relationships and like cues over text. [00:10:11] Whereas voice is something. If it’s not in something where like, maybe we feel like we have control like a podcast or even something like a video call, which still feels almost texts. Like, I don’t know. I just feel like there’s. I feel like that’s a part of it. Cause it’s not unique just to us. I’ve talked to a lot of people who are younger than me who deplore the phone. [00:10:31] And I really do think that it comes from like [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] I wonder if it’s because of these advances in technology, voice calls became something that you only did when things required. It like it was for serious situations. So in my head talking on the phone indicates like bad things are happening. [00:10:50] Christina: [00:10:50] No, I actually think you nailed it. I think that’s probably it is that you, you get, you have these comforts in these other ways and maybe that is also why FaceTime and zoom calls and things like that are [00:11:00] easier too, because it’s a different motif. We haven’t yet gotten to that point where you have negative things happening that way. [00:11:06] So, yeah, I think that’s probably it interesting. [00:11:10] Brett: [00:11:10] We’d solved it. [00:11:11] Christina: [00:11:11] We’ve solved it. [00:11:13]Brett: [00:11:13] Uh, mentioned, just showed up in my Twitter stream, uh, from Victor from two. Uh, and it says I should talk to Titi scuff and make a song with that audio. And there’s. Uh, not a small part of me that wants to follow that right now, while we’re talking and see what we’re making a song out of, but I’m going to resist. [00:11:32]My ADHD has been killing me for the last couple of weeks. Like I, my last mood swing, like I was having basically a manic episode a month for almost a year. And then all of the sudden it was actually right after I decided to write about my bipolar. I got stable and I haven’t had a mood swing for like going on [00:12:00] four months now and it’s killing me. Like I came to rely on those manic episodes to get shit done. [00:12:10]Christina: [00:12:10] Interesting. And so now that you have the stability and you don’t have that, like your ADHD is [00:12:17] Brett: [00:12:17] it’s making me very aware that my Vyvanse is not working anymore. [00:12:21]Christina: [00:12:21] interesting. Now, do you think that it is like the amount, do you think it’s how much you’re taking, do you think it’s the Vyvanse itself? [00:12:27] Brett: [00:12:27] Think it’s Vyvanse in general. Um, when, back in the day, uh, I used to get both Vyvanse and Focalin, which I’m told is a really bad idea in post, but my psychiatrist at the time thought they made a great combination. And honestly, I have never been. Better off than I was on the combination as risky as it may have been. [00:12:54] I’m not going to ask to go back to that cause no, I think no modern psychiatrist in their right mind would [00:13:00] prescribe both. Yes. [00:13:01] Christina: [00:13:01] I mean, you never know. Um, but maybe it would be one of those things where maybe you could say like, should you switch to vocal line? [00:13:07] Brett: [00:13:07] Yeah. Well, I think I’m curious about Dexedrine, which I’ve never tried. [00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] Oh yeah. That’s what I’m on. [00:13:14] Brett: [00:13:14] I’ve also never been on plain Adderall or Adderall XR. [00:13:19] Christina: [00:13:19] Yeah, so I’m on Dexedrine, um, um, uh, um, XR Stansel. So, which is their extended release. So that’s what I’ve been on my whole life. Um, half my life, whatever, um, weirdly I’ve tried Vyvanse two or three times and each time I’ve tried it, even though it’s the same sort of thing it has, it has not worked for me. [00:13:42] Uh, And I’ve I’ve weirdly have had a similar thing with new vigil, whereas Provigil worked really well. New [00:13:47] Brett: [00:13:47] Oh, totally. [00:13:49] Christina: [00:13:49] I the same like weird reaction to new vigil each time I tried it, but I’ve tried Vyvanse a couple of times because it’s easier to get. And, um, there was a time this isn’t the case anymore. [00:14:00] [00:13:59] But there was a period of time when it was actually really difficult to get deck stream, because I think that they, they really limiting how much of it they were making or something. And it was really hard to get. And so, you know, my doctor was like, okay, well, if this doesn’t come back into supplier or whatever, then we might have to look at switching you to something else. [00:14:18] And so I was trying to Vyvanse and it just didn’t work. Uh, but, but fortunately, you know, the, the Dexedrine, uh, Had supply has, has been fine in the last few years. So, uh, I’m a big fan of that, but, um, I mean, it’s definitely, I don’t know how different, I’ve never taken out a role. Uh, so I don’t know how different it is from that. [00:14:38] I mean, they’re conceptually all the same thing. [00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, there’s two major classifications of. Of a stimulant use for ADHD and basically, uh, w w amphetamines and, and DEC Sol methyl amphetamines. Um, and so basically the difference is Ritalin versus [00:15:00] Adderall. And like everything can kind of like Focalin is, uh, of the riddle in variety. [00:15:06] Vyvanse is of the Adderall variety. I’m not sure where Dexedrine falls on that scale. [00:15:11] Christina: [00:15:11] at the Adderall variety because what Vyvanse actually is is that it’s like water soluble, Dexedrine. So it’s, it actually is Dexedrine, but it’s, it’s, you know, requires, you know, the stomach acids or water solubility or whatever the hell the thing is, you know, they, they split it apart. So that, so that. [00:15:28] In theory kids can’t snort it as easily. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, but, but it’s like, it’s still at the same components, so it’s, it’s definitely of like the Adderall, um, you know, like righty of, of amphetamine. Um, so [00:15:43] Brett: [00:15:43] so we’re about to find out what happens when I go to my psychiatrist and ask to switch meds, it’ll be the first time I’ve switched meds. Since I started my current psychiatrist. [00:15:53] Christina: [00:15:53] well, I mean, I think that that’s. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a good test. I mean, you need to figure it out. Um, but also, I mean, [00:16:00] [00:16:00] Brett: [00:16:00] always the possibility she says, Oh, Nope. That’s drug seeking behavior. Now you don’t get any that’s my that’s my deep seated fear. [00:16:08] Christina: [00:16:08] I know. And I was going to say, this is what you’re afraid of. You’re afraid she’s not going to give you anything. I mean, I think the thing that you point out is you’re like, look, this isn’t working, I’m having these things. You can mention your symptoms. Can we try something else? And I would, you know, to prevent the, the thought of drug seeking [00:16:25] Brett: [00:16:25] Don’t make a specific request. [00:16:28] Christina: [00:16:28] exactly. [00:16:29] Exactly like with the new doctor. Like if it’s somebody who you have a good rapport with, I mean, doesn’t matter, but for this sort of thing, yeah. Just don’t make a specific request and just be open to whatever she’s saying. And then if she does say something that seems off, you could be like, okay, this is fine, but have we considered, I I’d read some things about this, you know, [00:16:47] Brett: [00:16:47] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I’m not, I’m not new to, uh, to trying to get the meds I want because I am actually an addict. So I experienced with this, [00:17:00] uh, to be clear, that’s not what I’m trying to do this time around, [00:17:03] Christina: [00:17:03] Well, that’s the thing. I mean, and it, which, which I think for you past to be maybe like the more frustrating aspect, right. You’re like, I, I’m not doing anything wrong. I promise. Like I actually don’t. Yeah. [00:17:15]Brett: [00:17:15] What is this? Oh, okay. Sorry. I got distracted by a widget in Quip. See, I’m I’m easily distracted. That’s what I’ll tell my psychiatrist. [00:17:26] Christina: [00:17:26] Well, I mean, that’s the thing you can, you can, you can talk about that. You’re like, look, I’m having to, even for me, I’m having to make conscientious efforts to stay on task or stay focused on the same thing. [00:17:37] Brett: [00:17:37] So, you know what happened? [00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] What’s that? [00:17:40] Brett: [00:17:40] Taylor Swift dropped another album. [00:17:42] Christina: [00:17:42] I know. I know. It’s so good. [00:17:44] Brett: [00:17:44] Oh, you saw this I’m shocked. [00:17:46] Christina: [00:17:46] Yeah, I I’m, I’m shocked too. [00:17:48] Honestly. I can’t believe that, um, that it actually hit my radar. Um, no, I actually felt honestly, because, you know, we made, like, I made like the tiny reference to her only [00:18:00] recorded our show last week, which was Wednesday the day it actually went up and then Thursday, the next day was when she did the same thing that she did last time where she like announced like in the morning, like I’m dropping another album at, at midnight. [00:18:12] And I woke up fairly early. But not like eight o’clock in the morning, which was 5:00 AM my time, which I guess was when she did announced it. And people were like, I’m looking for your tag. They’re like, Oh, Christina is still asleep. And I’m like, well, yeah. And then I woke up, you know, a couple hours later and, and I had a million tweets notifications and stuff. [00:18:31] And I was like, okay, what? And, uh, my first thought was that it was like, Maybe rejected tracks that she’d recorded from the folklore sessions, but that’s not what it was. It’s like all new stuff that she recorded after folklore was already completed. And after they’d already, you know, receive the praise for it and whatnot. [00:18:54] Um, have you listened to it? [00:18:55] Brett: [00:18:55] all right. I’ve dabbled in it because I knew I had to for this [00:19:00] show. [00:19:00]Christina: [00:19:00] it’s really good. [00:19:02] Brett: [00:19:02] It’s I haven’t found the standout track yet. [00:19:06] Christina: [00:19:06] Um, so for me, th there, there are a couple, uh, champagne problems, which is track two is really good. Um, the, the, the track, um, the final track evermore, which is another one with bone of error is really, really good. There is, um, Closure is, uh, on the album that that’s probably one of the most 1989, like songs on the record, which, uh, has a good beat to it. [00:19:32] There are a couple of others that, uh, are a little more upbeat. I actually think the production on this one is a little more robust and is a little more open. Whereas like folklore felt very constrained and I mean, which was right, like, it was. Completely produced, you know, like remotely where, you know, he sent her the tracks and then she sent back, you know, finished stuff and then it was mixed and whatnot. [00:19:56] Um, this one, it, there was more [00:20:00] collaboration. Like they were actually in the same space together. I think that the stuff she G she did with Jack Antonov was done separately, but, or at least some of it was, but it seemed definitely like there was a lot more open collaboration. Um, and, and so there is different experiments and definitely there’s more kind of genre. [00:20:17] Um, like shifting like the, the, the, the song with Haim is definitely like, uh, you know, Dixie chicks, um, you know, ask, you know, country song. Um, but, um, nobody knock no, no crime, but, um, I like it. I think it’s really good. I’d actually be curious for you to listen to the whole thing and give your take. Cause I feel like. [00:20:41]It’s still not going to be your album, cause it doesn’t have the bangers, but there are more upbeat and binary songs on this one than there were on folklore. [00:20:51] Brett: [00:20:51] Yeah, so I never listened to whole albums anymore, which is. Possibly, uh, uh, a moral [00:21:00] failing on my part, but I’ll see how far I get through it. [00:21:04] Christina: [00:21:04] I’ll send, I’ll send you, I’ll go back. And after this is over, I’ll send you some of the tracks. I think that you’ll like the [00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] I do love bone LaVar, so pretty much anything that he’s on. Uh, I’ll I’ll give a listen to, [00:21:17] Christina: [00:21:17] Yeah. And actually it was interesting. So evermore is a fricking great track. Like it was, I was so excited when I was listening to it, um, because he comes in like halfway through and, and, and also the, the complete, like, Uh, structured the song changes like the pace picks up and it like almost kind of becomes a different song. [00:21:35] And it reminds me a lot of, of what Suzanne Stevens does with some of his songs where like halfway through it, like, just like, kind of like takes a turn. And it, it there’s, there’s just like this crescendo moment where he starts singing and she starts singing. And like, I just, when I was listening to it for the first time, like I posted pictures on Twitter, like my actual facial reaction. [00:21:53] And it was one of those things where I was like, Grinning from ear to ear. Like I was so excited. Like I was almost in tears. I was just like, my [00:22:00] mind was just like being blown and it was just, it’s really good. Uh, he’s also on a track that she does with the national called Coney Island. And I believe that he does some voice work at some of the other stuff’s there’s this one track called a Marjorie about her grandmother and. [00:22:15] No one watched, I will just say this, Hey, this song is beautiful. And I cried the first time I heard it cause I thought of my own grandmother. And then I watched the damn lyric video. No one watched the lyric video. If you don’t want to cry your eyes out, but if you want to cry, watch it because unlike the rest of the lyric videos, which are usually just like a, like a 15 second clip, kind of, you know, repeating, um, kind of like an Apple TV, um, you know, like. [00:22:39] Screensaver or whatever, uh, where like the lyrics are, are arranged. This one is actually all like home movies of her grandmother who was an opera singer in the fifties. And, um, you know, uh, it even includes some of her opera, like voice kind of mixed into the end. And it’s just, it’s, it’s a [00:23:00] really touching tribute and. [00:23:02] You will cry. Like I don’t care who you are. If you watch that, that lyric video, you will cry because it is at least for me, made me think about my grandmother a lot. And I was like, I don’t need this right now, but this is lovely. So, yeah. [00:23:18] Brett: [00:23:18] so Dean Johnson will be disappointed that we talk this much about Taylor Swift already, but have you ever, you probably don’t know my friend Frank Petri. [00:23:29] Christina: [00:23:29] I don’t think [00:23:29] Brett: [00:23:29] he is, he’s a paraplegic in a wheelchair and no offense to Frank, but he’s a, he’s a kind of grumpy guy sometimes. Um, I’m pretty sure he started listening to Taylor Swift because of us. [00:23:42] Christina: [00:23:42] Nice. [00:23:43] Brett: [00:23:43] And he is almost always the first person to DMA to let me know. There’s a new Taylor Swift album, which I find, uh, endearing and, and humorous. He just, he has never struck me as the Taylor Swift kind of guy. Uh, [00:24:00] but, but he was very excited about evermore. He said it was great. Uh, pointed out, pointed out tracks. [00:24:05] I should listen to. [00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] Okay, good. Well, we’ll, we’ll take his advice for sure. Um, I’ll send you some as well, but, but take, take his first, but yeah, actually, this is the funny thing and I’m sorry, Dean, that you’re going to have to listen to more of this, but that’s, what’s sort of interesting about this. I feel like, okay. [00:24:18] Cause we’ve been doing this show off and on for like six years and we’ve gone through like, it’s been a, kind of a Taylor Swift podcast basically the whole time. And what’s interesting is, um, I, I had, uh, a tremendous amount of like dudes, like people who are not typical Swifty guys who were really getting excited and were, um, engaging with me when the album was released. [00:24:43] And I kind of thanked them. And a lot of them, some of them said the same thing. They’re like, listen to you and podcasts for years, I kinda got into it. But also I feel like the last two records like unfairly or not, like have, you know, um, kind of force people who. Would never want to call themselves [00:25:00] like, Oh, I don’t listen to Taylor Swift because you know, they think they’re too good for it or whatever, to being like, Oh, I can actually appreciate her artistry. [00:25:05] And I really liked the thing she’s doing, uh, which I think is interesting that, you know, she’s reached that phase of her career where I don’t feel like there are certainly still going to be people who don’t like her because taste is subjective and that’s fine. But I feel like the whole argument of like, I can’t take her seriously as a musician. [00:25:23] Like that’s finally gone away, which. Like in my opinion, it should have gone away when fearless came out in, in 2008, because I mean, she won album of the year for that. And that’s a good record. Like it’s a good record. And not to say that every record she’s released has been like fantastic. But, um, most of them haven’t, they’ve all had really good songs on them, but it’s interesting that I feel like now it has, it’s no longer like, even Pitchfork can’t hate on her, you know? [00:25:51] Oh, bitches. Even Pitchfork. Like they won’t give her a 10, but they don’t give anybody a 10. You know what I mean? Like, like there, they have to like give her like good [00:26:00] reviews, you know what I mean? Like for Pitchfork. Um, so yeah, but, uh, [00:26:06] Brett: [00:26:06] there’s, uh, in, in the discord, which you haven’t been to for awhile, [00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] I know I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get back in. [00:26:13] Brett: [00:26:13] in the discord, very recent posts, uh, in the overtired channel, uh, from Casey and. Uh, it’s, it’s a diagram or a bar chart stolen from the shit post diagrams group on Facebook. And it is a breakdown of Taylor Swift’s use of various swear [00:26:33] Christina: [00:26:33] Oh, yeah, I saw this. I love this. [00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] there’s definitely an increase in swearing, uh, like folklore and evermore, like more than double the number of swear words total, but it. [00:26:45] Christina: [00:26:45] said, she, she says, she says, fuck [00:26:47] Brett: [00:26:47] She says the most prevalent words on evermore are shit and damn, and not the most prevalent words, but the most prevalent swear words, um, fuck gets, [00:27:00] uh, far fewer uses on evermore than it did on folklore. [00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] It does. Yeah. [00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] less than half. [00:27:07] Christina: [00:27:07] Yeah, I was going to say, I think, um, cause she said, um, uh, like, yeah, because fuck is in two, um, folklore songs, but it’s in the, um, chorus of Betty. So it appears more times. Um, whereas I believe the only time it’s mentioned in evermore is in the song, um, uh, uh, Champagne problems, which is beautiful, um, where she like sings a thing about like, you know, she would have made such a lovely bride if she weren’t so fucked in the head, they said, um, and it’s kind of a great lyric, uh, but she doesn’t, you know, do the same. [00:27:46] Uh, she doesn’t say it as often in this, certainly not in the chorus, like, um, it is in Betty. Um, and like it is in, um, Mad woman a couple of times, but she says, but there is a song I think it’s Ivy, [00:28:00] uh, might, might be wrong where goddamn is like in the chorus. And so I think that’s why Dan is so prevalent. [00:28:05] Brett: [00:28:05] I think they should have separated damn from goddamn because I feel like they’re technically two different swear words, [00:28:10] Christina: [00:28:10] I agree. They are, they are. Um, and I actually, now that I think about it, I think that was my, that is my only problem with that breakdown. [00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] I knew I knew Catholics growing up, that would say damn, but you would not say God damn. [00:28:23] Christina: [00:28:23] Oh, I mean, okay. So I wasn’t raised as a Catholic, but my mom was like a lapsed Catholic who then became an Episcopalian. And so I was definitely raised to never take the Lord’s name in vain. Like you said, gosh, you never, and yet you could say damn or damn it, but you never said goddamn, right? And, uh, that was certainly one of those things that I started seeing God first, but it wasn’t until I think, like I rejected, organized religion that I actually finally started to say goddamn, um, or [00:28:52] Brett: [00:28:52] pretty much the re the number one reason to reject Christianity in general is so that you can say like Jesus and [00:29:00] God damn. I think that’s, I think that’s true. [00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] I mean, I think that it’s certainly, there’s a thrill in it that if you grew up, with that, it’s a taboo. Like it’s not the reason to leave. I’m not saying that, but there is like a certain thrill that you get. W you know, you, even, if you don’t leave, if you’re just, you know, a kid who was like, Oh, this is, this is taboo in a way that other words were not like, honestly, I feel like taking the Lord’s name in vain was more taboo than saying motherfucker. [00:29:29] Brett: [00:29:29] sure. Well, and for some reason asked as an asshole, like asshole is far more, um, dirty than saying ass to say you’re an ass, you know, because it almost has biblical, like you’re referring to someone as a donkey. But asshole, that’s a whole other meaning [00:29:53] Christina: [00:29:53] yeah. Well, they’re different. They’re different insults. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s weird. I always thought it was interesting that on TV. You know, [00:30:00] you can say ass or asshole. That’s almost never bleeped asshole. Sometimes his ass never [00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] it’s usually asked bleep. [00:30:07] Christina: [00:30:07] yeah, but, but bitch is always okay. No matter what the context bitches always. [00:30:12] Okay. And that’s always, that was always something I remember, like noticing that as like a small child and being like, okay, what’s up with this? You know, and like picking up on the misogyny, even though I didn’t know exactly what it was. And probably by the time it was 10, I realized I was like, Oh, okay, I get it. [00:30:28] So we can call women bitches because they’re women, but asshole is always going to be bleeped. And some of these other things, like, you know, aren’t, aren’t allowed because those are. You know, usually like, not primarily, and they’re not even gendered in the same way because a woman can be an asshole too, but it, it’s definitely more like, um, you know, like, like son of a bitch, maybe that would be a thing where maybe you would see people treat that, you know, more strengths strongly, but I don’t even think that gets bleeped just because bitches. [00:30:58] Okay. [00:31:00] [00:30:59] Brett: [00:30:59] Yeah, no, I think son of a bitch is such a like 1950s swear word [00:31:05] Christina: [00:31:05] Oh, totally. My dad, my dad would say that my dad would say that. [00:31:08] Brett: [00:31:08] shit on CBS all the time. Now they say shit on star Trek discovery, which is just weird to me. [00:31:15] Christina: [00:31:15] Yeah, well, that’s not, uh, Aaron broadcast. So that’s why, [00:31:20]Brett: [00:31:20] I see [00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] they don’t, they don’t air that on broadcast. So that’s why they can say it. So with the stuff you see on the CBS, all access is not the same as what they do on the, um, you know, like network. You technically can say those words is just. [00:31:32] Brett: [00:31:32] just advertisers. Really? There’s no FCC regulation that says you can’t swear. [00:31:38] Christina: [00:31:38] Yeah. I mean, there are certain things where like, if you say you will get fined, if you say like shit, or if you say fuck on, um, prime time. But, uh, like there was one weird thing. I think that Bano in an award acceptance speech said fucking it wasn’t bleeped in an acceptance speech and. They were initially going to be fine. [00:31:56] No, it was overturned because apparently the context in which he said it was [00:32:00] not the same thing, whereas there’ve been other instances where they don’t believe it out and people say it like, you know, people, they can get fined now on cable. That’s where the difference is. So you don’t have to be on HBO, like premium cable to be able to say all the words is just advertisers. [00:32:14] Like you say, but that’s why effects. And then FXX, uh, you know, it’s always sunny and some of their other shows was really the first to kind of push the boundary line and be like, Okay. Our advertisers know what this is. And we, for syndication purposes, can’t say these things and we’ll have to bleep them, but we will let the show go ahead and just go balls out and say all the stuff that, that you know, they would want to, we would normally say on HBO. [00:32:40] Um, but there are certain standards for broadcast still that are slightly different than basically on cable. Anything goes, it’s just. HBO and the showtimes. And what other reason they’ve usually been allowed is because as you said, advertisers, they don’t have them. So, uh, they don’t have to worry about that. [00:32:57] Brett: [00:32:57] Speaking of advertisers. 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[00:34:44]Christina: [00:34:44] Big, thanks to them. I have to say I’ve actually, this is the longest I’ve taken a multivitamin in a really long time and I’ve been enjoying it. [00:34:51] Brett: [00:34:51] Well, it’s super convenient that they just, uh, they just show up and yeah, it, it, it literally becomes a ritual. Um, so [00:35:00] you use Spotify, right? [00:35:01] Christina: [00:35:01] I do well, I use Spotify and I use Apple music, which is [00:35:04] Brett: [00:35:04] Does Apple music do a top songs of 2020 playlist for you? [00:35:09] Christina: [00:35:09] They do, but it’s crappy. Like it’s not good. It’s just based on like, the number of times you’ve played it, which is slightly different. Like Spotify does this whole unwrap thing where they show like your most listened to artist and like new things you’ve discovered and like not have time you’ve listened and all this [00:35:23] Brett: [00:35:23] Do you know who my most listened to artist was? [00:35:26]Christina: [00:35:26] uh, uh, K Flay. [00:35:29] Brett: [00:35:29] it’s sad. That was second Billie Eilish [00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] Nice. I can see that. [00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] it really into Billie Eilish. Apparently, according to Spotify, anyways, you were saying about Spotify playlist. [00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] no, no. Yeah. Yeah. So, so their playlist is, is good. It shows like your, you know, kind of like your, your, your most loved songs of the year. Like a hundred of them. I think that Apple’s, I don’t think it’s a hundred, I don’t know how many it is. Um, but they don’t go into all the details, but yeah, but Spotify gives you all the rundown of data, which I really like the [00:36:00] frustrating thing for me is that I use both services and I use them in different ways and there’s not a way to, without lots and lots of effort, like there would be a way to do it, but. [00:36:10] Realistically speaking the way that I listen to music, there’s not because I always would for, you know, forget to open up certain things. There’s not a way to kind of like have a conglomeration of aggregation. That’s this room looking for, like the aggregate, all of my data, which is annoying because a decade ago there was like, this is what [00:36:30] Brett: [00:36:30] Last step. Um, [00:36:31] Christina: [00:36:31] Exactly a decade ago, 15 years ago, even I had last FM, which would Scrabble all my lessons on, um, you know, Pandora on Spotify, on iTunes, on, I think I was even using Rhapsody, you know, before Spotify came to the U S or other things like that, you know what I mean? Like you could, anything you listen to, it would aggregate and it would automatically pick up all of your iTunes listens and, and, you know, you had like that history. [00:36:57] The, there was even for a time, like there was, you [00:37:00] know, uh, an iOS app and things would kind of run in the background. Now, there are a couple of, um, like Apple music clients that have Scrabble support built-in. But if they’re not running in the background and if you don’t use it as your main player, then it. [00:37:16] Stops picking up what you’re playing. And I just don’t because those, those clients, no matter how good, you know, people, what they put into them, they just aren’t as good as like the native app. I think that’s primarily, probably Apple’s fault. I think Apple probably doesn’t allow them to have access to certain things or, or whatever. [00:37:32] But, um, I ended up not having like, you know, aggregation between my, my two data points and, and it’s really frustrating. [00:37:41] Brett: [00:37:41] like, uh, Spotify still scrabbles to less FM, but what’s the point if Spotify is tracking all this stuff for you anyway, like the whole point of last FM was to aggregate those multiple sources and yeah, I run, uh, like Neptunes and, uh, bar remote. And [00:38:00] these like on my Mac, my, my Apple music stuff gets scrambled, but. [00:38:06] Anything I listened to on Apple music on my phone. It doesn’t get doesn’t get added. Have you ever seen my soundtrack page? [00:38:15]Christina: [00:38:15] I don’t think I [00:38:16] Brett: [00:38:16] Uh, if you go to Bret terptree.com/soundtrack, I did these little experiments where I combined last FM, Spotify and Apple music’s uh, API. [00:38:30] Christina: [00:38:30] see. Yeah, that’s awesome. And, and that’s just like, this is something I used to have kind of a similar thing, although it would usually just be, Oh, this is nice. Um, yeah, I used to, you know, back in the day used to be able to do this. Oh, this is really, this is really nice. [00:38:46] Brett: [00:38:46] Hey, thanks. It was a fun experiment with HTML five stuff, too. Um, but yeah, and they all have previews. You can click on any [00:38:54] Christina: [00:38:54] I know I’m looking at it. It’s really [00:38:55] Brett: [00:38:55] um, Yeah. So anyway, uh, Spotify has by [00:39:00] far the better SDK. Um, last FM has always had like the same API for the last 15 years. It’s always been the same API. It has not been updated. [00:39:11] So Spotify is, is, is far superior and it’s far superior to Apple music’s capabilities to Spotify is the better service. I also use both. But as far as like my daily custom playlists and the stuff that it shares with me automatically and the, the social aspect and the general availability of the music, I want to listen to Spotify wins. [00:39:37] Like I, there’s no way I would cancel Apple music if I needed to save the money, but I would always keep Spotify. [00:39:46] Christina: [00:39:46] Yeah, I’m an so yeah, I think the only reason that I prefer Apple music in some contexts is that I’ve over the years. So for many, many years, I still actually pay for this, even though it’s super fluid, but I paid the $25 a year or whatever it is [00:40:00] for the, um, iTunes match. Yeah. And I have a bunch of stuff that I’ve either purchased or acquired other ways that is not in a catalog that is not available to stream that I’ve uploaded to my, my iCloud, you know, my, my iTunes music cloud that I can listen to within the Apple music interface. [00:40:18] And that for me is key because there are certain albums and certain songs and certain remixes and certain things that like, I just. I, I want them a certain way. And so that is the one thing I can’t give up. And I think that is why I use both. And especially on mobile, that’s usually why I default to Apple music, but on the desktop, because I do have access to iTunes. [00:40:42] If I needed to access. You know that, or, or, or the music app, whatever the hell you want to call it, you know, if, if I need to access that album, like Spotify is the superior experience. It just is, you know, like it’s more lightweight. It doesn’t feel like it’s, you know, taking, um, a million, you know, um, you know, like seconds to open. [00:40:59] Like [00:41:00] I don’t have, you know, all these fears of this other stuff going on. It’s just, it’s good. Um, but yeah, I mean, I’m with you. I mean, like if I had to pick one. Oh, no, actually, I don’t know. I think, I, I think I’m, I’m one of those people, like, I I’m like resigned to having to pay for both. [00:41:16] Brett: [00:41:16] I get that, you know, who slipped into my top 20, 20 artists that I, so Spotify has this thing where they build me playlists that are like their half, like my daily playlist, you know, they’re, they’re half songs that I already love and then they slip in new artists [00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] which I love about them because the Apple, yeah. Because Apple, my favorites, which is a great mix issue with it is it’s all stuff that you’ve liked. So you don’t ever get anything new, which is fine, you know, just to have like a really good like mix, but I like what Spotify does, where it introduces you to new stuff. [00:41:53] Brett: [00:41:53] Yeah. And Apple, Apple is not been good for discovery for me. Spotify is amazing for [00:42:00] it, but so Bishop Briggs, I had never heard of. I had never intentionally sought out, but they started slipping her into my playlists and she actually ended up in my top songs of 20, 20, multiple times. [00:42:16]Christina: [00:42:16] nice. [00:42:17] Brett: [00:42:17] you ever heard Bishop Briggs [00:42:18] Christina: [00:42:18] I don’t think I have [00:42:19] Brett: [00:42:19] checkout check out wild horses by Bishop Briggs? [00:42:23] Christina: [00:42:23] Okay. Okay. I will. Um, so for me on Spotify, I think my top kind of newer Taylor Swift was, was my top artist, uh, naturally cause that’s that’s well, that’s always the case. Uh, but some of my other artists, you know, were, were some other people, but I guess one of my newer ones was for my 20, 20 wrapped was, um, Was, uh, Gracie Abrams, who is, um, uh, JJ Abrams, his daughter. [00:42:47] And she’s very, very good. She’s very, very good. She just turned 21. Um, she’s released an EAP and that’s it. But, and, and I think there were a couple of singles that came out [00:43:00] before that, but, um, she is, sorry, she’s sort of similar to Billie Eilish, I guess, insofar as it’s bedroom pop, but. I would actually say she’s closer to Phoebe Bridgers, um, [00:43:12] Brett: [00:43:12] Slow. Okay. What was the name? [00:43:14] Christina: [00:43:14] uh, greasy Abrams. [00:43:16] Brett: [00:43:16] in my head that immediately translated to Stacey Abrams and [00:43:20] Christina: [00:43:20] Oh yeah. That and then that went to Georgia. Yeah. Yeah, no Gracie, I’m a great Gracie [00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] and then she’s closer to [00:43:27] Christina: [00:43:27] Um, Phoebe Bridgers. [00:43:29] Brett: [00:43:29] don’t know who that is either. [00:43:30] Christina: [00:43:30] Oh, you would really like Phoebe Bridgers. Um, actually you will really like the retro. She’s very good. [00:43:36] Brett: [00:43:36] you can correct my spelling in the show notes. [00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] I will, um, if the wrong window, Pete, Phoebe Bridgers, um, she was nominated for best new artist, uh, Grammy, which is very cause she’s been out for a while, but, um, yeah, her, her album, um, Uh, Punisher is, is really good. [00:43:53] Um, and, um, she’s had, you know, a couple other ones she’s really, really like, kind of fantastic. [00:44:00] Um, so yeah, but, but, but Gracie Abrams is, was, was on my list and that was, and actually, I think that was one that Spotify actually threw my way through one of their playlists, like through one of their recommendation things. [00:44:12] And I was like, I heard a song that she did called 21 and it was like, I love this. And then I started listening to more stuff. And then I was actually, I hate, I hate to admit this. I was sort of annoyed when I realized. That like her data’s super famous I was like, God damn it. Like, and the thing is, and there’s nothing against her. [00:44:32] Cause she’s incredibly talented. She’s worked really hard. She’s also very pretty, but like not in like a way where it’s like, you know, like plasticky, like she’s, she’s uh, seems like a really cool chick. Um, but you know, like her dad is like one of the most famous movie directors. Of course, she’s going to get a record deal. [00:44:49] Like whether she was good or not, she would, but I have to give her credit. Like she’s actually really, really good. And, and, and her music is, is very much like [00:45:00] definitely, um, diarrhea stick, but kind of butter and pop, but like she’s, she’s, she’s talented. She’s really talented. So. [00:45:08] Brett: [00:45:08] So my recommendation, uh, some of my playlists are heavily based off of my love of bands. Like sepal Tura and one new band that slipped into those playlist is called warp chamber. And if, if you’re looking for a break from anything, poppy warp chamber we’ll, um, we’ll put your brain in a blender and you’ll be a mess. [00:45:35] If you make it through an entire song, there’s songs are about, let’s say five minutes long. If you make it through an entire song, let me know, text me and be like, I survived a warp chamber song. It’s I think they would classify it as thrash, but there are so many categories of metal that I don’t even know anymore. [00:45:57] Like I can recognize black metal and I can [00:46:00] recognize like eighties thrash metal, but I don’t, I don’t know what half of these other technical metal crazy things are [00:46:08] Christina: [00:46:08] Well, and metal has kind of gone underground at this point, too, right? Because it’s, it’s not mainstream at all. So, uh, so like how it’s evolving and what it’s changing, which is interesting. Cause it will eventually become like more mainstream again like that, that always happens. But at this point, like it’s very much an underground [00:46:23] Brett: [00:46:23] well, so I think metal kind of faded after, and this is weird, but, um, what’s the form of electronic music. That’s all like digital glitches and dubstep. Dubstep kind of took metal’s place in, in a more mainstream sense and there, and good dubstep has always stayed, you know, off the radio. But aspects of dubstep started creeping into all kinds of songs. [00:46:51] Like the bass drop became ubiquitous in pop music. [00:46:55] Christina: [00:46:55] I mean, Taylor Swift used it in 2012. Yeah. [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] Yeah, everyone [00:47:00] did it. It’s just part of the sound. Now there’s also this sound in 2020, that’s these like reverse reverbed keys. Like you would recognize it immediately. You hear it like everywhere from commercials to pop songs. And I can’t, I won’t, I’m not even gonna try to like, describe the sound, but you would immediately recognize it and be like, yeah, that’s a song from 2020. [00:47:23]Christina: [00:47:23] Yeah, it’s weird how that works, right? Like there are these certain like, um, things where you can listen to you, you know, uh, even, I mean, th this has always been the case, but where you can listen to a song, you can be like, yeah, I know what year this is from. Um, and [00:47:37] Brett: [00:47:37] like trends and, and you can trace them all back to like underground music and, uh, yeah, it’s kind of, I think that’s kind of cool the way that. Uh, people it’s it’s like riffing off each other. Uh, I wouldn’t call it outright theft in most cases. [00:47:56]Christina: [00:47:56] No, I mean, I mean, because it’s not, I mean, look music, I [00:48:00] mean, some cases it is, but in most cases it’s not. I mean, because music has been like in its entire history, it’s been passed down. It’s all about being remixed and reused and whatnot. I had a weird debate with somebody last week. I actually got kind of pissed off. [00:48:14] I don’t know who this person was, but I was, I was commenting on, you know, artistry or something like that. And, um, Somebody was saying something like, he, he enjoyed somebody because like, they, they wrote their own songs or whatever. I was making a comment of somebody writing their own songs. Then he was like, yeah, well, how can you call yourself an artist? [00:48:30] If you don’t write your own songs? And I was like, okay. You know, and I laughed because I was kind of like, okay, let’s just ignore. Or the entire history of recorded music, which in most cases was singing songs that someone else wrote. Right. Or taking something else, like our national Anthem grant point of the sound news. [00:48:46] Right. Like was Crip from someone else, like. W th the whole history of rock and roll literally is Tate is performing songs written by other people. Like, you know, the outliers are actually the people who, you know, [00:49:00] write their own. Like, that’s actually much more rare. Um, you know, like the Beatles, like when they started out, weren’t really doing their own. [00:49:06] And then they did, but like, that’s a rarity, you know, like Elvis didn’t write his own songs, you know? Um, and. And then he was actually trying to point to metal bands and whatnot and, and kind of, you know, like, like, you know, van Halen and shit like that. Oh, they wrote their own songs and I’m like, okay, not to take anything away from Eddie van Halen, like, like Rustin power, but like, you can’t compare that songwriting to songwriting that. [00:49:30] You know, it has happened in, in like other genres and music. You just can’t like the guitar bits short. Right. But like lyrically and, and, and some of the other components, it’s just not the same. Right? Like, it’s just like, it’s different. And, but like literally the whole history of like rock and roll was like, you know, Motown, all that stuff is, is song by committee. [00:49:47] I mean, Nashville literally song by committee. Like it’s very rare that the artists actually records their own music, which is why. Again, like to go back to Taylor Swift, but also to people like, like, like [00:50:00] PB and like, you know, some other like artists, like Billie Eilish, right? Like it’s, it’s impressive because you see them actually being able to not just be the songwriters prints, you know, but like, uh, also, you know, um, be like the face of it because. [00:50:18] There’s a difference like in artistry is different. Like, you know, are you going to say that like Whitney Houston is, was less of an artist than someone else because she didn’t write her own music, like fuck off. Like, [00:50:29] Brett: [00:50:29] well, I mean, so Sinead O’Connor. Like she, she wrote some really good tracks, but her best track honestly, was written by Prince. [00:50:39] Christina: [00:50:39] Absolutely. [00:50:40] Brett: [00:50:40] And, and I don’t think the song would have been the same done by Prince. [00:50:44] Christina: [00:50:44] Okay. No, in fact it was not, if you listened to his version, it’s not, it’s not powerful. Like, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good track, but it’s not the same. Like, it hasn’t doesn’t have any of the same, like resonance at all and yeah. She’s she wrote some good tracks. I mean, Cindy lopper. Is that weird [00:51:00] hybrid in that, uh, and I thought of her because Prince wrote some of her songs too, but she wrote on most of the tracks on she’s so unusual, which is a great album. [00:51:10] Um, and she’s written a bunch of songs for other people and she has a Tony, you know, cause she did kinky boots and stuff like that. But like, um, she was kind of one of those, those rarities and that like, she could, she’s good at maybe writing songs that other people could do, but also had like a completely kind of unique point of view. [00:51:26] But. [00:51:27] Brett: [00:51:27] Maybe I’ve never given Cindy lopper enough credit. [00:51:30] Christina: [00:51:30] you haven’t like if you have to go back and like, listen to shiso unusual, it’s an amazing album and the stuff that she does with princess songs, it’s similar to Shanae, but it’s slightly different because she, I do think because Sinead was so young when Cindy was young too, but just different, like, um, some of the stuff that like, um, Cindy did with like when you were mine, which was originally like a Prince song and like the way that she, you know, like. [00:51:54] Didn’t change the lyrics, which made like the male character, you know, [00:52:00] bisexual, which was interesting. And, and just like her arrangement was artistically like hers. So it still sounds like a Cindy lopper song, even though it’s a Prince song, [00:52:10] Brett: [00:52:10] yeah. [00:52:10] Christina: [00:52:10] interesting. Uh, yeah, that, that’s my shout out for. She’s so unusual, which, uh, um, one of the key albums of my life, not even gonna lie, but also like a really fucking good eighties, like record that. [00:52:22] Continues to stand up. Like I probably listen to that at least once a year. And I’m like, yeah, this, this is still a really good record and time after time. Great fucking song, [00:52:32] Brett: [00:52:32] Yes that for sure. Did she write that? [00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] She did [00:52:35]Brett: [00:52:35] Yes. Okay. That’s that’s going in the show notes. There will be a link to, uh, some video version of time after time, just because, [00:52:44] Christina: [00:52:44] absolutely. Cause that’s a, I mean, it’s just one of those great songs. [00:52:48] Brett: [00:52:48] and, and probably our cover art for the week. We’ll have something to do with Cindy lopper or Christina Houdini. [00:52:55] Christina: [00:52:55] She’s this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, I love it. [00:52:58] Brett: [00:52:58] I found something to [00:53:00] like about big Sur and believe me it’s it’s one of few, but do you remember how I was having that problem? Where every time I unplugged from my, uh, my, uh, USBC dock, my computer would reboot that no longer happens with big Sur. [00:53:18] Christina: [00:53:18] Amazing. Okay. So they’ve updated the USB driver, the USB host drivers, apparently. So that, that works now with your doc. So that’s good. Yeah. Cause you’re using the, um, what should we call it, doc? [00:53:30] Brett: [00:53:30] uh, the Kel digit. [00:53:31] Christina: [00:53:31] yes, the caldera, the Ts three plus, which is a great doc. Yeah. [00:53:34] Brett: [00:53:34] it is. Um, on the flip side, uh, you’ve probably, Oh, wait, you’re not running bigs. Are ya? [00:53:44] Christina: [00:53:44] I mean, I’ve got an on a, got it on, on a container, but no, [00:53:47] Brett: [00:53:47] so in toolbars, you know, like at the top of a window with the icons across it, they have this default style. Now that in big bold letters puts the name. [00:54:00] Uh, the pain you’re on, on the left side. And if you don’t specifically change your code to tell it that this is, this should be a preference toolbar, it basically will shove all of your preference panel icons off the right side into oath of an overflow menu and it’s ugly and stupid. [00:54:20] And I hate it. And even after you change it. So in Mark, I went in and I specifically told him this is a preference to a bar don’t show that goddamn left label. It still centers the icons. So when you switch between pains of different width, your icons move. This is stupid. There’s no reason for this in the video at like the WWE dub dub DC video they did on it. [00:54:47] They’re like, this is great. This is, this is better. It, it centers your icons the way they should be. No, they should be left aligned and they should stay static. As you flip between pains, it’s driving [00:55:00] me insane. [00:55:00]Christina: [00:55:00] See, all these things that you’d like to talk about with this is actually really, um, funny because. Uh, my friend, Chris, like DMD me and, um, he’d wanted advice, first of all, buying a Mac and, uh, he and his wife, I think they both got like 16 inch Mac books, like right before the M one announcement. And it was like, did we make a mistake? [00:55:17] Did we not? And I was like, eh, for what you’re wanting to do, probably not honestly. Um, and he was asking you to, should we go ahead and upgrade, you know, to, to big Sur. And I was like, well, depends on what you’re doing, but if, unless you’re doing, you know, like development stuff, you’re probably okay. And he was like, Oh no, she’s a web developer. [00:55:35] And she does a lot of stuff with, you know, JavaScript and CSS and all this other stuff. And I was like, she’s probably okay. But I would wait. And I was actually thinking about you and like the stuff that you’d run into, I was like, she’s probably using a package manager, like Homebrew, but if you’re doing anything, I was thinking, I was like, what? [00:55:50] She was doing anything with any of the built-in system libraries, you know, I was like, you know, like, I like, I get it for somebody like you, like, you’re trying to update your [00:56:00] apps. You’re trying to test things with, with, um, you know, NV, ultra, and you need to, but, um, my colleagues, it’s so insane to me. Like, you know, we use max at work and like they’ve upgraded, like their work machines and they’re having issues. [00:56:13] And I’m like, why? Like, how have we not learned? Like, I mean, I’m at the point where like, and I’m like, like the, you know, died in the wool, like Apple fan girl, and I’m like, No, I’m not upgrading my work machine. Hell no. Like, and it has something to do with that. We’ll work with Microsoft stuff. Like that’s not my concern. [00:56:30] My concern is like, can I get my day job done? And until I feel confident that I can, I’m not updating. So that’s where I’m at. [00:56:38] Brett: [00:56:38] Okay. I have three things. First of all, while we’re talking, Frank Petri sent me a link to the, uh, what Jimmy Fallon. Yes, the Jimmy kennel interview with [00:56:51] Christina: [00:56:51] Oh, it’s really good. It’s really good. [00:56:54] Brett: [00:56:54] what he said. Good interview. Uh, so I’ll check that out. Cause I, I do like Jimmy Kimmel, [00:57:00] um, number two, we have one more sponsor to get through before we wrap up here. 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This is the best deal you’ll find right now. So head to headspace.com/overtired today, I got that in, just under the wire. [00:59:16] Christina: [00:59:16] I love it. I love it. Thank you, Headspace. And, and everybody could think could use that right now, right? [00:59:21] Brett: [00:59:21] I I, yes, for sure. Um, the last thing I’ll mention, and I don’t know if I should say this publicly because I might jinx it. But did I, did I already tell you about the ultimate hacking keyboard version, two testing? [00:59:37] Christina: [00:59:37] No. [00:59:38] Brett: [00:59:38] They Lazlo from ultimate hacking keyboard contacted me. Um, you know, I basically evangelized for that keyboard [00:59:46] Christina: [00:59:46] Yeah, I was going to say, I think, I think, like I know like three people personally who bought it because of [00:59:52] Brett: [00:59:52] Yeah, I know several as well. Um, and uh, they contacted me because version two is coming out with a [01:00:00] hot swappable, key switches and RGB lighting. And. And they’re finally going to ship the thumb modules. Like it’s a split keyboard and, uh, at the thumb, there’s these connections that they’ve always promised these, like, you can get key clusters and, and, uh, track pads and things for your thumbs, but they’ve, they’ve never shipped them. [01:00:20] So Laszlo contacted me to ask if I would be interested in testing the prototype of the V2, right. And all the modules. And I said, Oh God. Yes. So I [01:00:32] Christina: [01:00:32] were like, you’re like, yes, please. [01:00:34] Brett: [01:00:34] Yes. I literally said, Oh God. Yes. Um, I, I haven’t heard back from him since my fawning response, but I really am hoping that comes through and I get to get my, because it’s, it’s over 200 bucks and, and I also want the risk for us for it. [01:00:51] And I can’t justify the expense right now when my version one is working so [01:00:56] Christina: [01:00:56] right. Well, and, and, and right now, and here’s the thing I’m [01:01:00] just going to like, say this, like LASA, like if you’re listening, like. You are genuinely the best person to be a tester for this, because you will give really good feedback. It’s not, you’re not somebody who’s just going to be like, you know, seeking a freebie, like a, you’ve sold a lot of these things. [01:01:15] Like I said, I know three people that I work with who’ve bought them because of you. Right. Um, and, and you’ve sold, who knows how many more, but be like, you’re the sort of person who you would want that product feedback from. And I say this as somebody who. I’ve been very lucky over the years as you have, but like, we both been sent a lot of stuff over the years to review and whatnot. [01:01:34] And sometimes I think I’ve probably been sent stuff just because of, I have a lot of Twitter followers and, um, maybe I’ve done a good job giving feedback symptoms that haven’t, but there’ve been other times when I’m like, no, I’m actually the exact target market for your product. I am the person that you should. [01:01:49] Have reviewed this. Like there was some sort of, you know, um, kind of DIY like email server thing. And I actually, um, criticized the product on hacker news and then wound up having lunch with the CEO. And then he [01:02:00] sent me the product and I gave him a lot of feedback and like, you know, that’s not free and it’s not free for you to give the feedback and to write the blog post that you do about the keyboard and to really put it through its paces. [01:02:09] And so that’s the sort of thing that frankly, like, I think it would be a benefit. So my fingers are crossed for you that you get, you get that. [01:02:16] Brett: [01:02:16] thanks. I will, I will. I will refer Laszlo to this timestamp in the, uh, in the podcast. Thanks for your support. [01:02:24]Christina: [01:02:24] Yeah. I mean, I like, I want to know if I need to buy or not. Cause I’ve been really happy with, um, the, the key Cron two that I got, but, um, yeah, I mean, I’m always very happy to like, have it happy to spend money on shit, basically, you know, this. [01:02:40] Brett: [01:02:40] you’re a shopper. [01:02:42] Christina: [01:02:42] I am a shopper. I am a shopper. It’s how I’ve been dealing with things. [01:02:45] Brett: [01:02:45] I, I spend more money that broker I get, it’s a really bad habit, but something about when I search to feel like I’m running out of money, the thing that makes me feel better is buying [01:02:56] Christina: [01:02:56] it’s spinning up. Well, there’s also an in, like, there’s actually kind of a theory in this, [01:03:00] which is when you feel kind of like. Hopeless or not hopeless. Like when it feels like further away from being able to afford the things you need or whatever, like, it becomes easier to spend more indiscriminately, [01:03:12] Brett: [01:03:12] instinct. [01:03:14] Christina: [01:03:14] right. [01:03:14] Like, like, like for instance, for me, like I joke, but it’s not a joke where I’m like, you know, um, people are like, Oh my gosh, you know, you buy all this stuff and whatnot. And, and some people have actually asked me, they’re like, do you have like a problem? Or are you like, okay. And I’m like, no, I have like, A ridiculous amount of money in savings. [01:03:31] And I pay my credit cards off in full every month, unless I’m specifically using like a 0% APR like promo or whatever. Right. Like, I, I don’t have any issues with that. My thing though, is that I joke, but it’s not a joke. I’m like, I can’t, I don’t have a house. I can’t own property. And that’s because. The cost of doing that. [01:03:52] Like, I would need, like, I have a lot in savings, but I would need about double what I have, um, to be able to put a down payment on [01:04:00] something. And that’s like, because I can’t, I can’t buy something for less than a million dollars. Like w that’s like, I don’t have the option. Like, you know what I mean? And so, so when, so when that becomes your reality and you’re like, okay, I’m going to need, like this amount of down payment and this amount of other stuff for a mortgage. [01:04:17] You’re like, at least for me, I’m like, yeah, you know what. Fuck it, like just buy the $500 sneakers. Just, just get the stupid headphones just by the keyboards, because what else? Like, it just seems so far off. I’m like, okay, if I have to save up, you know, 250 or $300,000, like, okay. You know, like I might as well just buy the other stuff. [01:04:40] Brett: [01:04:40] speaking of a million dollars, did you see a Apple’s small business program? [01:04:46] Christina: [01:04:46] Yes, I did. [01:04:48] Brett: [01:04:48] If you make under a million dollars a year on the app [01:04:52] Christina: [01:04:52] yep. [01:04:53] Brett: [01:04:53] cut from 30%, take to a 15% take, which is not insignificant. [01:04:59] Christina: [01:04:59] it’s actually pretty [01:05:00] significant. The only problem is people pointed out and like, this is why I think people were saying like, it’d be better if they did like an adjustable, you know, like percentage thing, kind of like adjustable tax rates is that if you were in this weird thing where you make. Over a million, but under 1.3 or 1.4, something, it would actually be better for you if you sold fewer copies terms of what your percentage would be like. [01:05:22] There is like a math thing where like, if you, if you have too much revenue, but under a certain amount, it’s actually better for you to have like under a million dollars in revenue. [01:05:29] Brett: [01:05:29] I aspire to have that problem. [01:05:31] Christina: [01:05:31] I mean, same, honestly. Um, but I actually, I thought that that was a move in the right direction. I think there’s still a lot of things that they should, [01:05:38] Brett: [01:05:38] about time. Like people have been calling for this [01:05:41] Christina: [01:05:41] They have they have, I mean, look, I think that there’s the, the cynic in me that would be like, while this is what happens when like you’re facing down the, you know, um, you know, the barrel of, of, of regulation, um, or, or, you know, like antitrust, you know, um, inquiries and whatnot. [01:06:00] And there might be some truth to that. [01:06:01] I think the bigger thing, I don’t think Apple’s that worried about the government to be totally honest, maybe they should be, but I don’t think they are. I think the bigger thing is that the, um, Discontent from the developer community has become bigger and bigger and bigger, and it’s become a PR drum that they can’t just ignore and get rid of. [01:06:19] And that is the sort of thing that will have long lasting. Uh, negative consequences. And I say that as a company, I guess somebody who works at a company that is still cleaning up from some of the negative repercussions that happened. Some of the things that happened 20 years ago, or are still impacting like my job today, which is fine. [01:06:39] Like I, and I have explained people I’m like, okay, I was 15 when this thing that you’re talking about happened, like I’ve no control over this, but I asked God to be like, but I understand that you even in people who like, were never even impacted by it, like I’ve heard the stories and like, you know, reputations are built and it’s like, it’s really, really hard to build Goodwill. [01:07:00] [01:06:59] It’s really easy to lose it. So, um, you know, I think it’s a good move, right? Because a. It’s not insignificant, uh, B I, I think we all aspire to maybe be developers who would have that sort of revenue for, they have to like, make the decision, like, do I taken less or do I try to squeeze out more? Um, but see, you know, it’s like, yeah, you don’t want, you don’t want that to become like the meme, which is, you know, Apple does it doesn’t care about, about their depths. [01:07:29] Like, you don’t want that to become the conversation, which unfortunately has been part of the. I guess discourse for a while. [01:07:38]Brett: [01:07:38] There was a great onion headline this week that said Facebook was making moves to break up the government before they get too big. And, uh, and right now, as this comes out, we’re recording on Tuesday, but Wednesday at noon, uh, Daniel gel cut is doing a, a, a talk with, um, app figures, uh, uh, a [01:08:00] zoom chat, a webinar on getting more downloads and keeping users happy that I will gladly be attending because Daniel gel coat is like a hero of mine. [01:08:09] Christina: [01:08:09] Oh, yeah, mine too. I love him. Actually. I’m a shadow to Daniel. When I first moved to Brooklyn, he was still living in Brooklyn at the time and came to the surprise party that grant through for me at a, at a bar in the neighborhood, which was really sweet of him [01:08:23] Brett: [01:08:23] He’s the he’s super social, super nice guy. And honestly, best programmer. I know. [01:08:28] Christina: [01:08:28] I mean in Mar Rosetta is still one of those apps. [01:08:30] Like, I, I, like I bought it and, and I, I, you know, I bought all of this stuff, but it’s one of those things, like I have it installed and set up, you know what I mean? Just because I want to give him use for it and I don’t use it, you know? Cause I don’t have a need to anymore, but like I have it open and I open it on occasion just cause I’m like, I, I wanna, you know what I mean? [01:08:47] Okay. [01:08:47] Brett: [01:08:47] Good. No, I haven’t gone that far to open apps. I don’t need, but I do make sure to run the setup versions of the apps. I do [01:08:54] Christina: [01:08:54] Yeah, totally. I mean, I totally [01:08:56] Brett: [01:08:56] including bartender for shout out again, [01:09:00] best Mac utility. [01:09:02] Christina: [01:09:02] Yeah. Bartender four is really good. Yeah, I know. I always do the set up things like, uh, uh, w was it, I think default folder X was one that recently came in and I was like, that’s one of my most used apps. And I was like, yep. Going through the process, replacing this. [01:09:16] Brett: [01:09:16] Fucking save dialogues. If you try to export from, um, logic in big Sur, the options window covers up the folder view. So you have to dismiss the options, like all of the format options. You have to dismiss them just to see what folder you’re saving into. Like, this is not good design. [01:09:40] Christina: [01:09:40] No, it’s not. It’s like I get it. I get it. They really want a touch screen. I get it. Just, just [01:09:46] Brett: [01:09:46] well, in the, in the, the little pop-up the like control center with wifi and Bluetooth and everything, there are no back buttons anymore. You, you tap the titles to, to get out, [01:10:00] which is absolutely. She’s supposed to be a touchscreen. [01:10:03] Christina: [01:10:03] it absolutely is. Well, no, I mean, th this is why, uh, and, and some of our friends at Apple who listened to this are going to be mad at me. I, and I apologize, but this is why I’m calling bullshit on, I don’t care. How many times, you know, Craig and jaws are like, Oh no, we’re, we’re not doing a touchscreen thing. [01:10:18] Yes, you are. Yes, you are. [01:10:21] Brett: [01:10:21] doing it well. [01:10:21] Christina: [01:10:21] Right. Well, I mean, it’s like, I, I grant you the way we might see. It might be different than the way that it’s been approached before, but yes you are. And if you’re not, then wow. I have some serious concerns about who was doing, you know, some of your UX stuff, right? It’s like, no, no. [01:10:37] Tell me this. Like, this is just like you, weren’t doing an iPad video. It just like you, weren’t going to do a seven inch iPad, just like you. Weren’t going to bring, you know, like. Like you weren’t gonna make a phone. Like, you know, like yeah, you’re, you’re doing a damn touchscreen Mac and it might be a different form than what we’re all anticipating. [01:10:53] Just like the iPad was not what we thought that a tablet, you know, like an Apple tablet would be [01:11:00] what yeah. Touch is coming. Like, I’m sorry. Like I wasn’t born yesterday. I I’m not, I’m not claiming to do that. I’m not, I’m not claiming to be the smartest person in the world, but I’m certainly not the dumbest. [01:11:12]Brett: [01:11:12] Okay. You certainly are not, and you certainly are not. [01:11:16] Christina: [01:11:16] All right. [01:11:17] Brett: [01:11:17] yeah, but that time, [01:11:19] Christina: [01:11:19] Brett is about that time, but this has been fun. Um, I will, um, listen to, um, uh, the synthesis music suggestions you gave me. I want you to listen to some of the Taylor Swift stuff. Um, I will send you some of my favorite tracks from evermore. It’s a good album. Like it’s I can’t pick between, uh, folklore and evermore. [01:11:38] I just can’t. I think. [01:11:40] Brett: [01:11:40] they’re sister albums. [01:11:41] Christina: [01:11:41] They are sister albums there. Right. But, but like, they’re both really good, but there are aspects of evermore that I do appreciate because it feels like she just was experimenting in some ways. And I don’t know, I’m, I’m impressed with the creativity. I’m impressed with the fact that once again, like. [01:11:59] Uh, [01:12:00] T she’s also recording all of her old songs. So like, you know, maybe Taylor’s manic, uh, maybe that’s a rumor we should start because like, she seems to be like, having like peak, like, like, you know, she’s very prodigious right now, so [01:12:14] Brett: [01:12:14] Um, yeah. Well, listen to warp chamber right before your next, uh, your next meeting at work [01:12:20] Christina: [01:12:20] okay. Which is like right now, so, [01:12:22] Brett: [01:12:22] yeah, quick get on that. It doesn’t matter what song they’re basically all the same. [01:12:26] Christina: [01:12:26] Okay. Sounds good. [01:12:28]Brett: [01:12:28] All right. Well, once you get through today, get some sleep. [01:12:33] Christina: [01:12:33] All right. Get some sleep, Brett. [01:12:34] [01:12:34] z

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. How are you, Christina? [00:00:05]Christina: [00:00:05] I’m okay. Um, it’s been kind of a crappy week if I can be totally honest, but I’m happy to be here with you. [00:00:13] Brett: [00:00:13] well, I’m happy. You’re here with me. What? Anything specific? Crappy. [00:00:18]Christina: [00:00:18] So, uh, I was robbed. [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] That’s crappy. [00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] Yeah. So, okay. Like, My apartment wasn’t broken into meaning like my personal apartment wasn’t broken into, but I live in, uh, I think that it’s fair to call it a luxury apartment building. I think that would be the appropriate way to define it. I think when you pay as much money in rent as we do, and, and you know, the way that it certainly sells itself on the website and the amenities that it offers and whatnot, I think that’s. [00:00:53] I think that’s how it would do, but this is important for the context. [00:00:55] Brett: [00:00:55] Sure. Sure. [00:00:56] Christina: [00:00:56] th th th th uh, so it’s it’s cause for instance, [00:01:00] if this had happened, when I lived in New York city, when I lived in Brooklyn, I would not have been, I mean, I would be upset, but it wouldn’t be the same sort of thing. This like adds to the violation, but so we pay 3,900 for rent. [00:01:14] We pay $300 a month for parking. And there’s a secured package area where you have to like we’re packages are delivered and it is outside, um, accessible through like an access card in the garage. Well, crack heads got a crack head and they broke into that room during Thanksgiving weekend and, uh, robbed it. And that included a bunch of packages of things that I had ordered over Thanksgiving. So I lost . I lost a very expensive pair of off white sneakers. I lost a switch that I bought for grant for Christmas. I lost, um, a bunch of other stuff and, uh, [00:02:00] all in all, um, it’s been very, very expensive. Um, Process. And now I get to deal with police reports and insurance companies and, and whatnot. [00:02:11] Oh. And, and incidentally, even though it is completely, in my opinion, the responsibility and the just absolute incompetency of the complex, they of course take no responsibility. [00:02:22] Brett: [00:02:22] Oh, well that sucks. But on the, on the bright side, Just imagine being someone who was so desperate, they had to break into a secure package areas and imagine how good a day they had, [00:02:40] Christina: [00:02:40] Oh, [00:02:40] Brett: [00:02:40] like you made their [00:02:42] Christina: [00:02:42] Fuck off. Fuck off, dude. I have. Absolutely. No I, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Fuck off. no, [00:02:51] Brett: [00:02:51] I have been. I have been both mugged and I’ve had my apartment broken into and, and what little I had stolen. [00:03:00] Uh, this is all all happened back in college. I, it does not happen to me these days. I live in a, uh, fairly secure small town, but back then I had both experiences and I have to say, I would rather be mugged. [00:03:14] Um, mugging feels like a very, uh, personal violation, but you kind of focus it on one person who did this bad thing to you, and it leads to fear and it is a violation, but something about having your, your shit broken into. Feels a lot more, uh, like random, like maybe the whole world is bad and you start seeing, uh, evil everywhere you serve here. [00:03:38] Like nothing you have is secure anymore. Like that. I hate that feeling. [00:03:43] Christina: [00:03:43] Yeah. And that’s kind of it, and it’s kind of like, and then like, you’d like, look in, you’re like, okay, well, how did I, you know, like, um, like, Like, what did I do? Like, could there have been something I could’ve done to prevent this? Or like, what can I trust anybody? And then the big thing for me is it’s like, you know, [00:04:00] again, like if I lived in Brooklyn and we didn’t have, you know, like a secure drop-off area and we didn’t have all of this, like pretensive security and they just put stuff on the fucking stoop, like. [00:04:14] You know, if something got stolen off of the stoop, you get it. But, but there’s this other level of just like anger that I have of not just like the violation. Cause you do feel the violation, you feel like, can I trust anything? But also it’s just like the complete ineptitude of the building, like the complete and utter ineptitude of the building and like their response to this is to basically be like, okay, well we hired a locksmith to add a better lock and I’m like, crack heads are gonna crack head [00:04:40] Brett: [00:04:40] well, and you’re still putting the entire luxury apartments shipping. Uh, right before Christmas, you’re putting it all in one a one-stop shop for somebody [00:04:52] Christina: [00:04:52] Yes. Yes. And, [00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] have good security. [00:04:55] Christina: [00:04:55] and, and it’s, and it, well, this is the thing. And then it’s like, they have other options and I, and I [00:05:00] emailed them. Cause when I asked them, I was like, you haven’t taken security seriously, you haven’t done anything. I sent them a pretty, like. Because here’s the thing, like I can, I can rant and vent with people, but if I’m going to actually have a conversation with them, I’m going to be pretty precise. [00:05:12] And I was like, you haven’t taken security seriously at all. I don’t have any trust or faith in you or this building or this, you know, very, very, very wealthy, um, you know, um, building company like that, the management company that owns the building are worth. Billions of dollars. So like, I, you know what I mean? [00:05:30] Like I like, they, they, they are they’re highfalutin. Like, you know, it’s, it’s no skin off their nose, anything that happens, but I’m like, I have no faith in you. And they’re like, no, we had taken, I’m going to push back. We do take security seriously. I’m like, no, you don’t Grant’s car has been broken into twice in the last month. [00:05:47] He doesn’t even lock his car anymore because he doesn’t want them to break the damn windows. So. His car has been broken into twice in the last month. You don’t care. We found someone living in the crawlspace, [00:06:00] um, at one point, which is horrifying on multiple levels in, in the garage. [00:06:05] Brett: [00:06:05] Oh, okay. Thought you meant like in your apartment, that would have been awkward. [00:06:08] Christina: [00:06:08] Uh, that would have been awkward, but, but still, I mean, it’s, it’s in the building, [00:06:12] Brett: [00:06:12] Yeah. [00:06:13] Christina: [00:06:13] where like people are breaking in and then potentially watching you and, and whatnot. And like, and I have sympathy to a certain extent for the crack heads, but to be completely honest, my sympathy stops when you are like breaking into, you know, um, package rooms or cars and, and that sort of thing. [00:06:30] Like that’s when, like, I, I, um, I might be a bad person for that, but that’s, that’s when I got the point where I’m like, yeah, I actually don’t care anymore. You’re like actively violating, um, you know, [00:06:42] Brett: [00:06:42] well, because then it’s inconvenient for you super sympathetic until, until they take something from you. [00:06:50] Christina: [00:06:50] Well, I mean, the thing is, is it’s like, it’s not even about an inconvenient. It’s like, you’re actually committing a crime. Like [00:06:56] Brett: [00:06:56] sure. But the whole point of sympathy is [00:07:00] to look at. What, what happened through make that person need to do that? And a person who’s who is gainfully employed or has their needs taken care of doesn’t break into other people’s stuff? [00:07:12] Christina: [00:07:12] I mean, hopefully, and, and, and yeah, and I can I, and again, I just be honest, like, I’m sorry that they’re drug addicts. I’m also sorry that we don’t have safety nets for them. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to be like, yes, please. [00:07:24] Brett: [00:07:24] Well, sure. Yeah, no, I get that. [00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] B, B, because the thing is, is like, yeah, you know, cause some people are like, Oh, well, you know, must be nice. [00:07:32] You can, you know, afford to deal with insurance. All of a sudden I was like, okay, well, first of all, I work really hard for my money. Like, and, and I worked really hard for the things that I got. And also it’s not as if I buy all these things all the time. Some of these things were Christmas gifts were, you know, things for other people. [00:07:48] The PSI for instance, was for someone else. [00:07:51] Brett: [00:07:51] well, this is, this is prime time to be sealing packages right now. [00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] absolutely. And, and so, you know, any, the response to the apartment complex was just [00:08:00] like completely to me, just insufficient. I was just like, no, you clearly don’t take this stuff seriously. And when we had an old bully manager, she actually had said, okay, cause they, they, they offer these things where you can have these secured delivery lockers where, um, They’re like, they’re expensive, but, but they are in solid buildings and people have lockers and then you have to enter in a code to access the [00:08:21] Brett: [00:08:21] right. Yeah. [00:08:23] Christina: [00:08:23] And she, our old building manager had looked at, at getting them and she was like, it’d be about $40,000. And I’m thinking, I’m like, okay, so you charge a $10 a month surcharge to people living in the building, like fine. Um, people would pay it, you know, um, or I don’t know, just a thought you have an, you have a room. [00:08:42] On the inside of the lobby that you could be using for the package delivery room, rather than having something outside that’s in the garage, which, you know, like we consistently have a problem with. And, and the fact is that when they’re trying to tell me the straight face, Oh, we care about security and I’m like, Grant’s [00:09:00] car has been broken into twice in the last month. [00:09:02] No, you don’t like if you cared about it, you would hire. A security person. She watched over the garage, which would be very expensive. But if you cared about it, that’s what you would do. Like if it would actually affect their bottom line at all, they would do it. And that’s what bothers me because it’s like, again, if I lived in a building that cost less, that didn’t sell itself as doing what it does and it didn’t have the sole delivery place, be what it is then I wouldn’t be as angry at them. [00:09:30] Like I’m actually more angry the building than I am at the crackhead. Like, honestly, Like to me, that, that I’m like a lot more frustrated with that, but the whole thing has just been anxiety written and like, and this is where I’m going to be come. And sufferable a little bit, but like, yeah, even though this is maybe not the best way to deal with the pandemic, one of the ways I’ve been dealing with this whole thing has been by like with blatant consumerism has been like one of the only things that makes me feel like I have control over anything is [00:10:00] to like, get things for myself or for other people. [00:10:02] And then when that’s taken away too, it’s like, well, You know, there’s like nothing that I can do to like, even feel slightly better because I don’t even have any trust that if I buy anything that I’m going to be able to actually get it. And that I won’t literally just be flushing money down the toilet, um, which is not a good feeling. [00:10:21] And I don’t have any trust that this very expensive place that I live, like. You know, it has my best interest at heart or anything. And then I do also think about things I’m like, yeah. You know, if I didn’t leave my apartment, if I didn’t, if I actually went outside, like, would I feel safe that somebody wouldn’t just be able to break in to, you know, the building and just go door to door and start robbing places. [00:10:45]Brett: [00:10:45] so, Oh my God. I could. Today’s episode is brought to you by Headspace, which is great for, you know, finding comfort during a pandemic, but we’re going to wait a couple minutes to do a Headspace ad. Um, [00:11:00] so do you want some good news? Do you want to cheer up? [00:11:03] Christina: [00:11:03] some good news. I definitely want to cheer [00:11:04] Brett: [00:11:04] So listeners know that, uh, last week I was grieving the loss of we had to put down a nine month old kitten and, and that was tragic. [00:11:17] Yeah. So I, we had, you know, we were going to take some time and emotionally recover and, um, And, you know, see what happens. And then we get a call on Saturday night, a friend found a kitten, uh, like a two month, two month old kitten in a cemetery on its own. And they asked if we would, would take them in to shelter until the humane society opened up on Monday. [00:11:46] And I immediately was like, yeah, I, I would love to, even for a couple of days, just have a kitten in the house and. They brought her over and she’s a long hair, which I had decided [00:12:00] if we got another kitten that I wanted a long hair. And, uh, at first she was scared and she was pancaking like when they crouched close to the ground and walk on their stomach. [00:12:11] So I thought it was a munchkin cat. Okay. Turns out she’s she’s normal. Yeah. Uh, when she, uh, kinda opened up and now, like we have her, uh, in her own room to kind of give our elder cat his territory. Um, but. When you go into that room, she runs up to greet you. So it starts me out whittling. And if you lay down on the bed there, she’ll run onto your chest and just start purring and rubbing up against you. [00:12:40] And she plays so energetically and it has been such a joy, even if we don’t keep her, it has been exactly what I needed for the last few days. [00:12:51] Christina: [00:12:51] Oh, I’m so glad. I’m so glad. So have you given her a [00:12:54] Brett: [00:12:54] I have, well, actually, yeah, L named her there’s a book by, uh, Neil Gaiman [00:13:00] called the graveyard book, uh, in which a baby, uh, escapes a gruesome murder and is, uh, he makes his way to the graveyard. Where he is basically adopted by ghosts and they name him, nobody. Uh, which is the name they use is Bob short for nobody. [00:13:20] And, uh, because this kitten was found in the graveyard, we have named her pod. [00:13:25]Christina: [00:13:25] That’s perfect. That’s perfect. I love that. That’s very, that’s very good. L like that’s like, fantastic. Um, so you don’t know if you’re going to keep her yet, but for right now, anyway, she’s like exactly what, [00:13:37] Brett: [00:13:37] Yes. I, I have not even called the humane society yet. Uh, to the extent we, we may hold onto her long enough that it ends up being a surrender situation. And we actually probably have to pay a fee to like, get rid of her if we need to. So, um, we’ll see what happens, but, uh, but yeah, she’s and we still had all the kitten toys and everything, and we had [00:14:00] kitten food and kitten beds and, uh, and we had already kind of set the house up to deal with having a kitten and an elder cat. [00:14:06] And so it was just kind of perfect timing and. This, like, we still carry a lot of sadness over Finnegan, but, uh, but this feels like almost like it was meant to be. And I’m not a con I’m not a guy who says that kind of thing, but everything just kind of fell into place for bod. So, so that’s my, that’s my happy news to contrast your crappy week. [00:14:31] Christina: [00:14:31] That’s awesome. Well, that actually makes me really happy. I’m really happy to hear that. And I’m really happy that that bot is there. And, um, you know, look forward to hearing like what you guys decide what’s going to go into, I guess, your decision about whether or not you keep [00:14:45] Brett: [00:14:45] Yeti. Uh, if Yeti, so while we had Finnegan, Yeti kind of, he moved his territory. Cats. Territorial. So, um, they kind of, they need their own space. And Yeti had moved into the [00:15:00] basement, which isn’t a furnished basement and it made me feel bad for him, but he was super content to like prowl and sleep down there. [00:15:08] Um, but I really, once Finnegan was gone yet, he came back upstairs and was like following me around all day and sitting in my lap and I had missed that and it made me realize that I didn’t want to do anything to. Uh, forced Yeti out. So we’re doing this longer introduction period where they, uh, where bod has her own room. [00:15:30] And, uh, trying to see if Yeti gets to a point where he’s comfortable. He immediately seems more comfortable with a female cat than a male cat. Um, Yeah, and I don’t, I don’t I’ve only, ever in recent years, I’ve only ever had male cats. So I don’t really know he was fine with his female litter mate. But anyway, like if Yeti comes around and, and will still be like my favorite cat in the world and we [00:16:00] get to have bought, then bud stays. [00:16:02] Uh, if Yeti never gets used to having another cat in the house, then uh, then Bob will find a better home. [00:16:11]Christina: [00:16:11] Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, all right. Fingers crossed that the Yeti become as comfortable, um, and, and that bod can stay, but, uh, otherwise I, I, I, I sounds like bod will, will be able to find a good home because [00:16:26] Brett: [00:16:26] have you seen any of the pictures I posted? I’ve only, I’ve only posted a few, but, um, Yeah on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, but I don’t see your shit either. Like the algorithm does not want me to see the stuff you do. You pop up kind of randomly in my feeds, even though I follow you in all of those places anyways. [00:16:47] Christina: [00:16:47] yeah, I was going to say same. I was going to say same, like yeah. The algorithm really is just like, yeah. We don’t care. We don’t, we don’t appreciate that. YouTube. Meanwhile, the algorithm, the way that Facebook works is that somebody who I don’t have [00:17:00] any connections with, other than somebody who I was emailing with and working on a project with came up as a suggested friend. [00:17:05] Brett: [00:17:05] right. Freaky. [00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] I’m like, I’m like, I’m like, okay, we don’t even live in the same state and you’re telling me you don’t search my emails. All right. Whatever [00:17:17] Brett: [00:17:17] Never accept the suggested friends, [00:17:19]Christina: [00:17:19] This, this, [00:17:20] Brett: [00:17:20] find your own friends like that is exactly like one of the prime ways you feed the algorithm is accepting suggestions. [00:17:29]Christina: [00:17:29] Yeah, no, that’s, that’s true. That’s true. What’s actually hilarious. Is I created an alt Facebook account once. Like there was a completely fake name. Didn’t I don’t even know if I had a photo. It was just because as I recall, this was a number of years ago. So, I don’t remember why I created it. I think I, I think that somebody like made you have a Facebook account, if you wanted to leave a comment on, on something. [00:17:51] And like, I didn’t want to leave a comment under my actual name for whatever reason. And so it created this fake Facebook account and I [00:18:00] came back to that account and it had like dozens of friend requests, not a real person, not like, not a real thing. Had. Like dozens of friend requests. And so I accepted them just cause I was like, well, [00:18:13] Brett: [00:18:13] burner account. Why not? [00:18:15] Christina: [00:18:15] exactly why not, but, and then that led to other things. [00:18:18] I’m like, okay, how did, like, how does this even happen? Right. Like, I didn’t even have details in this account for anything. [00:18:26] Brett: [00:18:26] thing, you know, where you like spouting Q Anon conspiracies. [00:18:29]Christina: [00:18:29] No, no, I think I forgot the login or whatever, but, but honestly, if I ever went back to it, if I reactivated that accounter or did something within, I think that would be the account that I would use to try to go into some of the more bananas, [00:18:43] Brett: [00:18:43] Oh, sure. Yeah, [00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] Because again, like, this is the problem and this is the problem that journalists always make. [00:18:51] Like they, they joined those groups and then of course people figure them out because, you know, Like, if you just look at somebody’s profile, you can figure out what they’re doing or whatnot. And I’m [00:19:00] like, all right, that’s amateur hour. If you actually want to get into the groups, you need to use a burner account. [00:19:04] And, uh, you know what I mean? Like, honestly, and, and, but then people that go well, that’s, that’s not ethical. And I’m like, it’s already quasi and ethical. If you’re trying to join these closed spaces to do reporting. Do it correctly, like actually like go into our cover, like, like don’t use your actual [00:19:24] Brett: [00:19:24] I want, I want to. Get myself a burner email, which I sadly don’t have anymore. And a burner phone number. Cause my Google voice account got shut down and I want to, I want a parlor account so that I control parlor the way that they always troll me. I want to do that. But at the same time, I don’t want to, maybe I don’t need that in my life, but I kinda I’m tempted. [00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] Yeah, I thought about that. I thought about that. Cause I, you have a Google voice account, but I’m like, I don’t want to give that my number just [00:19:58] Brett: [00:19:58] well, and they, [00:19:59] Christina: [00:19:59] an [00:20:00] actual burner. [00:20:00] Brett: [00:20:00] they ask for social security numbers, not for like deep, like basic login, but to get like credentialed status, they want your social security number. [00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] I know, I know it’s ridiculous. I’m like, who would actually give that over? Like who would actually turn that over? It’s like somebody who wants to be verified on parlor. Although I can’t imagine that that Maria Bartiromo actually gave her social security number of her. Although, I mean, I would love to think that she did, [00:20:27] Brett: [00:20:27] well, I wonder if they’re verifying them in any way. Can you just give a fake social. For anyone, for anyone who doesn’t know parlor is this social network that, uh, kind of gained traction when all of the like very right-wing people started thinking that Facebook was specifically. Censoring them and Twitter was specifically censoring them and they’re like, fine. [00:20:52] We’re taking our toys and we’re going to parlor. And there we can freely spout our, our, our conspiracy theories [00:21:00] and, and talk about the radical left. And, uh, it was, it’s kind of a playground for, uh, Nazis, I guess. [00:21:09]Christina: [00:21:09] Well, yeah, although gap is really more, the playground for Nazis parlor seems to be more like the playground for like, [00:21:17] Brett: [00:21:17] Nazi adjacent. [00:21:18] Christina: [00:21:18] your, yeah. Or like your racist [00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. [00:21:24] Christina: [00:21:24] Yeah, but, but like, whereas like, but like gab, which was, um, shut down or not shut down, but has like significantly had way less growth and Gabs apps for instance, are not available on the app store or Google play. [00:21:41] Their browser extensions have been [00:21:43] Brett: [00:21:43] right. Didn’t some of them, didn’t some of the major DNS and hosting companies cut gab off [00:21:49] Christina: [00:21:49] yeah, they did. They did CloudFlare cut them off. Yeah, exactly. CloudFlare cut them off. And I think some of the other ones did too. Um, you know, like they they’ve really been, um, [00:22:00] they’ve had a hard time or, uh, their, their, their ICO did not do well [00:22:05] Brett: [00:22:05] Are you being discriminated against? Uh, [00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] Oh, I’m so sorry. What? Yeah, no, gab is, is, is a shit show. [00:22:13] And, and in part, because, um, a lot of the Charlottesville Nazis, like legit Nazis were gap users and we’re, we’re promoting that stuff all over gab and like gab, for instance, like verified weave. And, uh, and then he got mad at gab because they weren’t, um, Hardcore enough for him. And he left, uh, like the whole, the whole thing was just disgusting, but parlor, like, they will actively sensor you if you’re sane. [00:22:44] Uh, but they won’t like if you, if you, you know, use a lot of profanity or nudity or whatever, but they won’t, if you know, you’re all about spreading, you know, conspiracy theories, but I. Yeah, but I do imagine that that [00:23:00] parlor would be like, if you were trying to do some like very blatant Nazi shit, they’d be like, no, um, [00:23:06] Brett: [00:23:06] you said the quiet part loud, tone it down. [00:23:10]Christina: [00:23:10] That’s exactly it because it’s, because again, it’s, it’s your racist grandpa. It’s not like, you know, a skinhead who’s like being really like walking down the street and, and marching and, um, You know, um, uh, protest, you know, against, uh, democracy. Like again, like if you, if you say the quiet part out loud, then that’s, that’s not cool. [00:23:31] But as long as you kind of, you know, say all the dog whistle stuff, that’s fine. But yeah, I’ve wanted to kind of play around with it, but I’m like, I will, I don’t even want to give them a Google voice number, to be honest. Like I have plenty of, I have plenty of burner email accounts. Like that’s not [00:23:47] Brett: [00:23:47] Well, I wonder if they’re VR, I wonder. Yeah, I should see if they even text the number you give them, or if they can verify through email. Anyway, we’re not going to link any of this in the show notes. And if [00:24:00] you’re running to the show notes right now to check for links to any of these places, you are, um, you’re a horrible person and we don’t want you to listen to the show anymore. Fucking Nazis. Um, yeah. So anyway, have you seen the flight attendant? [00:24:17]Christina: [00:24:17] I’ve seen the first episode [00:24:19] Brett: [00:24:19] was a three episode. Premier. How have you only seen one episode? [00:24:24] Christina: [00:24:24] because I had other stuff going on and I was watching the tape of the bell, [00:24:29] Brett: [00:24:29] the new one? Oh God. [00:24:32] Christina: [00:24:32] good. No, it’s really [00:24:34] Brett: [00:24:34] No, it’s not. It can’t be, [00:24:36]Christina: [00:24:36] Oh no, it actually is. I S I, I shit, you not, it’s actually [00:24:41] Brett: [00:24:41] what if I never liked the original. [00:24:43]Christina: [00:24:43] you might say he’ll find the new one. Funny. So the creator, the show runner is a 30 rock and Mindy project alum, and a guy who was the creator of Zack Morris has trashed the great YouTube series is one of the staff writers [00:25:00] and it’s self-aware and, uh, It’s it’s. [00:25:05] It’s good. It’s really good. I’m really angry about it actually, because it’s really funny and good. [00:25:12] Brett: [00:25:12] right. I’m probably, I’m probably not even going to give it a chance. I mean, I’ll put it in the show notes for people [00:25:21] Christina: [00:25:21] I mean, that’s fine. It’s it’s on peacock. I get it. I might try to get it on my Plex so that you can, uh, watch it that [00:25:28] Brett: [00:25:28] isn’t peacock free. [00:25:30]Christina: [00:25:30] Yeah, but I think they have some premium stuff. And so I don’t know if this is one of those things that is freer is not free. I don’t know. Cause I, I have Comcast cable stupidly, which I need to cancel. [00:25:41] And so I get peacock through that. But, um, [00:25:45] Brett: [00:25:45] Um, so anyway, [00:25:48] Christina: [00:25:48] so anyway, the flight attendants, uh, I did see like the, the first episode, cause I like, I like [00:25:55] Brett: [00:25:55] Kelly. Yeah. [00:25:57] Christina: [00:25:57] uh, She’s she’s good. And, and I’m [00:26:00] also, I’m like proud of her. I’m like, you never have to work again, like ever, and you’re still doing stuff. [00:26:07] Like I, part of me just kind of expected her to go off with her horses and shit and like, you know, [00:26:13] Brett: [00:26:13] yeah. After how many seasons on the big bang, it’s not like, yeah, a lot, a lot of [00:26:19] Christina: [00:26:19] and like, they were well, well, and they were getting like 2 million an episode at the [00:26:24] Brett: [00:26:24] Wow. [00:26:25]Christina: [00:26:25] And they were getting the million an episode for a while. So she, like, when I say she never has to work again, like, that’s what I mean, like from residuals alone, she would never have to work again. [00:26:34] But I mean, you know, she was there the highest paid TV people for like the, the, the three of them or one of her for quite a long time. The other cast members were paid well, but not like that, you know? So you, you feel, you feel bad for blossom a little bit. Um, but, uh, but Blossom’s also kind of a weirdo. So you kind of, don’t like, she’s one of those people who like, [00:27:00] is one of those, like the children sleep in the same bed as the parents until they’re like 15 types of people. [00:27:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I know. I was kind of disappointed in that too. I was like, damn blossom. I’d really had higher hopes for [00:27:13] Brett: [00:27:13] But anyway, Kaylee is super good in this show. [00:27:18] Christina: [00:27:18] She is. [00:27:19] Brett: [00:27:19] like she’s playing, uh, an alcoholic flight attendant who witnesses, or like literally wakes up in bed next to someone who’s dead, uh, murdered brutally murdered. And it’s, she plays this kind of frenzied alcoholic on the run from, uh, like a big. [00:27:37] Conspiracy of some sort. Um, and it’s dramatic. It was, it was billed as a comedic thriller and I four episodes in, I can tell you absolutely it is not a comedy. Um, so I went into it with, with expectations that were not met, but as far as a thriller [00:28:00] goes, it is it’s downright delicious. [00:28:02]Christina: [00:28:02] okay. I will watch, I will watch the rest of it that it’s available now. Cause I did like the first episode a lot. Um, and I did know it was a thriller going into it cause I saw some interview. She did and I was like, Oh, okay. This is actually an interesting kind of idea. I like this. So, um, I, I will give, I will watch the rest of it. [00:28:22] Um, And I’m, I’m sorry to keep, to go back on this, but say for the fellows really [00:28:27] Brett: [00:28:27] okay. Okay. Maybe I’ll give it one episode while I’m working on something else. [00:28:33]Christina: [00:28:33] I mean, I, the only thing I’m going to say that like really impressed me is that they have, um, a trans character who is like, Kind of in the Lisa turtle role, like she’s like a cheerleader and she’s rich and popular and kind of inseparable, but in like kind of a, an endearing way. Um, and the way that they handle her character is awesome. [00:28:54] And part of that was because they actually made the actress a producer and had her like, [00:29:00] be a consultant about how they would handle her storylines and stuff, which I thought was [00:29:05] Brett: [00:29:05] that is cool. How are you watching the new season of big mouth? [00:29:08]Christina: [00:29:08] Um, No, it’s on my list though. Cause I knew that they recast, uh, um, the character that Jenny slate had voiced, um, and, uh, which is pretty, which, which makes a lot of sense and is, uh, cool. But no, I haven’t seen that yet. Uh, but, but, um, [00:29:27] Brett: [00:29:27] it is everything. Everything that made the first two seasons, um, pregnant. And, uh, um, what do you want? Honest is like amped up in season three. Um, they like in the first three episodes they’ve covered like, uh, heavy periods. They’ve covered, impacted colons. They’ve covered trans, uh, coming out. Too, like going to summer camp for the first time as a trans woman who was at the [00:30:00] camp last year as a boy and having to go through that kind of transition. [00:30:07] And they’ve got this weird bisexual kid, uh, who. Has like sexual intercourse with pillows. Like they have a whole storyline with him and this like, uh, Lola, I don’t know if you remember the character she’s like this super, like, she wants to be a Valley girl, but she’s just like a Butch, a super giant. Uh, yeah, so they develop like a relationship and it’s, uh, it’s disgusting. [00:30:36] Like I don’t watch it while you’re eating dinner. But at the same time, it’s super honest and real in a disgusting way. [00:30:45]Christina: [00:30:45] Yeah, I was going to say that’s been my only hang up, I think from the reason I haven’t watched it. Cause I’ve, I’ve, I’ve been interested in it. It was that some of the. I remember, especially from like the first season, some of the stuff was like really, really gross in a way that I [00:31:00] was like, I don’t know if I love this. [00:31:03] Um, there’s just, there’s a lot of semen in that show, [00:31:07]Brett: [00:31:07] Hey, [00:31:08]Christina: [00:31:08] there is, [00:31:10] Brett: [00:31:10] is, this season seems to be a lot more about blood and shit. So, you know, it’s a trade off. Wasn’t there tool song about this, um, [00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] I’m sure there was Maynard, [00:31:24] Brett: [00:31:24] shit blood and come on my hands. That was a line, [00:31:27] Christina: [00:31:27] okay. [00:31:27] Brett: [00:31:27] um, prison, prison, sex, prison, something prison. Yeah. I don’t remember tool very well anyway. You know what last year was pretty stressful for everybody. [00:31:38] So what if this year you had something to help you be less stressed and handle the ups and downs, everything from being robbed to finding adorable kittens that life throws at you that’s Headspace. That was kind of a segue. [00:31:53] Christina: [00:31:53] that was a really good read. That was a really good read. That was a really good throw back to everything we’ve been talking [00:31:58] Brett: [00:31:58] Yeah. Yeah. [00:32:00] Integration. Headspace is your daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations in an easy to use app. Headspace is the one and only meditation app advancing the field of mindfulness and meditation through clinically validated research. Headspace is backed by 25 published studies on its benefits, 600,005 star reviews and over 60 million downloads. [00:32:24] So whatever the situation Headspace can help you feel better, even if you’re feeling super overwhelmed right now, coming up to Christmas, Headspace has a three minute SOS meditation to, to get you stable and chilled for your day. For a mood boosting workout, check out Headspace, move and check out the wake up daily, original content intended to inspire you inspire your day from the moment you wake up headspaces approach to mindfulness can reduce stress, improve, sleep, boost, focus, and increase your overall sense of wellbeing. [00:32:57] Um, I am still [00:33:00] loving using the focus soundtracks while I’m working. I something, something switched for me. I used to be able to listen to. As long as I couldn’t understand the lyrics, I could listen to music. Uh, so like Atari, teenage riot and, and, and black metal, I could listen to find while I worked, but I can’t anymore. [00:33:20] And I’ve been working with silence and these focus on tracks have been kind of the perfect in-between for me. Uh, if you haven’t tried them, Christina, you should. [00:33:29]Christina: [00:33:29] Okay. I definitely, I definitely agree. And actually it’s funny because I hadn’t even thought of this, but I, but like I was, I was severely stressed yesterday. [00:33:38] Brett: [00:33:38] I bet. [00:33:39] Christina: [00:33:39] have actually, and I should have used Headspace, honestly. [00:33:43] Brett: [00:33:43] minutes of that you would have been feeling fine. I mean, fine enough to call the insurance company. [00:33:51]Christina: [00:33:51] yeah, well, I was part of the stress was being on the [00:33:54] Brett: [00:33:54] Sure. That is super anxiety inducing. [00:33:57]Christina: [00:33:57] without a doubt, so actually I’m not even [00:34:00] joking. Like I think this is gonna be one of those things after we finish our episode, that I’m going to be taking some time with Headspace. [00:34:04] Brett: [00:34:04] you deserve to feel happier. And Headspace is meditation made simple. Go to headspace.com/overtired. That’s headspace.com/overtired for a one month trial with access to headspaces full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal you’ll find right now. So head to a headspace.com/overtired today, and a big thanks to Headspace for sponsoring this amazingly eclectic ADHD sleep deprived show. [00:34:37]So I, you want to, do you want to do some tech talk? [00:34:41]Christina: [00:34:41] let’s do some tech talk. [00:34:43] Brett: [00:34:43] Um, do you use who to spot at all? [00:34:46]Christina: [00:34:46] That’s like the search plugin thing. I think I’ve used it before, probably because I’ve read some, I’ve read something on your blog about it. [00:34:56] Brett: [00:34:56] yeah, yeah. I’m a huge fan. Like I [00:35:00] are you spotlight all the time and I don’t. I don’t tend to have like deep folder systems because I just find everything with spotlight whenever spotlight fails me, and this is not an advertisement, I’m just a super happy user, uh, who to spot can always find the file I’m looking for. [00:35:19] Uh, and they just came out with their 6.0 release. It it’ll be announced today and we’re publishing the same day we’re recording. So this is super topical. [00:35:28]Christina: [00:35:28] very cool. Very cool. So, uh, what’s uh, what’s some of the new stuff with it because I’m going to probably need to [00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] well, so a while back, uh, I think just one operating system ago, um, uh, Apple mail stopped being searchable. Uh, they changed the way that things were index. So now, uh, who to spot six comes with an Apple mail plugin. And, and I use MailMate, so this doesn’t affect me as much, but I know that I, when I was using mail, being able to [00:36:00] search it with spotlight was, was a big deal. [00:36:02] So that’s exciting. And do you remember tag clouds? Do you remember late WordPress tag clouds when you could like drill down into. Categories using a, like, they added that to, uh, to who to spot. So you can like add a search, comes up, you get a tag cloud of all the tags in that search and you can drill down with it. [00:36:24] Um, regular expression filters. You can, you can filter your results based on, uh, uh, a whole like over a hundred criteria, but you can also use regular expressions to filter them by name, path or folder, which is for those of us who have real, uh, strong, possibly sexual attraction to regular expressions, this is super exciting. [00:36:50] A friend, a friend, actually, a friend slash employer asked me today to write a regular expression, to do something. And I’m super giddy about finishing [00:37:00] up this podcast and editing it so I can get around to writing that regular expression, not only me, but a select group of people. We should start a little club [00:37:11] Christina: [00:37:11] Yeah, I do. I mean, I like regular expressions. I mean, I, I like regular expressions. I don’t know if they make me wet, but like, um, like I, you know what I mean? Like I, like, I don’t, I don’t think I get a wop from, from, from regexes, but I do, I do like them. [00:37:28] Brett: [00:37:28] Uh, Oh, okay. Um, yeah, so there’s like, I’ll link the release notes for this in the, uh, in the show notes. But if, if you use spotlight or even if you’re like a, a Huda spot five user, the 6.0 releases, super exciting. Check that out. I feel like that was that it did sound like an ad read who to spot is not sponsoring us, but maybe they should. [00:37:54]Christina: [00:37:54] This is what I was gonna say. I was gonna be like, look, we, these are not ad reads, but. [00:38:00] Maybe they should be like who to spot, like hit us up. Cause, cause clearly like that’s, that’s what you could get. Um, although maybe you just kind of gave it away, but, but I mean, they, they, they, they, they could also get like a call to action. [00:38:15] You know, they have a coupon, I don’t know. There there’d be, [00:38:17] Brett: [00:38:17] Well, so. Like on my blog. Um, I handpick the sponsors and occasionally I’ll take someone who contacts me out of the blue that I’ve never worked with and, and run a spot for them after I verified that what they’re selling is legit. Um, but for the most part, I, if I write about someone enough times, I reach out to them and ask for their support. [00:38:44] And like it’s a complete full disclosure. There’s a clear line between what is, uh, me writing about them and what is them, uh, paying for space. But like it, I’ve, I’ve worked really [00:39:00] hard to maintain a group of sponsors that I really truly do support. And I think that’s entirely possible to pull off. [00:39:09]Christina: [00:39:09] I think so. [00:39:10] Brett: [00:39:10] Yeah. [00:39:11] So you want to hear my latest, big Sur problems. [00:39:15] Christina: [00:39:15] I do. I’m very excited to, to hear about this because I’ve been kind of waiting to be honest. [00:39:20] Brett: [00:39:20] There’s this command line utility that comes with Macko S called text utill and it can do all kinds of conversions from like RTF to HTML or HTML to text and a word docs. And. You can do like a bunch of cool conversions with it. And it has always accepted input via standard in, so in the middle of a script, if I have like a whole, the content of a document stored in a variable, I can echo that in a, in a shell statement out to texts util and retrieve the output from standard out. [00:39:54] You with me so far [00:39:56]Christina: [00:39:56] I am. [00:39:57] Brett: [00:39:57] in big Sur text [00:40:00] you till no longer accept standard in input. So I have to actually write the content out to a temporary file, run the conversion on it, and then pull the content back in that is breaking so many of my scripts. [00:40:14]Christina: [00:40:14] that’s really frustrating and really annoying. And from what I understand, like if I remember correctly, cause I knew about texting until I don’t think I’ve ever used it other than like. People who’ve written it into scripts that I use or whatever, but, but the, the historical way that it has worked since like the beginning of time has been the way that you described, right? [00:40:32] Like, like before this [00:40:35] Brett: [00:40:35] Yeah, pipe it in pipe it out. [00:40:37]Christina: [00:40:37] right, exactly. Like it hasn’t been a, if you’ve needed to create a separate file and then pipe that in and then pipe out a different output. So this is a significant change to how this thing that is presumably been part of the operating system. For 20 [00:40:53] Brett: [00:40:53] and the con the flag is still there. You can still put it. Dash S T D I N N. And it’s [00:41:00] supposedly according to the main page still reads it, but every time you do it, it will say invalid format, or it gave you some error that it does not make sense at all. No matter what, you’re passing it. Even if you explicitly declare the format, it will still give you an error. [00:41:16] So many of my scripts. [00:41:18]Christina: [00:41:18] And the thing is, is that in theory and like there’s a time when I think that some of us could have been like, this seems like there was a time when we could have expected it. [00:41:27] This was actually a bug that this would be fixed, right? Like that this be something that you could submit a radar for, and that this would get fixed. I don’t have that same confidence now at all. Even if this is actually like an unintended bug, [00:41:39] Brett: [00:41:39] no, I do not. Um, and, and especially not for a command line utility that wasn’t new with this OSTP, like they don’t seem to be doing a great job handling deprecations and things that, that broke. That aren’t, uh, that are kind of educated, which I would consider tax utility kind of [00:42:00] an uneducated, but no, I don’t have any faith that it will ever be fixed. [00:42:05]Christina: [00:42:05] Yeah. Yeah. Which is really disappointing, to be honest. And I think that to me is probably the most disappointing thing is that there was a time when we could be like, okay, this thing that we’ve relied on and that, you know, our ships are written around, there was an error, but it’s going to be fixed. And now it’s like, Nope. [00:42:21] Now it’s just not. [00:42:22] Brett: [00:42:22] And that’s kinda what happened to Mark. Like Mark is using a version of web kit that is deprecated and they, they made that very clear, but, uh, like it, it, it could not use the new version of WebKit and still maintain functionality. So I continued using it, but for whatever reason, it, it breaks. And we’ve talked about this, but it breaks the PDF output. [00:42:50] Only only on big Sur and it’s the kind of thing like, Whoa, I don’t even understand how it broke, like how it’s almost [00:43:00] intentional that they crippled it. And I don’t understand why. And they haven’t responded to any of my forum posts. I haven’t directly submitted a developer request about this, but I’ve gone through all the forums radars and all I’ve been told is that it’s deprecated. [00:43:18]Christina: [00:43:18] right. And you’re like, I know it’s deprecated, but it’s, it’s still, you know, giving me this thing. Like, is there something to work around it? And I mean, the thing is, is that what’s frustrating about that to me, is that like, okay. It’s deprecated, but like, let’s say you wanted to maintain your own fork of WebKit and include that in your own. [00:43:39] You know, within [00:43:39] Brett: [00:43:39] Yeah. Like people did this with like quick time versions and stuff. Yeah. [00:43:44] Christina: [00:43:44] exactly. So, so let’s say like you wanted to, to do that, like, The fact that you can’t even get insight into like, okay, what did you change with however courts or whatever is, is dealing with PDFs? Like what changes did you make there so that if you needed to, cause you know, web kid [00:44:00] is open source extensively. [00:44:01] Like you could pay a bright, I mean, I, I. I realized, but you know, in, in theory, I’m not saying you would do this because that this would be a lot of work, but in theory, you could take the source of the old version of WebKit and make a patch to it to try to make it work. If you even knew, like, what was changed. [00:44:16] But, but I [00:44:18] Brett: [00:44:18] honestly, that’s outside of my, [00:44:20] Christina: [00:44:20] than to be like it’s deprecated. [00:44:21] Brett: [00:44:21] it’s like beyond my skills to actually hack the WebKit source and figure out for this particular problem to figure out how to fix it. Um, [00:44:31] Christina: [00:44:31] No totally fair enough. I’m just saying like, you’re not even getting that information. Let’s say it was within your skillset, right. It gets not in this case. So it’s a much bigger issue, but let’s say that it wasn’t like the fact that, that the only response you’re getting is it’s deprecated. It’s like, okay. [00:44:46] That’s, that’s not really my question. My question is what change was made, you know, like what’s going on here. Um, and then you’re left to feel like, okay, well, you know, this, this feels purposeful. Which [00:45:00] is weird. [00:45:01] Brett: [00:45:01] so have you, are you currently on big Sur or were you still holding off? [00:45:07] Christina: [00:45:07] No. Oh, I’m still holding off. I mean, I’ve got it on a VM, uh, like I’ve got it in a container or whatever. Um, AP Fest container, like on an external drive, but hell no. [00:45:16] Brett: [00:45:16] you know how, when you get notifications, they often have, like, let’s say you get a, a calendar invite. It’ll have two big buttons on it and say like decline and except in big Sur, that’s a dropdown that you have to open to perform the actions on it. [00:45:32] Christina: [00:45:32] Are you [00:45:33] Brett: [00:45:33] I’m serious. Like they added a click to it and I don’t understand why, because most of the time there were only two options and they could easily, still have been two big buttons on it, like why? [00:45:44] Christina: [00:45:44] pray, I pray. Yeah. Like that. That’s really annoying, especially, that’s just, I’m not, I’m not a big fan of this [00:45:51] Brett: [00:45:51] And they did this thing with toolbars. Like if you open up the preferences for an app, unless the app. You can, you can [00:46:00] update this and add, uh, uh, toolbar style preference to a toolbar, but by default it puts the label. Like if you’re on the general tab of preferences, it takes up like two inches. And I’m going to say like, 450 pixels of space to put the word general on the left and then cramps all of the icons to the right, with an overflow menu. [00:46:25] Like it serves no purpose. It does nothing. It doesn’t even look good. Like there are so many choices here that I don’t understand. And this is our, this is our bitching about big search section of the show. [00:46:39]Christina: [00:46:39] Which, which I think is so, which I think is totally fair. Um, [00:46:43] Brett: [00:46:43] you know, what else they broke while I’m on while I’m on a tear here. Um, [00:46:47] Christina: [00:46:47] it. Yeah. Let’s just, let’s just continue talking about [00:46:49] Brett: [00:46:49] I have this app called bunch that, uh, does like batch, uh, application launching. Like you can have a, uh, uh, a text file that makes it launch your [00:47:00] podcasting apps, uh, change your sound input and output. Turn on, do not disturb. [00:47:04]Christina: [00:47:04] It’s like your automator on [00:47:07] Brett: [00:47:07] Yeah. [00:47:07] Yeah. And all text-based super fun and big servers broke the do not disturb. I can no longer programmatically access do not disturb, uh, because they moved it into the control center and I can no longer find where the preference is in the global preferences to turn it on. And, uh, it, it doesn’t seem to be. [00:47:30] Accessible any way other than maybe I can figure out using accessibility scripting to actually like fake a mouse, click on it. But even that has alluded me thus far and it like that, that I get why they moved. Do not disturb into this like new, uh, kind of utility pop-up, that’s very much like iOS where you have like your wifi, Bluetooth airdrop, like it’s all in one little pop-up panel. [00:47:58] That’s cool. I [00:48:00] appreciate. Um, but removing the ability to at all, and to be fair to do it before or required some like core foundation, uh, hacking. It wasn’t, there was no API to do it, but it was possible to change the, the global preference P list and then force a reload of it. And it worked and now it doesn’t and it’s driving me nuts. [00:48:25]Christina: [00:48:25] that’s annoying too. And I also see you kind of in our notes that there’s, they just have something like Ruby [00:48:29] Brett: [00:48:29] Wow. Yeah. So I haven’t figured out what happened there. Uh, like slight, slight Ruby version bump, but every time I, I do like pristine installs of my hundreds of gyms to update them. And every time I get it and it, like, I can run a script and it gives me no warnings. The next time I log in, I get 20 to 30, uh, gem warnings. [00:48:53] They don’t stop my scripts from running, but they, they require that I run gem pristine [00:49:00] to, uh, kind of rebuild all of the gyms from source. And I have not figured out how to actually make it stick. And I. Like there’s no, no explanation for it. And I don’t, it could be something with my own Ruby environment. [00:49:16] I use RVM. I have like four different versions of Ruby running, but if I switched to use the system Ruby, I still have this problem and I, I can’t track it down. [00:49:26]Christina: [00:49:26] yeah, I was going to say to me that the, the, I mean, you’re using RPM, so that. You know, it seems like you’re doing the right thing, but like, to me at this point, I kind of shifted a while ago. I don’t know about you. I stopped using the system libraries and I just moved to Homebrew for everything because I, I got the point that I was like, I can’t rely on any of [00:49:47] Brett: [00:49:47] but because I write, I write so many scripts that I want to share. And I want to share them with people who have no other reason to run a version manager. Uh, so I always try to make it system [00:50:00] compatible. [00:50:01] Christina: [00:50:01] No. And I, and I, and I agree with that. I was just, unfortunately, I think that increasingly that’s going to become difficult for people who don’t have some of that insight, because [00:50:10] Brett: [00:50:10] going to stop bundling, like they [00:50:12] Christina: [00:50:12] I was going to say they announced that. Yup. That’s what I was saying. There, they, they announced they’re not going to be bundling that Stephanie Moore, and I’m assuming you’re going to have to run the similar thing that you do with like X code, you know, tools now. [00:50:24] Brett: [00:50:24] Yeah, you’ll have to do the command line, install, command line tools, installer [00:50:28]Christina: [00:50:28] Exactly. And so like, which is, I think we even talked about this on, on, uh, on a long ago, episode of, of over tired. Like there’s a certain irony there that like windows. Now, if you type in like a Python three in like, like the windows command line, like it takes you to like, there’s a Shem and it takes you to the app store and installs like an official version of Python. [00:50:54] For you, which, which is like, we, it’s weird to me, that windows is, is going in the [00:51:00] opposite direction. Whereas like Mac is, you know, making it harder for some of those things to be installed and to use, you know, like they’re really kind of going out of their way to be like now where we don’t care about built-in system libraries anymore. [00:51:15] Um, whereas like windows is weirdly for non-Windows libraries. Like things like Python, like they’re like, no, we’re, we’re going to make it even easier for you to. Have this installed in a good [00:51:25] Brett: [00:51:25] speaking of windows command line, we promised to talk about windows terminal, but, but. First, we’re going to nerd out about, uh, um, remote HQ. Cause we have two sponsors today. Cause that’s how popular this show has become. We are a two sponsor show now. So. We talked about remote eight HQ, uh, previously, uh, they empower teams to work together as if they were in the same room and they do this with stuff like, uh, you can load up a shared web browser [00:52:00] and it, it like runs in a VM and everyone can. [00:52:03] Take turns controlling it, or, you know, you could try all controlling it at once. Uh, I have not had enough people to make that go disastrously wrong yet, but the idea is that you can take turns going through whatever kind of web based application or if you’re sharing a web design even, um, Any website becomes instantly collaborative and multiple people can click, scroll and type. [00:52:26] If I were to do the actual read, um, you can mix and match a bunch of different apps on the screen at any given time, and you can minimize them off to the sidebar. So you can have, uh, like Google docs, Dropbox share Trello board all while still being able to see video of your teammates. Um, you can customize every room by adding more apps to it. [00:52:47] And the layout is super flexible for every meeting’s unique needs. Emphasize an important document, focus on faces, or just keep, watch over it all. Um, they just added session recording. So when you [00:53:00] set up your meeting room and you have all your apps ready and you’re ready to start a presentation, uh, you can record that and all of your. [00:53:07] Uh, rooms that you have meetings, then you can have recordings for, and they’ve added a mobile mode. So it’s view only if you’re on iOS, but you can at least attend meetings from your iPhone, which is pretty cool. Um, you get a searchable digital trail automatically capturing session output notes from every meeting are logged and saved to that specific event. [00:53:29] And. It’s kind of a big deal. There’s no software to download, uh, web based. Uh, there’s no need for any software to be installed on all of your end users, max. So everyone in your meeting just needs a web browser and, uh, and it can’t perform any malicious actions on your computer. Uh, the meeting rooms can be locked and used by authenticated users only, uh, which is more secure than having a single password for the meeting. [00:53:56] And, uh, with app persistent, you can easily [00:54:00] save your page layouts and save your work across recurring meetings. Uh, simply toggle a switch and you can automatically carry over content from one meeting to the next. So you can immediately pick up where you left off. So if you want to check this out, Head to remote hq.co/overtired for a free 30 day trial. [00:54:20] And when you’re ready to launch, use the code overtired and get the next three months for free. Uh, I highly recommend that anyone who is maybe disillusioned with Slack, uh, wants as a simple and powerful, uh, meeting, uh, method for meeting with all of their employees or coworkers. Check out remote HQ. [00:54:42]Christina: [00:54:42] for sure. [00:54:44] Brett: [00:54:44] I didn’t involve you in that reader at all. [00:54:46]Christina: [00:54:46] That’s [00:54:47] Brett: [00:54:47] We’re we’re, we’re almost at time and I really wanted to hear you talk about windows terminal. [00:54:52]Christina: [00:54:52] Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so what does terminal it launched at, or as officially announced at Microsoft build [00:55:00] 2018, I guess, ended officially launched at, um, build, I guess, um, 2019, I wanna say anyway, it’s been out for. Um, it, it was kind of in beta, I think it’s version 1.5 now, but it’s, it’s been out for a couple of years now and it’s really, really good. [00:55:20] Like, it’s one of those where I think the original trailer Simone to gross for like called it the sexy terminal and was actually really into it. And like, it was one of those things where I knew instantly that it was going to be like the hit of the conference, but I don’t think the marketing people knew, like, I think that [00:55:37] Brett: [00:55:37] who would assume that? Yeah. [00:55:39] Christina: [00:55:39] Right. [00:55:39] Well, because exactly I’m like it’s a developer conference. This is going to be a big breakout thing. Uh, but the, the team has worked behind it. I think I talked about this last week when I, you know, trolled the team with my pull request. Um, Oh, by feature requests rather, uh, w adding stories to it. The, uh, the impetus was really to kind of create an [00:56:00] item to, for windows. [00:56:02] And, and that’s really kind of been their goal. And what it basically is is that it’s, you know, a brand new, um, shell that brings all the windows shelves together. So you have your WSL or windows subsystem for Linux, um, or, you know, um, uh, shell. So like your bass sheller is Z a Z shell or whatever show you’re using, um, with your, your WSL. [00:56:25] Install, uh, PowerShell and, uh, the traditional command line all in one place. There’s also, if you want it to use like Azure’s, uh, cloud shell to remote access Azure stuff, like that’s there too, which is also, uh, a bash, um, instance in most cases, but it’s all lives in one place and you can have different, you can have multiple tabs, you can have different environments, um, you know, Per thing. [00:56:48] Um, there are a lot of different settings you can kind of, uh, you know, get in on. Um, and, and they’ve really kind of going out of their way to do, to make it. As flexible as [00:57:00] possible. And it’s really awesome. I have to say, like, it’s become my favorite way to do with anything from the command line, from a windows perspective, because you don’t have to, because with WSL, you don’t have to deal with Cygwin or anything like that. [00:57:12] You know, you, you can have like your bash utilities and all of your, you know, Linux stuff, but also interface with. Um, you know, your windows step two. So if you’re in a, uh, a windows app, like, like a visual studio code, you can use the remote extension to be accessing everything from the WSL side and actually be using the native windows app, but be using, you know, bash commands to, um, and utilities to, um, you know, deal with, with any of your, you know, Linux server stuff, um, all, all in like the same interface. [00:57:44] So. I don’t know, I’m a huge fan of, of when it was terminal. It’s really kind of opened up my eyes to, um, like you can tell that people are, I mean, I don’t know if I could ever make windows, my, my full-time operating system, but this is one [00:58:00] of those things that definitely. I think makes it a lot more palatable for a lot more people. [00:58:04] And they have, you know, various modes where if you want to have tiled mode, for instance, to, you know, and different themes for, for different shelves or different profiles, you can do that. You can have custom actions if you want to. Um, you know, so you have like, If you want a specific keyboard shortcut, you can change it to whatever you prefer. [00:58:22] Uh, you know, ABI there, they use like GPU accelerated text rendering. So the tech stuff looks really good. Uh, background image support. If you want to make things look really sexy and really like pimp things out. I’m a big [00:58:36] Brett: [00:58:36] Hmm. Nice. I remember. But the terminals I used to run in Linux back in the nineties, uh, those background images were a big deal. [00:58:46]Christina: [00:58:46] no, that’s exactly it. And that’s kind of coming back again. I actually did a session at Microsoft ignite 2019 called temp, uh, put my terminal, which was all about how you can, and I believe I use like a Taylor Swift image as my [00:58:59] Brett: [00:58:59] Of course you did. [00:59:00] Hey, we, we like, we have minutes left in the show and you managed to get Taylor Swift in. [00:59:05] Christina: [00:59:05] I know, I know, [00:59:08] Brett: [00:59:08] I don’t know. [00:59:09] Christina: [00:59:09] the pain support is really [00:59:10] Brett: [00:59:10] I don’t know when the last time you used I term too, was, um, it’s gotten, yeah. Okay. It’s gotten insane with the number of options and, and tools and customization. It has. So I would guess not having used it. [00:59:24] I would guess windows terminal has some catching up to do, but also like I term two is almost so, so insane now that like I would say I use actively maybe 20% of its total feature set these days. [00:59:41]Christina: [00:59:41] right. I’m I’m the same way. And it’s true. It does have some catching up to do for some of that stuff. But the fact that it is like, again, like that’s their goal, right? Like, it’s not, like they’re saying we’re going to be, you know, as good as this. They’re more like, this is, this is what we’re aspiring towards. [00:59:57] I think. Is is a good thing. [01:00:00] Um [01:00:00] Brett: [01:00:00] have I term to switch my. Uh, like color theme and change background color when it detects that I’ve, uh, SSH into different servers. So I can have a different color for every server I’m currently SSH into. And that’s nuts. [01:00:18]Christina: [01:00:18] yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Um, there’s also, I think we might’ve talked about this at one point, but they, they did create a new font. That’s open source, but specifically for the terminal called Cascadia code, which is, which is really, which is a really, really good motto space spot. [01:00:33] Brett: [01:00:33] I do love a good monospace font. [01:00:36] Christina: [01:00:36] and they have, they have a version with both, uh, ligatures and without, and, um, yeah, and, and that’s, that’s pretty cool. [01:00:44] They also like basically, you know, made it easy so that if you want to add like the power line, you know, stuff to it, you can. Um, so like the code ligature, the code variant has like ushers and then the motto variant, um, doesn’t have them, but, but it’s open source and it’s, it’s really nice. I also [01:01:00] love a good monospace font, but they created a, a font specifically for the terminal. [01:01:03] Brett: [01:01:03] it called again? [01:01:04] Christina: [01:01:04] open Cascadia. [01:01:07]Brett: [01:01:07] All right. I will, uh, I will both link that and download it. That sounds exciting. Um, have you ever seen a font called Atkinson hyper legible [01:01:17]Christina: [01:01:17] No, I [01:01:18] Brett: [01:01:18] it out? I’ll link that one as well. It is, uh, a very kind of basic looking font designed like with a dyslexia in mind, but not like, like, uh, W what is that? There’s a open dyslexic like that one. [01:01:35] It’s a, that one’s a funny looking font designed to like, keep your eye weighted to the, the line itself. But this one is just a super, like the way they shaped all the letters and everything is designed to be what, like it says hyper legible. We’ve embedded it in NBA, ultra as a default font now. Cause we like it so much. [01:01:56]Christina: [01:01:56] that’s awesome. That’s awesome. Um, I will, I [01:02:00] love good. I mean, we could talk about programming fonts all day. Honestly, that could be a whole [01:02:04] Brett: [01:02:04] I’m still into, uh, I’m still into, uh, uh, JetBrains, JetBrains, mano. That’s my, [01:02:10] Christina: [01:02:10] His motto was really good. I liked JetBrains Mondo. I like Cascadia a lot. I obviously like operator the, the, uh, the Hoefler font, uh, that I paid way too much money for. Um, but I liked that one a lot. [01:02:23] Brett: [01:02:23] yeah. Yeah. That one. That one costs some money. [01:02:26]Christina: [01:02:26] yeah, it does. I actually, this is, I probably shouldn’t admit this. I think I split the cost with someone. [01:02:31] I think that would be like, Like split the license [01:02:34] Brett: [01:02:34] Yeah, I think that’s [01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Uh, I mean, like I’m not using it in like creating anything, you know what I mean? Like, I’m not like I’m not using it in any of my graphic designs or anything. It’s like, it’s like I’m using this in my, in my text editor or my terminal. Come on. [01:02:50] Brett: [01:02:50] I can’t see them complaining about that. [01:02:53] Christina: [01:02:53] Yeah. There’s another good one called dank mano, which I think also costs money, but it’s like $9. So it’s not a lot. [01:02:59] Brett: [01:02:59] Um, [01:03:00] yeah. All right. Well, it looks like our show notes are going to be half, uh, half mano fonts. So [01:03:07] Christina: [01:03:07] again, it could be a whole episode of a [01:03:08] Brett: [01:03:08] it could be, maybe we should avoid that because talking about mano space fonts probably doesn’t make great radio. Unless you can have like really flowery descriptions of monospace fonts, [01:03:22]Christina: [01:03:22] Yeah, no, it doesn’t really make good radio. You’re right. You’re right. Uh, I mean, I bet somebody could make it work. Like IRA glass could make it work, [01:03:30] Brett: [01:03:30] if you could do it like wine snaps style and talk about like, it has notes of this and, and the aftertaste and [01:03:37] Christina: [01:03:37] Uh huh. And enhance of this. Yeah. [01:03:39] Brett: [01:03:39] yeah. Well, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll see what I can do. I’ll see what I can do. [01:03:43] Christina: [01:03:43] Okay. Okay. [01:03:45] Brett: [01:03:45] right. Well, thanks to, uh, to our sponsors this week. And Christina, I’m really sorry about your, your robbery. [01:03:53]Christina: [01:03:53] Thank you. And I’m very happy about, about bod. Um, that, that makes me really happy. [01:03:59] Brett: [01:03:59] yeah, [01:04:00] stay tuned for more pictures, [01:04:01]Christina: [01:04:01] I definitely will. I definitely will. All right, Brett, we’ll get [01:04:04] Brett: [01:04:04] get some sleep, Christina.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network. BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Hi, I’m Brett Terpstra, and we’re going to get the, uh, the intro in the proper order this week. So here it goes. Welcome to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. How’s it going, Christina? [00:00:12] Christina: [00:00:12] pretty good, Brett, pretty good. Uh, w this is like classic overtired style, and that we are doing this at the crack ass of Dawn my time. So we’re both going to be a little bit tired. Um, how are you? [00:00:26] Brett: [00:00:26] I haven’t slept all week. So yeah, I am fully over right now. I, we had to, we had to do a really sad thing this week. I’m not talking like really sad. I’m talking like tragic. [00:00:40] Christina: [00:00:40] yeah, no. I saw your Facebook post and like it broke my heart. And so I think we should just skip all the niceties and just go straight into, uh, into Brett’s mental health [00:00:50] Brett: [00:00:50] Yeah, right. So yeah. Speaking of mental health, uh, I’ll mention our two sponsors this week are, uh, better help, [00:01:00] uh, which is online counseling and, uh, ritual vitamins, which are great for all kinds of health stuff. So. That’s a good lead in, I guess, to the fact that, uh, we had a kitten born on, uh, born on Valentine’s day. [00:01:18] And, uh, and we got him, uh, after about eight weeks and, uh, we named him Finnegan and he w his nickname was loved pig because he would just crawl up on your shoulder and purse so loud that you couldn’t hear anything. And he just, he was so good. And then he got FIP, which is, uh, it’s caused by a Corona virus and it, uh, causes fluid buildup and, uh, it it’s terminal. [00:01:51] And we had to put him down last week, uh, at the age of like nine months. And it was the saddest thing I’ve ever [00:02:00] done. I’ve put plenty of animals to sleep over the years. But this was the hardest. [00:02:07]Christina: [00:02:07] Uh, I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. I don’t even like losing pets is the hardest anyway, but yeah, no. And I saw your Facebook posts. I was just like, my heart went out to you and L because. I can’t even imagine, you know, something to who, it seemed like you really connected with this, with this kitten and you know, for it to be so little. [00:02:27] And, uh, I’m so sorry. [00:02:29] Brett: [00:02:29] Yeah. And it was the first pet that Ella and I got together. Uh, all, all of our other pets came into the relationship. And, uh, and we’re very attached to one or the other of us and Finnegan was kind of both of ours after he got sick, he became, uh, a momma’s boy. He always wanted to be an L’s lap, which was fine. [00:02:50] I think I’m better at petting animals than she is, but she’s the, uh, she’s the chill nurturing one. Uh, and I think he, [00:03:00] he just wanted to curl up in her lap while she knit and just his breathing got labored over time. and we didn’t want him to slowly suffocate. So [00:03:10] Christina: [00:03:10] no. You wanted to do the humane thing. Uh, is there like, is there anything preventative that, like, I know some feline diseases, like they have vaccines and stuff. Is there [00:03:21] Brett: [00:03:21] I don’t think there is the, like they say 80 to 90% of all cats get exposed to this Corona virus. Uh, and only about one in 5,000 actually develop FIP from it. So, uh, to really your cat’s immune system will determine whether or not this happens. And I’ve talked to him since, cause I posted about this. [00:03:45] Um, and since posting, I’ve heard from a few people, who’ve had the same thing happen and it’s just kind of a risk you take. Um, and I don’t think it matters where your cat comes from, whether it’s a shelter or a breeder or. [00:04:00] Whatever, however you get your cat, like I’ve adopted cats that I found in gutters and they haven’t had the kind of health problems that we saw. [00:04:10] So yeah, I’ve been, I lost sleep before, like the thought of having to do it, uh, made me like ill, [00:04:20] Christina: [00:04:20] yeah. [00:04:21] Brett: [00:04:21] to my stomach. Uh, so I lost sleep for a couple of nights before we had to put him down. And then the grief like kept me awake. I would think like, all I’d want to do would be to sleep, but I just couldn’t. [00:04:36] I just had like waking dreams about the whole situation and it was, [00:04:41] Christina: [00:04:41] Hmm. [00:04:42]Brett: [00:04:42] there’s a book called tear soup that Mike Rose sent to me, uh, when I lost my dog, Emma, And I don’t know if you’ve ever seen this book, but it’s about it. It’s this kind of metaphorical soup that this old woman makes after suffering [00:05:00] a major loss and she fills it with tears and memories. [00:05:04] And it is the ultimate book for people who are grieving about anything, because it talks about how, like, no one can go through this with you. And a lot of people will. Try to be sympathetic. And then a lot of people won’t know how to deal with someone who is grieving and it kind of covers all of these bases that you’re going to go through. I highly recommend it. I’m going to add it to the show notes because it’s, it was the best thing that, uh, anyone offered me through the whole grieving process. [00:05:41] Christina: [00:05:41] No, I that’s, that’s really good to know about that. I’m, I’m, I’m one of those people who like, I can be there for people that I can talk to that I can listen, but I, I, you know, I struggle because like my instinct is to want to try to be helpful and there’s nothing helpful you can really do [00:06:00] except maybe do what micros did, which has offered really good books. [00:06:03] Um, My mom though. It’s like, you know, one of the things that she did for years and years and years was she would run grief groups, you know, for, for kids, you know, and she was a school counselor, a school psychologist. And so, uh, she’s actually like really good at that. Um, and you know, in that case, you know, you’re talking about like elementary school kids, who’ve lost a sibling or a parent, or, you know, maybe, maybe like a close new grandparent or something. [00:06:31] Um, but. Yeah. It’s it’s you do, you always like struggle with that thing. So I thank you for mentioning that book and I’m, I’m just so sorry this happened. How has L doing? I bet. [00:06:46] Brett: [00:06:46] She, she, she shows on the outside more, um, the grief. And I’ve learned through this, that the best thing you can say too, and I can’t say this is true for everyone, but the [00:07:00] best thing you could say to either of us is just to say that sucks. Like you can say, you’re sorry, you can offer your own personal stories, but all we really need to hear is that that fucking [00:07:10] Christina: [00:07:10] this is absolutely no. And it does, it does fucking suck. Like it’s yeah, it’s shitty. [00:07:17] Brett: [00:07:17] I was in. When I was in middle school, both of my grandfathers died on the exact same day. Uh, and the same week my dog died they stuck me in a grief group that I did not take well to. Like I just, I needed to deal with that on my own. And to be honest, I started drinking around that time [00:07:38] Christina: [00:07:38] Right. [00:07:38] Brett: [00:07:38] really deal with it until I was in my twenties. [00:07:42] And then like, I dealt with that and like my friends who had died during my junkie years and it all kind of crashed in at once, but yeah, I did grief groups. Weren’t great for me. [00:07:52]Christina: [00:07:52] Yeah, no, I mean, they have to be the right person to like, I think that, that they’re not going to work for everybody. And I mean, it’s kind of the same thing with. [00:08:00] Any sort of therapy or [00:08:01] Brett: [00:08:01] Oh, for [00:08:02] Christina: [00:08:02] you need to be, you need to be in the right mindset to do it and be open to it. Not everybody is going to be. [00:08:07] And then some people are much more tuned to it than others. Like, like my mom, like is really fucking good at that. Um, but, but some people, especially, uh, I don’t mean to be disparaging of our public school systems or a private school systems, to be honest, actually I would, I would argue that our private school systems are probably worse. [00:08:26] With this regard, but you know, a lot of people who do that sort of counseling stuff at that level, usually aren’t, they’re not always the best. I’m just going to say it there. They’re not always the best, so I can see why, especially at that age for you being in middle school, that that would be like, you’d be like, yeah. [00:08:45] Brett: [00:08:45] Yeah, [00:08:46] Christina: [00:08:46] not, I’m not able to deal with this. [00:08:47] Brett: [00:08:47] like I was, I was the major, uh, ingredient there. Like I just was [00:08:53] Christina: [00:08:53] Oh, completely. [00:08:54] Brett: [00:08:54] to any of that. [00:08:55] Christina: [00:08:55] Right, right. I mean, that’s the thing. You could have the perfect person then they would still not, [00:09:00] they would still not be able to do anything because you wouldn’t be open to it, but there can be people who, you know, would maybe recognize and be like, Hey, I see that this isn’t going to be productive if you need somebody I’m here, but otherwise we’re, we’re going to, you know, we’re not going to force you to, to go to this or, or whatever, [00:09:18]Brett: [00:09:18] I feel like there’s never going to be a better segue into our better help sponsorship than [00:09:25] Christina: [00:09:25] I agree. I agree. Actually, I was just thinking that. [00:09:28] Brett: [00:09:28] Um, and normally I would say this for a little further into the episode, but this is extremely, uh, apropos. So. Um, the question you have to ask yourself is what’s getting in the way of your happiness. And for me personally, it’s a combination right now of grief, uh, being bipolar and having ADHD. [00:09:48] Uh, but I think a lot of people have something that prevents them from achieving their goals. So. There’s better help, better help is professional therapy available remotely. You fill out a [00:10:00] detailed questionnaire and they match you with a professional therapist. That’s right for you licensed in this state where you live, and then you connect in a safe and private online environment, whatever way works for you. [00:10:11] Whether it’s live calls, video calls, or just text messages. Uh, once you filled out your questionnaire, you can start communicating with your counselor and under 24 hours. And this isn’t self-help. This is professional counseling. Uh, I see a psychiatrist who takes care of my medication prescription needs, but honestly, I don’t, I don’t have access to great therapy where I live a pretty limited selection. [00:10:37] And that’s why I’m excited about this. I just filled out the questionnaire yesterday and got matched in a couple of hours. So I’ll be starting my first session today. And I’m feeling really good about it. Uh, really looking forward to. Some grief counseling, um, but better help is more affordable than traditional counseling and financial aid is [00:11:00] available in many areas. [00:11:01] Um, there are counselors who specialize in ADHD and bipolar as well as depression, stress, anger, LGBT specific matters, grief, sleeping trauma. Just about any specific need that you have, um, including grief. Grief that’s uh, yeah, that, that, that, that is that’s our segue, but, uh, anything you share is completely confidential and I want you, our listeners to start living a happier life today. [00:11:34] So as a listener or you’ll get 10% off your first month by visiting our sponsor@betterhelp.com slash overtired. Join over 1 billion people who have taken charge of their mental health. Again, that’s better help. H E L p.com/over tired. Have you ever done online counseling? [00:11:56]Christina: [00:11:56] I haven’t, but, uh, I liked that it [00:12:00] exists. Um, although like I’ve never done online. My shrink though is who’s also my psychiatrist. Like I don’t, I haven’t lived in the same state that he’s in, in a decade. So I do it over the phone. So it’s similar. [00:12:14] Brett: [00:12:14] Yeah, and, and better help offers, uh, phone-based counseling sessions. So yeah, pretty much exactly the same. [00:12:22] Christina: [00:12:22] Yeah, no. And I have to say, uh, finding somebody is oftentimes the, I think for a lot of people, the most challenging part to even figure out like, if this would be useful to you or not. And so I’m glad that things like this exist to make things more accessible, you [00:12:37] Brett: [00:12:37] Yeah, which reminds me the read is over, but I will mention that it’s super easy to switch counselors. If you have any problem with the one they match you with, it’s like you can immediately switch to someone else with no hassle at all. [00:12:51]Christina: [00:12:51] That’s really [00:12:52] Brett: [00:12:52] Yeah. That is cause, cause finding a therapist that like you see in person and then switching [00:13:00] therapists is a [00:13:01] Christina: [00:13:01] no it is. And, um, Yeah. So this is one of the, the times where I think it’s more advantageous when you can just kind of do things remotely, so to speak. Um, well, yeah, well, I look forward to seeing how that works for you, but, but also like, I, I want you to be able to talk to someone and talk about your grief, because this is, this is shitty and I’m really [00:13:25] Brett: [00:13:25] Someone who’s ready to deal with it because truly a lot of people. Myself included. I don’t deal well with other people’s grief. Like I feel for them, I’m not, um, I like I’m, I’m not callous. Like, I, I feel for you, but I don’t know how to relate to you when you’re grieving. And I get that people, people need, I need someone to talk to that isn’t, uh, like my friends who might not know how to deal with me, so [00:13:57] Christina: [00:13:57] Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, exactly. That’s, that’s sort of trying to say [00:14:00] like about my mom, like my mom is like, I think that’s one of the reasons why she went into doing what she did and she switched careers. Cause she was. So good at that. I’m, I’m not like I think of myself as an empathetic person and I’m usually good at talking to people about a lot of stuff, but there are certain things, grief being one of them where, I mean, sometimes all you can do is hold a person and just tell them you love them. [00:14:23] And you know that it sucks and, and listen, and maybe that’s what you need to do. But I guess [00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] and that’s like Ella and I like we’re, we’re both going through this together, but you have to grieve on your own. [00:14:38] Christina: [00:14:38] exactly. [00:14:38] Brett: [00:14:38] the most we can really do is commiserate and hold each other. But we can’t. Like just because I’m not crying today. Doesn’t mean she can’t and like it, we have to give each other the space to kind of do that on our own. [00:14:57] Christina: [00:14:57] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, that’s the thing too. I think that [00:15:00] compounds things is, is when you go through a shared loss, right? Like it, it makes it what, whether it’s a pet or a person or even something, um, like a job, right. Or, uh, you know, any sort of, kind of like, like shared grief moment, like that, that adds another. [00:15:20] Level of just mess to it. And so I feel for both of you, and I’m glad that you two have each other, but I also like this, this is just really shitty and I wish that I could take the pain away and, you know, wave a magic wand for you. [00:15:35]Brett: [00:15:35] Yeah, me too. So should we turn this into a tech show? [00:15:40] Christina: [00:15:40] Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so I guess, I guess that our, our, our, our, our Taylor Swift and, and depression, uh, pod, uh, she’d go into our tech show a real quick segue on the Taylor Swift front. Have you seen the, the folklore documentary live concert? [00:15:55] Brett: [00:15:55] It’s going to say there’s a double, uh, uh, I can’t remember what [00:16:00] they called it, but there’s a double record album available now for folklore, but no, I [00:16:05] Christina: [00:16:05] Yeah, yeah, [00:16:06] Brett: [00:16:06] what’d you say [00:16:07] Christina: [00:16:07] yeah, yeah. So, so what she did is it’s like a documentary thing, and this is why they’ve got the double album where they went to long pond studios, which I guess is like Aaron Dressner, who’s the he’s from the national. And he was the producer for most of the record. And they went to his, um, like he has like a farm in upstate New York and she and Jack Antonov and, um, uh, who’s one of her long time collaborators and, and Aaron Dresner all got together and they played the entire record. [00:16:38] And in, in the studio and then, um, talked about each track and for the track that has a bone of air, he was at his studio in, um, Wisconsin. And so, you know, like he came in like remotely, but. Uh, it’s pretty cool. Actually, a you get to hear her thought process about the songs, but the [00:17:00] recordings themselves are actually, it’s really interesting to hear kind of a stripped down like the album is already stripped down, but to then here, uh, and even more stripped down, you know, kind of like live performance, you know, mix of the stuff, uh, as well as seeing how, you know, they play it and, and, you know, do those things actually really highly recommended. [00:17:21] A-plus. [00:17:22] Brett: [00:17:22] I, I, I will admit that like a, like a real asshole, I have not even watched that miss Americano or whatever it is, you know? [00:17:31] Christina: [00:17:31] I know what you need to, you need to watch the miss Americana. No, she, this is my favorite thing about her. She knows how to get paid because she has, she had the Netflix thing. She got, she was on Apple and now she’s on to city. Plus I think she even had an Amazon special at one point. Like they, uh, [00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] where’s the folklore docket. [00:17:51]Christina: [00:17:51] Uh, I assume that what they’re doing and as they should is that they’re, that her people are like basically, you know, [00:18:00] doing a bidding for, and using the fact that all these services will pay big money for Taylor Swift. But, uh, but what I do appreciate at least is that even though the, the documentary is on, uh, and the live thing is, is on Disney plus the, um, Album like that the recordings themselves are on YouTube and Spotify and Apple music and all that stuff. [00:18:20] So you can like listen to the music anywhere, but if you want to watch the performances and stuff, that’s on Disney plus. [00:18:28] Brett: [00:18:28] Cool. Hey, we got Taylor Swift in for like the first time in probably three weeks. [00:18:34] Christina: [00:18:34] I know, I know I was, I was feeling bad that we hadn’t touched on her in a while, but, uh, yeah. Um, [00:18:42] Brett: [00:18:42] my friend, Frank Frank Petri sent me a link to the double album set. It was, it was good through and through, and I hadn’t followed up on it yet, but hi, [00:18:54] Christina: [00:18:54] Nice. Hi Frank. Yeah, appreciate that. I, uh, it was actually funny [00:19:00] because somebody on Twitter last week asked me, they were like, I started listening to the album. I really like it. Do you have any other recommendations for songs? You know, like. You know of hers or whatever that are in this vein. And so I wound up, uh, taking an hour out of my Workday, uh, and making a folklore mood mix, which, you know, um, was like all on the same aesthetic of the album. [00:19:22] Some of it was her tracks, but some of it was like from other artists and stuff. And I have to say really, really good fall winter kind of gloomy, like playlist. Like I haven’t made like. A good playlist in a while. I’ll, uh, if people want, I’ll have the links in the show notes for, uh, Apple music and for Spotify. [00:19:41] But, uh, I was actually really pleased with it. I was like, actually, I kind of nailed this. This is good. [00:19:46] Brett: [00:19:46] Manually make it first Spotify and Apple music. [00:19:50] Christina: [00:19:50] I did. [00:19:51] Brett: [00:19:51] Okay. Cause there are services. That’ll [00:19:53] Christina: [00:19:53] There are [00:19:54] Brett: [00:19:54] but they keep breaking like every time a good one comes out, it eventually breaks. [00:19:59] Christina: [00:19:59] exactly. And [00:20:00] Spotify, they re they, they. Ended up reversing course on this, but they actually banned some of the apps that were doing those things from use theory, API, and then they came out. [00:20:11]Because playlisting is now, I guess what they see as their secret sauce. And so I do understand the point where they’re like, Hey, we don’t want people to take RapCaviar and convert that into something they can listen to on another like service, even though it’s a commodity. Right. And even though it’s XML files, right? [00:20:29] Like we all know what this is, but, um, I don’t know the, the backlash they reneged, but, um, It was easier for me to be totally honest, to just recreate it. I just had like my iPad, cause also the, the, the reality was it was like, uh, it was like the day before Thanksgiving and I didn’t want to grab my laptop and bother. [00:20:51] So I just had like my iPhone in one hand and like my iPad on the other. And I just like, you know, manually did it. It was like 40 [00:21:00] songs. So, you know, [00:21:01] Brett: [00:21:01] It’s a long playlist. [00:21:03] Christina: [00:21:03] I know, I know, but I kept like finding it’s a good playlist. Uh, it’s very much in the mood. It’s, we’ll, we’ll have links to that, but, um, [00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] it out too. [00:21:11] Christina: [00:21:11] okay. So we’ve got Taylor Swift covered. [00:21:13] Now we are also, you know, a Mac fandom, uh, podcast. Uh, let’s talk about some, uh, some Mac news, uh, AWS, uh, has a, you see two instances running back on now? [00:21:26] Brett: [00:21:26] Yeah, which, uh, uh, personally I think that’s great. Like, especially if I can, uh, load up any, uh, version of the S and allow for, for anyone who doesn’t know what this means, it basically means you can spin up a cloud computer, uh, on a Mac. So, uh, this has always been problematic because of the way Apple hardware is tied so closely to Apple software. [00:21:52] If you wanted to develop for a Mac, you kind of had to have a Mac. So you could, you could use ECE two for everything, [00:22:00] except for developing a Mac. So now they’ve added some Intel max that they, they say they’re going to update to soon. Um, but yeah, if I can say test on three different versions of the operating system, that would be way better than, than having multiple test machines with multiple partitions. [00:22:22] And, uh, yeah, I would dig it. [00:22:26] Christina: [00:22:26] yeah. Yeah. The, there are some caveats and there are some things that, that make me kind of laugh and they do make me question, I think, how useful this will be. I think that for your build testing stuff, stuff like, uh, Azure pipelines, um, there is some other CIC services. Um, app center is when I know that we also do at Microsoft get hub. [00:22:45] Has. They’re they’re build things. There’s some other, um, uh, like, uh, services that have, uh, Macko S runners, which basically they’re all doing the same thing where they’re running, you know, the bills, um, stuff on, you know, Mac minis. Um, the, the [00:23:00] issue with it is that because of how Apple licenses, this stuff, uh, the minimum amount of time that you have for like, um, Compute, you have to reserve as 24 hours. [00:23:12] So you have to pay for at least 24 hours. The issue is, is that it’s like a dollar an hour. And, and so if you do the math on that, that $750 a month, if you’re running 30 days, all, all uptime, uh, [00:23:28] Brett: [00:23:28] buy, you could buy your own Mac mini. [00:23:30] Christina: [00:23:30] You absolutely. Could you absolutely could. Um, if you pay three years in advance, uh, Corey Quinn, um, who’s a friend of mine and, and he, um, is, uh, uh, like an AWS, uh, billing expert. [00:23:44] He like went through all the math on this. If you pay three years in advance, they will give you a discount and it’s only $450 a month. I’m still rolling on month. I’m still kind of like, like, you know, choking, uh, I think in that case, like, If you were [00:24:00] a big enterprise and you’re somebody who’s doing tons of build minutes all the time, because the build minutes, this is where your other services who do that do add up and get pretty expensive. [00:24:09] And if you don’t want to manage, um, you know, a bunch of Macs, which a lot of people don’t want to do. Completely, if you don’t want to manage that. And also if you need certain security things, you know, uh, that Amazon is, is certified for, I think that that’s who this is targeted as unfortunately, at least right now and into this could change for people like you and I. [00:24:31] Ironically, what this has done is, is just made MacStadium, who I know you’ve used for years and years. It really just kind of makes their point for them. Um, although it doesn’t, it doesn’t like, it really does make their point for them, for people like you. And I, because it just says, Hey, um, either co-locating or, you know, straight up paying, um, you know, $50 a month, you know, or $150 a month for a Mac mini from them is the way to go. [00:24:57] That said they have their Kubernetes. [00:25:00] Uh, uh, like, uh, you know, kind of cloud private cloud thing called Orca that starts at 1500 a month. So, um, but again, when we’re talking about people who are not uni, like I, this is, I think that when I look at this offering, I’m excited that it exists, but I also look at it. [00:25:18] I’m like at first I was really excited and then I looked at the details. I was like, Oh shit, this is for Netflix. Right? Like genuinely, [00:25:25] Brett: [00:25:25] you’ve just made this a [00:25:26] Christina: [00:25:26] is for Netflix. I’m sorry, I didn’t, I didn’t mean to, but like I was, I was glad we were going to talk about this. No good. But this, this launched last night yesterday and I was super excited and I started looking into it and then I started doing the numbers and talking to Corey and, and, um, uh, my friend, Brad Fitzpatrick, uh, you know, played it out and I was just like, God damn it. [00:25:46] Like, this is not what I wanted, but. The upside is, uh, a, the reason it’s not what we want is completely 100% Apple’s fault. So that’s good for us to know. We can be mad at them cause they’re the ones who set the terms with their [00:26:00] licensed and how that stuff works. But, um, if there’s demand for this stuff, and I think this is where it gets interesting with the M one stuff. [00:26:08] If there was demand for this stuff, I see both. Amazon, you know, or other clouds potentially, you know, being willing to lower the price and doing stuff like that. Or, and, and potentially if Apple related see a market for this, there’s no reason why they wouldn’t offer something like this for developers themselves. [00:26:29] In fact, it’s, it’s always seemed kind of weird to me that they haven’t offered. This, like, since they’re not the services company, this would be a really easy kind of value add for them to say on top of their, you know, your developer account. If you pay, you know, a certain amount of money, you get a certain number of build minutes or whatever, and you can access this number of configurations and do these, you know, builds and tests like. [00:26:53] It makes sense. So I don’t know. I, at the very least, I’m glad that they’re doing it. And the whole reason they were able to do this is because [00:27:00] Apple finally, finally, finally with, with big Sur, like set out rules and, and set out like guidelines for how people can. Use and kind of resell like max in the data center. [00:27:11] And because before that has been sort of a gray area where you’ve had the Mac stadiums of the world doing it, but they’ve kind of been operating in a place where we’re like, they’re like, well, we don’t exactly know like what we are and aren’t allowed to do accept that the one rule Apple’s had, which is frustrating is that they’re like, Under no circumstances. [00:27:30] Can you slice these things up and sell them and smaller instances it’s, it’s a all or nothing play, but I do hope that at some point they are willing to, um, come down on the, the residency requirement and or tenancy requirement. Sorry. Uh, and it’d be like, Hey, your tenant doesn’t need to be 24 hours long because that’s what kills it. [00:27:52] Cause I think for a lot of people, if you could pay by the hour, that would, that would be like a game [00:27:57] Brett: [00:27:57] Yeah. That’s the thing I think of [00:28:00] AWS as pretty dirt, cheap computing. Uh, so this kind of requirement, definitely, uh, nix is any cost savings you would have, like, honestly, like it just sounds like I’d be better off buying extra Mac minis. [00:28:18] Christina: [00:28:18] Yeah. You would, you would, um, if you have the wherewithal to be able to manage it and do that stuff yourself, you absolutely would, [00:28:24] Brett: [00:28:24] I have two on my shelf right now, 2012 Mac minis, but they still work. [00:28:29] Christina: [00:28:29] Hey, as long as they still work. Right. But, um, [00:28:32] Brett: [00:28:32] of Ram in each one. They do. All right. [00:28:35] Christina: [00:28:35] Yeah, no. I mean, honestly though, those are, those are good machines. Um, it was funny, uh, uh, Andy and Arco last night on Twitter, like he was posting a picture. He was like, yes, I too, him, uh, you know, one of those power users you see in your threads of grading, his 2012 Mac mini with 16 gigs of Ram, I was like, I was like, yes, yes. [00:28:55] I love this Andy. So. [00:28:57] Brett: [00:28:57] to do that. Now you can buy the, [00:29:00] the, the new, the Ram modules for like 30 bucks. So. [00:29:04]Christina: [00:29:04] Yeah, this was just good. Yeah. So, sorry to be a bummer on the, on the AWS Mac front, but I know, but I do actually think that it’s good that we see it, and I’m hoping that, um, like we, that. This will maybe open up some other opportunities. I don’t know. We’ll see. I’m just excited to see them do. And I have to give, even though like, and we don’t really see disclosures on this podcast because people know, but I clearly work for a direct competitor of AWS. [00:29:35] Uh, but I have absolutely no problem, like game respects game. And, and I I’m excited like as a user and a person who, um, Knows and cares way more about cloud computing than I ever thought I would. Uh, like didn’t ever think that would be my life. I’m like, actually I’m pretty, I’m pretty excited to see that this is something that, um, is at least an option. [00:29:58] Cause I think that it’s really [00:30:00] good. Um, on that segue, let’s talk about some, like some big syrups that you love. [00:30:06] Brett: [00:30:06] um, yeah, so. Anyone who any Mac power user, whether self-proclaimed, or otherwise has probably heard of bartender. Um, if you run enough utility apps on your Mac, your menu bar gets like completely overcrowded and bartender helps like, um, hide. [00:30:29] Christina: [00:30:29] make it hide up, make it [00:30:31] Brett: [00:30:31] Yeah. So you have, you get like two, two menu bars, basically one for your, the stuff you actually need in your menu bar, and one for overflow. [00:30:41] And it can do cool things like, uh, in the CA like Dropbox, anytime an icon updates, uh, with like a Badger or whatever, you can have it display temporarily and then disappear again. Um, but for a while there on, on Catalina, And maybe even back [00:31:00] to what was before Catalina, Mojave. I think it started with Mojave. [00:31:05] Um, uh, it got really slow, like switching between the menu bars took like three, four seconds and it was, it was annoying. Um, if not more, but then bartender four came out and I’ve only used it on big Sur. I don’t know how it runs on Catalina, but. It is super fast. Uh, it can do, it can be the thing where it replaces what’s in the menu bar or expands in the menu bar, or it can have the separate, like floating bar underneath it with the overflow stuff. [00:31:38] And it is super fast and super easy to configure. And I am, um, I’m blown away that an app that I was so in love with, to begin with has gotten so much better. [00:31:50]Christina: [00:31:50] I love that. I love that. And I haven’t used big Sur yet because I am afraid. But, um, this is the sort of [00:32:00] stuff that I hear about that like would make me want to make the upgrade. So, because I love bartender, like you I’ve been using it for. God, I don’t even know how many years. Um, but, uh, I love it. [00:32:11] Actually. It’s funny, you mentioned a bartender because it reminds me in some ways, did you hear the news about growl? So they have officially retired. The growl project growl is [00:32:21] Brett: [00:32:21] notifications completely replaced it. [00:32:24] Christina: [00:32:24] come completely did. Right. But, um, 17 years, hell of a run. Um, and, and they’ve encouraged people, you know, like it’ll continue to run, but like for they’re, they’re not updating it for big stir. [00:32:35] And, and honestly, it hasn’t even, I haven’t even been able to get it to reliably install and a couple of years, to be honest, I used to use it for everything. I used to script custom stuff with it. Um, but most apps have, have dropped support for it. And I’ve just used notification center, which makes sense. [00:32:51] But it reminds me of bartender in the sense that like, No bartender is also one of those like really nice Mac utilities [00:33:00] that just gets out of your way and makes the experience better. And, um, just shout out to the, to the bar, to the ground, team, us, to the bartender dev for sure, but also shout out to the grounds team, because that was one of those apps that when I became, you know, like a full-time Mac user was one of those things that made me fall in love with the Mac. [00:33:19] Like it was. That that, and ironically is some of the same members all worked on like, you know, ADM and, and, um, uh, Parian and growl. And I think back about that kind of time in the max, like life cycle, and I’m like, yeah, This was like peak good. Like part of it might be nostalgic, but I also think that it’s also like, genuinely like those like, like peak Mack era of, you know, maca West stuff. [00:33:49] Uh, Baca was 10 anyway, um, of, of development. So, [00:33:53] Brett: [00:33:53] I’ll admit [00:33:54] Christina: [00:33:54] but yeah, [00:33:55] Brett: [00:33:55] use ADM. [00:33:56]Christina: [00:33:56] I would, if I had any contacts [00:33:59] Brett: [00:33:59] Yeah, I [00:34:00] use it. [00:34:00] Christina: [00:34:00] XMPP, [00:34:01] Brett: [00:34:01] I use it for IRC. Um, I haven’t run colloquy or colloquy colloquy [00:34:07] Christina: [00:34:07] Yeah, yeah. I, for years, yeah, I have, I haven’t either. I’ve used textile, uh, best the one I’ve used for many [00:34:15] Brett: [00:34:15] Yeah. Never got into the text-based IRC clients and I don’t know why, because it makes perfect sense. [00:34:21]Christina: [00:34:21] Well, the one that I it’s called textual, sorry. Yeah, no, sorry. The one I was talking about, it’s called textual and it’s a really good gooey and it’s it’s. Uh, it’s actually really pretty. It’s been in the Mac app store for forever. And that’s the one that I’ve used is it it’s called textual. And that. [00:34:37] Brett: [00:34:37] was a text-based one. [00:34:39] Christina: [00:34:39] Um, no, I mean, it is text-based in the sense that like it’s, you know, right, right, exactly. [00:34:44] But no, but a bit, it’s got a really nice looking gooey and, um, and they continue to, you know, to update it. It has dark mode support and you know, all that kind of stuff. It’s, it’s, it’s actually really nice. I have to, I give them credit for that, um, uh, that they, they, they are [00:35:00] continuing to, um, develop it and updated and stuff, which is really nice. [00:35:05] Um, But, yeah. I’m if I used IRC more, I could see myself still using ADM. I don’t know. I miss ADM sometimes though, like it was just, I loved the themes. I loved having that back when chat was all open standards, instead of being federated into all these different things, which. Is the shitty part. If I can be totally honest about the modern world we live in is that we literally did have interoperable chat standards. [00:35:32] Cause nothing is new or unique about the way we chat now. Nothing like it, like, like we’ve added nothing to the ability of this, except that you can add files more easily. Right. And that you can maybe that’s basically it. Right? Cause there’s nothing like. Demonstrably different or new about teams or Slack or, you know, uh, matter most or, or, or discord or whatever. [00:35:56] Um, then our other solutions like discord, at [00:36:00] least ads, voice chat, but like everything else is the same. All that we’ve done is we’ve replaced our instant messaging stuff, you know, uh, or campfire. Right. Which we, we still up, all we’ve done is we’ve replaced. We’ve replaced, you know, that’s who we used to have interoperable standards with. [00:36:15] So you can at least have. You know, an Omni client with just a bunch of electron apps where you have to run like four instances of, of, of, of a web browser so that you can, uh, access all your different shaft things. But I digress and I’m not salty about it or anything, uh, that, that we’ve, that we’ve as a society could completely regressed, but, uh, yeah. [00:36:41] Brett: [00:36:41] Yeah, I don’t have a segue for this, but I’m gonna, I’m gonna fit our other sponsor in here. Um, and then I do actually have a segue to the next topic, but it’s gonna, it’s not gonna work now because we’re going to talk about ritual. [00:36:56]Christina: [00:36:56] yeah, we’re going to talk about ritual. [00:36:58] Brett: [00:36:58] This episode [00:36:59] Christina: [00:36:59] about some [00:37:00] vitamins. [00:37:00] Brett: [00:37:00] what. [00:37:01]Christina: [00:37:01] I was like, so soft spots and vitamins. [00:37:03] Brett: [00:37:03] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this episode is brought to you by ritual. [00:37:07] If you’re looking for a multivitamin that will fill the gaps in your diet, ritual is perfect. It’s vegan, non-GMO gluten and allergen-free and provides, excuse me, nutrients that cover all the bases. I don’t know about you, but the holiday season tends to be a bit stressful for me and I need all the nutrition I can get. [00:37:26] Um, rituals, multivitamins have no sugars, synthetic fillers or artificial colorant. All of its ingredients are transparently sourced all the way through and all of the nutrients come in. Bioavailable forms that your body can actually utilize. Ritual is scientifically developed to help support different life stages. [00:37:45] I’m taking the formula for men, but there are also formulations for teens prenatal and one just for women, which I know Christina has been taking. How’s that going? [00:37:55] Christina: [00:37:55] it’s good. Well, I mean, I, I haven’t taken a multivitamin, which, you know, [00:38:00] my doctors and my mom, mostly my mom has been like on me to take for a really long time. And, um, it’s been really nice actually, you know, taking a multivitamin every day. Um, [00:38:11] Brett: [00:38:11] do you love the mint smell? [00:38:14] Christina: [00:38:14] I do like the mint smell. [00:38:15] It’s nice. [00:38:15] Brett: [00:38:15] put a, like a mint bar into every bottle and I, I, I I’m addicted to the smell of it. [00:38:23]Christina: [00:38:23] Yeah, no, it’s nice. It’s nice. And, uh, I, it doesn’t taste bad. Like it doesn’t have a weird, like aftertaste thing, like some, you know, like multivitamins do, which is one of the reasons why, like, you know, you still always Mike cause my mom growing up, I used to always take them and I’d be like, Oh, these are like horse pills. [00:38:38] And it’s not like that experience, which I really [00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] Yeah, they’re, they’re nice small pills and they’re cool looking too with like liquid and stuff floating in them. It’s part of the whole bioavailable nutrients thing. Um, my formula, the men formula has 10 nutrients in it, including the vitamin E and the D that my psychiatrist recommends. Uh, and I’ve gone from [00:39:00] taking four different supplements every morning to just taking two ritual vitamins, along with my meds, uh, and their delayed release formula. [00:39:08] It means I can take them without a meal, which is great while I’m here doing intermittent fasting. Uh, and you deserve to know what’s in your multivitamin. That’s why ritual is offering our listeners 10% off during your first three months. Visit ritual.com/overtired to start your ritual today. [00:39:28]Christina: [00:39:28] Woo. [00:39:29] Brett: [00:39:29] Um, I, I’m not good at conversational ad reads. Like if I’m reading, it’s gonna sound like I’m like Trump in that way, you can tell when I’m reading. And even if I write it out so that it’s supposed to sound conversational, it still sounds like I’m reading. So I, I, these might be more effective if I were more conversational. So let’s, let’s pretend I’m being conversational because we love sponsors and, and, and ritual [00:40:00] is great. [00:40:01]Christina: [00:40:01] We appreciate them. Yeah, no, you’re no similar to Roche for you’re getting better. I think it comes with practice. Uh, Simone, who I do rocket with is like hands down the best person at ad reads ever. She’s just hilarious. And we’ll come up with the most like bizarre, but funny like ways of doing the reads and, uh, On our 300th episode of rocket, um, uh, we actually learned that there was a sponsor we had at one point where they like loved the reeds, but, but, uh, um, I th I think it was my curly who told us, like, yeah, we did hear back from a sponsor one time that they’re like, we love, we love the ad read, but maybe in the future, could you not? [00:40:39] It was for a mattress. They were like, could you not like, talk about jumping out the window? Onto the mattress. Like don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t don’t encourage that sort of thing. And he was telling us this and like, none of us remembered it, but we were like, yeah, that sounds like when a Simone’s, uh, awesome. [00:40:56]Brett: [00:40:56] Uh, back when systematic was on five by [00:41:00] five, uh, were overtired used to be as well. Um, uh, we’d get our reads from Dan and they would, uh, I, as far as I knew at the time, uh, we were supposed to read them verbatim and I, it always felt weird to me to do a commercial. Uh, that wasn’t supposed to sound like a commercial, so I would actually record them in post. [00:41:24] Uh, do I, uh, for a couple of them, I, I did a, a Barry white thing where I pitched, shifted my voice down and added like music behind it, like bound, Chica bound music. [00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] Oh, that’s fantastic. [00:41:38] Brett: [00:41:38] told those were actually fairly effective. Um, [00:41:41] Christina: [00:41:41] I bet [00:41:42] Brett: [00:41:42] I’m not [00:41:42] Christina: [00:41:42] that’d be people like [00:41:43] Brett: [00:41:43] do that to this, [00:41:44] Christina: [00:41:44] No, no. I mean, I think also people know you expect one of two types of batteries in your podcast. Now you either expect it to be dynamically inserted. Um, which is awesome if that happens. Or like if, if, if your podcast is doing well enough [00:42:00] that you can get the dynamically inserted as well. [00:42:02] Uh, ads, um, uh, and listeners, if you hear those on your podcast, I understand being annoyed, but also if it’s a smaller podcast, especially be happy for them, because that means that like they’re doing really well, if that’s what they’re getting to do. So you hear like the, the dynamically inserted, like prerecorded things, or you have, you know, what we’ve do, which is our, our live reads. [00:42:22] Um, and, uh, and sometimes you do have people who will, you know, record and then insert, you know, their own reads and whatnot. But, um, It’s interesting how podcast advertising has evolved, but that’s a, that’s a whole other topic for another time that I don’t think our listeners care that much about [00:42:40] Brett: [00:42:40] So let’s pretend we’re talking about, uh, like text-based chat and things like that. And let’s pretend that I just came up with a brilliant segue to the idea posted by one Christina Warren. four stories and windows terminal. [00:42:59] Christina: [00:42:59] Yes, [00:43:00] [00:43:00] Brett: [00:43:00] to read this. Just read it out loud. Should I [00:43:04] Christina: [00:43:04] I think he [00:43:05] Brett: [00:43:05] let me load it back up here? This is it’s worth hearing. It’s. This is, this was posted w w you want to say like two in the morning? [00:43:13]Christina: [00:43:13] warning. I, I posted this as an official feature requests on the windows terminal, uh, get hub repository, uh, like this was an official feature request that I formed that I filled out. [00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] All right. So imagine you’re, you’re reading, you’re reading through the feature requests. Most of which are are serious and you come up with one titled, add a stories, feature to windows terminal. Stories are the new hotness, Snapchat invented stories, but the paradigm of ephemeral updates has since been adopted by Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and most recently, Spotify there’s even a vs code extension that adds this feature, which was surprising to me. [00:43:53] Um, why should LinkedIn get all the fun windows? Terminal might be a singular experience, but with user [00:44:00] profiles, is it really? But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t create an a from a femoral social layer into it. Windows terminal stories could be in just form, get hub or scripts in your favorite shell language, PW or bash or Z shell Zishe into club. [00:44:17] We all fam into club. We all fam this is, this is like a kids speak that I don’t understand, but [00:44:25] Christina: [00:44:25] That was a, that was a broad city reference. Sorry, go [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] okay. That could also be print screens of your favorite current terminal session. Because who does, who doesn’t want to show off their latest Neo fetch, wind fish, ASCII art as a long-term goal, there could even be a way to share a just slash link in your config file to share your specific terminal preferences and font color information. [00:44:48] That actually seems like all the Git requests, [00:44:51] Christina: [00:44:51] I, I actually, actually I agree. And ironically, that was the one thing that they kind of took from this they’re like, yeah, that’s actually a good idea. [00:44:58] Brett: [00:44:58] It goes on with [00:45:00] proposed technical implementation details, just to really sell the idea that straight face that it was an actual, uh, feature request. So how did this go? [00:45:12]Christina: [00:45:12] Well, um, the initial response was incredibly positive. Everybody was completely on board and absolutely agrees with me that we should absolutely add stories to windows terminal, because you totally want to have a web server layer and a social layer in your terminal. Like that’s exactly what everybody needs. [00:45:31] We need to social and game-ify everything like [00:45:34] Brett: [00:45:34] and everyone’s being straight faced. [00:45:36] Christina: [00:45:36] Everybody. Yeah, everybody’s straight face. Everybody was like, I want this. I mean, it was like, it was, it was immediately uploaded, got tons and tons of likes, tons of plus ones. It was, it went over really, really well. Uh, and then, um, you know, a few hours later, uh, the team comes in and wakes up to this and they were like, Okay. [00:45:56] Uh, we’ve all had a good laugh. These are some [00:46:00] problems I see with this. Ironically, the one feature that both you and I thought they were like, that’s actually a good idea about being able to share your, your session and whatnot. They’re like, okay, this is actually good. And we’ve talked about. A way to do this before, but this actually is a good idea. [00:46:14] Uh, but, but this, this maybe doesn’t seem like a good feature, but then they assigned it to, um, uh, the PM who it’s her fault that all this happened, because she dared me to do it on Twitter and didn’t think that I would actually do this. Um, and, and then, um, and, and, and she ended up, you know, like declining me, like. [00:46:32]You know, I love the idea, great issue. I don’t think this is a place for this. The conversation continued and then somewhere around the 18 hour Mark, um, people started to not understand that this was a joke and started. [00:46:47] Brett: [00:46:47] to me, but [00:46:49] Christina: [00:46:49] I agree. No, I, 100% agree. I mean, like I thought that I was pretty, like, I wrote it straight face, but I thought that like, if you read it, like you, you understand that I’m not actually being serious. [00:47:00] [00:47:00] Uh, and you know what I mean? Like I, you know, I obviously wrote it like in a, you know, completely. You know, like the, the whole concert was to make it seem realistic, but, but obviously it’s not, but people clearly did not seem to get that this was not a real thing. And in fact, I even had people on Twitter who were like coming at me and were like getting really angry. [00:47:21] And I was like, it’s a joke. Uh, and then it got, you know, and then, then people seem to think it was funny again. And then it shifted and went real, like. Where people just got like a mad, like, angry, and we’re like, this is why, you know, Microsoft has so many problems and how did she get her job? And, uh, I was actually a little bit upset that the, the, uh, whole thing was, was locked because I want us to respond to that guy and be like, I got my job cause I’m really fucking good at my job. [00:47:52] Actually, I got my job because of shit like this, to be totally honest, I work in developer relations and this is why like, I’m good at what I do [00:48:00] because of [00:48:00] Brett: [00:48:00] of humor to do this [00:48:01] Christina: [00:48:01] Exactly. You have to have a sense of humor and it’s funny and like developers enjoyed it. And I got something out of it. Like, you know what I mean? [00:48:07] Like this is called engagement. And also I’m like, I’m, I’m really good at what I do actually. Like it’s funny. Cause, um, especially when I first switched careers, there was a time when I had like definite inferiority complex and like imposter syndrome. And I still do to some extent, but I’m way more confident and comfortable and I’m like, no, I deserve to be here every bit, as much as you know, Anybody else on my team. [00:48:30] And I’m, I’m really good at what I do. Uh, but, um, I have to give the windows terminal team credit. Cause at that point, once it started getting nasty, which, you know, fuck that guy, but also lull. Um, one of the, the, the, the, the engineer who had originally responded to the issue, he was like, all right, I’m going to lock this. [00:48:47] And he defended me. And he was like, actually, you know, I thought we could all enjoy, you know, a nice humorous thread, but I guess not. And, and, uh, you know, w w you know, stood up for me as like a colleague and was like, you [00:49:00] know, maybe some people like their colleagues have a sense of humor, um, which clearly some of you lack, but, um, yeah, that was, that was a fun and, uh, sort of disappointing into the 24 hour experiment. [00:49:11] But, um, I, as I told him, uh, in a teams, I was like, I gotta be honest. It, it. Like lasted longer than I thought that way before it blew up to be totally honest. [00:49:23] Brett: [00:49:23] like they just locked it two hours ago. [00:49:25] Christina: [00:49:25] Yeah, exactly. They just locked it like this morning and it took a while. So it actually like took longer than I thought that it would for it to go to hell because you know, the internet. [00:49:34] But, uh, yeah. Um, I had, I was thinking about us in our show cause I was like, you know, I trolled, um, you know, the, the, um, the gimp people last week. And I was like, now I’m trolling the windows, terminal people, but I do have [00:49:47] Brett: [00:49:47] to have a shit posting corner of the show now. [00:49:50] Christina: [00:49:50] really are. We are going to have a shit posting corner of the show, but the thing is, is that like, I love the windows terminal so much. [00:49:55] It’s actually one of my very favorite projects. Like I love it, love it, love it. And, [00:50:00] um, and I appreciate that they had like such a good sense of humor about the whole thing. Um, also I do actually think that that sharing of config thing is a good idea. [00:50:11]Brett: [00:50:11] I would love to maybe next episode, you can tell me why you love windows terminal. Cause I haven’t used it. Like, I’m a huge fan of terminal apps in general. I would love to hear what’s special about windows terminal. [00:50:23] Christina: [00:50:23] Yeah, no, no, we’ll we’ll, we’ll talk about it. Next episode. The, the sh the TLDR, they’ll just say what your appetite they’ll say is that when they created it, Their goal was to be, I term too, but for windows like that is their watermark. That’s their watermark. Exactly. I knew you would. And that’s the thing like that. [00:50:43] And, you know, um, it might not be there they’re completely, but like that’s what the team’s like personal benchmark [00:50:50] Brett: [00:50:50] Even if it was I term too, from like three years ago [00:50:55] Christina: [00:50:55] right, [00:50:56] Brett: [00:50:56] before they went crazy with new features and I term, [00:51:00] [00:51:00] Christina: [00:51:00] right. [00:51:00] Brett: [00:51:00] it have a team of X mode? [00:51:03] Christina: [00:51:03] It [00:51:03] Brett: [00:51:03] Oh, that’s amazing. [00:51:04]Christina: [00:51:04] Uh, and, and it, it can, it works with multiple shells and, and, um, it’s really good. We’ll talk about it, um, next episode, but, but, um, cause cause if you have to, if you ever have to use windows, like you would actually really enjoy it and um, it’s open source, you know, they’re, they’re developing it in the open with the community and um, I really respect like the work that the team has done on that. [00:51:28] And. They’re they’re really nice people. So I, uh, I appreciated them, you know, like letting me, letting me troll them, uh, and, and having a good humor about it. The, the, some of, some of the CUNY people, maybe not as much, but no, they had like really, really good humor about it, which was nice. Um, and, uh, but I have to also say like, especially for 2:00 AM, I was like, this is pretty funny. [00:51:51] This is a pretty good, pretty good issue. [00:51:53]Brett: [00:51:53] So the last topic on our list that I want to hit before we run out of time, because it [00:52:00] won’t be relevant. Next week. Hopefully it won’t be relevant next week is this press conference that Rudy [00:52:08] Christina: [00:52:08] Oh my God. [00:52:09] Brett: [00:52:09] where he, he brought in a quote unquote witness or like a whistleblower to talk about how dominion voting systems which were used in sub several of the battleground States were actually, uh, an invention of Hugo Chavez. [00:52:27] And, uh, like their claim was that dominion was owned by smart MADEC, which was created, uh, in, in Spain, uh, in like 2012 or whatever. And, uh, which is, you know, like Chavez has been dead since 2013, so it’s almost irrelevant. But anyway, like the point of me bringing this up is the entire premise is faulty [00:53:00] because smart MADEC and dominion are competitors and have never shared hardware or software. [00:53:05] Christina: [00:53:05] Right, right. I’m actually of the opinion that I have a lot of problems actually with, um, you know, electronic voting systems in general. And I don’t like how the black boxes exist. And, and I think that there is not in this case at all, because I think that the election was completely fair and that all the auditing proves that. [00:53:22] But I think you can have a conversation about how the system works systems work and ended that is. A conversation that is worth having. And in fact, the, the head of, you know, um, you know, cyber security or whatever, the guy that, that Trump fired and that then one of his cronies says should be drawn and quartered and [00:53:42] Brett: [00:53:42] it right. [00:53:43] Christina: [00:53:43] Like that guy even said that like paper balances, you know, the key to, you know, fair elections and he’s, I think completely right. But the, the fact that. You know, the way that that Rudy would go about this is to conflate these two [00:54:00] competitors who don’t share anything and like are actively going after the same, you know, contracts is just, I mean, it’s just so good. [00:54:10] It’s it’s [00:54:11] Brett: [00:54:11] it’s infuriating. Yeah. [00:54:13] Christina: [00:54:13] It is it’s it’s hilarious. Yeah, no, I mean also, uh, did you see, and I don’t even know how many weeks ago this was, but the one press conference he had where like the hair dye or whatever he had was dripping down his face, [00:54:25]Brett: [00:54:25] We brought on that, that lawyer that they since distanced themselves from, that originated this conspiracy theory. [00:54:33] Christina: [00:54:33] Yes. Well, this is the thing, right? Like they, they, they distance themselves from her because she went to off the deep end. They’re like, okay, this is actually hurting us, but yet they’re still repeating all of her stuff. And then, and then yesterday, um, uh, Monday as we’re recording this, there was some sort of bat shit hearing in Arizona. [00:54:54] Like one of their state assemblies or whatever, where one of their guys, [00:55:00] you know, again, presented bat shit, insane things. And Rudy Giuliani was asking questions and you have these elected officials in Maricopa County and places like that who were just straight up shills, who are like, you know, it it’s under the guise of it being some sort of official business, but it’s, it’s clearly not. [00:55:18] And I was just, I was watching part of the. The quote-unquote hearing, cause it’s not a real hearing. And, and I was just like, is how was this not a farce? Like how, how is, how is this actual real life? I mean, [00:55:33] Brett: [00:55:33] there should be a perjury charges. If you’re going to have a public hearing and what they do it like a Hyatt. [00:55:40]Christina: [00:55:40] yeah, [00:55:41] Brett: [00:55:41] should be some kind of accountability because they take these same charges into courtrooms and they just get laughed out yet. They have these conference, these like basically they’re news conferences where they try to make this seem official and legal. [00:55:56] And it’s, it’s not at all. They have [00:56:00] zero evidence to back. These claims up [00:56:02] Christina: [00:56:02] Zero zero. [00:56:03] Brett: [00:56:03] some accountability for that. [00:56:06] Christina: [00:56:06] I agree. And I mean, I have appreciated that the media for the most part has completely ignored. You know, this they’re not broadcasting these things except maybe showing like the, the meme highlights, um, except for, you know, like you’re completely unhinged media, like Newsmax and OAN and, and places like that, that I, you know, don’t count. [00:56:26] But the, the problematic thing to me, more than. Like cause okay. Fox news, you know, this is my favorite thing of the conservatives are all now mad at Fox news. Uh, which is hilarious. Uh, cause they’re like, Oh, you’re, you’re, you’re you’re not backing up these insane theories. And it’s like, no, they’re, they’re not exactly unless you’re you’re right. [00:56:47] Unless you’re Maria Bartiromo who fuck her. But like, uh, I mean, I never liked her seriously. I look. I’m just going to go on a rant here. I never liked her ever. Um, she was on CNBC [00:57:00] forever. She was like kind of the face of that. And I never liked her and Erin Burnett, who I always really liked and looked up to came on the scene and was like the younger, better, more competent version of Maria Bartiromo and Maria like could not stand Erin Burnett and you know, really like. [00:57:18] Actively like made, like, it was not like it was, there was like intense rivalry. And, um, when Aaron left and got her CNN show, like clearly she won. Right. Cause she has a prime time CNN show and, and, and, and, and Maria wound up having to leave to go to. Fricking Fox business. And I say this, I should add as someone who has appeared on the Fox business network probably a hundred times. [00:57:45] Uh, and I’m not like that’s not a flax is all I’m saying like that, that that’s like, nobody should be like, like, Oh, I’m on Fox business. Who cares? [00:57:54] Brett: [00:57:54] wives comments from, uh, from the Fox business dressing room. [00:58:00] [00:58:00] Christina: [00:58:00] Oh completely. Yeah. No, no joke. Yeah. Well, I got, I really liked the, um, The makeup and the hair people, but that was it. Uh, also like that’s the only place that you’d ever see people of color on Fox. Uh, it was, was, you know, makeup and hair people, but I really liked them, but the rest of the people, but, uh, yeah, but other than, um, like, but Berta, Roma was always been terrible and now people are finally coming around to they’re like, Oh, but she used to be so good. [00:58:24] I was like, no, during the financial crisis, no, she wasn’t like during the financial crisis, this was when she really like, this is when Arab Annette really kicked her ass. Cause Erin Burnett was an actual, like. Analysts and had worked at Goldman Sachs and actually knew what she was talking about. And wasn’t like a shill for the banks. [00:58:41] And, you know, wasn’t married to a billionaire hedge fund guy and, uh, was, was good at her job. Whereas Burr Romo, like the economy is literally collapsing and she’s just like defending and carrying water for all the banks and shit. And I’m like, you fucking like. Fuck you do like you’re, you’re, you’re awful. [00:59:00] [00:58:59] Uh, and, uh, so, so seeing, seeing her come up and so it’s been fun, but the it’s just insane to me that, that like, um, so here’s what I was gonna say. I’m, I’m happy the mainstream media isn’t covering this, but I am slightly concerned because I go to YouTube and they’ll do these live streams of stuff. Like, I’ll see people who are carrying those streams and there will be like, Tens of thousands of people tuning into these, like right-wing super, super, super like off the rails channels. [00:59:32] And, uh, we all focus on Newsmax and Oceana is like, yeah, that’s not where the eyeballs are. Like, it’s actually. Steven Crowder. And some of these other things where you have a lot more people who it’s like a much bigger audience and they’re not even on the damn radar. And they’re like, that’s, that’s the concerning thing to me. [00:59:50] Like as the future of our democracy, but fingers crossed this won’t matter, as you said, because they’re going to certify all this shit and, uh, they have new [01:00:00] case. And, um, the only disappointing thing is that we’re going to have to listen to this, you know, Like giant baby with its tiny desk bleed on about how the election was rigged until the end of time. [01:00:15] And the only thing I can hope is that the mainstream media will ignore him because I feel like if they do, if they just don’t report on him, like after he’s out of office, they just straight up don’t report on him. He, he won’t ever completely go away, but he will lose his power because, [01:00:33] Brett: [01:00:33] He’ll be relegated to parlor instead of Twitter. [01:00:36] Christina: [01:00:36] Exactly. [01:00:37] That’s what I’m saying. Right. And the thing is, is that as, as much as I do worry, that like alternative forms of media are gaining bigger and bigger influence for someone [01:00:45] Brett: [01:00:45] when is OEN and Newsmax lumped in with legitimate news organizations? That’s, [01:00:50] Christina: [01:00:50] I know, I agree with you. I agree with you. The only thing though, is that. Partly one reason that they’re lumped in with it is because mainstream media, like [01:01:00] give them that credence. And if, if when Trump has gone, like here’s the thing, um, he needs and thrives on mainstream media stuff. So if the foxes and the CNNs and the MSNBC’s and whoever else is of the world, don’t cover him. [01:01:18] Again, he won’t ever completely go away, but he will be relegated to these smaller pockets and it won’t make it, it won’t make a big splash and like he needs, he needs that like mainstream, you know, New York times [01:01:31] Brett: [01:01:31] it’s very optimistic to think that he’s ever going away. [01:01:36] Christina: [01:01:36] Oh, he’s. [01:01:36] Brett: [01:01:36] Trumpism, isn’t. [01:01:38] Christina: [01:01:38] Oh, I agree with that. I know. Oh, I agree with that. And he’s not ever going away. I’m just saying like, I hope I’m and I, I’m not saying I think this will happen cause I don’t think it will. But what I would hope is that these networks would realize we no longer have. Uh, ethical obligation to cover this because he’s the president of the United States. [01:01:59] Cause [01:02:00] that was always the argument before. It’s like, even though he’s unhinged, even though this is lies, even though whatnot, like he is the president of the United States and it is by its very existence news when he does these things. But when he’s just a private citizen and like an unhinged, you know, former guy, like you don’t actually need to have. [01:02:17] A new story for every single one of his tweets. Like you don’t actually have to do that. And so I’m hoping, uh, you know, I’m not super like confident in this happening, but I’m hopeful that maybe some of those organizations and networks especially will be like, you know what, we don’t, we don’t need to do this. [01:02:36] Cause if that, if, if, if that isn’t happening, I do feel like Trumpism isn’t going away, but maybe the, the fuel will be dissipated. [01:02:46] Brett: [01:02:46] those two weeks after the election, when he just kind of CELT and didn’t have any public appearances, there was this, uh, visceral breadth of a relief. And it was like, the networks were [01:03:00] just super happy to, I’m sure it affected their ratings, but they were super happy to just not have to say anything or repeat anything that he said, or at least I felt a breath of relief. [01:03:13] Christina: [01:03:13] No I did too. I did too. And I, and I, and it actually, that’s a really good example cause it did it at that point. All of the crazy shit really did go to the fringes. And to me it’s like, okay, if that’s what you want to do fine. Um, I don’t know if you’ve read any of the interviews that the Newsmax CEO has been giving lately. [01:03:30] This guy’s a trip, so he’s a billionaire. Uh, he’s obviously like a terrible person, but he also is. Pretty honest, like when asked directly, he’s like, yeah, he has no shot in hell at winning, but he’s my friend, but, you know, whatever. But like he, he straight out says, yeah, my audience is full of morons, but I really want to make money off of them. And, and, and there’s a part of me that kind of respects that. Um, I don’t, cause I think it’s dangerous, you know, for a lot of reasons, but there’s a [01:04:00] part of me that I’m kind of like, okay. I mean, at least you’re like, [01:04:04] Brett: [01:04:04] could say the same thing. He just doesn’t say it out loud. [01:04:07] Christina: [01:04:07] Well, right. But that’s what I’m saying. This guy does actually say it out loud. He’s actually like very self-aware about the fact that he’s like, yeah, I, these people are idiots, but I’m really happy to take their money. And I’m really happy to build a business off of this. I’m like, okay. Wow. You know, I mean, like, I, I thanks for your honesty, but yeah. [01:04:28] Brett: [01:04:28] Trump, Trump selection, defense fund made millions of dollars. Most of which will go to cover his own debts. [01:04:35] Christina: [01:04:35] Yeah, [01:04:36] Brett: [01:04:36] All right. Um, [01:04:37] Christina: [01:04:37] yeah. [01:04:38] Brett: [01:04:38] will dropping in show notes, um, because we’ll probably never talk about this again, hopefully, but, uh, there was a great article in wired prior to the election on. Uh, kind of the future of voting systems. And there was a really, uh, really well thought through system that came out of a hackathon that was like [01:05:00] a blockchain based, accountable voting system that was basically unhackable, a full paper trail, full audit trail for every vote. And, and like you said, honestly, like the dominion machines, they print out paper, there’s a full paper audit available for every vote. [01:05:21] It’s, it’s a secure enough system, but this blockchain voting system actually sounded really cool. And you could go home and you could verify that your vote was cast and counted and yeah, I’ll find that article. It’ll be in the show [01:05:36] Christina: [01:05:36] Yeah. Find that. Yeah, no, that’s interesting. Cause we are going to have to, not in this context, but we are going to have to think about, you know, elect like this, this issue is not going to go away. This Pandora’s box has now been opened and I don’t think it’s actually wrong that we talk about it. And we’re obviously not the only country that’s dealing with this too. [01:05:54] And. I mean, Hey, we finally found a good use for the blockchain, Brett, like [01:05:59][01:06:00] Brett: [01:05:59] Legitimate. I mean, it’s a cool tech. It’s just been, uh, poorly. [01:06:04] Christina: [01:06:04] just, well, right. It’s just been in, in almost every other instance. It’s like, why would you not just use a database? Yes, [01:06:11] Brett: [01:06:11] Yeah. All right. Well, that was, uh, I really enjoyed this episode. [01:06:17] Christina: [01:06:17] me too. Me too. Um, uh, good, good, good [01:06:20] Brett: [01:06:20] We, we hit, we hit tech, we hit Taylor Swift. We hit depression and mental health. What an episode? This is, this is perfect. Overtired. [01:06:30] Christina: [01:06:30] Perfect overtired. All right, Brett, get some sleep, Brett.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00] Christina: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to over-tired. I’m Christina Warren. This is Brett Terpstra. How are you? Brett? [00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I am, um, it’s snowing [00:00:09] Christina: [00:00:09] It’s snowing. [00:00:10] Brett: [00:00:10] in my, in, in Southeast Minnesota. Like they had snow up in Minneapolis, but down here in the Southeast corner of Minnesota, we hadn’t really had more than a dusting, but today we’ve got three inches and I had to shovel this morning and, um, I, I’m not. It’s like almost December and I’m still not ready for snow. [00:00:31] Christina: [00:00:31] Yeah, no, I mean, so well also, and I know that we’re getting into, uh, repeating ourselves, but, um, like. It still feels like it’s March. So the fact that it’s almost December doesn’t feel right, which means that the fact that it is snowing where you are, and it’s 44 degrees here in Seattle, which is colder for us, uh, is like, that’s still kind of blew my mind and then I’m realizing, I’m like, [00:01:00] Oh yeah, I’m actually not going to be in Australia this, this year. [00:01:05] Presumably when, um, It might snow and freeze here, which is what happens well has happened the last two years in February. So [00:01:15] Brett: [00:01:15] I’m [00:01:15] Christina: [00:01:15] good luck. I mean, I’m sorry, I won’t be in Australia too, but it’ll be interesting to see that actually, no, because I want to be able to get, I won’t even really be able to see the city implode on itself with the snow and the ice because no one’s going anywhere. [00:01:29] Brett: [00:01:29] does, does Seattle Ray. I know like Atlanta, Georgia shuts down for a heavy rain, um, and snow kills them. Is Seattle the same way? [00:01:38] Christina: [00:01:38] it’s worse. [00:01:39] Brett: [00:01:39] know it doesn’t shut down for rain. That’s all it does in [00:01:41] Christina: [00:01:41] Uh, well, it doesn’t rain usually like in big buckets, but for snow. Yeah, no, it’s snow. It’s actually worse. I was not aware that any place could be worse than Atlanta, Georgia in dealing with the snow Atlanta, Georgia famously known as the place where the school buses didn’t leave in [00:02:00] time. [00:02:00] And. And kids got stranded on the buses for 12 hours and parents had to, had to trudge through like by foot to come get the kids. We were taught. We’re talking there, I think about like three and a half inches of snow, right? Like, like nothing. So in Seattle, two years ago in 2019, it was, I guess like the heaviest snow that it happened in a while and it was icy and, um, the city was just totally unprepared and we had an offsite. [00:02:29] But it was in Redmond. So it was like, uh, you know, over the, the, um, the bridge across Lake Washington and they don’t salt the sidewalks or anything. And so I was like walking from the hotel I was staying at. Yeah. I was staying at a hotel, even though it was like, literally. You know, 20 minutes away, but it was a good thing I did do that. [00:02:49] I did it because it was, it was going to be like an all week thing and coming back and going home, it’s going to be hard. And my boss let me expensive, but it wound up being a good thing because if I’d had to commute in, [00:03:00] I wouldn’t have been able to, because even walking. Because they didn’t isolate thing. [00:03:04] Like I almost slipped and fell a couple of times, like grant had to bring me my New York, snow galoshes. I’m a college student. And I think the family sued and won a lot of money as they should have sued the university of Washington, because they didn’t have any like beware of, of black ice or anything signs up. [00:03:21] And she was on campus. She was a university of Washington students. She slipped, she felt she died. Um, yeah, yeah, it was terrible. It was like genuinely awful, uh, the airport. And we got out, like, I wound up getting to spend the day at Disneyland because I had to go to Australia and they only have flights like once a day for Australia. [00:03:39] And I had to be there by a certain time. And we were worried that they were going to be canceling flights. And when I first started. I’m trying to book things like the airline. Everybody was like, eh, it’s not necessary. It’s not necessary to, to book your, so I kept my flight to Australia from Los Angeles, but I had to get to Los Angeles early. [00:03:56] And thank God I did, because this was like, I think like a Friday morning. And [00:04:00] I, I went through security around 6:00 AM and it was spine. About 15 minutes later, I started seeing tweets and lines. Apparently the security line of the airport was backed up through the parking lot. And, um, the city basically all but shut down. [00:04:16] And we’re talking again about two inches of snow. Uh, and the thing is, is that what makes no sense to me is that if you go, I don’t know, 20, 30 miles North, like you have legit like mountains and you have, you know, real, like. Mounts of snow. And I get that you can’t have a lot of plows in the cities and whatnot, but within like the Puget sound area, snow is not uncommon. [00:04:41] And so it seems weird to me that like the city and, and, and not just like the, the city of Seattle, but also Redmond and Bellevue and, and the other like suburbs or whatever were just so completely like unprepared. Um, again, like I never thought a place would be worse at snow than Atlanta, Georgia, [00:05:00] Seattle, Washington actually is. [00:05:02] So, whereas, you know, I was in New York for, for seven years in New York is not like Minnesota, but it’s like, [00:05:12] Brett: [00:05:12] it’s it’s it gets cold and snowy there. [00:05:14] Christina: [00:05:14] yeah, it snows a shitload. And, and the, you know, to the point where like the plows come out, you know what I mean? Like there, there, there are times when, I mean, usually the subway is even run. I mean, if the subway is running, that’s a whole other discussion, but like, The city doesn’t shut down. [00:05:29] It’s just like, okay, we go, we got this, you know, um, it, it’s not like, you know, like Halifax or grant used to live either, which is, you know, closer in terms of amount to like what you get in Minnesota. But yeah, it’s funny. [00:05:42] Brett: [00:05:42] yeah, we, we shut down for anything over about 20 inches. [00:05:46] Christina: [00:05:46] Right, right. Because I was going to say, cause that, that makes, that makes sense. Like, and I think, you know, uh, and the most, I think we ever gotten New York, I think we got like two and a half feet at one point, like in, in big drifts, it was, it, it was a ton. And, and [00:06:00] that, I do think that they shut like places shut down and whatnot, but you still saw people out doing delivery, you know, riding bikes, they still have the plows out, like. [00:06:08] Brett: [00:06:08] I was homeless in Brooklyn through a New York winter. So I’ve, I’ve seen, I’ve seen it. It’s not that different from Minnesota. Really? It doesn’t get quite as, quite as cold, [00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] right, right. Yeah. Yeah. It does not get nearly as cool because of closer to water, but, uh, yeah, so, but, uh, [00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] nor’easters are always fun. [00:06:29] Christina: [00:06:29] Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, that definitely, um, it it’s funny, like having lived different places and just acclimating to the different weather things and like seeing like what some places handle well and what some places don’t and, um, the weird thing in Seattle, I think here’s what Seattle, other than the snow, what it really doesn’t handle well is heat because no one has central AC. [00:06:53] Brett: [00:06:53] Oh, sure. [00:06:54] Christina: [00:06:54] So, well, well, and it’s just, doesn’t usually get that hot. It’s only a few days out of the [00:07:00] year. So most homes, unless you specifically build it, won’t have it apartments. Don’t have it. If I ever were rich enough to have a home or a condo or whatever, I would insist upon it. Um, because I just feel like it’s a stupid thing to not have. [00:07:17] But, uh, like that’s the one thing that Atlanta Georgia does handle really well, probably the only type of weather that Atlanta handles really well is insane heat because you drive everywhere and everything has central AC. So you, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s hot as it’s hot as hell in the summer, and you will die of heat stroke if you’re not careful, but fortunately there’s no public transit and everyone drives everywhere. [00:07:43] And every building is, you know, Has central AC. So, [00:07:49] Brett: [00:07:49] Yeah. So, [00:07:50] Christina: [00:07:50] was a weird, that was a weird, you know, [00:07:52] Brett: [00:07:52] well, anyone who listens to this MADEC knows that, uh, starting a podcast by talking about the weather is it’s [00:08:00] kind of like my comfort zone. As a Minnesota. And I think that’s by default conversation I used to immediately doing. Yeah. So where do you live? What’s the weather like there? Tell me all about it. [00:08:12] So there was this tweet from one Christina Warren. Uh, happy 25th birthday to gimp were the only things worse than the name are the user interface and the people that say it’s just as good as Photoshop. No, I haven’t used gimp for almost 25 years. So maybe it’s gotten a lot better since then. I imagine it’s gotten way better since then, but, but this, this tweet is hilarious. [00:08:41] Christina: [00:08:41] Uh, thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, and I, I would say, you know, I would really like you to be able to try out gimp. Uh, unfortunately it hasn’t compiled on Mac West for the last like four versions. Uh, which I think really only means like maybe a year or so, but, uh, like that, like [00:09:00] the, like the last four point releases doesn’t compile on Mac. [00:09:03] Um, so, uh, we, we can’t even know, uh, yeah, I sent this tweet off at like 10, 15:00 PM. I thought nothing of it. I was like, I think this is sort of funny, right? Next thing. I know it starts getting a lot of replies and then it goes on and on and on wound up getting 373 retweets, 76 quote tweets, and 3,300 likes, which, which is a lot. [00:09:34] Um, it went a lot more than I thought that that 367,000 impressions, the downside of this, most people. Had the same reaction you did, which is that it’s, that’s hilarious. And I thank you for that. I was actually, I was kind of proud. I was like this, I think this is kind of funny, but like nothing, you know, out of the ordinary and the, then the people who say that it’s just as good as Photoshop showed up. [00:10:01] [00:10:00] Brett: [00:10:01] Yeah, well, [00:10:03] Christina: [00:10:03] um, yeah, [00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] I used it when I was a Linux user and as a Linux user, it was great just to have anything that could do anything similar to Photoshop, [00:10:15] Christina: [00:10:15] Agreed. [00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] but I can’t imagine, have you ever used affinity photo? [00:10:21] Christina: [00:10:21] I do. I have, I love it. [00:10:23] Brett: [00:10:23] It’s so good at like, I don’t need Photoshop anymore. Thanks to that. [00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] Yeah, no, I, I use, um, uh, affinity, affinity, photo affinity, um, draw, uh, which is like the illustrator replacement. I think those are both great. I don’t have the publishing one cause I don’t actually do like print stuff, but I imagine [00:10:41] Brett: [00:10:41] It is, it is very good. I’ve been on it since the beta. Yes. [00:10:45] Christina: [00:10:45] Yeah. Um, okay, so, so this is then where things kind of go off the rails. So I’m not going to like name and shame him because unlike him, uh, I. Am not an asshole. Uh, and also we sort of ended things [00:11:00] on an okay note. But, uh, anyway, so this guy who is a core, um, he, he he’s the, he’s a Python core developer and he was the release manager for Python three dot eight and three dot nine. [00:11:13] And he quote, tweets me and says, wow, a disappointingly cheap dig for a at Microsoft developer advocate. At film underscore girl, I challenge you to do something about it, for example, by donating to the project. So the Microsoft logo appears here and then he links to the gimp sponsor page. Now that would be a classy way to say happy birthday. [00:11:34] And so my response to that, which I thought was actually pretty nice was. It was lighthearted jab. The program is incredibly impressive. The UI is not, I was just trying to tease the rabid fans slash zealots, but here you go, put my money where my mouth is. And then I donated $50 to the Ghanaian foundation on behalf of the gimp project. [00:11:53] And then I immediately followed up that $50 donation by going into the company matching portal and having Microsoft [00:12:00] match my $50. So they got a hundred dollars from me. I thought that kind of was, was, was the, was the way that to handle that. And then. Right. I thought so. Right. I thought I was like, okay. [00:12:10] You know what? Cause I, cause the one thing that I didn’t, especially as it started getting more attention, the one thing I didn’t want it to turn into was for people to like mistakenly think that I’m like trying to shit on the work of the people who’ve been doing this thing for 25 years. Cause that’s not what the joke is about. [00:12:27] Like it’s the UI is bad. The, the, the team knows this. Everyone knows this. That’s not, that’s like not even a subject, that’s like not subjective. That is fact. And, um, also the people that are like zealous about it, it’s funny. It’s just, it’s, it’s a lighthearted job, but like, I didn’t want it to come across. [00:12:46] Like I’m trying to, you know, crap on like this, this project. So I even like retweeted. Uh, him, uh, and I was like, Hey, you know, um, I put something that there was like, like, I think the joke was pretty obviously lighthearted, [00:13:00] teasing, but I donated a hundred dollars to condone foundation as instructed on the gimp website, um, as a sign of Goodwill. [00:13:07] And, you know, most people were really receptive to that and were like, that’s really cool. And some people were even, I think, rightly calling this guy out, they were like, wait. So you’re trying to get her in trouble with where she works. Because she tweeted a joke because that is what he was trying to do. [00:13:26] You don’t bring my employer name into it if that’s not what you’re trying to do. And I, and I’ve had people try to get me fired or get me in trouble for a bunch of stupid stuff. Uh, this is probably the funniest, if I’m being totally honest, because also I just like gave them money, but then. As the tweet got more and more attention, then like more and more people started like being like, assholes about it. [00:13:48] And I didn’t respond to all of them cause I wasn’t going to, and I don’t care. And most people again like took it in the, in the way that it was. But you did have the people who were like trying to, like, somebody was like, Oh, you know, we’re, we’re making like [00:14:00] windows jokes. Oh. You know, uh, like trying to make fun of windows doesn’t feel so good does it. [00:14:04] And I was like, I laughed also, I’m a, I’m a Mac user, so whatever, but also like I’ll laugh. I think it’s funny. It’s not a big deal. Um, the other thing is like, you know, the name is pretty terrible and a lot of people have issues with that. And so I also ended up donating money to glimpse, which is a project that it is basically a fork of the gimp, but with a better name. [00:14:29] And then they’re also attempting to give it a better UI. Uh, but the funniest part was, so I still had people as of like, we’re recording this on Tuesday. I still had people as of like last night who were like trying to come from me and we’re like mad and, and, and they’re like, you’re so upset about this. [00:14:44] I’m like, no, you’re, you’re the one who’s like still, you know, going on and on about it. Like, I’m, I’m pretty chill. It was a pretty funny joke, but like, people are mad that like, I won’t back down and apologize for saying the UI is bad because it is, uh, But the gift project, this is where it came [00:15:00] full circle. [00:15:00] And I had to give him credit for this. Um, the gimp project replied to, um, to my tweet being like, thanks with a question Mark. And I was like, okay, you know, what prompts you for that? Like, that’s actually like the. The the right [00:15:18] Brett: [00:15:18] That’s a reasonable response. [00:15:19] Christina: [00:15:19] that’s that that’s the correct response. And, and then, and, and I, and I actually, you know, and then the night’s pizza when I was like, okay, this shit post birthday greeting has come full circle. [00:15:29] Happy birthday. Thanks for 25 years of not taking yourselves too seriously. And for all the hard work, um, I do need to the project last night, but encourage others to do that as well, because. You know, I like that was, uh, I wanted to do another thing just because obviously none of those are going to get as much traction as like the initial shit post, but anybody who saw anything like, you know, w would the way the algorithm works may be, be alerted to, to suffer whatnot. [00:15:53] But anyway, I just wanted to share that. Cause I was like of all the shit that people have tried to come at me for, and I knew it would happen. I just didn’t [00:16:00] anticipate going in that way, but also. I was pretty high, both when I tweeted the original thing. And when I like made the donation and when I woke up, I was like not to Pat myself on the back too much, but I think I handled that pretty well. [00:16:17] I don’t know [00:16:18] Brett: [00:16:18] That’s uh, uh, uh, a strong endorsement for weed, right there. [00:16:22] Christina: [00:16:22] right, right. I mean, you know, how, how have a good tweet make some people mad by, um, giving money to this thing that you don’t even [00:16:30] Brett: [00:16:30] Get, get 3,300 likes [00:16:34] Christina: [00:16:34] but the stupidest shit [00:16:36] Brett: [00:16:36] my most popular tweet ever got a thousand. Likes. And it was basically just telling people not to update and be old. [00:16:47] That’s what got the most traction. [00:16:49] Christina: [00:16:49] well, okay. That’s actually a really good segue though, because speaking of software that doesn’t work. Let’s talk about big, sir. [00:16:57] Brett: [00:16:57] Uh, I made [00:17:00] the mistake. Of up, uh, I don’t, I don’t have a single compelling reason to tell anyone to upgrade to big Sur. I have nothing so far, but complaints and that’s not typical of me. I can usually see the, the, the shiny parts and, and get why, why we’re making changes. But I am hating this. I, I re I have regrets. [00:17:27] Christina: [00:17:27] Yeah. So I am not on big Sur. Uh, I am still not on Mojave on my laptop. [00:17:33] Brett: [00:17:33] you mean [00:17:33] Christina: [00:17:33] Uh, sorry. Exactly. I am. I’m a hobby. My hobby is the last good one. I’m still on a Catalina on my laptop. I’m on it on my iMac because I didn’t have a choice. And I think that it’s finally gotten stable enough from what people are telling me, [00:17:45] Brett: [00:17:45] Yeah, I was into Catalina. [00:17:47] Christina: [00:17:47] I, but, but, but if I could, I would still say I’m a hobby. Well, I, I installed it on like a external drive or in a container in EPFs before. And I ran into so many issues that I was just like, I’m not touching [00:18:00] this. And then I kept reading about so many horror stories with Catalina that I just like kept putting off and putting it off. [00:18:06] Now, I think it’s finally ready. But reading about all of the issues people are having with big Sur. No, no, I’m not doing it. Like I get that for you. You have support requests and whatnot. Um, I still think that you maybe should have like [00:18:23] Brett: [00:18:23] Put it on a container. Sure. [00:18:25] Christina: [00:18:25] it in a container exactly [00:18:26] Brett: [00:18:26] I did. I did the first thing I did try when the, when I first started testing on big Sur, which I had to do months ago, uh, was run it through, uh, parallels, which didn’t work. So I ended up putting it on a container, but I needed my full dev environment and I didn’t feel like duplicating it to a separate install. [00:18:46] Yeah. So my [00:18:48] Christina: [00:18:48] I, I get that to go on. No, I was just going to say, go on. [00:18:52] Brett: [00:18:52] So my biggest complaint though, Is is something that won’t affect most people, but in finder and in [00:19:00] most apps now. So for anyone who doesn’t know what a proxy icon is, it’s the little icon up next to the document title. And it’s usually at the top of every window and you can drag that. And it functions the same as if you had dragged that document icon in finder and you can drag it anywhere. [00:19:21] You need it to, and I use it constantly and in big Sur they hid them. So you have to hover over the title. And there’s about a one second delay before you get the proxy icon. And it is irritating. I [00:19:37] Christina: [00:19:37] I’ve I’ve heard this. No, I, I saw, I saw reports of this one big Sur was released in beta and I have installed it on again in a container on an external drive just to play with it. Uh, and then I was promptly. I was like, I. Also, I was like, I’m not, I’m not messing with this right now. So I haven’t, but I read about this and I read about the fact that [00:20:00] there’s like a delay. [00:20:01] Um, and I was hoping that at this point, people would have figured out a way to maybe like, turn that off, like in a terminal setting or something. But I’m assuming that is not the case. That sucks. [00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] not that I’ve seen anyway. [00:20:15] Christina: [00:20:15] Yeah. No, I mean, I, I can, I can, I can believe that, but that’s just frustrating because. I don’t use them as frequently as you do, but I do use them. [00:20:26] And it’s certainly one of those things that is nice to have. And that’s been part of the Mac for as long as I can remember. So that’s [00:20:39] Brett: [00:20:39] can you believe they haven’t added dual pane browsing to find her yet? [00:20:43] Christina: [00:20:43] God seriously, like how honestly. [00:20:48] Brett: [00:20:48] of all the apps that I have had trouble with in big Sur, the one that’s working super well that I’m super glad about is forklift. Have you ever used forklift? [00:20:59] Christina: [00:20:59] I [00:21:00] have, I have, um, usually I use transmit, but forklift is I’ve. I’ve purchased it in the past and it’s a really good, uh, app. [00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] it’s on set up now too. Like I used to use Pathfinder, like I, I guess like FTP isn’t my primary use case for these it’s more file management and just having a dual pane browser that I can shuffle files between using keyboard shortcuts. Um, But like I used to use Pathfinder and Pathfinder still. Really cool. [00:21:29] Also onset app, I think. Uh, [00:21:32] Christina: [00:21:32] Yeah. I could [00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] is forklift is just more powerful. I love it. [00:21:37] Christina: [00:21:37] Yeah, actually, it’s funny because you mentioned that and it does turn out that I do actually have a forklift installed because of setup. Uh, and it is, yeah, I agree with that. Um, cause the nice thing about it is that you can manage some of your like remote disks too, you know? So if you have [00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] Oh, yeah. And you can Mount your S3 drives as local disks. Yeah. [00:21:57] Christina: [00:21:57] Exactly. Because at this point we all know like, [00:22:00] Dropbox has become an abomination of its former self and it’s terrible. Uh, the Google drive client or whatever the hell they call it is absolute garbage. Like I don’t want to ever hear anybody say anything bad about one drive ever, because a at this 0.1 drive is better than Dropbox and I hate admitting that, but it’s true. [00:22:21] Like I’m not happy to say that one drive is better than Dropbox and Mac right now. I really don’t like saying that, but it is. But the Google app is the absolute worst. Like the Google app is so bad that I won’t install it even in windows. Like I wanna install it anywhere. And the only there was a project I was working on where I was having to, um, interfere, like interact with, with Google drive. [00:22:44] And I was having to upload several gigabytes, um, you know, uh, you know, every couple of days, um, or sometimes every day to a Google drive. And what I found was okay. I will give Google a lot of shit about how bad their client is. At least the web [00:23:00] interface did actually handle uploading files that large with a plump. [00:23:05] So, which cause usually that’s why I wouldn’t want to deal with that. It’d be like, Oh, it’ll be too slow to do whatnot. No drag and drop in the browser actually worked pretty well. Which, so no one ever used that, but yeah, that’s the nice thing about forklift. And then also I think a, uh, cyber duck, um, [00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] Oh my God. Cyber Doug. Speaking of gimp. [00:23:22] Christina: [00:23:22] Exactly. No, but, but they, uh, they, they have one like called mountain Ducker or whatever. That also is a good remote, uh, way to like, host, like not posts, but I guess like, uh, pull up all of your S3 or whatever drives and then have a way to browse them without dealing with the clients. But yeah, forklift is good. [00:23:41] Brett: [00:23:41] I think the last time I used cyber duck was the same era I used gimp. Wow. I didn’t, I it’s surprising. It’s still around. Um, but yeah, I. So, uh, Oh, I forgot what I was going to say. It had something remotely to do with [00:23:59] Christina: [00:23:59] no, no. [00:24:00] You’re talking about forklift because of the dual paints. [00:24:02] Brett: [00:24:02] Yeah, I lost it. We’ll let it go. [00:24:05] Christina: [00:24:05] We’ll let it go. But yeah, it is. I [00:24:06] Brett: [00:24:06] Oh, Oh, I remember I actually wear it. Wear it is integrated. [00:24:12] I really do like iCloud drive. [00:24:16] Christina: [00:24:16] Yeah. Um, well, okay. I’m of two minds of that, where it’s [00:24:22] Brett: [00:24:22] please tell [00:24:24] Christina: [00:24:24] Okay. So where’s integrate, I agree with you. I like the fact that when it’s done well, there is automatically a folder. In, you know, I called drive for that application and that, no matter what device I’m at, I’m on or device type, I can access it actually really like that. [00:24:41] Uh, but I don’t, like, there are lots of things. I don’t like a, I don’t like the fact that I can’t control how much storage space it is taking up on my device because Apple just wants to [00:24:54] Brett: [00:24:54] No selective sync. [00:24:55] Christina: [00:24:55] yeah. Like what? But it’s not even really selective sync because it’s like, Oh, we will [00:25:00] just. Basically determine how much space is free on your drive and how much we can use. [00:25:05] And it’s like, okay, if I have a two terabyte. Drive on a brand new machine. For instance, that’s enough to take the 300 gigabytes or whatever that I have in my, my I call drive. And you can put it all on there, but I don’t want that. And as I feel more space of my drive, I don’t want that. And the way that Apple does that dynamic resize, and I just don’t trust. [00:25:26] And I don’t like it. The other thing is it’s still, and we’re like four years into this now, maybe five, but you know, the backup, the, your desktop. Um, and your documents, folders, and iCloud drive. If you turn that on automatically, which is great, except it doesn’t really work with multiple desktops. You just wind up with like desktop to desktop three, or like your documents, whatever. [00:25:47] So it like it, you know, it’s like, tell me what damn machine it is, you know, like [00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Yeah. I’ve never tried that. [00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] Yeah. So I don’t like that. And then the final thing is, you know, they finally introduced her supposed to introduce with [00:26:00] the, like the latest stuff, like the ability to share, um, folders with other people. I still find that too finicky. [00:26:07] It’s just not robust enough, but having said that, it’s a weird thing with me. There are certain things like, cause I ha I pay for Dropbox, even though I keep telling myself I’m going to cancel it. I still pay for Dropbox. Um, [00:26:20] Brett: [00:26:20] still has its perks. [00:26:22] Christina: [00:26:22] It really does the ubiquity at this point, I think is the big thing with Dropbox. [00:26:25] So I pay for Dropbox. Uh, I get, um, one drive through work and then I have one drive personal through the office, three 65 family account that I have, uh, cause I pay like 20 bucks a year. If you, if you ever need cheap office three 65, let me know. I’ll hook you up. Um, And, and then I get a terabyte, you know, of that for, for personal stuff. [00:26:47] And then I also paid like $20 because I needed the space for a hundred gigabytes and Google drive, which I will never use ever again. So after this year I will never use it ever again. So I’ve used all these things in addition to having [00:27:00] stuff in S3 or Backblaze, or, or other stuff. Um, and I will say. [00:27:07] ICloud, even though it’s not the best in any of the categories is still the one that for certain stuff will be like what? I’ll just defacto go-to if that makes any sense. [00:27:18] Brett: [00:27:18] So speaking of places you can use Dropbox. [00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Yes. Great, great. A great segue. [00:27:23] Brett: [00:27:23] uh, it was, uh, it was a decent segue. Um, one of our sponsors this week, we have two sponsors this week, the show is going to survive. Um, but, uh, one of our sponsors is a remote HQ, which is kind of a, uh, I believe new, at least it’s new to me. Um, but imagine, uh, like Slack meets zoom. [00:27:47] Meets, uh, like interactive screen-sharing and you’ve got remote HQ and it’s designed to allow people to meet remotely as if they were in the same room. And you can do [00:28:00] these, uh, um, like a private meeting room and you can have as many rooms as you want. You create a new room for, for every meeting. It’s like having a really big office and then everyone logs in. [00:28:10] They can have. Video and audio, they can have a co-browsing so they can share a browser and take turns like moving and clicking, uh, integrates with Google docs, uh, Trello boards, Dropbox, Miro, like, and you can, it tons of apps. You can add as many apps as you need to each meeting. Um, and it gives you a searchable digital trail. [00:28:35] So it, uh, it automatically captures all of your session output. So notes from every meeting are automatically logged and saved to that event. So it’s easy to, to figure out what you talked about at any given meeting. Um, and it’s all browser based. So there’s no software to download. And uh, meeting rooms can be locked. [00:28:55] So there’s no potential for zoom bombing, uh, only, only [00:29:00] authenticated users, uh, which is more secure than using a password. And you can easily save a page layout and save your work across recurring meetings. Uh, so once you get all your apps added, uh, you can toggle a switch and automatically carry over content from one meeting to the next. [00:29:16] So you can pick up right where you left off. Um, I, I just gave you an invite to my remote HQ this [00:29:25] Christina: [00:29:25] Yeah. [00:29:26] Brett: [00:29:26] you haven’t had much of a chance to explore yet. [00:29:28] Christina: [00:29:28] No, I haven’t, but I was looking at it before we, before we got on. And I, I liked kind of the look, you know, like, it looks similar to some of the other things that you’ve used before, like you mentioned, but what I do like about it, and I’m curious from your perspective having used it is that concept where it is trying to recreate the in-person meeting experience. [00:29:45] Cause I think that’s different than how a lot of those other tools work. So what, what’s your kind of take on, on that? Like. [00:29:53] Brett: [00:29:53] I think better than an in-person meeting, but I’ve always hated meetings to begin with. But having [00:30:00] like in an in-person meeting, one person has control of the, the slides or the browser at any given time. And with this, you can actually collaborate. And, uh, and I’m sure like working at Microsoft, you have all kinds of fancy tools for cool meetings, but for, for most purposes and most teams, I would think this is a step up from an in-person meeting. [00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Yeah, no, I’d agree with that. And I would also say that even at like, no matter what company I’ve worked at, whether it’s like really big or really small, uh, Everybody always has issues getting the conference call like connected to the, to the screen in the room. So even you’re in the in-person meeting and you’re just trying to like, share your screen onto the big thing and like everybody has issues. [00:30:47] And so, um, yeah, so I like that idea of being able to kind of have that power, but habit, uh, remotely. And, um, you’re telling me too, like, you can do things like you can even do, like share what browsing like with, with [00:31:00] people. That’s that’s cool. [00:31:01] Brett: [00:31:01] Yeah, well, I mean, it can be, it could, it could probably go wrong. But the idea of, especially like for me, a lot of my meetings would be around web design and web development. So being [00:31:12] Christina: [00:31:12] I was [00:31:12] Brett: [00:31:12] to, yeah, to be able to interactively explore and, and comment on aspects of a design would be super cool. [00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] Yeah, no, I think that’s awesome. Uh, I, uh, I like that idea a lot. No, I’m looking forward to, to playing with it with you. Cause I feel like it could be useful even for the way we plan our shows, [00:31:32] Brett: [00:31:32] yeah. Oh, that’s a really good idea. We should do that. [00:31:36] Christina: [00:31:36] I think so. [00:31:37] Brett: [00:31:37] So here’s the deal. If you head to remote hq.com/partnerships/overtired, you get a free 30 day trial. And when you’re ready to launch, use the code overtired and you get your next free months, three months for free. So that’s four months of remote HQ for free. [00:31:57] If you use the coupon code over tired [00:32:00] [00:32:00] Christina: [00:32:00] I love it. I love it. Well, thank you. Thank you. Remote HQ. And I looking forward to planning the show and collabing with that on with you from now on. [00:32:10] Brett: [00:32:10] and, uh, uh, we’ll continue our conversation and see if we can pull off a good segue to our other sponsor. Um, w w I’ll give you a heads up. It’s Headspace. [00:32:21] Christina: [00:32:21] Nice. [00:32:21] Brett: [00:32:21] Which we’ve talked about before and, and it’s, it’s great, but we’ll see if we can let’s let’s see what happens. [00:32:28] Christina: [00:32:28] okay. So, so other than, um, to pain stuff, not so other than, uh, I guess your proxy icons, is there anything else that’s driving you nuts about big Sur. [00:32:40] Brett: [00:32:40] well, uh, uh, a lot of software isn’t compatible yet, uh, uh, D script, which I use for editing. All of these podcasts is, uh, it has some serious issues in big Sur. Um, it ruined Mart marked is I may have mentioned that before, but. [00:33:00] Uh, Mark’s PDF export under big Sur instead of outputting a nice vector PDF with selectable texts, and now just outputs a raster image of your document. [00:33:12] And I don’t know why this is happening. No one is responding to me. I’m having to completely rewrite Mark to make this work, which is not something I have time for as we get NV, ultra close to launch. But, uh, um, All, all of my rogue amoeba apps are having some issues. So, um, uh, audio hijack and sound source and loop back. [00:33:36] I love RhoGAM MIGA, rogue amoeba. Amiga we haven’t talked about Amigos. Um, [00:33:44] Christina: [00:33:44] we should. [00:33:45] Brett: [00:33:45] but, but yeah, like I it’s, it’s seriously impacting my everyday life right now. So I have a lot of. Uh, ill will toward big Sur at the moment. It’ll probably get better, especially as apps [00:34:00] come up with solutions, but I know, I know like rogue amoeba has been on it the whole time and working to make it work. [00:34:08] And I know, uh, de script announced a while back that they were trying to find solutions and much like my problem with Mark. I’m not sure there are solutions without rewrites and that’s not cool. [00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] Yeah, no, I mean, it’s interesting. I was going to ask you about, you know, with marked, like, did they change something with I’m guessing they changed something with like the, you know, the built-in PDF render or [00:34:30] Brett: [00:34:30] what so, so the thing is in order to do what Mart does, uh, it uses a ton of JavaScript that bridges to the objective C application and because of the way it’s written, uh, with very synchronous communication between the two. I couldn’t update to the new WK web view, which only allows async communication, um, that to do that upgrade would be [00:35:00] a full rewrite of thousands of lines of JavaScript. [00:35:03] And so I, because WK web view also up until just a couple months ago, didn’t have PDF or printing at all. Like it wasn’t an option for me to, to use it. So it wasn’t worth the time to rewrite. Meanwhile, they deprecated the version of WebKit that Mark uses. So it no longer has support and they won’t fix what they’ve broken. [00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] okay. That’s frustrating. [00:35:36] Brett: [00:35:36] So that’s my life. [00:35:37] Christina: [00:35:37] Yeah, I was going to say that doesn’t sound super great. And like, I know that like little snips, cause they’ve even changed stuff like there was, did you get caught by the bug that hit everybody? When, um, everybody was trying to download big Sur and it crashed Apple CDN and then the part of, uh, you know, uh, Catalina and, and so on that phone home, [00:35:57] Brett: [00:35:57] that’s yeah, it verifies the [00:36:00] signatures for all app store apps. [00:36:02] Christina: [00:36:02] Right. [00:36:03] Brett: [00:36:03] Well even non app store apps. [00:36:05] Christina: [00:36:05] Yeah. Every app. So like everybody’s Mac was like super, super slow. And like, everybody was kind of blaming it. At least I was certainly blaming. I was like, Oh, well this, this is, this is big server stuff or whatever. But like, my Mac was slow too. And I was like, I, but it was, it happened on my birthday and I took a half day. [00:36:20] So when stuff started like being bonkers, I was just like, Um, all right. I I’m I’m, I’m already 5,000. I’m not messing with this, but, uh, w were you hit with that? [00:36:31] Brett: [00:36:31] I, I actually missed it. Uh, first I can’t remember exactly why, but I also was AFK all day that day. Um, and only knew about it through like Twitter later in the evening. [00:36:42] Christina: [00:36:42] Very nice. Very nice. Well, yeah. Well, the, the thing I was going to bring up with that though, is that it made me think of this because little snitch, um, You know, is usually what people would use to block things from communicating with certain servers, but it turns out Apple’s made some changes to the way that firewalls work in CA [00:37:00] in big Sur, where apparently without doing some excessive stuff, you can’t block access to their gateways, even with your own firewall. [00:37:08] Um, and, uh, little snitch had to have a pretty significant rewrite to work. Um, in, in big Sur. So I know that there’ve been a lot of changes happening and, and that’s even without talking about, I guess we should, this is it. This is not our list, but I, I want to talk to you about this last week. Um, now the, the Apple Silicon Macs are out. [00:37:28] We’re starting to see what apps are compatible with Arne and where like the edge cases are. And I was just curious from your perspective, since you had, um, uh, DTK, uh, Mac, uh, what, uh, What your observations have been and how things have been like on that front, either on the Rosetta two front or, you know, people porting their stuff to run an Apple Silicon part, because I know that it’s different from like the ongoing, like mess of big Sur problems, but they’re interrelated in the sense that in addition to having a new OOS, you also have it as like the [00:38:00] demarcation version of the new chip set. [00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] Yeah, I am not. Um, I’m not ready to go into depth. I will say that Rosetta has, uh, like everything pretty much has run seamlessly for me, whether it’s been compiled for, uh, Apple, Silicon or not. So I am I’m my fears have been assuaged as far as like making this transition. I think Rosetta two works even better than Rosetta did when they made the Intel switch. [00:38:36] Um, but that said, I have not spent nearly as much time as I should have on my DTK and I am way behind the ball on that. [00:38:48] Christina: [00:38:48] Gotcha. Okay. Well, we’ll talk more about that in the future. And, and they, you know, there are some edge cases. Virtualization doesn’t work right now. Um, Homebrew really doesn’t work. There are some limited things you can do, but it [00:39:00] has to run through Rosetta or you have to apply some hacks to be able to run. [00:39:04] The apps that are compiled for arm right now, Docker doesn’t work right now. There, there are some definitely breaking points for some people. Node is not compiled natively, although it runs pretty fast and Rosetta too, from what I’ve seen, this’ll all get fixed in time. But, but this, I think like, It makes me feel better about my decision to spend $5,000 on an iMac, uh, that had an Intel chip in it. [00:39:29] And everybody was like, why would you do that? And I was like, cause it’s going to be 18 months before I feel like solid about everything. Like it’s probably not going to be 18 months. We’ll probably be 12. But I, you know, I think that, uh, I’m seeing these now and I’m like, cool. Uh, th these are great machines for most people for devs. [00:39:50] This, this should not be your primary machine, unless you were a very special type of developer. That’s just my take right now, but I don’t have one. So. [00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] Yeah, I’m, uh, I’m not going to be able to afford [00:40:00] a new Mac for a couple of years anyway, so I’m going to give it some. Sometime I have my DTK that costs me $500 and I’ll have to ship back eventually. But, um, Oh, I just got a notification that I’ve logged over 700 hours using NBO ultra. We hope it has served you. [00:40:16] Well, I didn’t even know we had that in there. [00:40:19] Christina: [00:40:19] that’s awesome. That’s awesome. Do you have any updates on NDL ultra? You want to talk about. [00:40:24] Brett: [00:40:24] um, so we keep having like a week long sprints. When, uh, when Fletcher is available, uh, but, uh, he works in an ER and things are things. Things are busy at the hospitals these days. So, um, there’s a lot of pauses in development. We did just add this super cool, uh, history feature. So you have a backward and forward button as you go through your notes, uh, which is super nice. [00:40:55] And it’s all keyboard friendly. So I’m excited about that. [00:41:00] And we’ve got a few bugs left that have been recently reported to work out, but we have it all set up to, to add the, uh, a free trial version and, uh, kind of limited feature set and then unlock for full feature set. Things are very close. Yeah. So back when you were talking about connecting to Apple’s, uh, signature authentication server, I had the perfect segue, but then we moved on. [00:41:32] Christina: [00:41:32] Okay, well, let’s go back there cause I can talk about that again. [00:41:35] Brett: [00:41:35] So little snitch blocks, your connections, blah, blah, blah. But you don’t need to spend a ton of money to reconnect with yourself. [00:41:43] Christina: [00:41:43] Oh, [00:41:45] Brett: [00:41:45] right? You can start to improve nearly every aspect, aspect of your life with your phone and a little Headspace. Did I nail that? [00:41:55] Christina: [00:41:55] you nailed it. You nailed it. [00:41:56] Brett: [00:41:56] I mean, after the fact, but man, [00:41:59] Christina: [00:41:59] I [00:42:00] mean, if we’d been able to get it, actually, when we were having that discussion, it would have been even better, but I still really like it. [00:42:05] Brett: [00:42:05] we got to go with the flow things have to be semi organic. 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And, um, I I’ve actually, uh, I guess not in the past, but like before you know, this sponsorship and it’s really good. It’s something that actually I’m bad at meditating and clearing my mind. And it’s one of the few things that’s actually worked for me. [00:44:18] And I’ve tried a lot of those wellness apps. So check it out. [00:44:21] Brett: [00:44:21] Yeah. Like I found like mindful meditation and is, is great for me. Um, I used to think that my brain was too busy to meditate, but it turns out that’s exactly when you should meditate and it can really, especially with ADHD, it can really help you, uh, calm your mind and, and find the focus. So. If you think your, your, your, your, your brain is too crazy to meditate. [00:44:48] You’re, you’re, that’s the opposite of, of how meditation works. [00:44:53] Christina: [00:44:53] Yeah, I, I, um, I agree. It’s sort of an interesting thing to think about. My, my shrink has mentioned similar things with me about [00:45:00] that too, but yeah, it goes contrary to what you would think, but it’s like, no, actually that’s why you should force yourself into trying that out because it will matter even more so good stuff. [00:45:10] Brett: [00:45:10] So do you. Do you finish bad movies? Like if you decide, say halfway through a movie that it’s just awful. Do you finish it anyway? Or do you walk out or hit stop? [00:45:24] Christina: [00:45:24] okay. So it’s weird because historically, like when I was younger, uh, and I was very much like, Uh, film snobs, you know, TM, you know, Christina, it felt disrespectful not to finish a film, even if it was terrible. And so there are a lot of things that I’ve just seen or, you know, sometimes like you’re with friends or a date takes to the movie and you can’t leave. [00:45:52] Like you’re not in a position to walk out. So I would say that historically. Yeah. I watched them all the way through. I would say that as I’ve gotten [00:46:00] older, As I’ve become both more ADHD, thanks to us having many computers in our pockets at all times, which can distract us from things. And also, frankly, I think that it’s like this rise of we’ve never had more content available to us than ever before. [00:46:15] Not just in the fact that we’re like at peak. TV and movie and stuff. And that there’s a lot of really good new stuff, but we also have like instantaneous access to old stuff. So at this point, unless I’m like intentionally watching something that’s bad, like grant is really into MST three K and retract. [00:46:33] So if we’re like washing one of those, uh, fine. Although he likes them way more than I do. Cause at a certain point, I just can’t get them anymore. But if something is like really bad, yeah. I’m pretty game at this point. It just like. Duck out. What about you? [00:46:49] Brett: [00:46:49] Well, so I realized very much the same thing recently. Like I used to, I used to feel like I wouldn’t be allowed to complain about a movie if I hadn’t finished it. Um, because you could say, [00:47:00] well, I thought it was terrible and I walked out, but that’s kind of where the conversation has to stop because you don’t know for sure. [00:47:06] Maybe it redeemed itself in the last half. Um, so I used to watch most movies all the way through. I don’t think I ever walked out of a theater. Um, on rare occasions I would stop a tape or a DVD from playing. Um, but since, since streaming happened, And I think for much of the same reasons that you spoke of, I just, I have better things to do with my time. [00:47:33] There are better things to watch. There are, uh, too many things that I could be doing to sit through a truly awful movie. This happened, I was watching the wrong Missy on Netflix, I think. And it was, it’s a David spade movie. And it was the worst thing I seen in a long time. And we got to a certain point Ella and I [00:48:00] did where we just, we agreed that there was no way at, at like the halfway Mark that the movie could redeem itself. [00:48:09] Um, it tortured us, us. We ended up going back and watching the last 10 minutes just to see where they had gone with it. And it was every, it was the worst possible conclusion. So, I don’t know what all happened in between, but they were kind enough to put a fucking montage of the part we missed at the end. [00:48:30] Like he has this flashback and remembers all of the, the chaos of the movie in a 32nd montage that made us absolutely sure. We made the right choice. [00:48:43] Christina: [00:48:43] Uh, so I am, I’ve just Wikipedia this and I’m looking at just the poster and this, this looks awful. Like [00:48:57] Brett: [00:48:57] I thought it was going to be awful charming, [00:49:00] [00:49:00] Christina: [00:49:00] Sure. [00:49:00] Brett: [00:49:00] but it was not at all. Charming. [00:49:04] Christina: [00:49:04] Yeah. Yeah, no, I’m, I’m, I’m like, I’m like looking at the cast list and I’m like really upset this Sarah chalk is in this because I really like her. Um, and, and she doesn’t even have a major part in it. And it is a happy Madison, uh, film is what it seems like. Uh, or maybe it’s not, maybe they were just. You know, because Netflix has that massive deal with, with, uh, Adam Sandler where he is now. [00:49:30] Like, I think, I think Adam, Sandler’s like a legitimate billionaire now because of Netflix. [00:49:35] Brett: [00:49:35] I didn’t finish. Happy Madison either [00:49:37] Christina: [00:49:37] um, I mean that one I’ve seen a million times, but yeah. Uh, uh, um, uh, but uh, happy go more Billy Madison that having Madison’s a studio’s name. Uh, but yeah, I, um, [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] happy Gilmore, right? [00:49:52] Christina: [00:49:52] Happy. Yeah. Happy Gomer is the golfing one, um, with the kid who’s, you know, once he [00:50:00] has the crush on the kindergarten teacher, something, uh, it’s been a really long time, but yeah, I think that was the deal. [00:50:04] The deal with that never really cared for them, but they were always on. And that was back in the era. When your friends want to watch happy Gilmore you’re 13, you don’t have any option to be like. No, I’ll just watch something else on my phone. You know what I mean? Um, so, but yeah, yeah, this looks pretty bad, but I’m with you. [00:50:24] Like I better things to do with my time. Now. I will say if I do come across something that is so spectacularly terrible, like truly like remarkably, like from Justin to Kelly level bad, there is a part of me that is, is still sort of like grotesquely intrigued, but. But that is, that is few and far between like, uh, okay. [00:50:48] So like case in point this morning, uh, the outgoing president, uh, Donald J. Trump started to retweet Randy Quaid. Uh, the [00:51:00] actor now, Randy Quaid, if you have not kept up with him, uh, has become the full embodiment of the cousin, Eddie character from the vacation films, except he’s even more like crack. [00:51:12] Brain’s like, he’s like, he’s like legitimately, like off. The rocker, like he’s like a legitimate queue and on like, whatever guy I think he was, I think he’s been arrested for burglary. I believe that he was like illegally in Canada for a while and then was like deported or extra or something. I don’t even know guy it’s bad. [00:51:30] Right. Anyway, this reminded me and cause I tweeted something about it. I was like, you know, checks notes, you know, that, that, that, um, you know, he’s, you know, tweeting things, you know, from the, the star of a. Um, national Lampoon’s Christmas vacation too. And I was reminded of national Lampoon’s Christmas vacation too, which you know, the original Christmas vacation. [00:51:53] See what you want about both the Chevy chase and Randy Quaid, two terrible people. Great, great fucking movie. [00:52:00] Like honestly, one of the best like slapstick Christmas movie things ever like is perfect. Right. Great movie. But they made a sequel and it aired on NBC. I assumed that they. That that originally they were thinking maybe it would go, you know, straight to video or whatever, but NBC was like, no, we’ll air this bullshit. It’s it’s real bad. I saw it in college. I think that somebody made me watch it. And it was one of those that I couldn’t get out of. And all I remember about it is that cousin Eddie now works at a nuclear reactor plants and a monkey is his coworker [00:52:33] Brett: [00:52:33] Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. [00:52:35] Christina: [00:52:35] and in somehow, and, and also like. The rest of the Griswold family is not there. [00:52:40] You know, like Chevy chase, even in 2003, when this came out, even like, and that was like low times for Chevy chase. He’s like, fuck you. I’m not doing this. Beverly to Angela was also like, fuck you. I’m not doing this. So, uh, it’s real bad. And I was reminded of that this morning. And that’s, that’s one of those movies that is like [00:53:00] so bad that if I had the option, now I would turn it off. [00:53:04] Like, it’s, it’s one of those where. It is from Justin to Kelly level bad, but there’s like not anything redeeming about it. Like at least from Justin to Kelly there’s camp. And it’s, it’s just, I mean, it’s got awful, but if you got high. That would be pretty good. Cats is a perfect example of that, right? Like cats is a fucking terrible movie. [00:53:23] And I saw that in a theater in, um, January I new year’s day, terrible. It was high out of my mind. And I was drinking, um, uh, vodka slushies because the, the, the AMC, we went to had a bar and the guy was willing to put, um, two shots of vodka in my slushie. So it was great. Uh, But that’s the only way you can watch cats is to just be stoned out of your mind. [00:53:47] So if you are not one who wants to do drugs or alcohol or be under the control of those substances, there’s no reason for you to enjoy cats period. But like, it has to be, to me that level of bad for me to not turn it [00:54:00] off, because I think like if I were advising you, someone who doesn’t drink or do drugs and you came across cats, On like Netflix ratio or whatever, I would just be like, no, you, you don’t need to see this, the, the scene with, with the, uh, you know, um, um, James cordon and, um, what’s her face from, uh, fat Amy from pitch. [00:54:25] Perfect. Um, you, you don’t need to like that alone, that, that one musical segment you’re like. Yep. You know what? I don’t need to watch any of this. There’s also a scene where Jennifer, um, um, what’s her base? Um, Hudson, like has, I think they might be even TGI at the snot who even knows, but all I could stare at was what she’s doing, the scene of memory and she’s crying. [00:54:48] And like, she’s just like snot coming out of her nose and, and, and you just can’t focus on anything else except for the snot. And it’s just, it’s like, her voice is wonderful. Right. And, and [00:55:00] it’s, you’re just like, how did all these talented people get. Sucked into this and, uh, yeah, [00:55:09] Brett: [00:55:09] Yeah, well, I will heed your warning. I haven’t seen it. Don’t plan to. [00:55:13] Christina: [00:55:13] yeah, yeah. Uh, don’t suggest it like, honestly, I will say to the audience though, if you do want somebody to get like either really drunk and or stoned and watch perfect movie for that also, I would say that it is one of those. Here’s my question for you. Would the terrible David spade movie would that have been enjoyable if you’d seen it with a big group of people where everyone was laughing and like making fun of it as it happened, or is it still too bad for that? [00:55:43] Brett: [00:55:43] it, the humor was so cringy that I don’t think there’s an, there are enough drugs to make me think it was funny. [00:55:49] Christina: [00:55:49] okay. See then that that’s me. That’s a skip movie, right? Because I guess this is my point because cats is one of those where as bad as it is, um, like my, my friend Simone de Roche [00:56:00] for a co-host of rocket, she actually like did alive. Um, screening of that before a lockdown at, at one of the Alamo draft houses where she was like one of the MCs and the whole audience, you know, a ride in like, and it was, it was apparently a great time, like kind of like Rocky horror that I, that I could see, like being fun. [00:56:19] But I feel like when movies like the Christmas vacation two or, um, uh, the other Molly or the wrong Molly or the wrong Missy or whatever, it’s called. Uh, whatever, uh, bullshit it is. Um, I feel like when there isn’t even anything you can grab onto, like there’s no redeeming value there. So to me, that’s just like, skip. [00:56:39] Brett: [00:56:39] Yeah. Like a, yeah. There’s, there’s something to be said for campy movies. That you can laugh at, but yeah, some movies just, uh, they’re just gross. They, they just make you feel gross. Well, that’s an hour. [00:56:56] Christina: [00:56:56] That’s an hour. Did you, did you want to touch on Instagram perversion? [00:56:59] Brett: [00:56:59] We’re going to [00:57:00] save that one. [00:57:01] Christina: [00:57:01] damn it [00:57:02] Brett: [00:57:02] Okay. Okay. We’ll go over. Let’s do it. Here’s my question. If you, do you have Instagram on a device near you? If you open Instagram and you hit the search button, what do you see? [00:57:19] We’ll wait. [00:57:21] Christina: [00:57:21] I’m pulling it up. Uh, Oh, I see. I see a bunch of a bunch of women. I S [00:57:30] Brett: [00:57:30] me too. [00:57:32] Christina: [00:57:32] yeah, like, like I, like, I see like a video of like a girl and like a cheerleading outfit, like of sorts, like showing off her boots. Oops. [00:57:39] Brett: [00:57:39] thought it was just me [00:57:41] Christina: [00:57:41] no, [00:57:42] Brett: [00:57:42] like, [00:57:42] Christina: [00:57:42] I do see some, some Botox lip stuff, but yeah, no, I see a lot of like scantily clad women. [00:57:47] Brett: [00:57:47] I know that Instagram tracks, how long you spend looking at given pictures in your camera roll. Um, so I had assumed because I do tend to stop for like selfies [00:58:00] of, of attractive women, uh, that it had made decisions. That when I hit search that I was going to search for hot girls. And now when I open up the search, it’s nothing but like models and, and hot girls doing yoga. [00:58:17] And I thought it had, it had just made some decisions about me. Uh, but it’s really good to know that that’s just what it’s showing everybody. [00:58:25] Christina: [00:58:25] Yeah. I mean, I think so. I mean, they’re there, I do follow a lot of supermodels on Instagram. So that is possible that my thing too, but I also mostly like photos of my friend’s babies, because that’s also an Instagram has become for me at [00:58:39] Brett: [00:58:39] Sure. Sure. And cats. [00:58:42] Christina: [00:58:42] and cats. Yeah. But, but, uh, my, my friend, my friends, Ashley and Lindsay just had a baby. [00:58:47] And so I see Marlo’s face all over my Instagram because Ashley’s a really good photographer, but, um, Yeah, no, I, I see like a lot of scantily clad women on the search page. I think that’s just what they’re doing either [00:59:00] that, or we’re both perverts, which is also possible [00:59:02] Brett: [00:59:02] Yeah. Okay. Well, I, yeah, as long as it’s not a like, um, YouTube radicalization thing where I’ve just, the algorithm is just trying to suck me in further. I can sleep easier. Hey, we did that in under five minutes. [00:59:19] Christina: [00:59:19] Yeah, we did. I was going to say that wasn’t bad at all. [00:59:21] Brett: [00:59:21] No. All right. Well, thanks to remote HQ and to Headspace for sponsoring today’s show, uh, keep it up. [00:59:30] We, we love sponsors. I’m always open to well, so I’m, I’m kind of picky. Uh, backbeat media is handling our sponsorships right now and. That they always ask, you know, they, they pitch a sponsor to us before they pitch us to a sponsor. So there are some that I’ll say no to, um, we get to be picky and choose ones that we can actually support. [00:59:55] So that’s nice. [00:59:57] Christina: [00:59:57] Definitely definitely when, when, and we definitely [01:00:00] appreciate it. So. [01:00:01] Brett: [01:00:01] All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep. [01:00:04] Christina: [01:00:04] Thank you Brett. Get some sleep and happy Thanksgiving to, uh, everybody in the U S or otherwise stay safe.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Christina [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] I am Brett Turkstra. This is over tired. I’m here with Christina Warren. Hi Christina. [00:00:05] Christina: [00:00:05] Hey, Brett, how are you? [00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I’m good. We’re we’re recording mid day today. So w we’re just trying new things every week. Now. [00:00:12] Christina: [00:00:12] we are. And, and I apologize that I was not able to do my normal time, but I had to go to the doctor to like, get more antibiotics because I’ve had the sinus infection and they gave me drugs for it, but the drugs were not strong enough. And so I called Teladoc again and they were like, Give it some time, if it doesn’t go away, then like go in and whatnot. [00:00:33] And then it’s been like a week and a half in greatly, too long and got to the point yesterday. Like I was having a hard time swallowing and my ear was hurting so bad. I couldn’t sleep. So now I’m on. So now I’m on like a Keflex, uh, um, uh, which you know, is super, super, super strong. So hopefully [00:00:50] Brett: [00:00:50] It’s not the COVID though. [00:00:52]Christina: [00:00:52] No, it’s not the COVID. [00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Okay. I, the reason I had originally moved the appoint or our [00:01:00] scheduled recording time was because I had an eye exam and I hate like, my vision hasn’t changed in 10 years, maybe 20 years. I haven’t, I haven’t changed my prescription since like high school. And. Yeah. And to order contacts, I have to have an exam every two years. [00:01:22] So I keep every two years I called order my contacts and they say, you have to have an eye appointment. And I say, okay. And I go in and they push a bunch of, they dilate my eyes and puff air in them and everything. And then I can’t see you for half a day and nothing ever changes. And yeah, so I couldn’t, here’s what I realized today though, when my eyes are dilated, I’ve always put my contacts back in before I leave. [00:01:50] But today I wore glasses and it turns out when my eyes are fully dilated. I can’t see close up with my glasses on, but if I take them off, I’m fine. I [00:02:00] always thought I was just completely blind for a few hours after dilation. Do you wear glasses? Does any of this make any sense to you? [00:02:07] Christina: [00:02:07] no, it makes complete sense to me. Okay. So I’m pretty nearsighted. I’m like. I don’t know my, my, my, my vision. Isn’t great. Um, and I’ve been wearing contact lenses since I was eight years old. So, um, I do have a prescription for glasses, but I haven’t had them filled in forever. So my glasses, if I could even find them are terrible, like they wouldn’t work, but, um, My, my, my, uh, new usually stays about the same. [00:02:35] I think I’m on negative six. Um, so not super good. Uh, but like it could be worse or whatever. I do totally understand what you mean about the having the dilated people’s stuff. And even when they gave me like the reverse drops, it still takes a while. And it’s hard because what’ll happen is that first my vision will come back a little bit and then it’s focusing on like stuff that’s up close that becomes [00:03:00] like really, really difficult, at least for me. [00:03:04] Um, so, so like, My vision. I don’t know if yours is the same way. Like I can see up close normally, like great. It’s when you get more than, I don’t know, 12 inches away that I started to have problems [00:03:15] Brett: [00:03:15] Yeah, I do. I do. Okay. Up to 12 inches. I’m the opposite of a cat. Did you know cats are blind within a butter for their face? [00:03:22] Christina: [00:03:22] did not, but yeah, I’m the opposite. I too am the opposite of a cat. [00:03:26] Brett: [00:03:26] Yeah. It’s it’s like you ever, if you’ve ever held a treat out in your hand for a cat and they just like stare at you blankly, but if you toss it on the floor, they’ll go grab it. It’s because they can’t see your hand. [00:03:39] Christina: [00:03:39] That’s interesting. [00:03:40] Brett: [00:03:40] that, and they’re assholes. I mean, they [00:03:42] Christina: [00:03:42] well, I was going to say that’s yeah, I’ve never owned a cat, but that’s, that was the thing I’ve understood more. Right? Is, is it the they’re just assholes, but I too am the opposite of the cat and it’s this sort of thing where my vision it’s, I mean, it’s is bad to the point that. [00:03:58] Like if I don’t have my contacts [00:04:00] in, or if I didn’t have glasses, I would not be able to walk around or, or do things like it would be like a safety issue [00:04:07] Brett: [00:04:07] Yeah. Yeah, me too. Um, I’m not, um, it’s, it’s not like I could survive if it were an apocalypse and I could no longer get new contacts and eventually mine wore out and I broke my glasses, which I always assume will be okay. One of the things that we’ll be dealing with. I assume that if there is an, uh, a pock apocalyptic occurrence, the first thing that will happen to me is my glasses will break. [00:04:32] It’ll be like that Twilight episode, but the guy who just wants to read books, and then he breaks his glasses at the end of the world. Anyway, um, I could survive, like I can see the zombies coming. I just, I can’t focus on their faces. I can’t read street signs, uh, at all without my glasses. But in an apocalypse, I [00:04:53] Christina: [00:04:53] I mean, I’m, I’m way [00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] names are less important. [00:04:57] Okay. [00:05:00] [00:04:59] Christina: [00:04:59] Yeah, no, I think you’re probably right. In my case, I would absolutely not be able to survive. Like I like the zombies would be eating me. Like we were talking like fear of the walking dead situation, because not only would I not be able to see the street science, I wouldn’t be able to make out that it was a street sign. [00:05:13] Like it would just look like a fuzzy [00:05:16] Brett: [00:05:16] you wouldn’t be able to tell who is a zombie and who is just an out of focus blob. [00:05:20]Christina: [00:05:20] Absolutely not. Absolutely not. It’d be real bad. [00:05:23] Brett: [00:05:23] yeah, zombies did you know, prepping has become mainstream again, like it was always, it was like the American pastime for weirdos. And now since Corona virus hit, uh, these companies that sell underground bunkers and stuff have just, they’ve had to hire people to handle the demand. [00:05:44]Christina: [00:05:44] Interesting. That makes sense. I guess, with everything that’s happening, like I can see it coming back again because now we are actually in a situation, not where prepping makes sense. Cause it doesn’t, but where people were given, I guess, cover for their Hornish tenants. You know what I mean? [00:06:00] [00:05:59] Brett: [00:05:59] Yeah. [00:06:01] Christina: [00:06:01] They were like, Oh, well it actually is legitimately hard to buy toilet paper. [00:06:05] So I might as well build a bunker that also has a bunch of food stuff and other stuff, you know what I mean? [00:06:10] Brett: [00:06:10] Yeah. Oh, there’s a, uh, one of our discord members and I’m forgetting which one now, but, uh, their, their mom has an Etsy shop because she owns a cricket, a little dye cutter thing. And, uh, and she has shot glasses, pandemic shot glasses that have, uh, like there’s one with toilet paper on it. And one with the coronavirus molecule on it. [00:06:34] They’re, they’re clever. It makes me want to get a cricket. I’ve been seeing commercials for the correct. Hey, do you know what this is? [00:06:40] Christina: [00:06:40] No, I don’t. [00:06:41] Brett: [00:06:41] like a, it’s like a handy little dye cutter and you can just feed in your patterns. Designs, make stickers, greeting cards, like paper cut, greeting cards and everything. [00:06:52] It appeals to my crafty side. I have, I have piles of craft shit. I, I, I, [00:07:00] if I took more pictures, I would be a scrapbooker. But I just like making like custom cards for people’s birthdays, more than anything. [00:07:08]Christina: [00:07:08] Yeah, no, that makes sense. And I was going to say, this does kind of fit with what you’re talking about. Like with your crafty side of that I know about you do like you do woodworking and other stuff. I don’t do that sort of stuff at all. Like that is, I wish. Actually, I don’t know. I guess I, if I were good at it, it would be one thing. [00:07:24] Um, I’m not, so I don’t have it, but it’s weird because the rest of my family. All is like my dad, I guess, less so, but he does have the skills to do it. If he needed to, my mom is pretty good. Um, she, but she likes it a lot. My sister both likes it and is incredibly talented at it. Like insanely insanely talented. [00:07:45] She’s very artistic in similar ways that you’re artistic, like very like full on right brain side, whereas I’m artistic, but it’s, it’s different. Like it. Like I’m good at, at abstract types of art and [00:08:00] stuff where I can be precise with it. But if I was trying to cut something specifically or whatever, like I would be really worried about making sure that it was exactly just so, and like, you know, you need a certain amount of, uh, what’s the word, I guess like, like trust in yourself to be able to be fluid and, and do certain things. [00:08:18] And I’m like, Oh no, I, I would be, you know, not able to draw like a perfect circle. [00:08:25] Brett: [00:08:25] that’s the thing is you’re a perfectionist too. Which makes it hard to get started. You have to be willing to make a mess. [00:08:32]Christina: [00:08:32] Yeah. That’s true. [00:08:33] Brett: [00:08:33] this however leads me to, so Harold Dina and are in our discord. Shared this YouTube channel called the craftsmen with there’s no T just CRF, S M I N steady Crafton. And it’s this guy who he, he, he’s only on camera as a puppet and he has this strong, like by you accent and almost [00:09:00] unintelligible at points, but he does like everything from, uh, making rubber. [00:09:07] Figurines to a more complex craft. Yeah, I got lost in it for like an hour yesterday. Uh, I had it playing in the background and it ended up stealing my focus. What do you call that? Like a YouTube hole. A tube hole. [00:09:25] Christina: [00:09:25] Yeah. To pull a tube K hole, I guess. [00:09:27] Brett: [00:09:27] You’re right. Yeah. It’s uh, it, it, I dunno. It’s fascinating. It’s it’s it’s weird. It’s weird. [00:09:36] Yeah. [00:09:36] Christina: [00:09:36] I can, I can see like getting into that kind of content. And then the funny thing is, I’m sure, like once you see one of those things, the algorithm, like you just see more and more and more and more like you were saying. And now for like the [00:09:48] Brett: [00:09:48] Pretty soon. You’re a radical crafts person. [00:09:50] Christina: [00:09:50] recommended to you. Right, right. No, but, but even beyond that, like the thing is, is that okay? You know, cause we’re ADHD. So we, our interest shift to [00:10:00] something else. And then what happens is it’s like, okay, well now, um, I forgotten about this, but YouTube is going to keep reminding me every couple of weeks, once people post something about it. [00:10:11] And so I’ll be reminded every few weeks. Oh, remember the time I went down that hole, do I want to continue to care about [00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] right. Right, right now, YouTube basically only recommend science and atheism videos to me. Uh, we had to make sure that our TB had a separate account set up for L because I was getting recommendations for like, um, home spinning and darning socks and things that were not of interest to me. Um, none of this stuff I watch will ever lead to radicalization though, although that’s not true, I guess atheism could be considered radical by some people. Science science could be considered Brown [00:10:55] Christina: [00:10:55] totally. I mean, you could just become like, you could be a comedy, like a [00:11:00] truly committed, like, and then there’s like alternative sciences stuff. Like there, there are a lot of holes that you could go down if people like, believe it or not. [00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] I go down the holes that, that dis debunk I good. I watch a lot of debunking videos on alternatives. Um, [00:11:17] Christina: [00:11:17] yeah, I watched those two, although the skeptic community pisses me off because they get into their own drama, which is sometimes interesting, but oftentimes it’s just not, [00:11:26] Brett: [00:11:26] react reaction videos to reaction videos too. Yeah, they get, they get old fast [00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] Yeah, I recently, I recently went down a hole of like, there’s like the, there’s a, there’s the anti MLM movement, which, you know, sounds like a good thing. [00:11:42] Um, except it kind of turned into something where I’m not really sure if any of these women are actually anti MLM or some of them have been in an MLM. Some of them haven’t been, but it then just kind of turned into a bunch of them, like having reaction videos to. You know, people in MLMs making videos. [00:11:58] And then there was like drama with it where [00:12:00] somebody who was big in the anti MLM community was like, why I’m no longer anti MLM. And then that became a whole thing. Anyway, I waste, I wasted like a whole part of my Saturday trying to figure out if I cared about the drama enough or not. And I think my takeaway was no I don’t. [00:12:17] And also anybody who, like, I am such a. Like fervent anti MLM, pyramid scheme person, other than like, when someone pulls off a really good one and then I’m like, Oh, that’s actually interesting. Uh, but, but I’m so anti, like, I could never get sucked into that. You know what I mean? That it’s, um, it, I was like, yeah, no, I kind of think everybody is terrible, except like maybe the people who really were in it got pulled out of it and are trying to warn others. [00:12:44] But I feel like the people who are like, I’m no longer anti MLM because the community is toxic. I’m like, Okay. You’re you’re bad. And also you were making these videos just to get clicks, which was weird, but anyway, so are you, we’re going to make a segue before I went into a [00:12:57] Brett: [00:12:57] was I, because I have a new one, [00:13:00] CBS, CBS reports that this guy that the FBI. I was about to arrest for a Ponzi scheme, uh, tried to escape using an underwater scooter that likes submerges and can go four miles an hour at a depth of 100 feet. And he jumped in a Lake and tried to get away underwater. So they just followed the bubbles and waited for him to come back up. [00:13:24] It was a delightful story. Yeah. [00:13:26] Christina: [00:13:26] uh, that is delightful. I love that so much. [00:13:32] Brett: [00:13:32] Fucking Lake [00:13:34] Christina: [00:13:34] a Lake, I mean, but just imagine like your getaway thing, like, you’re like, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna escape capture by escaping underwater in my Lake because that goes four miles an hour. Cause the police can’t just drive around the [00:13:45] Brett: [00:13:45] right. Or walk. [00:13:47] Christina: [00:13:47] Right, right, right, right. [00:13:48] I mean, obviously they, they could walk faster than like that, that thing is going, but like, I love that. And he’s like, Oh, uh, yeah, that, that that’ll show them, like, what would your scenario even be in that case? Like, even in a [00:14:00] best case situation, like how much water would you have to have, where that could be like, unless you have your own real legit submarine. [00:14:07] And even then like, you’re going to have to come up for air at some point and people are going to be there, like. Wait, what are you going to like, just, just traverse under water until you get to The Bahamas and, and are technically on foreign soil or something? Like, what are you doing? [00:14:22] Brett: [00:14:22] Yeah, no, it’s, it’s ridiculous. But that’s also his Ponzi, same scheme. He sounded pretty lame. Like he owned a legitimate company, but then came up with this. Up vesting thing where he, he just had people give him money that he promised was going to an algorithm that would reinvest it for them, but there wasn’t, he was just taking their money. [00:14:42] So it’s [00:14:42] Christina: [00:14:42] Oh, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it is. No that, no, no, no. That is actually a legit Ponzi scheme. So the origins of the term Ponzi scheme goes back to Charles Ponzi, who it was a very classic, you know, robbing Peter to pay Paul thing. And so he was, uh, he claimed that he would [00:15:00] use arbitrage to buy postal reply coupons, which were a thing back in the day, which basically would. [00:15:05] Let you use postage regardless of what country you were in. So if you lived in, uh, and this was, you know, in the 1920s, so this is back when you had a lot of immigrants. And so if you lived in say Italy and you were trying to send money or send, you know, something to the United States and you didn’t have a us postage, you could use one of these postage reply coupons that would. [00:15:27] Apply kind of universally. And the thing is, is that because, um, stamped prices differed place to place, even though, um, you couldn’t exchange the postal client reply coupons for money, right? Uh, Ponzi thought. He was like, Oh, well, if I bought enough of these things, I could then exchange them for stamps and then find a way to convert those stamps into money. [00:15:48] And if I did this, depending on what the price of stamps were, you know, in different markets, like I could create arbitrage and create money out of this. Uh, it could maybe work, but it actually turned out that the global supply of [00:16:00] postal supply coupons was, was so small that you wouldn’t really be able to make money. [00:16:04] But instead, what he was doing is he was telling people that he could double the money. And I think like 12 weeks or six weeks or something. And so basically he was saying, um, if you, within a certain period of time, I’ll give you 150% of your investment. And if you let it roll, it’ll be 200% of your investment and you can, you can go beyond that. [00:16:23] And so. He thought that he could figure out a way to actually make money at this time. He couldn’t. And, uh, you know, during the summer of 1922 or something, he wound up, you know, fleecing the city of Boston and even a little bit beyond that out of, you know, millions and millions of dollars before it was brought down. [00:16:42] But yeah, that’s what this guy was doing. It’s like, that’s like the most classic Ponzi thing. Oh, I’m investing your money this way, but really no, I’m just taking your money and then. Pain earlier investors with, uh, with the money that comes in from the new people. [00:16:57] Brett: [00:16:57] so how do you [00:17:00] wait, you know, stuff, right? Like someone says Ponzi scheme and you can rattle off, like, this is the origin of Ponzi. This is how do do you spend a lot of time, like reading? How do you retain all of this information? [00:17:14] Christina: [00:17:14] Well, yeah, so I read a lot, um, in this case I read a book called Ponzi scheme, gosh, 13 years ago. Um, it actually might’ve even been an audible book that I listened to, which I think might’ve helped in that case. And I found the topic really interesting and it went through the whole thing and I’ve actually listened to that audio book more than once. [00:17:34] Um, because it was a really good story. Uh, Michelle Zuckoff is the author and it’s, it’s a really, really good story. It’s actually just for a brief tangent. Um, not only does it give you the whole life history of Charles Ponzi and his scheme, but also it sort of intersects it with the guy who ultimately like the newspaper that uncovered the whole thing and, and sort of the, uh, the publisher’s son [00:18:00] who was. [00:18:01] Kind of a fuck up. And his dad became like in terms and he had to sort of take over the family business, which at the time was like the biggest newspaper in Boston and everybody thought he was a fuck up. And he actually wound up being the publisher and supporting the paper and the reporters who uncovered all of this. [00:18:19] And, and so it’s, but there’s sort of interesting parallels between his life and Charles Ponzi, his life, um, uh, Which is, which is fascinating, but, uh, yeah, I read a lot. And then if it’s interesting to me, even if I’ve only read it once, it’s usually one of those things where I just retain it, I just will not forget the even. [00:18:38] The my new details, but in, in the Ponzi case, that’s one that I think I’ve listened to the book, you know, twice. And, um, and I obviously read a lot about, um, uh, Bernie Madoff and I think that was the catalyst for me originally listening to the book. So it was 2008, I guess, was, you know, made off. And, um, I I’ve looked into like other people who’ve done that stuff and, [00:19:00] uh, I don’t know, I found the Ponzi story, just so fascinating, just what he was doing and the way he was doing it. [00:19:05] And, um, there was also a bunch of stuff with how he was trying to kind of stay one step ahead of the banks and other things, because, you know, he was trying to prove a solvency when he really didn’t have it. And this was before there was FEIC suffer banks. And so his attempt at getting ahead of things was he was literally trying to buy ownership of one of the banks so that he could then Rob money from the banks to pay off his, his stuff, you know? [00:19:27] Uh, like there’s just a whole bunch of layers to it, but [00:19:30] Brett: [00:19:30] It’s not just Ponzi though. Like you, you basically, every week you’re able to do this. You’re able to wow. Me with how much, you know, about some thing that like, I’ve read about what I have now. I’m nowhere near the depth of knowledge that you do about stuff. It’s very impressive. I don’t think there’s anything, uh, uh, weird about that. [00:19:52] It’s it’s really impressive. You have a mind like a trap. [00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] That’s kind of it. Right. Um, I, I, I don’t know. I go [00:20:00] into little holes, kind of like what we do and if I was interested in something, I typically won’t forget it. Uh, that’s not universally true, but it’s, it’s true enough, especially if I don’t know if I can find a way to, if there’s like an interesting narrative around it, um, I can usually retain it forever, [00:20:16] Brett: [00:20:16] I, I forget stuff so quickly that like one year after a TV show comes out, I can decide to binge watch it and be halfway through it. Before I realized I already watched the whole thing. Yeah, I could do that with game of Thrones. Right now I could start game of Thrones and it would be like a whole new series to me. [00:20:35] Christina: [00:20:35] Yeah, well, that’s the thing. I mean, the issue with me is like, it does require a guest prolonged attention. So if it’s one of those things where like game of Thrones is actually a good example where I didn’t ever get super, super into it. So if I were to watch it again, I would need to go back and like watch really closely and not have my phone near me and not be doing other shit so that I could absorb it otherwise. [00:20:58] I’m like, Oh yeah. I [00:21:00] remember some of these plot lines, but I don’t remember the whole thing. [00:21:02] Brett: [00:21:02] I’m uh, I talked, uh, I finally talked L into watching Ted lasso. [00:21:07] Christina: [00:21:07] yes. [00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] I am, I am, she’s loving it. And I am at that annoying point where I still remember everything so well that I can like say lines before people say them, uh, which I know is annoying and I try not to do it, but there are some lines that you like, you still look forward to, especially, especially his responses to Nathan the, the attack. [00:21:29] A kit kit kit, man. Um, yeah, like it’s some of his lines they’re so Ned Flanders Z, but just they’re delightful. [00:21:40] Christina: [00:21:40] they are delightful. Yeah. I finally got grant to watch it too. And he also really, really liked it. Um, and it like, he, I don’t know what his holdup was. I honestly, I should have just led with the fact that like Brett liked it. Cause he takes your opinion much more seriously than mine. [00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] Okay. That’s funny because there are a lot of times that L will take your opinion more seriously than mine. [00:22:00] Oh, Christina said it was good. Well then. [00:22:05] Christina: [00:22:05] Yeah, that was, I mean, cause honestly I think that I should have just led him. I was like, Oh, well, no, you know, Brett likes this a lot. Then he would be like, Oh, I’ll watch it. And he finally did. And he was like, Oh yeah, this is really good. Sad news on that though. Olivia Wilde and Jason’s today Sudeikis apparently have [00:22:18] Brett: [00:22:18] I saw that and I normally don’t care about that kind of thing, but I, I ha I had a, uh, an affection for Olivia Wilde. Uh, just her movie career has, she’s had a lot of movies that have, uh, been important to me. Um, and Jason, who Dick is. Primarily because of Ted lasso. So suddenly I cared about this, but it said, it said in whatever people magazine, I was reading that it was an amicable split and that their kids were coming first. [00:22:46] And it seemed like they never actually got married. Did they? [00:22:51] Christina: [00:22:51] no, no, [00:22:51] Brett: [00:22:51] were like engaged for seven years or whatever. [00:22:54] Christina: [00:22:54] yeah, they’ve been together almost a decade. And they were engaged for like seven years. Yeah. It seems like all things considered, [00:23:00] I don’t think there’s any drama with it. Uh, and they were even photographed like, In September, like together on the beach, like kind of frolicking in the ocean. [00:23:08] And a couple of weeks ago, he was asked about her, about the movies that she’s directing and stuff. And he was really complimentary. And I think she was complimentary of him in a recent thing too. So there doesn’t seem to be any drama at all, which I love, but that almost makes me sadder because I really liked them together. [00:23:27] Brett: [00:23:27] Yeah. [00:23:28] Christina: [00:23:28] Like, I’m really glad that, that it’s not anything bad that I don’t have to be mad at either one of them. Cause I looked, I liked them both a lot. Um, uh, like you, I think, uh, her I’ve just, I followed her film career for a long time. Uh, I think, uh, Booksmart was one of the best films, you know, in the last few years. [00:23:44] Uh, I’m really looking forward to the next thing she’s directing. Like I think that. She’s also a really good actress who she’s one of those actresses who, I don’t think she got enough roles, to be honest, just because she’s so pretty that it, like, I think it works against her in some ways. [00:24:00] Uh, but um, her directing career is great. [00:24:03] She’s always, you know, I I’ve always liked her interviews. I did interview her one time and. I’m pretty sure. I, she I’m sure does not remember, but made a total ass of myself. Cause it was during South by Southwest and the publicist reached out to me at like 9:00 PM and was like, do you want to interview the cast of drinking buddies? [00:24:23] And at this point I’d been drinking for several hours. And so I was like, sure. So I go and it’s like her and as Anna Kendrick, and it’s Ron Livingston and it’s another guy whose name I can’t remember. And I just kept saying to Anna Kendrick. She’s so pretty like that was basically [00:24:40] Brett: [00:24:40] but that Anna Kendrick was so pretty [00:24:42] Christina: [00:24:42] no, that [00:24:43] Brett: [00:24:43] that, Oh, [00:24:46] Christina: [00:24:46] like, like in a Kendrick’s very pretty [00:24:48] Brett: [00:24:48] she is. I think she’s prettier than Olivia personally, but, but I [00:24:53] Christina: [00:24:53] Oh, wow. Interesting. Okay. But, well, and Anna Kendrick, as I [00:24:56] Brett: [00:24:56] not, let’s not spend the episode rating women. [00:24:59] Christina: [00:24:59] We’re not, [00:25:00] we’re not, I’m just saying I think the [00:25:01] Brett: [00:25:01] That was bad. [00:25:02] Christina: [00:25:02] but I think, I think in a critic was one of those things where she was like, uh, she was being nice. I’m sure she was like, who is this drunk bitch? But she was just like, yeah, she is like, she was like, totally in agreement with me. [00:25:10] She was nice about it. But yeah, that was, that was not my finest moment, but also don’t reach out to me at 9:00 PM for an interview at South by Southwest. Um, [00:25:20] Brett: [00:25:20] Or, or much of anything. [00:25:22] Christina: [00:25:22] I mean, [00:25:22] Brett: [00:25:22] No one should be reaching out at 9:00 PM. That’s for booty calls. That’s how old I am. 9:00 PM is what other people think of is like midnight. [00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] but yeah, no. So I hope everything is good with, with them and that there isn’t drama, but yeah, I was sad to see that, um, [00:25:40] Brett: [00:25:40] we supposed to talk about Booksmart because I remember you mentioned it. And then I did the homework. I went and watched it, but I can’t remember if we ever talked about it. [00:25:50] Christina: [00:25:50] I don’t think we ever did. [00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Oh, we should have, we should have talked about it closer to when I had watched it because my aforementioned memory problems have already, like, I remember liking it. [00:25:59] I [00:26:00] remember a couple of scenes from it, but I can’t speak to it as a, as a whole anymore. [00:26:05] Christina: [00:26:05] Yeah, no, I mean, I really, I mean it just for, for, uh, listeners, it’s, it’s kind of. Uh, usurps the trope of, you know, kind of the coming of age, you know, film, you know, that usually is about teenage boys, but it’s about teenage girls who a, their friendship is really great, but B you know, I don’t know. I think I thought it represented actual, you know, what it’s like to be a teenage girl and not a super popular teenage girl and like, uh, but also not like an unpopular, you know what I mean? [00:26:31] Just like a normal girl, like really well, it was really funny. [00:26:34] Brett: [00:26:34] And also it’s, it’s not about the nerve becoming the prom queen [00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Not at all, not at all, because like it understands, it reminded me in a lot of ways. It’s very different. And from a total sense, like completely different, but it reminded me a lot. And, and beanie Feldstein was, was in Ladybird as well. [00:26:51] But it did remind me similarly of, of lady bird, even though they’re very different. Totally. Did you ever see that? [00:26:56] Brett: [00:26:56] I did not. [00:26:58] Christina: [00:26:58] Okay, lady bird is [00:27:00] excellent. Um, Greta Gerwig, uh, shisha, Ronan, uh, Timothy chalet, uh, and, uh, and BFL scene. That was like her first. Kind of breakout role. Um, and, uh, it’s, uh, it’s sort of autobiographical, I think about Greta Gerwig. [00:27:15] Um, it resonated with me a lot because I’m basically the exact same age as the character and it took place in like 2002 and, um, which makes it period, but not, I mean, it’s really good. Um, uh, what’s her name? Uh, Allison Janney. Uh, no, not Allison Janney. Um, Yeah, I think it’s w it’s either Allison Janney. No, it was Laurie Metcalf when we met coffee plays. [00:27:38] Uh, sure, sure. Ronan’s mom. It’s a really, it’s good. I would recommend watching that for sure. [00:27:42] Brett: [00:27:42] I like how confidently you say Serratia? Look, I always questioned my pronunciation on that. [00:27:49] Christina: [00:27:49] Oh, I do too, but I finally got it because she like, her career has just taken off. And so she’s been on TV so much and I would feel bad about saying it wrong. Cause I had [00:28:00] no idea how to say her name for like years. [00:28:02] Brett: [00:28:02] Yeah, well, I sure on a, on a talk show explaining how to say her name and even after that, I was never sure I was getting it right. [00:28:11] Christina: [00:28:11] Yeah. Yeah. It was probably the same thing we did. It was probably the Graham Norton show clip or something. But, um, anyway, uh, you wrote, you wanted to talk to me about Frazier. [00:28:21] Brett: [00:28:21] Oh, well, so this all started with what kind of with you had suggested watching succession. And I found myself unable to care about all these rich people. And I did not give it too much of a chance. Uh, I watched it in the background while doing some freelance work and it just, it didn’t hook me. And I was thinking in my head, I just don’t care about rich people, but then so L to fall asleep for the last [00:29:00] few years, she just turns on Frasier. [00:29:02] On on Hulu and falls asleep to it, which [00:29:07] Christina: [00:29:07] It’s good. Fall asleep. Uh, TB. [00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] well, and she has like the whole Siri’s memorized and she doesn’t need to see the screen. She just knows what’s happening. And so I decided, Hey, if you’re so into it still, let’s give it a shot. And now it’s become my. Favorite like last show of the evening to watch, you know, like watch one new good show and then, all right. [00:29:33] And let’s have a Frasier and it’s become, it’s like for TV, [00:29:37] Christina: [00:29:37] Yeah, no, I [00:29:38] Brett: [00:29:38] so good. Like, I can’t believe how well it’s held up compared to some of the other sitcoms from its time. And even from after its time, even early 2000 sitcoms that haven’t held up nearly as well. [00:29:52]Christina: [00:29:52] Yeah, this is okay. Yeah, grant loves it. And I have to be honest. Um, I’ve watched it, but I’ve never watched it [00:30:00] like seriously. And you’re, I think probably the third person that I’ve heard this from recently. So I’m going to have to go through and watch Frasier again and give it another shot. Um, I think that my, I don’t know. [00:30:11] I think when I was a kid, when it came on and I always just kind of found it boring. Um, [00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. I could see that. [00:30:19] Christina: [00:30:19] I, I think that now I would like it a lot more. And when I have watched episodes, I’ve enjoyed it. And so I think I could get sucked into it. Uh, it is interesting though, because I’ve heard the same thing from others that it’s held up really well, but I know what you mean about those, like the last show, just the comfort TV to watch at the end of the night, like for grant and I, for many, many years, because adult swim would play King of the Hill. Um, we would watch that. And the thing is, is that because when we used to live on the East coast, You know, they would have the episodes at like 10:00 PM, but then they would come back around again at like 1:00 AM. And because we would always be, you know, awake, you know, you could, you could catch it again. [00:30:54] And then, and then it got later and later, so it got to the point where it was like, okay, well, the next one will be at 5:00 AM. Right. And [00:31:00] so if you’re up really late, then, then you’re, you’re still able to catch the King of the Hill. And, and that’s one of those where. Grant that’s that’s Grant’s favorite show. [00:31:08] He introduced me to that when we first started dating and then I fell in love with it. It was another one of those shows that, I mean, it was still on technically when we got together, but it was on its last legs. And it was one of those that I’d never really watched. I’d watch it. I think the first couple of episodes and because I liked Mike judge from Beavis and Butthead, but I never really got into it. [00:31:27] And then I did, and I was like, Oh, this is a great show. And it is like, it’s, it’s held up really well in terms of. Cartoons. And even just in terms of kind of like family, like sit-com types, like it’s actually held up really well. So I know what you mean. That’s one of those, one of my favorite shows ever it’s on my plaques, but it’s not on streaming anywhere is news radio. [00:31:50] And that’s one that I think that would be like a good comfort show that I could like watch over over again. [00:31:57] Brett: [00:31:57] All right. Well, if you, uh, if you give Frazier a [00:32:00] try, pay attention to the character Roz and how she owns her, her kind of, um, Pally, Amherst, uh, her, she, she. Sleeps with a lot of guys and she owns it completely and like, They make fun of her a little bit, but there’s not a lot of shame around it. It’s kind of, I would say for its time, pretty progressive, but also pay attention to Niles Frazier’s brother, because if you don’t specifically realize his physical comedy is so on point it’s it’s so good and so intrinsic to his character that you might not even notice, but watch his physical comedy. [00:32:44] It’s hilarious. [00:32:45]Christina: [00:32:45] Nice. Now I will definitely check that out. And I think David Hyde Pierce won a number of like Emmys and awards and stuff for that. So that makes sense. But yeah, I will definitely give it a shot now. And, uh, we can talk about it in the future, but actually I think this is a good segue because [00:33:00] speaking about things that kind of like get us into a good Headspace [00:33:03] Brett: [00:33:03] Oh my God. [00:33:03] Christina: [00:33:03] to sleep [00:33:05] Brett: [00:33:05] That was, uh, that was, uh, a Primo Primo segue because life can be stressful. Even under normal circumstances. 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Headspaces approach to mindfulness can reduce stress improve sleep and boost focus, uh, as well as increase your overall sense of wellbeing. [00:34:18] I, uh, I use, uh, so it has two different, well, probably more than two, but it has two different sleep kind of features that I use. Uh, which I think is appropriate for overtired. it has these wind down like five minutes of mindfulness to end your day and prepare you for sleep. And they’re great, to do as you fall asleep, but they also have these like, uh, soundtracks. [00:34:45]and like stories and reading that, uh, like I like to fall asleep to audio books, but then I spend a lot of time rewinding because I do fall asleep to them. Um, so these are more like, uh, it has the effect of an audio book with, uh, with nice, like [00:35:00] there’s one, that’s, uh, a rainy antique it’s rainy, antique something, but it’s basically, uh, like, uh, On evening street sound with, with light rain and then a soothing voice over the top of it. [00:35:13] And I honestly don’t even know what the voice says cause I fall asleep so fast to it. Um, but they also have focused soundtracks for while you’re working. Have you used it? [00:35:23] Christina: [00:35:23] I’ve used the app and it’s one of those things where I have a hard time getting into, I guess, a meditation’s place, even though I know that I should, because my mind is always running and like, literally it’s always running. And so I, um, have used it before and I was surprised because I was actually kind of skeptical. [00:35:39] I was like, I don’t know if this is going to do anything. And it really did like kind of get me to that place where I could kind of block out my thoughts. And not have my mind running all the time. And I find that really helpful actually. [00:35:50] Brett: [00:35:50] Yeah, totally. I mindfulness in general has been a, especially for someone with ADHD. Uh, it’s been a very good, uh, non [00:36:00] non-medication, uh, help for me, but, uh, you deserve to feel happier. And Headspace is meditation made simple. Go to headspace.com/overtired. That’s headspace.com/overtired. And you can get a free one month trial. [00:36:17] Uh, this is the best deal offered right now. So head over to headspace.com/over tired today. [00:36:24] so you, you, uh, you were talking last week that you were going to get a PlayStation. How’s that gone? [00:36:32] Christina: [00:36:32] Successful, except it’s not in my hand yet. And I just, as we were doing, our sponsor read was trying to buy another one. Uh, and I was unsuccessful. Uh, so. I was successfully able to get a PlayStation five, but it will not be here until next week, but I was able to successfully get two other PlayStation, five search to other people, and those have arrived to them. [00:36:52] So I’m, I’m the last one to get it. I also. Because I had to get them from different places. So I got mine from Costco [00:37:00] and Simone’s came directly from Sony. So she got hers first and Kelly’s came from Anton line. And, um, I just tried to get one direct from Sony and it wasn’t taking my credit card. And then when I was trying to fiddle with that, it came up and gave me errors and it went out of stock. [00:37:14] So I literally lost it by like half a second, which is frustrating, but that’s fine. Um, I, I don’t need this. I was just, I’m going to be honest. At this point, I was going to be a single, I was going to be a scalper. Um, or if I could have been convinced, otherwise I would have like shipped it to a friend who wanted one. [00:37:31] So. They were, they’d been incredibly hard to get it’s it’s stupid. And I managed to get three of them on my birthday, which was last Thursday. I also got an Xbox series X, which I’ve been playing a little bit and it’s really good. And, um, but I’ll, I’ll apparently get my PlayStation next week. So we’ll be able to talk more about it then, but for me, the bigger thing, if I’m doing, if I can be totally candid and I know this is awful. [00:37:56] But the thrill of just being able to successfully buy these impossible to [00:38:00] get consoles has been like a bigger high for me than playing the damn games. [00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] So why, why are they so hard to find what’s so great about them? [00:38:09] Christina: [00:38:09] There’s nothing that great about them. I think it’s just, they’re new. So they’re supply constraint for that because the factories aren’t able to make enough. And it actually is kind of dumb because there are very few games that are only available for the PlayStation right now. Like demon souls is basically, I think the only exclusive, I don’t think there are any exclusives for X-Box yet. [00:38:30] Uh, some of the games that are out are upgraded. So if you had a previous generation Xbox, um, you know, uh, One X or one S or if you had a PlayStation four, some of those games will run better and have better graphics on the PlayStation five, but they’re still available at both consoles. Realistically. [00:38:48] There’s not a reason to buy one of the new consoles right now, in my opinion, unless you’re in a situation where maybe it would be your first console, you’re trying to get, even then, honestly, [00:39:00] like, I think that for parents who are trying to get their kids, like a big Christmas gift, I get like the, the, the need, right? [00:39:06] Cause you want to, you’re not going to buy them the game console, you know, in March when we’re games are out, you want to go ahead and get it now. And then over time, you know, more games will come out. But, but for people who can wait, I don’t think there’s really a reason to, to rush out and do it except for the FOMO. [00:39:23] And, you know, quarantine has just. Exasperated that, um, add to that supply on all electronics are just bad right now. And I think partially some of that was due to pandemic back, uh, shortages. That’s basically, um, been fixed now, but there’s this one semiconductor factory, um, Taiwan, Taiwan, semiconductor, TSMC, who makes an in like. [00:39:49] Ordinate amount of these devices. So they are making the chips, the Silicon for the PlayStation five and the Xbox one X or not one X series X, [00:40:00] God, the names are so terrible. Uh, good job Microsoft. And they’re making Apple, uh, apples, um, Apple, Silicon chips. And they’re making the chips in both the new Nvidia and the new AMD graphics cards. [00:40:13] And I believe they’re also making the chips for the new Ryzen Zen three processors. So it’s one of these things where like this one Foundry is making like the proportion of Silicon for all these devices. And I don’t know how they’re going to keep up. So some of it is just, you know, one fab doing all the work. [00:40:31] And I think the bigger thing though, is that everybody’s stuck at home and. Like gadgets are a new thing again, and it’s the holiday season. So it’s just like a perfect storm. And then for me, not only do I have the gadget lost, but like, if you tell me, Oh, it’s impossible to buy this thing, I’m going to be like, watch me. [00:40:49] Uh, and because it becomes like a, because it becomes like a personal affront to me. I’m like, I refuse. So [00:40:57]Brett: [00:40:57] I’m glad you’re on my side. [00:40:58]Christina: [00:40:58] Totally. Uh, I, I [00:41:00] became good at this during, um, Earlier part of pandemic when, um, Nintendo switches were really hard to get and everybody wanted to play animal crossing. And I made friends with some teens who let me into a discord where somebody, somebody had a bot that follows certain links and would just ping stuff a bunch and would see, okay, when is it in stock? [00:41:19] So it wasn’t like a full checkout bot, but it was just like kind of an in-stock bot and then would send notifications to the discord to let us know. And I was able to score. Like 10 and to no switches for people during, uh, like during a, you know, an April w like when there was like peak, no need to know switches available at all. [00:41:38] And so, because of that, even though I don’t have the same, uh, you know, step up for, for the PlayStation, um, I’ve become good at knowing the places to check and like the stuff to keep an eye on. So that’s given me an advantage. [00:41:51] Brett: [00:41:51] some mobile console just got discontinued that wasn’t the switch. Was it [00:41:56] Christina: [00:41:56] no, I have no idea what it was. [00:42:00] [00:42:00] Brett: [00:42:00] Yeah. See that that’s how much I, I don’t know. I like, I read the news, I read the news article, but I have no idea what anything is. [00:42:07] Christina: [00:42:07] it might’ve been the, it might’ve been the 3d S they finally officially discontinued that. Um, but yeah. But yeah, I mean, I mean, it’s good. Like the, the consoles are good. It’s just, there’s really no games for them that are going want a hundred percent take advantage of the features. Like I, I, as an adult grown person don’t need it, but I’m dealing with pandemic by buying things and, and buying my way out of my feelings. [00:42:31] Also on that note, we’re back under like house arrest, basically the state of Washington, there’s a state order that they’ve like, reimplemented quarantine. So. [00:42:41]Brett: [00:42:41] yeah, I heard that whole coronavirus thing was getting out of hand. [00:42:46] Christina: [00:42:46] Yeah, exactly. I mean, on the one hand, I’m really glad that the state is taking it seriously. And a friend of mine who works at Harbor view medical, which is one of Seattle’s big hospitals has, he’s just been telling me how it’s been nuts, but on the other hand, Like I’ve already been [00:43:00] staying inside a ton and have been going stir crazy and have become a Gore phobic because of my lack of going out. [00:43:06] And now the enhanced measures are just gonna make it worse, but yeah, uh, cases are insane. And what are they like in, um, Minnesota? [00:43:13] Brett: [00:43:13] um, not good. There was something I’m actually looking at the numbers right now, but even in my little town here, there was like a thousand new cases this week, which is nuts. Um, the weather channel made it harder than it used to be, to find the eight. They used to have like a top top of. Count of like local numbers? [00:43:38] No, I can’t find it at all, but anyway, it’s horrible. And Minnesota was, was early on the train with the initial lockdown, but I think they’re super hesitant to try it again, which is like, things are getting bad and things are worse now than they were the first time they locked it down. So it’s only a matter of time. [00:43:58] Like I’m trying to get [00:44:00] my family to cancel, um, our big Christmas get together. Cause that’s. 15 people coming from three different States. And I think Minnesota is current guidelines don’t even allow it to happen. And I might be willing to say, well, you can bend the rules, everyone. Like everyone’s getting sick. [00:44:21] This is not the time, really to be messing around with that. [00:44:24]Christina: [00:44:24] No, it’s not. [00:44:25] Brett: [00:44:25] year. [00:44:26] Christina: [00:44:26] Yeah. And this is kind of how I feel because I miss my parents terribly, even though like, I want to be able to argue politics with them in person. Right. Like I wanna, like, I refuse to do it. Um, I refuse to do it like over the phone when I can’t see them. And when it’ll be more than a year, since I’ve been able to see them in person, like I refuse to do that. [00:44:45] And I, I just, I don’t know, it sucks, but I’m, I’m not going home. Like there’s no way, especially with how bad things are. Like, I think it’s irresponsible. My mom was telling me, so a friend of theirs, uh, he’s got diabetes and he has some other stuff. And I think he [00:45:00] might’ve even be like a, a cancer survivor. [00:45:02] And he’s definitely immunocompromised his granddaughter who’s in college, like came to visit him. She, um, got tested or whatever, I guess next couple of days, you know, she was sick. She had it. And obviously he got it. He fortunately, he was, he was able to find out pretty quickly and was given the right drugs and was able to recover, but like, She could have killed her grandfather, like not even being hyperbolic. [00:45:26] And I, I was just thinking about that. Like, because she came over on a Sunday wanting to, you know, hug them and have breakfast with them. And I’m like, what the hell is your problem? Like, you’re, you’re going to school as well as open your college student. Like, you feel like you’re invincible. Like I was telling my mom, cause my mom was sort of trying to not defend like the, the, the girl, but I guess not wanting to be as mean about it as I was. [00:45:49] And I was just like, Absolutely not like, like, fuck that girl, because I can’t even imagine. Um, you know, if I were 19. Deciding to go visit my [00:46:00] grandparents then like, I can’t even imagine even like, there’s no way and it’s not like, Oh, you, you, you would have been just as selfish. No, I wouldn’t have been like, I, you know, me at that age would have never in a million years been like, yes, it’s a good idea. [00:46:15] When this is happening for me to go visit my elderly, you know, immuno compromised grandfather. Like there’s no way in hell. Like you it’s like, especially back then. We didn’t even have FaceTime. Right. So back then, like, it was harder to have some sort of connection with people, but yeah, I just it’s, it’s shocking to me. [00:46:36] And then what’s really scaring me. I’m curious your take on this. Not only like our, like the States, do you mean to be more afraid of like reenacting lockdowns and whatnot, but people are like, are going into, even as cases go up and deaths go up, like people are just more than ever, like just being convinced that it’s not real. [00:46:55] Like, I read something the other day about a doctor who was [00:47:00] talking about how, you know, she has patients who some of their last words are like, this can’t be happening, who are still so much in denial, which just. [00:47:09] Brett: [00:47:09] Yeah, well, I think, I think people’s brains broke. I think like, it just got to be like, when this first started, everyone acted like this was going to be over in a month. Like when those first lockdowns happen, everyone’s like, Oh, it’s for a couple of weeks. We’ll we’ll, we’ll ride it out. Everything will be fine. [00:47:30] Now, seven months later, the fact that it’s only getting worse, I think breaks a lot of people’s brains and they’re just not, they don’t have the, the, the can do spirit to say, we’ll get through this. They just want to say we got through this. Nothing is real now. [00:47:51]Christina: [00:47:51] Yeah, no, I can believe that. And I can like, and I can like even, um, you know, Agree, like with that, like I, cause I feel a certain amount where I look, I, I [00:48:00] totally can empathize, I guess, with the fact that it’s like, okay, we’ve done all this stuff. We’ve had our lives disrupted. We’ve given up a year. Like there’s even a part of me that was kind of mad. [00:48:08] I was like, well, shit. If I knew this was just going to get worse, I should have just, you know, gone and visited my parents a couple of months ago. I should have just gotten on a plane then. Right. Like I should have just, you know, and like, Uh, so I, I, I understand that mindset. I understand like the anger and the frustration, but I mean, people are dying in front of you can’t deny that it’s not real. [00:48:29] I mean, I think you can be angry about it and be frustrated. And just like you said, your brain can break, but I just really am scared by the fact that it’s becoming almost mainstream and an almost acceptable position to have. That it’s not really happening and that it’s not that bad like that. That’s the thing that scares me having said that I do feel like if we, if the vaccines, you know, can’t be really tested and if they can’t get them produced fast enough, I do think that we are very, very perilously close to it being at the point [00:49:00] where it won’t be so much, the people you’ll still have some idiots who are like this isn’t real, but you’ll have people who are like, yeah, this is real. [00:49:06] And I don’t care. Who are at the point where they’re like, we’re, we’re, they’re like, yeah, I don’t actually care anymore. I, you know, like if I inadvertently kill someone or if I die myself, I will accept that risk because I can’t stay inside and be disrupted anymore. [00:49:21] Brett: [00:49:21] Well, and we’ve, we’ve had those people, but [00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] we have, but, but what I mean is I think it will become like a significant portion of people. [00:49:28] Like my fear is that it will be people who are even so, so to speak on our side. You know, like people who are reasonable, who will be at the point where they’re like, I can’t do this. [00:49:40] Brett: [00:49:40] it’s going to happen, but there are very promising vaccines right around the corner. Like next year we, we, we can see a light at the end of this tunnel. Uh, it, nothing is forever. That’s why I feel confident saying let’s skip this Christmas because there’s a very good chance by next Christmas. [00:50:00] [00:50:00] This could be okay. [00:50:02] Christina: [00:50:02] no, I agree with [00:50:02] Brett: [00:50:02] I don’t want to rush things. [00:50:04]Christina: [00:50:04] yeah, no, I’m I’m with you. Um, I don’t want to rush things either. I just I’m just concerned. Cause I just, I do feel like there is like a certain amount of. Um, people who are, it’s going to be like, okay, the longer this goes on, this is just going to be a problem. Um, and people are just gonna be like, I just don’t care. [00:50:26] Like does not matter how long this is. Like, like what the risks are rather like this has been going on too long and I can’t do this [00:50:33]Brett: [00:50:33] Yeah. Happy times. Happy, happy times, 20, 20. And everyone. Everyone is, everyone says fuck 2020. And I’m still, I’m still mad at 2016. So I just can’t wait to see what 20, 21 turns out like. [00:50:50]Christina: [00:50:50] I mean, never say never knock on wood, but like, I don’t know if, I mean, I guess everything could always possibly be worse, but [00:50:58] Brett: [00:50:58] Zombie apocalypse. [00:51:00] [00:51:00] Christina: [00:51:00] yeah, it it’s. I mean, that would be basically the only thing I think that could be worse, right. Would be. Okay, well that happened. Um, [00:51:10] Brett: [00:51:10] And then you’d have people picketing the zombie apocalypse saying it was a hoax [00:51:14] Christina: [00:51:14] you totally would. You would have, I was going to say you would have people literally, as the zombies are like biting into them being like, damn, that was real, you [00:51:23] Brett: [00:51:23] Some bees are socialists. [00:51:26] Christina: [00:51:26] freight. Oh, that’s exactly what they’d be like. It’s Antifa, Antifa. The zombie is that’s exactly what, what happened? We watched the walking dead. [00:51:32] That’s a bunch of rednecks, like yeah. [00:51:36] Brett: [00:51:36] Oh, it’s have you D are you still watching the walking dead? I there’s a new season. I think. But I no longer have, uh, whatever AMC, no longer. It wasn’t part of the cable package that I pirate. [00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] Right, right. Yeah. And they’re weird about how you can share access to stuff, but it eventually comes to Hulu [00:52:00] or Netflix or whatever, you know, I haven’t watched in years and I did like fear of the walking dead for awhile. I actually liked that one better. That one just started up again, but I haven’t watched that either. [00:52:09] So it’s yeah. [00:52:11] Brett: [00:52:11] I’ll I’ll admit like the last three seasons of the walking dead were more stressful than enjoyable to watch, but I still couldn’t stop going back. I was very into those characters, but having a couple years out now, since the last time I watched it, um, I’m hesitant to dive back into that world. It’s very stressful. [00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] I was going to say it’s very stressful and it also, I think feels just much more [00:52:38] Brett: [00:52:38] Little too real. [00:52:40] Christina: [00:52:40] Well, this is the problem, right? Like I actually saw at the beginning of all this, I watched a contagion, uh, and, and, you know, which is actually a good movie and I hadn’t seen it before or if I had, but I forgotten about it. [00:52:51] That was one of those that I’d kind of forgotten that I watched until I was like part way through it. And like, that was really good, but it was also one of those that is like, it was good morbid curiosity to watch at the [00:53:00] beginning of the whole stuff, but now I’d be like, Oh, I don’t know if I can deal with that right now. [00:53:04] Right. And walking dead. I feel like part of me would kind of want to get back into it. And part of me is like, yeah, this is just too real and too many bad things are happening. And when the sky is orange and you know, like you have a, a, a fascist would be dictator, who’s still like, you know, fighting back against being kicked out of office and your people dying. [00:53:28] And you have, you know, like, uh, Other, you know, like, uh, protests and violence in the streets and, and all the other shit. Like, I don’t know, man. I just, and I’m usually not the person who’s ever put off by any of that. Like, I’m usually like, yeah, the world is terrible and everything is awful. Let me watch something really depressing. [00:53:47] That’s not going to make anything worse for me, but I’m in this weird, this pandemic is send this to me where I’m like, it’s fucked up. My says where I can’t even be. Negative the way that I used to be negative because I actually am like, this [00:54:00] is too much for me. Like, I can’t enjoy dark content and I love dark content. [00:54:05] Like I love it. And I’m at the point where I’m like, all right, this is too much, even for me. [00:54:09] Brett: [00:54:09] Eric go Frazier. [00:54:11] Christina: [00:54:11] Exactly. So I’m going to, I’m going to pick that up. [00:54:15] Brett: [00:54:15] Do I need to get back into Westworld? [00:54:18]Christina: [00:54:18] I mean, I’m trying to remember now, this is one of the things, because that was, so that was actually, I think March. And I’m trying to remember. I remember I didn’t love the season and, but I don’t remember if I hated it. [00:54:30] Brett: [00:54:30] Fair enough. [00:54:31] Christina: [00:54:31] It didn’t, it didn’t stick out to me as the problem. Nothing has been as good as that first season though, is the real truth. [00:54:36] Brett: [00:54:36] yeah. Okay. That, that was, that was really, my question is if I love the first season, will I love season two? [00:54:45] Christina: [00:54:45] Oh no, it’s very different. And season three is even more different. So. [00:54:48] Brett: [00:54:48] Oh, wait. Did I see? I think, yeah, I saw the first two. I haven’t seen season three. [00:54:52] Christina: [00:54:52] okay. So yeah. So season three, I think it’s better than season two, but it’s still not season one is I believe how that happened. [00:55:00] Oh, and just a follow up before we finish. I don’t know if you saw this, but a get hub reinstated, a YouTube, um, DL. [00:55:07] Brett: [00:55:07] I did not see that. [00:55:09] Christina: [00:55:09] Yeah, they not only did they reinstate it, but they like wrote a whole blog post about how basically calling the RIA to the carpet without saying so explicitly talking about how they will have a different process for DMC downs that were done under the same rule. That the RIA use that we’re meaning that there’ll be an actual panel, that people will be able to appeal that even if something is taken down projects, we’ll be able to export their issues and, and other stuff, uh, as well as having a million dollar legal fund for, uh, projects and developers who might be caught up in that sort of stuff. [00:55:46] So they completely, you know, brought it back and, and they cited a, a letter that. The eff who apparently has been acting on behalf of the YouTube DL, um, uh, maintainers, uh, sent basically [00:56:00] kind of arguing their case. And I believe that they used the effs letter as like their legal cover for why they’re like, they feel comfortable reinstating the repository and not making any other changes. [00:56:11] So it’s, um, It’s it’s pretty good. I think the only thing that’s happened is that some of those links to some of those tests were removed. Um, like, you know, some of those, you know, that music videos or whatever were removed from that one testing [00:56:25] Brett: [00:56:25] sure. Yeah. [00:56:26] Christina: [00:56:26] um, but, but even at one point somebody had forked it and had also removed some sort of, uh, you know, key from Google to, to be able to log in and access stuff. [00:56:38] That commit was reverted, meaning they were like, no, you don’t have to remove that. Just remove the links to, you know, the, the music videos, but the key and the other stuff, like based on the eff, you know, appraisal of the situation, they were like, we don’t think this violates this specific section and that this was, you know, bullying and whatnot. [00:56:57] So it was actually kind of interesting that, [00:57:00] uh, not only did they go back, but like they went back hard. Like they were like, Nope. We’re not going to do this. And we’re going to like triple down basically on fighting against this in the future, which, um, well done GitHub. [00:57:14] Brett: [00:57:14] Yeah, that’s awesome. [00:57:16] Christina: [00:57:16] Yeah. [00:57:17] Brett: [00:57:17] Ha happy news to, to head into 2021 with [00:57:21] Christina: [00:57:21] I was going to say I was like one of the few good, good [00:57:23] Brett: [00:57:23] things are looking up. [00:57:25]Christina: [00:57:25] I mean, so this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, [00:57:28] Brett: [00:57:28] Yeah. All right. Well, I guess sleep well. [00:57:35] Christina: [00:57:35] Thank you. Thank you, you too. And, um, I will check out Frazier and you will maybe check out Westworld at some point. [00:57:43] Brett: [00:57:43] out. Frazier makes it sound like it’s something new. [00:57:46] Christina: [00:57:46] Well, I mean, it’s been a while since I’ve watched it, uh, and I’d never seen the whole series, so I, I we’ll see, we’ll get into that. But what I was going to say though, is I, I respect it that you weren’t able to get into succession, but I would say if at some point in the [00:58:00] future, if you’re just bored and you’re just looking, you can be more of mind of that. [00:58:04] I would try it again, [00:58:06] Brett: [00:58:06] I, I, I will give it a second. I will, I will, I will watch more than two episodes. And before I decide. [00:58:12] Christina: [00:58:12] Yeah. Cause, um, the second season especially is really good, but the more it goes on, like some of the characters, again, like you, you’re really not going to root for anyone. Uh, but there’s a certain joy in that, but I’d also, if you don’t get into it, that isn’t interesting thing. And maybe. I don’t know, there’s a lot of stuff in it that is very much, uh, real and in some ways, actually a sort of like PTSD inducing for, for media people. [00:58:38] But I would be interested in knowing like if maybe that just doesn’t translate to regular people as much, but, um, it’s, uh, I would be interested at some point if you watch like more than two episodes and like kind of, you know, get into it again, just cause I don’t know, there is something nice about just. [00:58:55] Objectively awful people and just sort of watching [00:59:00] them rebel and their awfulness. I don’t know. [00:59:02] Brett: [00:59:02] okay. Duly noted. [00:59:05]Christina: [00:59:05] all right. All right. Well, uh, we’ll get some sleep, Brett. [00:59:08] Brett: [00:59:08] Get some sleep, Christina.

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[00:00:07] Brett: [00:00:07] Oh, that was a really good intro. Like I feel like we finally are getting like the order of words, right. [00:00:13] Christina: [00:00:13] I know. Finally it’s only taken, uh, like close to a hundred episodes, but Hey, we’ve done it. [00:00:19] Brett: [00:00:19] We, we have learned how to, how to talk [00:00:22]Christina: [00:00:22] That’s an important thing, English. [00:00:25] Brett: [00:00:25] Yeah. Um, I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. Uh, well rested. How are you? [00:00:30] Christina: [00:00:30] Uh, I am also fairly well rested, although, uh, I don’t want to get straight into health corner, but, but I, I had like, uh, I had some anxiety stuff last night, so I had to take a Klonopin. So that makes the whole like wake up thing a little more difficult. But other than that, I’m good. I’m good. And I mean, by and large, I can’t be too mad. [00:00:55] It’s 11, 11, great day. It’s officially a [00:01:00] Constantine day for something corporate fans that will absolutely not make sense to anyone in our audience whatsoever do not care. Uh, but it’s also more importantly the day before my birthday. So this is actually, [00:01:13] Brett: [00:01:13] geez. Happy birthday. I’m sure Facebook would have notified me of that tomorrow, but it’s it’s [00:01:20] Christina: [00:01:20] Oh, and then, and I’m a dumb ass. It is, it is not 1111. It is 1110. So it’ll be 11, 11 tomorrow. And then Thursday is my birthday. [00:01:30] Brett: [00:01:30] will go out. This will go out on 11, 11. [00:01:34] Christina: [00:01:34] This is true. So yeah, so, so the day after this goes out, everyone should just inundate me with, um, uh, birthday wishes of tomfoolery and say, Christina, congratulations, you are, you are 29 for an nth time. [00:01:48] Brett: [00:01:48] 29. I remember 29. [00:01:51] Christina: [00:01:51] Me too. That’s why I’m, that’s why I’m never turning 30. [00:01:55] Brett: [00:01:55] Yeah. I was 21 for years. I got my, I got [00:02:00] my fake ID at like 19 and I was. And then like, after I was actually 21, I kept getting a fake ID to say I was 21 for a couple more years because I had this whole Peter pan thing. I’m like, I’m going to be 21 forever. [00:02:14] Christina: [00:02:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this meet with 29, although my fake ID. So I got it when I was 16 and I just got it to say that I was 18 because I was trying to get into some like 18 and up shows. Like I wasn’t actually trying to drink. I was just trying to get into some shows while the thing is, is that that ID then suddenly became a year 21 ID right around the time I went to college. [00:02:41] It was pretty great. [00:02:43]Brett: [00:02:43] Um, okay, so enough illegal ID talk. [00:02:48] Christina: [00:02:48] This, this, this, this, this, this, [00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] Um, have you heard the news about, uh, what’s his name? Uh, Joe Biden. [00:02:54] Christina: [00:02:54] uh, that he won, [00:02:57] Brett: [00:02:57] Uh, one something, what was it? [00:02:59] Christina: [00:02:59] I think [00:03:00] it’s, I think it’s president of the local commerce, no president of the United States. That’s it. [00:03:07] Brett: [00:03:07] Right, right, right, right. Um, people are saying that it wasn’t as decisive a victory as they, they hoped for, but seriously, in an incumbent election, it was, it was pretty decisive. [00:03:22] Christina: [00:03:22] Agreed. I mean, the thing is, is that I will say I okay. A. I think that we have now been proven, we can no longer listen to Nate silver, right? Like that’s number one. Uh, and I like Nate silver a lot, but his models for the last two cycles have been completely off. And, um, uh, this other podcast, I listened to this guy and I don’t, it wasn’t this podcast, even though I really don’t agree with either of the two hosts, but they say things sometimes that are. [00:03:52] Provocative and like purposefully trollish, which I appreciate. Um, and, and this, [00:04:00] this guy was trying to argue that, Oh, well just being off like three and a half or 4%, isn’t that big of a deal. And I was like, literally screaming and listening to this. Cause I was like, okay, anybody with even a monochrome amount of statistical knowledge will know that yes, actually that is a big deal. [00:04:18] Like that’s pretty significant. [00:04:21] Brett: [00:04:21] Isn’t Nate Silver’s aren’t his models like basically metal poles though. I mean, isn’t it a case of bad day. [00:04:28]Christina: [00:04:28] Yes, it is a case of bad data in, but, um, that doesn’t mean that the models themselves aren’t still flawed. If your data is bad, like. Honestly, like I, I tried cause I tried to rationalize him being wrong four years ago and now, and it’s kind of one of those things I’m like, okay, if you’re not getting good data, that’s obviously a really big problem. [00:04:50] And clearly, and it’s not just him, it’s all the pollsters. They’re not getting good data. People won’t talk to them. I’ve T I’ve listened to interviews with, with pollsters and they’re like, yeah. [00:05:00] Uh, The number of calls they have to make, even get somebody to pick up the phone is ridiculous. And I’m like, Oh yeah, we’ll make sense. [00:05:07] Cause whenever I get a phone call from like unknown number, like I don’t answer. [00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] well, and then Nate, silver and other, excuse me, talked about the shy Trump voters and how that, that was probably a big enough population to sway things. These people that are going to vote for Trump, but don’t want to admit it to anybody. [00:05:28]Christina: [00:05:28] right? No, absolutely. I mean, and, and I, and I, and I like am completely 100% on board with being like, yes, all of these things are issues and are part of it that said that doesn’t change the underlying problem, which is that the data is bad. The models by extension are flawed. [00:05:46] Brett: [00:05:46] also anyone trusting the polls going into this. I mean, we all said we didn’t, we all, we all hoped. Sure. But anyone who actually had faith in the polling. Uh, after 2016 was [00:06:00] severely misguided. [00:06:02] Christina: [00:06:02] I mean, I would agree with that. Uh, but I think that what happened is, is that. Just well, okay. I think she thinks happened one silver was so incredibly precise in 2008, right? Like that was, that was the year that he became, like, he was at the New York times, then I believe [00:06:20] Brett: [00:06:20] Golden boy. Yeah. [00:06:21] Christina: [00:06:21] boy. Like, I mean, cause he was like dead on, like there were some places where he like had the counts even like correctly, like he had everything correct. [00:06:30] He moves on to do five 38, his own thing. And again, really, really accurate. And, and then 2016 was just a blow out in the other direction. And it was just a massive failure for a lot of reasons that, um, if I, and I have friends who work at five 38 and they get really defensive and, and try to kind of come up with excuses and I’m like, you guys were just wrong, whether it was your model, whether it was your data, whatever it was, there is no way that you can explain 2016 in [00:07:00] any way, other than. [00:07:01] You got it wrong. It’s just, you know, it didn’t work. And then I think with 2020, even though a lot of us, we’re definitely at that point, I certainly was at that point where I never really believed the polling and I was always really nervous because I’m like the pessimist in all of this always. Um, you start to hear it enough and enough that it does start to seep in. [00:07:27]And you do start to almost accepted as an inevitability. [00:07:30] Brett: [00:07:30] Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I was, I was prepared for it to be wrong, but as much as I prepared, I knew that if Trump had won this, I would have been just emotionally devastated. I don’t know. I would not be able to record today if Trump had won. [00:07:51] Christina: [00:07:51] no, without a doubt, it was one of those things. And honestly, I was having major, I was talking to my shrink about this last week where I was having like, you know, just like we talked [00:08:00] about like, you know, PTSD, like kind of, you know, memory kind of flashbacks of emotional times. And, and he was talking about types of memory and types of emotions. [00:08:10] And he was telling me all the reasons why psychologically, what I’m feeling was completely normal and whatnot. And, um, Yeah. Cause, cause it was going back to that place. And so when the polls started coming in and it started looking like that, that was, that was the thing. And it didn’t help. Um, I actually, I like MSNBC. [00:08:31] I ha I could not watch MSNBC on election night, um, at all, [00:08:36] Brett: [00:08:36] I gave up on MSNBC. [00:08:39] Christina: [00:08:39] yeah. Like, because they, they became diluted to a point where I was like, you are not helping. [00:08:45] Brett: [00:08:45] I gave up on CNN too. It’s not like fake news. Like I don’t buy into that at all, but it’s, um, It’s like reverse sycophantic. [00:08:57] Christina: [00:08:57] Yeah. Although I did think that actually on election [00:09:00] night, CNN did a really good job. Um, it’s not that John King was, uh, was a BAMF. [00:09:06] Brett: [00:09:06] did you watch news on election night? [00:09:09] Christina: [00:09:09] I did, [00:09:09] Brett: [00:09:09] I refused. There was no point. Like I knew nothing was going to be decided on election night and everything was going to, there would be a red Mirage and I just didn’t want to deal with it. I figured I’ll wait a couple of days and then check in. [00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] no, totally no, but I was just at this point where I was like, I, and I ended up taking a Wednesday off because I got so stressed out by everything that I was like, I have a lot of outstanding PTO, um, that if I don’t use, I lose. So. Uh, like I have something like, like 14 days that I have to take between now and the end of the year, in addition to the vacation that I’ve been given, the way that it works is you can only roll over a certain amount. [00:09:49] And I basically, you know, you don’t take it, you lose it. And so I have so much vacation time that if I were to take all of it, I would be out for like [00:10:00] a month and a half. And. That would be awesome, but that’s obviously not tenable. So, um, I just have to take care of the stuff that is going to expire. Um, first. [00:10:11] And so I, I took yesterday off, I’m taking Thursday off because that’s my birthday. I took last Wednesday off and I’ll be doing a couple of other things until, you know, December when I, I do kind of a proper, you know, vacation or whatever, but, um, or staycation, cause I’m not going anywhere, but yeah, no, I was watching and I do have to say from my perspective, and some people might disagree with me. [00:10:31] I did think that that, like John King did a really good job. Uh, people criticized him for saying that the, the. The numbers were fun. I get it. I mean, okay. Maybe that’s not the perfect phrasing, but when he gets to be on his big map and do all of the stat stuff, that’s his favorite time of the year. Like I’m not going to take that away from Sean King. [00:10:55] Like he genuinely loves to do that and he’s good at it. Like he’s not a Steve Kornacki, [00:11:00] who is. You know, like totally nerding out about it in a different way. But John King invented the form grant and I got in a debate about this, uh, grant was like, no secret. Nike created this. I’m like, uh, no dude, John John King emitted the whole like magic wall thing. [00:11:17] Like you can go back. They used to use the surface devices that were on a table. Like, like, no, it, it, it, it, it goes back earlier than that, but, um, Yeah, I had to watch, but, and it got better as time went on, which I think was the thing, but it was just really stressful. And then the most stressful part was watching the Georgia returns come in, which then was a multi-day process, which, uh, wow. [00:11:43]Brett: [00:11:43] so that leads us to the other side of this conversation. Um, the, so there, there are often, there are always, let’s say since, at least, at least since 2000, there are always legal teams waiting to, to [00:12:00] do, to ensure that everything is fair to their side. And, uh, The thing about this time is these lawsuits that the Trump campaign is bringing are completely inept. [00:12:16] Like they’re coming before courts with zero evidence and they’re coming with fucking post-it notes and hearsay and, and there’s zero for five on the big. Uh, the big lawsuits they’ve tried to bring about election fraud. They’ve had a couple of small victories that have garnered them a hundred votes here and there, but this is the least adept, uh, coup that this country has ever seen. [00:12:45] And maybe the, the world I don’t want to, I sound like Trump. It was the, the, the least inept anyone’s ever seen. A lot of people are saying. but the, the only reason that we’re not [00:13:00] facing like an autocratic fascist right now is because he’s fucking stupid. [00:13:05] Christina: [00:13:05] No. I agree. I mean, that’s the thing. So, so when Fox news called it for Arizona and they called it at 73% and look, they ultimately ended up being right. Um, I, I don’t know how their numbers work. I don’t know how those decision desks things work. Me personally, probably wouldn’t call it 73% in a tight state, but. [00:13:30] Just because there’d be nothing worse than having to call it. And then, and then go back to too early to call, which is what they did in 2000. Um, but you know, Fox called it and then apparently, um, What happened, I guess they had, they had hope Hicks get on the phone with, with Raj, some senior guy at Fox news that she hired when she was at Fox news and they had Trump reaching out to people and then they had freaking, um, [00:14:00] uh, had freaking Jared. [00:14:02] Reaching out to Rupert Murdoch, trying to get him to change the, the result at like, like Rupert cares and the, but this was a reminder to me cause people always forget this. The Jared Cushner, Jared and Ivanka are really good friends with windy. Dang, who is, uh, Rupert’s ex wife and she’s. Okay. So she was, uh, she’s Chinese. [00:14:24] Um, uh, although like she’s an American citizen now or whatever, but she was the one who took the pie in the face for him. Um, when somebody like came and tried to try to, you know, like PI him or whatever, like she stepped in and like was kind of a, uh, uh, uh, BAMF that way. She’s also though, like, wow, there’s this amazing vanity fair article where during their very contentious divorce, like her diaries were leaks. [00:14:48] And apparently she was fucking Eric Schmidt of Google and Vladimir Putin and Oh, and I, and I, and I believe Tony Blair, um, [00:14:57] Brett: [00:14:57] for [00:14:57] Christina: [00:14:57] I. Yeah. I’m like, not even [00:15:00] remotely joking. I’m going to find this and put this in the show notes because I’m 1000% I’m 1000% like not even joking. Yeah. Um, yeah, [00:15:09]Brett: [00:15:09] I guess it was the Vladimir Putin that threw me. [00:15:12] Christina: [00:15:12] yeah, no, not even remotely. [00:15:14] Like this is like, uh, uh, Yeah. Like, so, so basically windy ding note, Google CEO’s so much uglier than Tony Blair. This was a thing that literally came from her diary. And then there was also like things with like Vladimir Putin. Yeah. No, this, this, I wish that I were joking with this. I am not. Anyway. She, um, has been friends with the Kushner family for years and years and years. [00:15:37] Like even, uh, Josh Kushner who’s apparently like the quote unquote good one. Um, Like has like credits her as sort of helping make his business career. Anyway. Th th th that whole family is so screwed, but, um, anyway, so, so he’s calling Murdoch, even though let’s be real, he’s really way [00:16:00] closer with Murdoch’s ex wife and, and he’s like trying to get it changed, like, because. [00:16:04] Yeah, he’s Jared and Jared can get, can get changed as if Rupert cares. Uh, and, and, and as of Lachlan’s going to care, you know what I mean? Like, dude, they’re not, they’re not changing. They’re not going to interfere with the, with the decision desk stuff. Um, this is the same decision desk that when they called, I believe it was Ohio for Obama in 2012, Karl Rove threw a temper tantrum. [00:16:31]On set. And Megan Kelly had to walk down to the decision desk to get answers because she was mad at Carl Rove. And so she took the cameras with her and like went through the bowels of like the back hallways of Fox news to like, have a conversation with the decision desk and then bring them on so that they could debate. [00:16:50] And that moment. Which look, I hate Megan Kelly, but it was genuinely fantastic television. Like it was even now I rewatched it. I shared it with somebody this week [00:17:00] and they were like, Wow. That was good. I was like, yeah, no, that was genuinely good television. And that was what made mech and Kelly a star. Uh, so you know, um, there’s a history of Fox calling things for people who are not on their side, because as with all major news organizations, the people who call the decisions are separate from the news organizations themselves. [00:17:23] There is a literal Chinese wall. So. I thought that was just hilarious, you know, just when, when that was called, but then Georgia became like this nail biter and because I’m from Georgia and because it was Metro Atlanta, which is literally where I grew up, that became kind of like the deciding thing on stuff. [00:17:42]I was in like this surreal moment where I’m seeing Gwinnett County and DeKalb County and Cobb County and Clayton County and even Henry County, although honestly, that’s questionable. That’s part of the Metro area. They claim it as it’s not, you know, and, and stuff like that, like being [00:18:00] mentioned on TV regularly. [00:18:03] And I was like, Dawning on me that it’s my former classmates that are going to be making the decision in this state. And I’ve never been more scared in my life. And to be totally honest, what actually scares me more is because, you know, uh, we, uh, Biden one. Bye bye. Uh, quite a number of States, right? Like it wasn’t a two 71, two 69 situation, which it looks like it could have been at one point. [00:18:25] Right? Like that, that, that did seem likely. And then we were all going to be like, thank God from Nebraska. But, um, but the Senate, there are two runoffs in Georgia and I’m. I mean, I’ve already donated a bunch of money to the campaigns. I will continue to donate more. I’m trying to figure out like what the best way is to do that. [00:18:46] Cause you know, you’re limited by campaign contributions for individual candidates. So, but, but you can do more for super packs and stuff like that. So I’m trying to figure that stuff out, but, uh, you know, it is a runoff election in January. You’re [00:19:00] not going to have a lot of people come out. And I say this as a, as a former Georgia voter, because I never once voted in a runoff ever. [00:19:08] Uh, and I consider myself to be very civically, like woke and it never, never went for a runoff. Are you kidding me? Like, that’s just a pain in the ass. So, um, maybe in an era of. Vote by mail. If that’s still going to be a thing or other stuff that would be easier. My mom did say when she voted that she was able to check online and find out from the polling stations, like what the weight was before she went in. [00:19:37] And that they seemed at least in Gwinnett County to have it together, Gwinnett County, which went blue, which shocking. Cause I was like, I had this deep fear. I was like if Gwinnett County, which is where I grew up, if Gwinnette County goes. Like is what loses Georgia for us. I was like a, that [00:19:54] Brett: [00:19:54] take it very personally. [00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] well. [00:19:57] I wouldn’t take it personally because I left for a [00:20:00] reason, but it would just be the most Gwinnett County thing to ever happen. Um, so I never voted in Gwinnett County. I, um, I moved, uh, you know, um, I wasn’t able to vote in the 2000 election and by the time 2004 happened, I was in college and I was living in the city of Atlanta. [00:20:16] So I bolted, I voted in Fulton County, which goes, uh, blue, but growing up in Gwinnett County and knowing who our representatives were and knowing. All the things about those local politics, like very intimately. Yeah. Honestly seeing that shift blue, seeing Cobb County go blue was massive. I don’t think people and I don’t expect them to, but you know, just to kind of put it in perspective. [00:20:41] So at one point, like for God, for a million men in a million years, Cobb’s um, congressmen, uh, and it wasn’t just for cop. It was for a whole other area. I actually wound up being, you know, like my, uh, voting districts, because it extended past Cobb County. I think to know about Georgia is that other than [00:21:00] Texas, which is obviously significantly larger in physical size, Georgia has the most counties of, of any state in the union. [00:21:07] So it’s counties upon counties upon counties and, and, and the, the lines can be really, really nefarious. Like I lived in Fulton County. But less than a quarter of a mile from where I lived was DeKalb County to the point where there was a road Peachtree Dunwoody road, which is depending on what part of the road you were on. [00:21:25] And I’m not even talking about like a long stretch of it. I’m talking about like you’re driving down like half a mile and depending on where you are on that road, depends on if you’re in Dekab or if you’re in Cobb. Or not cop if you’re in the cab or if you’re in Fulton, um, like it, you know, it is a, it’s a cluster in that way, but, um, the, the sixth congressional district was Newt Gingrich’s district. [00:21:49] And so he was like the man there for forever until he resigned, um, in, uh, Uh, impropriety, you know, because he was having [00:22:00] an affair after he led the whole impeachment hearings about Clinton having an affair. Uh, but they, uh, but that’s always been a Republican stronghold, even though the area itself is, is fairly. [00:22:11] Like blue, that congressional district is incredibly red. It went in 2018. And then again in 2024, um, a woman, uh, I can’t think of her last name, but her son was killed by that, um, by that fat, um, like racist dude in, in Florida who was mad about the music being loud. Do you remember [00:22:34] Brett: [00:22:34] Yeah. Ugly [00:22:36] Christina: [00:22:36] Okay, so yeah, so this, this guy like, uh, that he was in a gas [00:22:39] Brett: [00:22:39] in Florida. [00:22:40] Christina: [00:22:40] Well, that could be a lot of things, but no, this was, this was like the day after Thanksgiving and these teenagers, like just total kids are, you know, they have their base really loud and they’re in a parking lot at a gas station [00:22:51] Brett: [00:22:51] Oh [00:22:51] Christina: [00:22:51] tells him to turn them and he tells him to turn the music down and they do. [00:22:54] And then one of the kids gets kind of actually it turns it back up again. And then he was like, you’re not going to talk to me like that. And he pulls out his [00:23:00] gun and he starts shooting at the car and he kills the 17 year old kid. And then. And then he tries to use, stand your ground laws. Oh, they had a gun or a sticker, something, they didn’t have anything. [00:23:10] None of these kids had records. He’s in jail for the rest of his life. But anyway, his mother ran for Congress and she beat out the Republican incumbent. And then she won again, this term, uh, the Republican, the, uh, former Republican, you know, uh, person at the seat ran against her. She lost a second time. So sucks. [00:23:30] UVU, Karen Handel. Um, but, but that’s like. Insane to me. Cause I’m like done what? He’s Sandy Springs like, uh, parts of, of East top. Like this is not blue in the slightest. Right? Like these are like, these are like wealthy, you know, suburban, like, yeah. Th th that is not what you think. And so seeing all these counties come in, even though it was really close, was both really exciting. [00:23:58] And then it sinking [00:24:00] and I’m like, okay. Cause we got to do a runoff with the Senate. The future of the Senate is literally going to come down to Georgia. And once again, my former classmates and I’m like terrified. [00:24:11] Brett: [00:24:11] that was a, that was a really long Georgia rant. [00:24:14] Christina: [00:24:14] Yeah. Sorry about that. [00:24:15] Brett: [00:24:15] I meanwhile, am living in, uh, Minnesota, which has been blue for as long as I can remember since the sixties. Uh, but for the last, what, 12 years, maybe longer, we have been the only blue state in this area of the Midwest. Like we have been an Island in a sea of red and I’ve always been proud to live in Minnesota. [00:24:40] Uh, if, if. If it were, if it went red, I very likely would move, um, and further concentrate all the boats in small districts. But, um, this year we’re back, we’re back to being a wall of blue. Uh, we have, we have Michigan and Wisconsin and Illinois [00:25:00] and. Eh, we, we, there’s actually blue in the middle of the country now, and I’m not just a, all alone here, which feels like I have, uh, I’ve had a, what do you call it? [00:25:12] A vendetta? No, a resentment for Wisconsin for a long time now, because they’re so similar to Minnesota yet so different [00:25:23] Christina: [00:25:23] Yup. [00:25:24] Brett: [00:25:24] they did elect a democratic governor. But they’ve always gone red and election. So it is really good to feel. Uh, some brotherly, sisterly love for Wisconsin, again, uh, that won’t matter to anyone living on the coast, but for those of us in the Midwest, uh, it’s, it’s nice to not be upset with Wisconsin. [00:25:48] Christina: [00:25:48] Yeah, no, totally. I mean, Wisconsin and freaking Nebraska, right? Like again, like, you know, cause cause they have split votes the same as, as a couple of other States and the fact that we got that [00:26:00] one seat in Nebraska, honestly, when things were looking really, really tight and I was doing the math, it was like, okay, if we lose Pennsylvania, if we lose Georgia, if we lose all these others, as long as we can get Arizona, Nevada. [00:26:12] Then Nebraska will be the thing that will put him over. And, and that was a shock, but yeah, Michigan came through, uh, Minnesota came through Wisconsin. Like I would be very proud if I were you that the things seem to be changing. I mean, certainly I’m in my bizarre Pacific Northwest bubble where, um, the count was so fast. [00:26:37] Well for a couple of reasons, one we’ve been voting by mail for, I don’t know how many years has been. It predates me living in, in the state of Washington, but we’ve been voting by mail for a really long time. So even though they will count all boats that come in by 8:00 PM on election day, or that are postmarked on election day, um, Many of them come in weeks earlier. [00:26:57] So, and they’re allowed unlike [00:27:00] Pennsylvania and some others they’re allowed to start counting earlier. So it was one of those things where they called Oregon first, because Oregon’s a much smaller state, but then like almost immediately after, you know, it was called for, for Washington, it wasn’t even a question, right? [00:27:13] Nope. Nope. Nobody in Washington is going, gonna take issue with that. Uh, I think that there was apparently one contentious, like, uh, governor election that, that. They claimed made vote by mail look bad a decade ago. I don’t know who cares, [00:27:29] Brett: [00:27:29] All of the, all of the examples of, of male voter snafoos are like a decade old or, or they were, or they were small, small glitches that happened in small elections. [00:27:43] Christina: [00:27:43] Right, right. I mean, that’s the thing, right? I mean, and, and that’s also the thing where. I again, I don’t go on Facebook, but when I was trying to kind of correct the record when I could, when I would see family members posting stuff about how th how bad mail-in voting is, and I’m like, hi, I live in a [00:28:00] state that does nothing but nail and voting. [00:28:02] It’s actually pretty great. And then they would try to like, you know, okay. But actually I’m like, no, but actually this is how it works. And it’s pretty awesome. And then when you would tell them about it, they’d be like, yeah, Oh, that, that, that does seem better. Oh. So, so you get your, your voter guide and then a few weeks later you get your ballot and you can mail it right back postage free. [00:28:23] Or there are drop boxes all over the city and the County that you can drop them off in and you’re just done like, yeah, exactly. Oh, and there’s also a tracking thing where you can track to make sure that there’s not a problem with your ballot and. I’m like, yeah, it’s pretty great. This is maybe the way that we should do things. [00:28:44] Brett: [00:28:44] facts and the fact that Republicans are so against mail-in voting simply speaks to the fact that if more people vote this, like our country is. Bluer than we’re allowed to [00:29:00] like our election results. Don’t show public opinion. [00:29:05] Christina: [00:29:05] Yeah. I mean, I would say that, but I would also say if we look at the results, cause more people voted in this selection than an ever voted before and which is great, but also, you know, not everything went our way. We didn’t pick up [00:29:17] Brett: [00:29:17] Yeah. Congressional S the congressional elections. I feel like, I mean, part of it is, is just districting, but part of it is, I think there were a good number of people who honestly, couldn’t stand Trump, but couldn’t stand to vote Democrat. So they thought. If they put in a democratic president, but kept the Senate red, that they could just gridlock it until something better came along. [00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] no, and I can see that, but I could also see the argument. And honestly, I, uh, Don’t have a problem with this. I mean, even though it goes against, I think my interest in the interest of, of almost every person in our country, I don’t have a problem with the [00:30:00] fact that let’s just have more people voting. If more people are voting, if it comes out to be like disadvantageous to my side. [00:30:09] Okay. So be it, [00:30:11] Brett: [00:30:11] Yeah, but, but it’s a, at least a democracy. [00:30:14] Christina: [00:30:14] Exactly because the thing is, is what bothers me is that it’s so such a clear kind of thing about voter suppression. And that’s really what it’s about though. The reason that that the Republicans are against mail and voting is because it is an extension of Jim Crow, laws and gerrymandering and voter suppression. [00:30:30] And there was I’ll I’ll see if I can find it to put it in the show notes, but there was a really good article. I think it was in the Atlantic. It might’ve been in the New York times magazine about kind of the history. Of, um, voting rights acts, um, being, um, rolled back and actually showing that Republicans used to historically be very in favor of voting rights acts. [00:30:52] And it used to be kind of a understood and kind of like a gimme thing that anybody would do for their own electoral reasons [00:31:00] until I guess around 2008, when, uh, or maybe around the tea party era, when it started shifting and you started to see these pushbacks and, and. But, but what all I’m trying to get at is, is that it’s this misnomer that is to say honestly, uh, I do think it’s a misnomer to say, well, if more people vote, they’re going to vote blue. [00:31:21] That might be true, but that’s not necessarily true because we did see far more. People vote in this election than we’ve ever had before. And that’s significant. And I would much rather be in a place where more people vote. Even if it doesn’t go my way than be in a place where we are limiting, who is able to vote. [00:31:40] Like obviously you have to follow whatever the law is. Right. I’m not saying that, but I would, I, I, but voter suppression is a real issue. And if. The Democrats or whatever party I support are going to lose. I would rather them lose on the merits and lose because everyone had the opportunity to vote and not lose because people couldn’t actually have the [00:32:00] opportunity to vote. [00:32:01] Brett: [00:32:01] Or, or, or their votes were nullified by, by gerrymandering and redistricting. [00:32:06] Christina: [00:32:06] exactly. I mean, and that’s a much bigger issue. Uh, but, but I think, and that obviously I think has, if we’re being totally honest, much bigger consequences because local and state politics do impact a lot of things. But when we talk about national elections, you know, the, the things that, that. Uh, prevent people from voting because the thing is, is what we always see is that voter registration numbers go up, they go way, way up. [00:32:28] But then the numbers of people who actually the percentage of people who are registered, who actually do vote usually don’t. And that was what was interesting about this election. For the first time you saw a significant turnout. And I, I think that you can, there’s no way that you can’t draw the conclusion, even though there were some in-person voting numbers that were high, they were almost all for Republicans. [00:32:50] Um, and, and they were able to get. You know, props to them, really good in-person turnouts. Like I’m not gonna criticize that like game respects game. They had [00:33:00] really impressive in person turnouts, but you had a lot of people who voted by mail voted another ways who might were able to get absentee ballots who might not have otherwise have taken time, or maybe even had the ability to be part of the process because you don’t get time off of work. [00:33:15] You have to wait in long lines. It’s it’s painful. You know, if you don’t have certain things filled out, then you have to go back. Am I at the right polling place? Am I not? Like when I voted once in Brooklyn, like I was at the wrong polling place and I had to do a, like a, you know, um, what do they call them? [00:33:30] Like the provincial, um, you know, a provisional ballots. And then, you know, you have to, you have to go and like sign something and get it fixed. And, um, that’s not an uncommon situation. And so when you take those barriers away, which shocker, most other countries in the world have done. Then what do you know, like voter turnout percentage is, is higher? [00:33:54] Um, I am firmly against making it mandatory, uh, that [00:34:00] might be unpopular, but I am, I am actually very against making, voting mandatory that, that gets a little bit too, too, too tall, too totalitarian for my liking. Um, I think that every person should vote, but I also respect the. You know, choice that people might want to make to opt out of the process. [00:34:22] That said, I do feel like if you haven’t been part of the process, I don’t want to hear you complaining. Like, that doesn’t mean that you don’t get to benefit from the services, but I just personally don’t want to hear you bitching and moaning on Twitter or Facebook or on public radio. As I sometimes hear people say, Oh, well, I didn’t vote, but I’m like, okay, well then shut up, you know, [00:34:40] Brett: [00:34:40] So we’ve, we’ve got 35 minutes of election talk. That’s that’s pretty good. But my ADHD has kicked in [00:34:49] Christina: [00:34:49] Yep. The same. [00:34:50] Brett: [00:34:50] speaking of. Not to change the subject too abruptly. But I had a question from a listener who we have effectively [00:35:00] scared because like, we’ve talked about how hard it is to get meds and how hard it is to find doctors and, and they think they have ADHD. [00:35:10] Uh they’re they’re fairly certain through self-diagnosis, but they’re unsure of what to do next. So. I wanted to talk about our own personal experiences with getting diagnosed and getting treatment. So for me, where I live, there’s only one clinic that will do the ADHD testing. Um, and, and as far as I know, this is true everywhere, but what that involved was going in and doing, uh, it’s not a written test there, there’s a lot of question and answer, but then there’s also like, Uh, there’s this test where that you sit in front of a screen and it starts flashing letters. [00:35:52] And I can’t remember exactly how it works, but you hit the space bar for every letter except certain ones. And it’s, [00:36:00] it’s pretty simple, but it tests like how quickly your attention shifts basically it’ll like give you the same thing. Hit space bar, hit space bar, hit space bar, and then surprise you. And if you just hit the space bar, you like it, it makes a note. [00:36:15] And, uh, then the long, like basically yes or no tests, and then there’s a thing they send home that you have to have. A loved one or like a parent in cases of, of young people. Um, they fill out a questionnaire and then there is the third part, uh, just an interview with a psychiatrist that kind of goes over your, your history and your, um, things like your emotional reactions and your emotional range, things like that, that are indicative of ADHD. [00:36:48] And once you get through all that, Which, by the way I had to pay for out of pocket and cost like $800, but a lot of insurance will cover it. Uh, once you get through all that, they give you a [00:37:00] diagnosis either way, and then that’s what you need to take. To a psychiatrist because in this modern era of, of drug abuse and, and, uh, uh, w uh, service providers being scared to do anything without that diagnosis, you probably can’t get treatment, but with it, it’s pretty simple. [00:37:22]Christina: [00:37:22] Yeah. Um, okay. So interestingly, okay. So my experience is totally [00:37:26] Brett: [00:37:26] Oh, do tell. [00:37:28] Christina: [00:37:28] although I bet yours is more common into what it is. Okay. So with the caveat, so when were you diagnosed with ADHD? [00:37:35] Brett: [00:37:35] Just a couple of years ago. [00:37:37] Christina: [00:37:37] Okay. All right. So I was diagnosed in the olden days. I was diagnosed like 17 years ago and, um, Shit longer than that actually like 20 years ago. [00:37:48] And, uh, although originally I believe I was given the diagnosis, even though I might not have had the diagnosis. I was given the medication for, um, [00:38:00] like an off-label usage. Right. So I was taking antidepressants and then they were giving me, um, Dexedrine, uh, I think they might have started with, with, um, um, what was the one that everybody used before Adderall? Yes, they might’ve given me Ritalin. Um, and, and then switched it to Dexedrine, uh, as comes to counteract the, uh, side effects of my antidepressants, which were making me really tired. And I was not on a SSRI, which are a, um, a selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, which are the most common types of antidepressants. [00:38:34] I was on an older type of antidepressant because my body at that time, Couldn’t really deal with SSRI is, and one of the side effects of them was that it made you tired and lacked focus and some other things. Um, although I was already starting to exhibit real ADHD symptoms for the first time in my life. [00:38:53] So my background not to get too long into it, but it was a, it was a big shock for me. [00:39:00] When, even in college, when I finally got the diagnosis, because up until I would say about the age of 15. I was probably the quintessential non ADHD person. Um, I had OCD tendencies and I was a high perfectionist, but I didn’t have any problems really with concentration. [00:39:23] I didn’t have problems getting things done on time. I was. You know, uh, fairly, I would say stereotypical type, a incredibly neat, organized, like the point where, you know, things were out of place or whatever, like that would really bother me, you know? And then something in my biochemistry switched around the time I hit puberty and I hit puberty late. [00:39:46] Um, and I, for a long time sort of not blamed it, but I guess associated it with Paxil because when I went on Paxil, It, it, I suddenly started to have like textbook ADHD [00:40:00] symptoms. Uh, but even when I got off of the Paxil and I went to say Wellbutrin, and then I went on like, like 15 other [00:40:06] Brett: [00:40:06] Sure. Sure. I’ve been through that. Yeah. [00:40:08] Christina: [00:40:08] it right. I think, I think most, most people have like, it went into different stuff, but for me, so my first shrink who. Kind of diagnosed me that way. He was just kind of giving it to me for kind of an off label thing. And then my current shrink, who I’ve been with since I was, uh, 20. So I’ve been with him for 17 years. [00:40:28] He gave me the interview test. And I didn’t ever have the hit the space bar thing and I didn’t ever have, um, you know, like the, the questionnaire that, you know, people around you fill out, maybe my parents might’ve been interviewed. I’m not sure, but he, my psychiatrist did the interview and asked me questions and observed me and had me journal and kind of go through things. [00:40:50] And his practice, he focuses on a lot of things, but one of his actual, like, Focus areas like he’s written books about it and, and is, is [00:41:00] known as kind of like one of the experts in the field of ADHD in children. And, uh, so he diagnosed me. When I was 20 and, and, you know, continued me on kind of my medical regimen and, and I’ve tried different things. [00:41:17] I was, I was on, um, Provigil for a long time, which was amazing. And then, um, you know, I’ve tried to be on Vyvanse, which for whatever reason does not work for me. So I’ve stayed on, on the deck. It’s a dream, but here’s the interesting thing. When I moved to Washington state. I needed to get back on my meds. I had ghosted my shrink, which is dumb. [00:41:38] Um, I saw that, but I’d go to Tim for a while and I needed to get back on medication. And I went into, uh, just kind of meeting with a GP and told her what my symptoms were told. Her other stuff told her that I had a diagnosis, but she didn’t check. And she gave me, you know, scripts. I was able to get three months worth [00:42:00] of. [00:42:00] Um, Dexedrine. And after that point, If I were to continue to get scripts from them, then they would have need to have had a conversation with my doctor back home who had the diagnosis, or I guess I would have had to be rediagnosed. Uh, although I wouldn’t have had to go through that. Um, and because my doctor can just mail me my script and I live in a state that will fill out of state prescriptions, not every state will, but mine will because this is a schedule two. [00:42:28] So there are different, um, like rules around that they do that the pharmacy does have to call. The doctor’s office to make sure that it’s correct. Although I have been saved by some very nice pharmacists in the past too, when I’ve been running really low and it’s going to be, I’m not going to have it, and they need to make a call where they’ve just gone ahead and filled it for me. [00:42:48] Brett: [00:42:48] you’ve had really good luck with that. [00:42:50] Christina: [00:42:50] I have had really good luck with that. Not to mention I had people when I was in Atlanta and my insurance wouldn’t cover certain stuff who just magically would give me a few [00:43:00] extra pills. [00:43:01]Brett: [00:43:01] our experiences are so different. [00:43:03] Christina: [00:43:03] they are, but, but, but this is I think important, right? Because I don’t want to freak people out one way or another. You probably are not going to have my really good experiences in terms of pharmacists and stuff like that. But you’re also probably not going to have Brett’s experiences of having only one person who can diagnose [00:43:19] Brett: [00:43:19] So like, I, my original, when I first started taking ADHD medication, Uh, was actually in my thirties and that was, it was prescribed by a GP. And, uh, it, it, it was a really easy process. I told him what was up. He said, I think, uh, uh, Focalin could help you, or actually, yeah, he put me on Adderall and I requested a change to focal and all that. [00:43:44] It was super easy back then. Uh, and in the 10 years, since then, Things have changed. Uh, at least in Minnesota, things have gotten significantly more, uh, strict about having tested diagnosis and [00:44:00] everything. [00:44:00] Christina: [00:44:00] Definitely. And I will say it depends on what state you’re in and also like who your insurance is through and stuff like that. Cause like I do know in Washington state, because I’ve walked through this process with friends. So even though I haven’t gone through this process myself, I have gone through this process in Washington state with friends, as well as, um, uh, you know, um, uh, Oregon state and, and, um, California. [00:44:21] Um, with people, cause a friend of mine in California was, was diagnosed with ADHD. I’ll have to ask her if she had to go through the test, but it wasn’t a big deal. It was one of those things where they’re going to ask you questions. And if you really know that you’re ADHD, like if you really feel strongly about it, there are ways to answer those questions that will ensure, or maybe not ensure, but will definitely lead to the psychiatrists, [00:44:48] Brett: [00:44:48] we absolutely do not recommend looking up the answers if you’re not actually ADHD, because it fucks it up for the rest of us. [00:44:56] Christina: [00:44:56] I agree. And I’m not in no way trying to say to do that, but, but what I am saying is that [00:45:00] if you have an inkling, if you’re, if you’re not sure going to a psychiatrist to do it, I haven’t done those tests. And I don’t know if every state has those tests might have to do it. The biggest thing though, is you need to meet with a psychiatrist and you need to talk with them. [00:45:13] And, um, I’m lucky in that my psychiatrist is also my therapist, which is a very rare thing and is fairly uncommon. But if you can find a psychiatrist who also does therapy, that can really be key because a, they can give you the diagnosis and the prescriptions, but B they can also talk to you. And they have a little more of, I guess, like the, you know, um, The empathy and the, uh, the soft skills so to speak so that it’s not just cause a lot of times what’ll happen is that you have a separate therapist and a separate psychiatrist and the psychiatrist is just writing new scripts and they’re just kind of looking at the data and they don’t really know you or know anything about you. [00:45:54] And they’re maybe listening to what. Your reactions have been, but, but they don’t really care. You [00:46:00] know, like, uh, grant called his in New York, dr. Worksheet. And, and that’s basically what that is. And so if you can find someone who can do both and that’s not easy, but if you can, if you can, that’s ideal. Um, but the bigger thing I would say is you just need to find a psychiatrist and you need to go in for an appointment and you need to tell them how you’re feeling. [00:46:20] And what I would say is. Obviously, and in no way, are we recommending or encouraging? Cause as you say, it ruins it for everyone, don’t look up the answers to the test and that dance. But what I would look up is you can look up the checklist of symptoms and you can figure out do these things apply to me. [00:46:35] And what I would start doing is I would start taking notes. This is what I’ve, I’ve encouraged my friends who, after talking to me and hearing my experiences, they’re like, maybe I have this. And I’m like, look, I’m not a doctor. I can’t diagnose anything. But if you are having these things. I would, I would take copious notes, write things down and I get it. [00:46:53] That’s hard to do when you’re ADHD, but you at any way, but, but, but force yourself to do it anyway, make notes of stuff, even make [00:47:00] notes about the fact that it’s hard for you to take the notes. Right. Um, uh, and, and, and going through the course of the day, you know, comment on. It’s hard for me to switch tasks or it’s hard for me to stay on task, or it’s hard for me to, you know, uh, follow a conversation and, and remember where I am in something. [00:47:18] And some of the stuff, frankly, every single person on the planet suffers to one extent to another. It just comes down to the severity of it. The thing I would say too, and I’m curious from your perspective on this, but. ADHD and adults we’re finally getting better about it. And we’re finally getting better about diagnosing people with it, but for such a long time, it really was one of those things that was almost exclusively diagnosed in childhood. [00:47:44] Brett: [00:47:44] I still, I still run into that. I’ve had, uh, I’ve had. Our friends, not psychiatrists, but our friends tell me that adults don’t have add. And that I w I wouldn’t be medicated for it. [00:47:55]Christina: [00:47:55] Yeah. Um, that’s disappointing and sad and scary. [00:48:00] Uh, fortunately that’s starting to change, but you’re right. That stigma still exists. It’s gotten a lot better. I think part of the reason it’s gotten better is that more people are willing to talk about it. Uh, I think what’s also happened is that the kids who were diagnosed and yeah, many of them probably were. [00:48:14] Overly diagnosed. I, I don’t disagree with that. I do feel like in the nineties, there was this push to diagnose every single person as ADHD, um, uh, or, or add before they, you know, [00:48:27] Brett: [00:48:27] Right, right, right. [00:48:29] Christina: [00:48:29] And that, that was like, kind of the thing. Every, every kid who had even the slightest amount of, of bounce in their step or couldn’t focus on something or boredom. [00:48:39] Was now an ADHD child and that’s just not the case, but what’s happened with that is that even if you take those, even if you accept that there was an over-diagnosis and I personally think there was a, many of the people who were. You know, diagnosed incorrectly are no longer on medication and that isn’t an issue, but B the people who really were who’ve gone [00:49:00] on to be, you know, successful, or at least, you know, by what, and by successful, I mean, you know, they’re living their lives. [00:49:06] Like they’re not like destitute, you know what I mean? Like, [00:49:09] Brett: [00:49:09] not necessarily rich, but they are able to live a normal human life. Yeah. [00:49:13] Christina: [00:49:13] Exactly what’s happened is that those people are now in their thirties or their forties. And so. That completely erases this myth, that it’s only children, because you do see it in adults. And then you also see it increasingly in, um, and again, this, this comes down to where you live and what sort of bubble you’re in, but tech workers, it’s an incredibly common diagnosis, uh, is part of it. [00:49:39] Medication shopping. You know what I bet part of it is I think it’s a small part to be totally honest. I don’t think it’s as big of a part as people would think. I think that the, the kind of, uh, like. I guess like cliche of like the, you know, engineer software programmer, who’s getting high on Adderall is really overblown. [00:49:58] I think there’s like some [00:50:00] truth to that, but it’s very, very small instead. What tends to happen is that, um, a lot of people are probably like you and I, and that, um, we’re relatively high functioning and, um, Like, I, I know I am anyway, like I’m, I’m, high-functioning 80 ADHD and, and without medication, because I’ve proven this to myself again, do not recommend dumbest thing I’ve ever done, where I was able to basically live life and, and, and do. [00:50:31] Relatively what I needed to get done, but it was a struggle. It wasn’t easy. And it was one of those things where I had to hide it all the time. And I had to overcompensate all the time and it took a tremendous amount of work. That would be much easier if I just had medication and the proper support. [00:50:45] Right. But, um, I think that’s what, what makes it hard sometimes in adults is that people think, Oh, well, this isn’t debilitating to the point that I can’t get anything done. So therefore I don’t have this. That’s not true. [00:51:00] There, there are levels of [00:51:01] Brett: [00:51:01] things can just be harder than they should be. Like a lot of people can. Uh, well, and there are people who, who choose not to take medication and, and go the therapy route. And you can accomplish a certain thing Mt. With, with therapy, um, behavioral model , uh, exercise, diet, and meditation. [00:51:25] Like those are all things that for some people. Can help them get through. Uh, but medication just, it makes things way, way easier. Uh, and, and that’s not to say that one has to be instead of the other, uh, like learning about, uh, uh, what do they call it? C CB, cognitive BA CBT learning [00:51:51] Christina: [00:51:51] Yeah. Cognitive behavioral therapy. Yeah. Right. Which, which ironically, I was first going on when I was like [00:52:00] 16 and like 1999. Um, That can be really effective. The only thing I will ever stress to anybody about cognitive behavioral therapy, and this is less for ADHD where I think it can be really effective. [00:52:11] This is more for depression. If you’re so severely depressed that you can’t get out of bed, like you’re at that level, cognitive therapy is not going to help you. Uh, no matter what the doctors say, you probably need some sort of medication to get you past that point. And then you can, and look that doesn’t mean you have to stay on it forever. [00:52:32] You can go off of it. But if you’re like, literally at, at that, like I cannot physically get out of bed point. CBT is more than likely not going to help that said. Because I do do some cognitive behavioral therapy stuff and I do do talk therapy and whatnot. Like it’s a core part of a by treatment. I said, do you do? [00:52:53] But like, I it’s like a core part of my personal kind of regime is incredibly beneficial. So yeah, you don’t have to go on [00:53:00] medication. That’s that’s I think that’s a great point you point out. Uh, but also I think that, um, you know, it’s going to vary state by state, but talking to a psychiatrist is the first thing who your insurance company is. [00:53:12] And like what network you’re in is another thing. Again, like I’m so insanely lucky that I live in, um, a city that you know, is, uh, congregated by, you know, wealthy tech workers. And that means that there are a lot more opportunities and I guess, less of a stigma around. Um, diagnoses, not just for ADHD, but for depression and for people who are bipolar for people who have anxiety or other sorts of stuff. [00:53:44] Right. Uh, the more, I think, rural you get the harder it is to find a doctor. And I think the more specialized you are, like I, uh, and I’m sure this is much different now, but when I was first, like starting to exhibit [00:54:00] really, really bad signs of depression when I was. 13, there were only a handful of, um, child psychiatrists, um, in the, in the city of Atlanta, like in the Metro area. [00:54:14] And, and that specialized specifically in children for things like depression. There are a lot of people who did stuff with ADHD, but for depression there weren’t a lot. And I went through them and most of them were terrible, honestly. Uh, and, um, That’s the that’s the other thing I would gauge too, is that some of the stuff we’re saying, I know it seems scary and daunting. [00:54:34] Um, I don’t want to freak anybody out from trying, but I do just want to prepare. You might get super lucky and you might be able to just walk in and get an appointment with someone and have them give you a diagnosis and start getting on meds and trying out to see what works for you and God. I hope that that’s how that works. [00:54:51] If it’s not what happens. I really encourage people, especially if you feel like you’ve got a problem and you feel like something’s not right to keep [00:55:00] at it. And I know that can be demoralizing. I know it can be hard. And I know that it can be disruptive to your life, but gosh, is it [00:55:08] Brett: [00:55:08] Yeah, for sure. Um, you’ve given what, your age twice in this episode. [00:55:14] Christina: [00:55:14] I know, I know, but, but I’m, but I’m 29. So. [00:55:19]Brett: [00:55:19] For all intents and purposes. Yeah. Okay. Um, I feel like, I feel like we might’ve helped somebody. [00:55:27] Christina: [00:55:27] I hope so. If you have other questions, if you want to, you can contact with any of us, like directly, like, um, I’m always happy to talk to people in DMS or by email, um, uh, or, or you could chat with us in our discord, like not publicly, but like in private, like one-on-one stuff. Um, or, or email like genuinely, um, I, I’m not gonna like put, put bread on blast for that, [00:55:47] Brett: [00:55:47] no, that’s fine. You can always contact me, uh, um, TT scuff on Twitter and definitely the discord is a great place to find us. [00:55:55] Christina: [00:55:55] yeah. I’m filming middle school girl on Twitter and I’m on the discord and you can email me [00:56:00] Christina at Christina dot I S um, but yeah, I mean, if people have questions, uh, go through it. That is interesting about like the. The pressing the button test. I wonder how I would do about how I would do with that. [00:56:12] There’s a part of me that feels like I might pass that test. You know what I mean? [00:56:17] Brett: [00:56:17] you’d be surprised unmedicated. Uh, Because I consider myself to have pretty good reflexes, but yeah, I pretty much flat out failed that test. [00:56:29]Christina: [00:56:29] that’s interesting. I know. I kind of want to take it just to see what it would be like, but yeah, I mean, I probably would fail. It’s just, it just differs. Everybody’s everybody’s thing is different. [00:56:38]Brett: [00:56:38] Yeah. Well, and that’s. That’s why the tests are so kind of expansive because not only are they testing for ADHD, they’re testing for what type of ADHD you have, whether it’s an attentive or say other one hyperactive. Um, and so there’s a lot of like, it covers a lot of bases. So it, [00:57:00] yeah, I think the testing is even if you’re not going to go on medication, getting that diagnosis and knowing what you’re dealing with is, is a great first step. [00:57:09]Christina: [00:57:09] No. I totally agree. Even if you don’t want to go on medication, you want to do the other stuff, just know what you’re dealing with. And, and frankly also, uh, like real talk. It is an ADA thing, right? Like this is considered a disability and means you can get special provisions. You don’t have to take advantage of them. [00:57:25] You don’t have to note it for your employer. If you’re not comfortable with that. But it does mean that if you have a diagnosis, there are provisions that your employer has to make for you. Like there are accommodations that they have to make for you. Um, like I never took advantage of any of this stuff with standardized tests or any of that, although maybe I should have, um, you know, I, I never did any of that stuff and, and. [00:57:47] Again, this is one of those things where I feel like the, so many people it’s overblown, how that’s abused. And, and I think that that rhetoric is actually really dangerous because I don’t think it’s abused very often, but it’s also one of those things [00:58:00] where yeah, if, depending on, you know, like there are things that are like required by at least in the United States, by the Americans with disabilities act where your employers have to make certain concessions and provisions and, and accommodations for you. [00:58:12] Um, if, if you have a diagnosis [00:58:14] Brett: [00:58:14] I didn’t know that. [00:58:16] Christina: [00:58:16] Yeah. Yeah. And that’s true whether you have whether or not you’re on medication or not. I mean, and that can be things in terms of. You know, needing to have more time to do certain tasks or having, you know, differences in your schedule or other stuff like there, there are a number of things or, or being able to, if you say, Hey, is I get really distracted with certain things and these sorts of, you know, communication styles or whatever we’re doing. [00:58:41] Really distracts me and, and finding ways to work around that. There are a lot of things that can go into that. And those are things that, um, they have to make a reasonable, um, uh, you know, attempt to accommodate that doesn’t mean that they can change everything, but they have to make a reasonable attempt. [00:58:55] So, and the, and those are mandated, right? Like that that’s like, this is like [00:59:00] federal law. Like, this is. Something that that’s very important. And I, and I also to be totally candid. Um, and then we’ll, we’ll stop this. I know we’re basically out of time, but, uh, I think it’s important that if you would get benefit from those services that more people use, because it shuts down the stigma and, and also it’s one of those things that if someone tries to. [00:59:23] Fire you or hurt your career in some way, because of your diagnosis. That is a mass, like, um, not to say that it can’t happen and that it won’t, and that it doesn’t happen sometimes. But what I am saying is that is what we would call a slam dunk, um, uh, like EOC, which is the, you know, employee, whatever, like counsel that that’s equal employment. [00:59:47] You know, uh, whatever the other th that, that is, that is a slam dunk, uh, what we would call like legal case in terms of getting a settlement for, for something [00:59:58] Brett: [00:59:58] Yeah. Good [01:00:00] information. I actually didn’t know about the whole ADA thing. That’s a. Not that I have an employer to worry about, but [01:00:07] Christina: [01:00:07] right. But, but, but, but, but if, but if, you know, and I don’t think that it applies for like freelance stuff, but if you were to take like a, a job someplace else. Yeah. No, that like, Hey, This is something that I have it’s and it’s real. I think that’s the thing that a lot of people struggle with. Don’t you think that they don’t, they don’t feel like it’s real. [01:00:24] Like, even if they have a diagnosis, they’re like, okay, but they’re like, Oh, but this isn’t a real thing. No, this is a real thing. [01:00:29] Brett: [01:00:29] No, it is, it is one of the most well documented and researched, um, mental illnesses or, uh, handicaps that, uh, you’ll find in the, uh, what’s that book that nurses use. [01:00:44] Christina: [01:00:44] Uh, the DSM. [01:00:44] Brett: [01:00:44] Yeah. Like it, it [01:00:47] Christina: [01:00:47] the diagnosis is statistical manual. [01:00:49] Brett: [01:00:49] yeah. Research has been done on add than almost any other ailment. Uh, it, it is a real thing and it has real effects. [01:00:57]Christina: [01:00:57] Yup. [01:00:59] Brett: [01:00:59] So [01:01:00] our show, no, no. It’s are going to be really short. Like basically the only thing we’ve talked about that I could easily link is the, uh, the Wendy dang, dang, dang, dang. Um, his or her, her story. Uh, and, uh, we can do some general links for. Uh, Georgia elections and ADHD diagnosis, but yeah, it’s [01:01:25] Christina: [01:01:25] Oh, yeah. [01:01:26] Brett: [01:01:26] notes. [01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] Short notes. Sorry about that. Uh, went on a tangent, also anybody who has the, um, interest in donating, and I’m certainly not trying to tell people what to do or not, but if you want to donate to the, any of the packs or whatever, for the two recall races in Georgia for the Senator, that would be awesome. [01:01:46] Brett: [01:01:46] yeah. Do, do you have links for that? [01:01:49] Christina: [01:01:49] Yeah. I will get leased for that. Um, Uh, Oh, there actually, there’s one thing that’s really funny. So you know, the whole, okay. We’re going to go a little bit long, but we have to talk about it. Cause it’s too funny. Did you see the four [01:02:00] seasons, [01:02:00] Brett: [01:02:00] yes. And, and I saw an explanation that said it w it was very intentional because this was, uh, a good example of a successful American business, a small business. Yeah, no, that was, that was pretty clearly, uh, just a fuck up on, uh, on their event. Planners part. [01:02:19] Christina: [01:02:19] massive. Somebody Googled, they got the wrong place. They called the place who took the call, who they seem like, okay, enough people. Um, uh, like I think they’re Trump supporters. I’m not going to [01:02:31] Brett: [01:02:31] They said, they said we would have, we would have welcomed any, any politician. That’s what they said. So [01:02:38] Christina: [01:02:38] Yeah. Which, which, which fair. Right. And, and I have to imagine somebody calls and they’re like, we want to do this outside your place. And you’re like, okay, cool. [01:02:45] Brett: [01:02:45] our, in our driveway. Sure. [01:02:47]Christina: [01:02:47] Exactly. Right. Like, I mean, you know, and, and I mean, who’s, who’s going who’s to correct Rudy Giuliani’s people they show. [01:02:55] And then what, what happened is because they tweeted the wrong thing. The four seasons Philadelphia [01:03:00] very quickly was able to be like, we’re not doing this. So at this point you don’t have any other option now, had it been like. Trump or had it been somebody who was maybe higher up the ranks than, than Rudy? [01:03:13] I think that they would have postponed and found an actual hotel, but [01:03:18] Brett: [01:03:18] It’s Rudy [01:03:19] Christina: [01:03:19] It’s Rudy, whatever. So it’s great, but there’s this, uh, thing, um, on, uh, uh, Threadless, uh, somebody created, so that company now has official merge, which good for them. But somebody created a shirt that has a gritty on a lawn lawnmower, uh, is what it looks like. [01:03:38] Or if not a, a lawn mower than like a Jim bony. I don’t know. He sound like a four Wheeler. And, and it says welcome to four seasons, total landscaping, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, not the four seasons, um, uh, hotel Philadelphia. It’s a funny shirt. It’s $25 and all the money is going towards the, um, Georgia. Um, uh, [01:04:00] Um, runoff elections. [01:04:02] So if you want to get funny merge there that’s one. And then the official, total landscaping, uh, four seasons, total landscaping also has official merge, which I’m also considering buying, uh, because I, I don’t think you and I have ever talked about this, but I buy merge of flux companies or a funny things. [01:04:26] Like that’s a thing that I do. Did you know this about me? [01:04:29] Brett: [01:04:29] No, I, I, I don’t think I did. [01:04:32] Christina: [01:04:32] Okay. So like I have a movie pass t-shirt and I bought a quippy shirt. And I have fire festival merchandise that I got way before they had the auction for the fire festival stuff. Uh, I got my way cheaper. I was not going to pay those auction prices. [01:04:47] Um, and I have, uh, I have like a, an Enron mug somewhere and anyway, I collect fucked company stuff. And so I think that, that this would, this is if I could get an actual four seasons [01:05:00] thing that might be, um, uh, funny. Um, [01:05:04] Brett: [01:05:04] I’ll get you a bit writer. T-shirt [01:05:06] Christina: [01:05:06] Yeah. Yeah. [01:05:08] Brett: [01:05:08] old joke. [01:05:09] Christina: [01:05:09] old joke. No. Well, well, okay. True story. And then we’ll, we’ll stop. [01:05:14] When Trump first announced his candidacy, you know, when we all thought it was going to be a joke and before I was watching one of the first debates with, and, and I I’m going to sound like such an asshole, but I don’t care. It was one of those. Most surreal slash coolest moments of my life. I was watching the first Republican debate in 2015 with Dan rather. [01:05:39]Yeah, [01:05:41] Brett: [01:05:41] That’s that’s pretty cool. [01:05:43] Christina: [01:05:43] Honestly, it was, I was drinking a beer. He had some whiskey, I was drinking a beer. There were a bunch of us in the office and everybody was, was, you know, an all cause it Stan rather. And, um, I was of course spouting off like an asshole, like I am. And I was like, I was like, I’m just calling it [01:06:00] now, guys, he’s going to win the nomination, this first debate. [01:06:02] And everybody immediately jumps on me and they’re like, you’re wrong? You don’t know what you’re talking about. This and that. And then Dan, who has his hearing AIDS in, and it has been kind of stoic this whole time. He was like, okay. No, actually, I think she’s right. And he goes on this whole thing to explain his reasons, which were much better reason than me, which was just a gut reaction. [01:06:19] That’s that’s my one Dan rather thing. But before all that happened before, like it seemed like this was going to be a real thing. I almost bought a make America great hat because I was like, Oh, would not. Would this be a great Momento of such a hilarious and failed, you know, sad attempt at someone running for president. [01:06:41] Thank God. I thank God. I didn’t, because it would’ve just, I would’ve had to burn it out, had to get rid of it. Like there’s no way I could’ve kept it around, but, but I wanted to do it cause it like, I, I love having momentos of that stuff. Um, but, uh, yeah, [01:06:56] Brett: [01:06:56] you see Amy Sedaris, uh, instructions for things you can do with your, [01:07:00] your maggot hat? [01:07:01] Christina: [01:07:01] no I didn’t, but we should link to that. [01:07:03] Brett: [01:07:03] yes. I’ll, I’ll make a note. Uh, she tweeted a diagram of how to turn it into a suppository. [01:07:09]Christina: [01:07:09] Oh my [01:07:11] Brett: [01:07:11] weirdly she spelled Vaseline wrong. She spelled it with an O I don’t know who, who made this graphic. Like she may have just been reached waiting it, but, um, she spelled it with an O and the weird part of that is there’s a photo-shopped Vaseline container with it spelled wrong. Like how hard would it have been to just grab a product image off of like target.com. [01:07:34] And use it, but they Photoshop. Why would you have to Photoshop Avast Lincoln? Like, it doesn’t make sense, so confusing, but also hilarious. [01:07:44] Christina: [01:07:44] that is hilarious. And actually my favorite thing about you, Brett, is like that you’re like thinking about like, what in the hell is like, why did they have to [01:07:52] Brett: [01:07:52] Well, so it was pointed out to me on, uh, on Mastodon. Uh, the only person who noticed it was [01:08:00] on Mastodon and they, they brought the question up. So I can’t, I can’t take credit for being that anal retentive about, uh, about Photoshop grammar, but yeah, I’m still on Mastodon. [01:08:11] Christina: [01:08:11] I was going to say you’re still a masstone. What server are you on? [01:08:14] Brett: [01:08:14] Um, I’m on the easy DNS server run by a libertarian that I often agree with and often disagree with, but he he’s, uh, uh, the guy who runs easy DNS is, uh, he, he follows privacy and security stuff puts out our newsletter. [01:08:32] That’s always informative. Even if his, uh, his opinions don’t always match up with mine. [01:08:38] Christina: [01:08:38] I like that. Yeah, I’ve I’ve this is the thing that I’m kind of hoping for the next four years is that I can go back into a place where like I can start consuming opinions of people who I don’t agree with, um, in a way what will see me. Cause the thing is, is I don’t want to get, go full hog in that. Cause I do actually [01:09:00] like to. [01:09:02] Engage in conversations with people that I don’t agree with on things like I like to have other perspectives, but it’s been really difficult for me to have any sort of discourse with like pro Trumpers. [01:09:17] Brett: [01:09:17] because we’re getting different news. Like people bring up, people bring up. Yeah. But what about, and it’s a story you’ve never even heard and you have no way to fact check what they’re saying. And conversation has become nearly impossible because all the reasons I hate Trump, they’ve never even heard and all the reasons they love Trump, I’ve never even heard. [01:09:40] So we can’t have a conversation about any particular topic it’s been, it’s been awful. The, uh, the news bubbles have been killing discourse. [01:09:49] Christina: [01:09:49] Yeah. Uh, we’re we’re super long, but I do have like one last question. Have you talked to your parents, your parents since the election? [01:09:55] Brett: [01:09:55] uh, I have, we did an amazing job of not talking [01:10:00] about the election at all. [01:10:02] Christina: [01:10:02] Amazing. [01:10:02] Brett: [01:10:02] talked about some coronavirus stuff, but even that we keep the Corona virus conversations, apolitical. Like just about the facts and, and vaccines we talk about, but we don’t talk about how Trump is to credit for vaccines and yeah, no, uh, we, we have civil discourse by completely avoiding politics. [01:10:25] Uh, almost to an extent where it seems impossible. I was in awe of our last Saturday breakfast. We, we, we got through it as if nothing was happening. [01:10:35]Christina: [01:10:35] Yeah, I, um, I haven’t talked to my parents, uh, since, since everything kind of happened. And, um, I will obviously be talking to them this week for my birthday, but it’s been one of those things where I’ve, I’ve been wanting to more, my dad than anything, I guess, kind of give a break, so to speak where I’m kind of like, I’m like, all right, you know what? [01:10:59] We don’t, we don’t need to [01:11:00] get into this. Um, like. Uh, I, I, I’m not going to rub this in your face, even though you didn’t have any problem, kind of, he didn’t rub it in my face, but you know, last time, but. Anyway, four years ago when this happened, it, there were some not great conversations. So, uh, I’m, I’m hoping, I’m just kind of wanting to avoid all of that, especially since I can’t see them. [01:11:25] But, um, yeah. Uh, but I’m, I’m glad, I’m glad to hear that, that, that your parents, uh, like you’ve just been talking about anything but that, and you’ve had good, good conversations. That’s awesome. [01:11:34] Brett: [01:11:34] the only way. Um, I will say I’m about to send an email to my entire family suggesting maybe this isn’t the Christmas for everyone to get together. Uh, we’ll see how that goes. [01:11:44] Christina: [01:11:44] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that, that, uh, I mean, obviously you have COVID is your number one kind of reason [01:11:52] Brett: [01:11:52] well, that’s the only reason I love it. When my family all gets together, I have five nieces that I adore and, and look forward to seeing. [01:12:00] But right now with, with higher, highest, yet case counts in every single state [01:12:09] Christina: [01:12:09] I know [01:12:10] Brett: [01:12:10] is not the time to be planning. Uh, December Katherine, right? I, we just, my mom just called me this week to say, Oh, this woman that I was counting offering with at the church just got diagnosed. [01:12:24] Uh, she just got a positive test and I just found out yesterday that my mom was negative, but I’m like, you’re in contact. You can’t keep your family safe. If you’re that close to potential contacts and potential infections, uh, we just need to be responsible and, and not get 15 people in a room. [01:12:48]Christina: [01:12:48] Yeah. [01:12:49] Brett: [01:12:49] Anyway, enough about family. This has been fun. Christina, happy birthday. [01:12:55] Christina: [01:12:55] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Brett. And, uh, I, uh, next, next time, um, I’m [01:13:00] actually going to, it’s going to be fun because I’m going to be able to, um, have, um, I can’t talk. Um, I’m going to have can’t talk next time. And we talk, I will have, I will be the proud owner of an Xbox series X. And so I can talk about that. [01:13:16] If anybody cares, I’ve ordered two PlayStation vibes, but unfortunately neither of them is for me. So I’m going to be still waiting to try to get my own of that. But it’s it’s video game season. Oh, I’ll also have my new, uh, iPhone. Next time we talk and there will be Apple Silicon max to talk about next time too, if we want to pretend to be a tech show in an, on any capacity. [01:13:40] Brett: [01:13:40] latter I can talk about, you’re going to be talking to someone who hasn’t owned a gaming system since. Well, I had an Xbox three 60 that I never used, uh, but I haven’t really played an arcade console since the Atari 2,800. So you’ll have to explain to [01:14:00] me why, why I give a shit. It’ll be like our Taylor Swift conversations. [01:14:03] Christina: [01:14:03] Exactly. Exactly. And, and, um, I will search and see if there has been anyone who’ve made hour long, um, videos about theme parks for Taylor Swift, or, you know, but, but for Xbox and PlayStation, [01:14:16] Brett: [01:14:16] for, yeah. Yup. Sounds good. I hope you get some, uh, some non Clonopin assisted sleep. [01:14:23] Christina: [01:14:23] get some sleep, right.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 212 [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] It’s mine. It’s my week to do the intro. Welcome to overtired, uh, with Christina Warren and Brett Terpstra. How’s it going, Christina? [00:00:07] Christina: [00:00:07] Well, I am living up to the show’s name. I am like very tired. I got like an hour and a half. Two hours of sleep. [00:00:17]Brett: [00:00:17] Yeah, like I’ve, I’ve done that many times. Like I can relate to what mornings look like after two hours of sleep, but what’s going on for you? [00:00:26] Christina: [00:00:26] no, just insomnia. [00:00:27] Brett: [00:00:27] Oh, no. [00:00:28] Christina: [00:00:28] no just like insomnia and, and fear and dread over like the state of everything. [00:00:35] Brett: [00:00:35] Yeah, no, I feel like, I feel like our mental health corner starts right here. [00:00:39] Christina: [00:00:39] I, yeah, I was going to say like, we shouldn’t even do any preambles. So for, uh, for listeners, we are recording this on a Tuesday morning at 7:30 AM. Pacific time, 10:30 AM Eastern. So [00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Live election coverage. [00:00:56] Christina: [00:00:56] Yep. Yep. Um, I, uh, I see the New [00:01:00] York times has brought back the dam, um, button thing, like the, like the, um, to show, like, you know, like where things are. [00:01:10] Uh, no, we don’t. I have like genuine PTSD from the last election. And from that damn like, you know, uh, whatever that thing is called, like the. Uh, the, the gauge. Yeah, there we go. Meet her. Yes. The, the, the, the election meter, like from the New York times election meter, I was like mother fucker. Like I genuinely have like, like PTSD and I’m I not actual PTSD, [00:01:38] Brett: [00:01:38] You’d be surprised actually. [00:01:40] Christina: [00:01:40] all, all I was going to say though, but the thing is, is that I do have like a visceral, like, Actual like physical reaction to thinking back about where I was four years ago and what happened four years ago. [00:01:52] Like, it’s a very real thing. And so I’m like I’m being flipped, but I’m also kind of not. So [00:02:00] seeing them bring that election meter thing back, even for just a couple of States, I was like, no, no, no, you are not doing that New York times. No, you are not like, because I just go back to where I was. Four years ago in New York city watching happen. [00:02:16] And I can still realize when it hit me and it hit me hours before. It, it hit a lot of other people, like, like grant was, was not where I was at. And it was like, I don’t know. It was probably, honestly it was probably seven 30, eight o’clock. But I think that I, I sent out a tweet that, that, that like, like 8:30 PM. [00:02:42] I remember this because business insider quoted it and like their election live blog thing or whatever. And I was like, I feel sick and. That was, you know, a good five hours before anything was like called. And, but, but I, it just, I could just see where it [00:03:00] was going. And I was like, I feel sick. just remember being in the Gawker offices and just watching and seeing everything and, and yeah, [00:03:10] Brett: [00:03:10] 30 they had called Florida. If I recall correctly, [00:03:14] Christina: [00:03:14] they were in the process. And that was the thing I think, I think actually that was [00:03:18] Brett: [00:03:18] yeah, the path, the path to the electoral win had already pretty much been sealed by eight 30 or nine o’clock. [00:03:24] Christina: [00:03:24] yeah, it wasn’t like, I think they were still holding out that Florida could be, um, like, uh, you know, could go one way or another, but I think that it had, it had basically, you know, it was, it was at a point where it could be called and yeah, that was the thing for me. I think that was what had happened. [00:03:41] They had just called Florida and I was like, Wow. You know, and, and, and that was when it was just kind of like starting to Dawn on me. And like I said, like other people that I was with both in the office and, you know, grant w we’re like, no, no, no, it’s fine. It’s fine. And just, just seeing the mood [00:04:00] shift, I mean, that was the, the most just kind of. [00:04:03] Bizarre thing. And it’s not so much that everybody in the office was in the tank for Hillary. I’m not trying to like, be all like, like conspiracy there’s Oh, you know, all New York media people were in the tank or whatever. And it’s like, but you know, you think something’s going to happen a certain way. [00:04:16] And what had actually happened is his, and we were mad about this, bringing it up to this, but, um, uh Deadspin um, which, uh, you know, was a very good website. Uh, it is now run by zombie scabs, um, who are terrible and she’d feel bad, uh, because they are bad. Uh, but, but, but defector that, the site that all the people who were at Deadspin quit and, uh, who quit a year ago actually, and, and. [00:04:42] Started it is quite good, but, um, some of the, the dudes had written like an article about like how everybody voted and a bunch of the men like. Proudly where, like, I didn’t vote and a bunch of the women in the office, like, we were like mad at them. We were like, this is just like [00:05:00] reeks of privilege. And I go, it doesn’t matter, you know, she’s going to win anyway and whatnot. [00:05:03] And like, honestly, yeah, for the state of New York, it wouldn’t have mattered, but it was just like the, the fact that they didn’t and then to see how things happened. Uh, there were lots and lots and lots of like, Dirty looks and like angry yells, um, throughout the next week in the office. But you know, there was this, this, this, this guy worked with, it was his first election. [00:05:23] Um, because he, he was like about to turn 19 and just like seeing the look on his face as he was kind of realizing, you know, what happened. And it was just this, I’ll never forget it because it was just this moment where, I mean, you know, I don’t want to like, put like, I don’t want to like, create an experience for him that wasn’t accurate to him. [00:05:44] But for me it felt like I was watching someone like lose their, their innocence, you know, like in real time. And. You know, we had this massive TV screen, um, in, in the office that was like in the theater area. It [00:06:00] was like this huge, huge, huge, um, Mike, uh, you know, projector thing. That was two stories tall and, and, and we were all just kind of gathered in, in Washington. [00:06:08] Just, I was, I left at like one P 1:00 AM and, uh, um, it was just, uh, yeah, just worst night ever. [00:06:18] Brett: [00:06:18] right. And so what you’re describing is legitimately true. And I don’t think that I’m not a psychiatrist obviously, but I don’t think that PTSD is too crazy. A claim to make about what we all went through four years ago. Here’s the thing about that meter is, and by the time this comes out tomorrow, everyone will be fully aware that we’re not going to know who won today. [00:06:44] There’s every chance that by the end of today, it looks like Donald Trump won. It will be at least a week, if not a month before all of the mail and votes are counted. [00:07:00] And there is every chance that, uh, there will be a blue shift as those mail-in votes are counted. So it’s going to be a tight race, but we’re not going to know today and I’m not going to turn on my TV today. [00:07:15] I’m not going to check the news today because. I don’t want to be depressed. Seeing Donald Trump, you know, take the lead for any period of time. [00:07:24] Christina: [00:07:24] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, so I, I would, I would like, um, the New York times has a podcast called the daily and that I quite like, and they had an episode last week, um, or two weeks ago, like reliving the 2000 election. And I, um, I missed being able to vote in that election by like a week and a half or something. [00:07:45] So I, I didn’t vote in that election. And, um, but I remember like watching that and I remember, you know, like, I remember that whole thing about like the, the, the confusion of like going to bed, I think at one point, and it was, you know, [00:08:00] first it was called for Gore than it was called for, you know, then it was too close to call. [00:08:05] Then it was called for Bush and core conceded. And then like I woke up and Gore was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like I don’t concede and. That was actually his biggest mistake was that he conceded too early. And that was one of the like, genuinely, like, that was the thing that like beyond the Supreme court stuff and whatnot, like there was, you know, this whole like Brooks brothers, uh, like, uh, um, uh, you know, like riot riot or whatever. [00:08:29] And, uh, the Roger Stone led and all this stuff. And, but the big thing is that he conceded too early and it made him look like a sore loser. And so. A unless like, unless the numbers are just so skewed that there’s no way that he could like. Unless Biden, like it’s such a blow out that there’s no way that, that there’s no path to victory. [00:08:53] Trump is not going to come in and concede. And, and by the same token, like, I really, I hope that [00:09:00] everybody on Biden’s team like remembers that lesson from 20 years ago, which is no matter what happens. Like you cannot like the concede tonight. Like there’s, there’s no way like, like, even if you think that there’s no possible way for it to work out, like. [00:09:17] This is, this is not the time to like be gentlemen Lee, because a you’re not going against a competitor who is, uh, is going to give you equal, um, respect and be, as you said, we just don’t know. So, so what is your, what is your plan [00:09:37] Brett: [00:09:37] my, my plan for tonight, [00:09:40] Christina: [00:09:40] Yeah. [00:09:41] Brett: [00:09:41] I’m going to watch Frasier, uh, and ignore like everything, because what, like what, what I’m waiting for is the coup. I’m waiting for, uh, for it to look like Trump is ahead tonight. And then for Trump to make every effort to [00:10:00] end the count, uh, to, to fight, uh, all mail in ballots to try to cancel out all of the we’ll call them pandemic votes, because, uh, that’s when that’s, when the election will be rigged. [00:10:16] And when that happens, that’s when we have to start considering protests, we have to start considering rolling strikes. We have to start really fighting for democracy because like never before it hangs in the balance. [00:10:31] And if, if Trump tries to do anything, to make sure that every vote isn’t counted. Like, this is, this is a call to action. And I don’t get to pretend that I’m too old for this shit anymore. So I’m gearing up. So tonight I watched Frasier tonight, I take it easy and mentally prepare for a coup [00:10:53]Christina: [00:10:53] yeah, my neighborhood’s since, you know, June four. And, and I, I’m not like opposed [00:11:00] I’m opposed to the, to the white people and Arcus bullshit, but I’m not opposed to like the protests and stuff in general. But like, my neighborhood has been like a protest zone since June. And, um, I don’t even, I can’t even imagine what it’s going to be like tonight, honestly, like. [00:11:16] Um, so, cause I live, you know, near the, the chop or the Chaz or, or whatever you want to call it. Like, I don’t live in it, but I live like a couple blocks from it. Um, and uh, the people who in my apartment complex are actually suing the city over it. And, uh, anyway, you know, so there’s, uh, which honestly fair because the, the city was so incompetent with the whole thing. [00:11:40] That’s a whole other issue, but, um, like. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens in downtown Seattle tonight, because I have a feeling that is it’s going to be crazy, like one way or the other, you know what I mean? Like, because as you said, I’m, I’m kind of waiting [00:12:00] for AI again, like, unless it was just a total blowout and he doesn’t have anybody who expect, you know what I mean? [00:12:07] Like, and even if it is a total blowout, I’m not expecting Trump to concede. Um, but. You know, unless I were to happen where it was like, it made people like, like confident, like, okay, this is how this is going to happen. Like there’s going to be, they’re going to be riots is all I’m saying. And like one way or another like, period and, um, just kind of preparing for that. [00:12:28] Brett: [00:12:28] So do you have any special outfits planned for the civil war? [00:12:31] Christina: [00:12:31] yeah. Um, well, I I’ve spent, I’ve spent a lot of money on Supreme during the pandemic, so I guess that [00:12:40] Brett: [00:12:40] is Supreme. [00:12:42] Christina: [00:12:42] Supreme is very, very overpriced, but well overpriced because you have to pay, uh, for, from scalpers. Um, but they’re a skateboard kind of shop, um, and streetwear company and they do, they do drops like every Thursday. [00:12:58] But the thing is, is that they [00:13:00] sell out of their drops, like immediately and then scalpers charge two, three, four times as much for their stuff. So it’s just like street wear stuff. So. Uh, I have, uh, I I’ve I’ve um, I have a lot of Supreme stuff and so I, I guess like the revolution will be Supreme, uh, outfitted in that, [00:13:20] Brett: [00:13:20] you have so much more money than I do. You have so much money. I’m surprised you’re not a Republican. That’s a joke. I’m joking. How dare you? [00:13:30] Christina: [00:13:30] Seriously. I mean, well, the irony with all of that, right, is that, is that I talked to, I don’t talk to, because I don’t go on Facebook, but I see people on Facebook who are people that like, I went to college with, uh, or, or high school with who are talking about taxes and this and that, and are, you know, are Republicans and whatnot and, and, and they’re going on and on about all this shit. [00:13:51] And I’m like, I pay more in taxes than you make. Like. And I’m still a Democrat, like fuck off. [00:14:00] Like I’m like, I’m, I’m, you know, uh, I’m not in to be clear. I am not in that. Like, I personally make $400,000 a year category that, you know, the, the Joe Biden has this, this, this I’m not there, but I’m like, eh, I certainly, um, I make a lot more than I made four years ago. [00:14:20] That that’s absolutely true. And I pay a whole lot more in taxes than, um, a lot of people who like. I grew up with who were complaining about stuff. I’m like, I’m like shut up. Like I’m in like the top. And the problem is, is that I make enough money where I don’t like, I make enough money that I pay a lot in taxes, which I’m completely fine with, but I don’t make so much money that I can like be part of the tax shelters. [00:14:45] You know what I mean? Like, so it’s like that weird middle zone where it’s like, Oh no, you’re the person who like, actually like. Pays and then some, and that’s fine. I’m, I’m not like in any way mad about that. Uh, it is what it is. And, and, [00:15:00] uh, my only if I could bitch about anything with that, it’s that I wish that all the, the fact that, you know, the large percentage of my income that I pay in taxes, I wish that that meant that we had a social safety net for everyone. [00:15:13] Right. Like that would be that, that’s the only thing that bothers me. Right. It’s like, okay, like, You know, people like me and my, my big tech ilk pay a lot of money in taxes, which is fine, but we still don’t have national healthcare. And we still have people who don’t have a safety net and we still have seniors who feel like they can’t retire. [00:15:34] And we still have, you know, people who are on the poverty line and we still have like other really fucked up situations. And like, that’s, that’s where I’d become like frustrated. I’m like, okay. You know, like, There, there is a big sector, not big, but a not small sector of people who are putting a lot into this. [00:15:54] And we still don’t have these programs if we would just spend our money the right way on things like [00:16:00] universal healthcare. Because I would just like to think that for like my by 35% or whatever the hell my rate is, like, it would be nice if everybody had healthcare. [00:16:10] Brett: [00:16:10] Yeah, well, that’s, that’s the thing. We, the tax rate on the wealthy has gone from. Uh, over the course of the last a hundred years, gone from like over 70% down to like what, like 15, 20% now. And you would think if trickle down economics worked, [00:16:32] Christina: [00:16:32] right. [00:16:33] Brett: [00:16:33] if that worked, we would, we would all be taken care of and the economy would be, uh, working for the poor. [00:16:42] It would be working for a middle class, but the middle class has consistently shrunk every time we lower taxes on the upper class, so. [00:16:53] Christina: [00:16:53] thing, right? Because like, technically, like I’m upper middle class. Like I’m not in the 1%, I’m not [00:16:59] Brett: [00:16:59] Sure. [00:17:00] Yeah. [00:17:00] Christina: [00:17:00] in the 3%. Like I’m in like the upper middle class thing, but like that, you know, I’m, I’m like what my parents were and, um, Yeah, like it gets smaller and smaller and smaller. [00:17:11] And th th th the thing is depending on where you live. Okay. Uh, it’s a little bit different now because of the pandemic and stuff and, and housing prices and rent prices are actually insanely in a weird state, like in San Francisco. But even that said, like making what I make, if I lived in San Francisco, I would actually get a raise. [00:17:31] Um, like Microsoft would [00:17:33] Brett: [00:17:33] Sure. Yeah. [00:17:34] Christina: [00:17:34] because costs of even though the cost of living, isn’t actually that much higher. If I lived in San Francisco or in New York, my salary, my base salary would be higher. And the thing is, is that when I made, you know, $115,000 a year living in New York city, that was like, okay, I can pay my rent and I can pay my taxes and I can like do other stuff. [00:17:57] And I maybe have [00:18:00] $400 left at the end of the, the month. [00:18:02] Brett: [00:18:02] AOL offered to double my salary if I would move to San Francisco. Um, and I was making six figures to start with, so it was a significant increase, but when I did the math, the difference, even with a double salary, [00:18:19] Christina: [00:18:19] Was still you were going to be losing [00:18:22] Brett: [00:18:22] Yeah, I still would have had less disposable income [00:18:26] Christina: [00:18:26] totally. Well, yeah. [00:18:29] Brett: [00:18:29] it just, it wasn’t worth it. I, I actually, I like it in Minnesota, but the number one thing that I’ve come to appreciate, uh, is how cheap it is to live here. [00:18:41] Christina: [00:18:41] Yeah. I mean, cause that’s the thing, right? Is that it’s like, I make a lot of money, but I still don’t own a house and I’m still not in a position to buy a house, like period. Like, you know what I mean? Like it’s one of those things it’s like, okay. It like. If okay. If I had spent, if I’d spent my whole career working for like a big tech company. [00:19:00] [00:19:00] Being the age that I am, I could absolutely afford to buy a house, but I didn’t. Right. So it was like, okay, I’ve got, I’ve got three years of this. So it was like, okay, I have, you know, decent savings and I could buy a house in the suburbs, maybe. Um, although even that would be like hard. And, um, but otherwise it’s like, no, cause you know, you need like a 20% down payment and you need other stuff. [00:19:22] And it’s like, I don’t have that kind of money. Like, [00:19:26] Brett: [00:19:26] See here, here. I can get a nice house, not a mansion, but a nice house for less than one year salary that they were going to pay me. And in San Francisco, I mean, you can get a decent house for right around 200. [00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] right. See, the thing is, and I would need 200 as a down payment. [00:19:44] Brett: [00:19:44] I know. I know. I looked into it. It’s insane. And when I, when I did the calculations, that was just me living in an apartment. [00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] exactly. [00:19:53] Brett: [00:19:53] there was no chance of home ownership on that salary. [00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] No, not even remotely close. I mean, and that’s the [00:20:00] thing is it’s this it’s like, and, and that’s the thing too, is that it’s like, yeah. Okay. A lot of the big tech companies, like we’re very blessed and I’m in no way complaining because we are so much better off than so many other people, uh, globally. And, and it it’s, it’s not a complaint, but it is one of those things it’s like, okay, if you don’t live in the Midwest or someplace that has affordable housing, Then even that said, you are in your thirties, like me and you’re making, you know, a good six figure income and you can’t afford to be a homeowner. [00:20:31] Like your, your options for that are to go to the suburbs, to rent or to start really young and put money away. So that by the time you’ve been at it for 15 years, then you can, you can do [00:20:45] Brett: [00:20:45] Yeah, but, but you starting really young these days. Isn’t an option anymore. Like are, are starting with millennials and on people aren’t making enough to save them. [00:20:58] Christina: [00:20:58] No. I agree. Well, what I mean though, is [00:21:00] like, if you were hired out of college at like Amazon or Microsoft or Google or something, and that’s what I mean. Right. So, whereas whereas no, to be completely clear, like, yeah. I mean, I, I’m not alone in this and that, like if you’re a coastal person yeah. And you work at a big company. [00:21:16] Like always talk about that. People are like, Oh, you have all this money. I’m like, I’m bad with my money in the sense that I don’t have any debt, but like I buy stupid shit. Like I buy vinyl and I buy stuff from Supreme because what else am I supposed to do with it? I can’t buy a house. I can’t buy property. [00:21:31] Like I could. Yeah. But, you know, what would have been a problem? Like I actually thought about it and I’m so glad I didn’t have the money or do it, but because I didn’t have the opportunity then. Um, but I thought about like at one point I was like, well, you know, I won’t be able to own property in Seattle and I certainly wouldn’t be able to own in New York or whatever, but maybe I could buy like property someplace else and do Airbnb shit. [00:21:55] Well, thank God I didn’t because all the air, all the people who did that are so fucked. [00:22:00] They’re so screwed. I mean, and then there are a lot of people who got like the low-interest loans and whatnot, and like really are screwed because they have, you know, they’re, they’re not on the hook, these, these mortgages and like nobody’s doing Airbnb stuff. [00:22:11] So, um, you know, and it’s like, um, but like they, they cut our rent, um, which is insane. Like they actually kept our rent the same, but they gave us a free month. So. My rent is, is before parking and other stuff is 3,500 a month. And, um, so that was like, you know, basically a $300 a month, uh, cut on my rent this year, which is nuts. [00:22:37] They were like, please just don’t leave. Just, if you sign a, a six to 12 month lease, we’ll give you a free month rent. I’m like, okay, chill, I’m done, you know, [00:22:48] Brett: [00:22:48] Do you want to know how much the mortgage is on the house I’m living in? [00:22:51] Christina: [00:22:51] 1500. [00:22:53] Brett: [00:22:53] Less, I won’t go into the exact number, but it, it only has three digits. And I have [00:23:00] an office and a bedroom and a kitchen and a living room. [00:23:03] Christina: [00:23:03] see, see, and that’s the thing, right? This is why, um, I was actually there’s this thing, um, in the wall street journal, I think this week about how people are like. A mass moved from the Bay area to Colorado. And it makes sense. Um, and, and you see going to a lot of other places, the one downside of that is, and this is the thing where the tech companies and some of the other employers will screw you, is that they will lower your base rate. [00:23:28] And for some [00:23:29] Brett: [00:23:29] The Midwest tax, they call it. [00:23:31] Christina: [00:23:31] Right. And, and for some people, if you do the math, it will still work out. Um, for me, it’d be one of those things. I’m like, I don’t want to live in the Midwest and then you, like, you need a car and you need other stuff, but a lot of people are now. Like, I, I don’t think Winona is going to face this, but the Minnesota, well it’s actually, Minnesota is really cold, but you know what I mean? [00:23:51] But like, but, but, but, but the Midwest in general is going to have this big influx. I think of people, you know, kind of coming into it and like [00:24:00] Colorado is actually a perfect spot for that, because already it was a tech hub, like with Boulder and Denver and stuff, but it’s going to be even bigger when people are, people are, people are like in Boise and shit and I’m like, Montana and like, like housing prices are going up in Montana because people are like, all right, we’re going to flee, you know, San Francisco and go to Bozeman. [00:24:20] And I’m like, okay, I, and this is elitist of me, but I’m like, I don’t, I don’t know if I could live in Bozeman. Like even if it was super cheap. I think that that would just like, I think I would be driven insane, but that’s just me. [00:24:35] Brett: [00:24:35] are you ready for an awesome segue? [00:24:37] Christina: [00:24:37] I’m so ready for an awesome segue. [00:24:40] Brett: [00:24:40] Okay, Lee, I don’t mean to raise expectations cause it’s not that greatest segue, speaking of mental health, C kinda. So one of the things that my psychiatrist has recommended for me is taking vitamins D N E and uh, [00:25:00] [00:25:00] Christina: [00:25:00] mine too. [00:25:00] Brett: [00:25:00] Yeah, well, they’re, they’re great for your, for, for your, uh, your mental health, especially if you have like, uh, we, we will go into specific. [00:25:09] I’m not allowed to, that’s weird. Yeah. But, but, but, so, uh, we are sponsored this week by ritual multivitamins and, um, just got my first shipment of them this morning. So I can’t talk about how well they work yet, but. I’ll tell you why I’m excited to start. Are you ready for [00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] why are you excited? I’m so excited to hear about why you’re excited to start. [00:25:37] Brett: [00:25:37] So a lot of vitamin companies start with like great research and they have a great team of, of scientists and nutritionists and doctors, and they make a product they really believe in. And if they’re good, they often get bought up. And when a new parent company tries to optimize the product, they end up sourcing lower quality ingredients and adding fillers and sugars and a bunch of stuff you don’t want in your daily vitamins. [00:26:00] [00:26:00] And. W the thing with ritual is it has no sugars, no GMOs, no synthetic fillers, no artificial colorings, and all of its ingredients are transparently sourced all the way through. So, you know, where every, everything from the casing of the capsule to the actual nutrients in it, you can see where it comes from. [00:26:20] And because that’s like a major selling point for them. And, and the reason that I’m excited about it, I think, I think they’ll stick with that. I think even if they get bought, that’s kind of like a major feature for them. [00:26:33] Christina: [00:26:33] Yeah, no. And I have to say I, um, I haven’t received mine yet, but I’m really excited to get them because I’ve been meaning to, I need to take a daily multivitamin to be totally candid and something that I’ve, I’ve kind of. Uh, I haven’t been adhering to basic health things in these, in these times. And when you look at that, yeah, I mean, that, you’re exactly right in that a lot of the multivitamins out there, like they have a lot of those fillers and so having a company that’s committed [00:27:00] to not having that stuff, uh, is really important. [00:27:03] Brett: [00:27:03] Yeah. And you’re going to get the, the formula specifically for women. I’m taking the formula for men. Uh, they even have like a teen and postnatal formulas. Um, [00:27:15] Christina: [00:27:15] I should maybe be getting the teen formula. [00:27:18]Brett: [00:27:18] You young ins? Um, my formula has 10 nutrients. I’m not, I’m not sure offhand what’s in the women’s formula, but mine includes vitamin E N D. [00:27:30] And even some B12. It’s not a button injection, but it is. I’m getting some B12 out of it. And, uh, and they’re vegan friendly. Yay. Uh, and, uh, as someone who’s doing intermittent fasting, I also liked that they use a delayed release capsule that dissolves later, uh, in less sensitive areas of the stomach. So I can take them even if I’m not eating a meal. [00:27:56] Cause I skipped breakfast, but I like to take my vitamins in the [00:28:00] morning. So that’s, that’s a selling point. [00:28:03] Christina: [00:28:03] No, that that’s good, actually. Yeah, no, cause I’m the same way I like to take a, I don’t do intermittent fasting. I just don’t eat in the morning. Um, so having a [00:28:11] Brett: [00:28:11] Same difference. [00:28:13] Christina: [00:28:13] basically, right? It’s like, well, yeah, this is like the dirty secret. I’m like, Oh, I don’t do intermittent fasting. [00:28:18] I just eat once a day. And like, Oh, that’s kind of what that is. It is. [00:28:22] Brett: [00:28:22] That’s that’s literally what that is. Um, but you deserve to know what’s in your multivitamin and that’s why ritual ritual is offering our listeners 10% off during your first three months. So you can visit ritual.com/overtired to start your ritual today. We did it. Yeah. [00:28:43] Christina: [00:28:43] am. I am actually, I am actually legit happy to, uh, to get these and start taking them because I have not been, I have been neglecting basic health things. [00:28:53]Brett: [00:28:53] Yeah. Get your vitamin D and D. [00:28:55] Christina: [00:28:55] Okay. For, for real, I mean, I don’t go outside anymore, so, and, and [00:29:00] it’s like, it’s a problem. We were actually talking about like, naturally we were talking about like our vitamin D deficiencies last week or two weeks [00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] And we talked about B12. I feel like everything’s coming full circle. [00:29:12] Christina: [00:29:12] it is thank you, ritual. [00:29:13] Brett: [00:29:13] So, um, the other thing that really helped my mental health this week, uh, with some escapism with friends, uh, I did, uh, with, with Dave Chartier and Dan Peterson and Marina Appleman and Christopher gambler wall inject just to drop some names that most people probably don’t know. [00:29:35] Um, [00:29:36] Christina: [00:29:36] but, but I know, and, and they’re all awesome. So [00:29:39] Brett: [00:29:39] Yeah. So we did a virtual movie night. It was our second one. We did one a while back. We watched mr. Wright, which despite its, its rotten tomatoes rating is actually a fantastic movie. Uh, we’ve probably talked about it. I never shut up about mr. Wright, but uh, on Halloween [00:30:00] we got together on zoom. And then set up a group messages conversation and then used plexes watch together feature to play. [00:30:12] Uh, John dies at the end, [00:30:14] Christina: [00:30:14] nice. [00:30:15] Brett: [00:30:15] is again, it’s, it’s like 60 bucks from rotten tomatoes. And if you actually read the reviews, everyone hated it, but it’s, it’s still a fun movie, especially with friends. Um, But it will like it works because you can, we mute the zoom call while the movie’s playing. And with watch together, you hit play and it plays for everybody. [00:30:36] And so then we mute the zoom call and we switched to the text messages. So we have the running MST three K style, like witty remarks all the way [00:30:46] Christina: [00:30:46] Oh, I love it. [00:30:47] Brett: [00:30:47] And with the current version of messages, you can thread replies. [00:30:50] Christina: [00:30:50] That’s right. Oh, that’s fun. I went in on the next one that [00:30:54] Brett: [00:30:54] I will include you next time. I didn’t want to bother you on Halloween. I figured you had things [00:31:00] going on. [00:31:00] Christina: [00:31:00] Oh, I was sick, so I was asleep, but yeah. Um, [00:31:04] Brett: [00:31:04] yes, you will. Definitely. You’re already my friend on Plex. So it would be easy to loop you in. Uh, and it is a fun bunch of people and it it’s, there’s something about like, I’ve, I’ve texted, watched with people before where we just kind of like, we know we’re watching the same thing and you do that thing where you’re like, okay, hit play. [00:31:24] Yeah, no, no. Now hit play and you try to like time it so that you’re seeing the same thing at the same time. So you can have really rapid fire text conversations about it. The Hulu has a watched together feature as well. I’m not sure. [00:31:40] Christina: [00:31:40] I think Netflix finally released one [00:31:43] Brett: [00:31:43] Okay. So yeah, you can do this with a whole bunch of different platforms. Uh, but it, it takes that whole like synchronized start thing out of the mix. [00:31:52] Christina: [00:31:52] Right. Right. [00:31:53] Brett: [00:31:53] having the zoom call, having the video, the zoom call and being able, even if they’re muted, being able [00:32:00] to see other people and, you know, see them laugh when, when you’re laughing and it adds this very much, a social. [00:32:09] Aspect to it that you don’t get otherwise. And here’s the thing, even with having to have three different technologies running and, and streaming platforms and everything, it’s easier to pull together a digital watch party than it ever was to actually get people together in the same room. [00:32:31] Christina: [00:32:31] right. Yeah. Um, so early in pandemic, uh, you know, 400 years ago or. And I think it actually was Marsh, even though it still feels like it’s Marshall, like that’s the joke is that it’s still March. Uh, I think what did I watch? I watched with Pershant and his wife, melody. We all got on, we got on FaceTime and we watched, I think we watched, uh, the, the Nancy Meyers film, um, the intern. [00:32:53] Um, but we might’ve watched another Anne Hathaway movie. I don’t remember, but what we watched it together and it was fun, you know, just, but it was that [00:33:00] same thing. It was like over FaceTime and we were, we, we were basically sinked up or whatever, but it is that problem where like, even if you think you’ve got it done, like, you know, it can still be in precise, but you’re exactly right. [00:33:11] Like just being able to see somebody, even if you’re muted. Is really, really awesome. And, and you’re also right. That it’s way easier than like finding people to invite over and be like, okay, we can all get together at this [00:33:23] Brett: [00:33:23] Well, and then you have to clean your house. [00:33:25] Christina: [00:33:25] Well, that’s the whole thing. Yeah. I was like, I got to, my house is a nightmare. [00:33:29] Brett: [00:33:29] have to serve snacks. [00:33:32] Christina: [00:33:32] Yeah. That I don’t ever mind, I’ll just order out. But the cleaning thing is, is definitely an issue. And or if you live like our living room is a decent enough size, but we. I don’t know it’s full of guitars and other stuff, but like in New York, but like in New York, for instance, we could never have people over because our living room was also kind of like our kitchen area. [00:33:53] Like, it was the way that like the layout was because our apartment was so small, [00:33:56] Brett: [00:33:56] With the bathroom in the corner and everything. Yeah, no, I’m just [00:34:00] [00:33:59] Christina: [00:33:59] Yeah. Well, no. [00:34:01] Brett: [00:34:01] I have seen pictures of New York apartments where the bathroom is in the kitchen. [00:34:05] Christina: [00:34:05] Yeah. And I mean, ours was not in the kitchen, but it was like this, this tiny little, like, it shouldn’t have been a bathroom. Let’s just put it that way. Um, but yeah, so yeah, that, that’s awesome. Um, I definitely went on to the next thing and, uh, also kudos for, for Plex, for introducing that. Cause I think a lot of the services are doing it now, but there’d been a bunch of extensions, like Chrome extensions that people had created to get up the sinking. [00:34:31] Um, and, and I think it was so popular with pandemic that the services were finally like, okay, we’ll do it. Like, I think Amazon has one, but then they’re limited by like what content we’ll support it on or whatever. Whereas Plex doesn’t have to worry about that. Cause they’re just like, Hey, we don’t know what you’re watching. [00:34:46] Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Um, [00:34:48] Brett: [00:34:48] don’t know how you got it on your Plex. We assume you ripped your Blu-rays. [00:34:53] Christina: [00:34:53] yeah. W we assumed that everything was just completely kosher, but. [00:34:56] Brett: [00:34:56] Here’s a here’s I admire him for this, but I [00:35:00] could never live by it. But, but Dan, uh, from the, he’s the, he’s the designer for agile bits, um, one password and he, uh, yeah, I was saying for the benefit of [00:35:12] Christina: [00:35:12] uh, yes, I, I’m sorry. You’re correct. [00:35:16]Brett: [00:35:16] He, he, his Plex consists only of movies. He actually owns on blue Ray. [00:35:22] Christina: [00:35:22] Cool. [00:35:23] Brett: [00:35:23] That, yeah, that’s, that’s my response as well. Cool. Like I have a certain admiration for that. That’s, that’s a, that’s a strong, moral code to live [00:35:31] Christina: [00:35:31] Yeah. Yeah. I used to have a, uh, so I used to have a thing when I was in high school. Um, and then in college a little bit where I was like, and this was like the Haiti of Napster. So I was like in, in [00:35:44] Brett: [00:35:44] Oh, I thought you said Haiti of Napster. I was like, was there a, a disaster? Okay. Hey, Hey day. [00:35:50] Christina: [00:35:50] heyday, heyday. Yeah. Uh, so, cause I was like in like 10th or 11th grade when Napster came out, uh, and I used to have this rule where I was like, okay, if I download more [00:36:00] than like three songs from the same album that I need to buy the CD and I would stay, I would, I would. Like hold myself to that. [00:36:06] Um, and I do have an enormous and tremendous Blu-ray and DVD collection, like thousands of titles. So a lot of the stuff on my Plex is stuff I actually own, but not all of it. But the bigger thing is that there are like TV shows. There’s stuff that we have that like is not available. Like you were talking about mystery science theater 3000, um, grant is obsessed with riff tracks and he’s also obsessed with MST three TK and like, So much of that stuff has never been like the refracts have, have been released, but so much of like the actual commentary things or whatever, but you know, some of those movies aren’t are readily available and um, like the MST three K you know, series episodes, they release like some best stub stuff, but most of that’s not available. [00:36:50] So there’s some stuff that it’s like, yeah, I would, I would very much like to. You know, legally by this, but you won’t sell it to me or you will, [00:37:00] but it will be neutered. Um, and so, yeah, so I, I, but I, I do respect like the, the commitment to being like, Oh, I’m, I’m only gonna, uh, have stuff that I own a Blu-ray like, again, like full props to that. [00:37:13] Um, that is not my reality, but I have respect [00:37:18] Brett: [00:37:18] for a lot, um, like my own Plex library, uh, which you haven’t seen because we’ve never actually, now that I think about it, become friends on Plex, uh, friends on Plex prints on flex. Um, you. You never accepted my invite. So, [00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] that I did. [00:37:37] Brett: [00:37:37] aye. Aye. Aye. You’re still under, under pending invitations, but, but like most of my Plex library is movies that I couldn’t find streaming and, and went out, uh, like cemetery, man. [00:37:51] You’re not going to find on any streaming platform, but it’s totally worth having. And I owned it at one point on VHS, so [00:38:00] I don’t feel bad. [00:38:01] Christina: [00:38:01] cruel intentions. Which real true story. 1999, cruel intentions is not available on streaming and it’s not even available on iTunes anymore. I do have an iTunes purchase that I was able to get at one point I believe. And it is on, I have it on, uh, it’s shared with me on a number of different Plex things, but yeah, they’re like weird movies, uh, even like big ones that sometimes they’re just not available on streaming. [00:38:27] And it’s fortunately getting. Less and less, but yeah, there are a number of things you’re like, yeah, this is not available. This is out of print. [00:38:37] Brett: [00:38:37] And you know this, like, I don’t have to worry about it anymore. I used to be the same about music as you were like, I would grab a song if I just had a song stuck in my head and I could get it for free. I would go buy it or go steal it. But if I. If I really liked the song or I wanted more than one song off the album, I, I would buy the album, [00:39:00] but that be like, once iTunes started offering single tracks for 99 cents, [00:39:06] Christina: [00:39:06] right. [00:39:06] Brett: [00:39:06] I didn’t have to feel bad anymore. [00:39:08] And now, now I live in a world where it is rare, except for, besides in demos. It is rare that I can’t find the song I’m looking for on a service I’m legitimately paying for. [00:39:22] Christina: [00:39:22] Yeah, no, it’s hard. There are certain, there’s some things, and again, it’s weird. Like Ellia is one of the few artists who’s not on streaming, uh, which is. Sad because a whole generation hasn’t really been able to discover her music. And that’s a weird thing. I think that her uncle, uh, who owns the rights to that label stuff, like there’s some weird thing. [00:39:42] And he was, she’s not on the streaming. They were a couple of other artists, but by and large, most of those things are, um, not, um, like you can find anything, you know, like that’s, that’s kind of the, the thing. Um, you’re going to have to send me the invite again, cause I don’t even see it as a pending [00:40:00] invite. [00:40:01] Um, but actually hold on a second users and sharing, this is, this is great radio right now. Oh, no, I got it. Okay, cool. All right. I’m I’m I’ve accepted. Thank you. Um, so [00:40:13] Brett: [00:40:13] Eric moment. We’ve waited for weeks for, for Christina to get on my Plex. [00:40:17] Christina: [00:40:17] Now I’m on your Plex and I’ll need to, [00:40:20] Brett: [00:40:20] Make sure you share your libraries with [00:40:22] Christina: [00:40:22] yeah, yeah, exactly. I’ll have grant do it because, um, we. Stupidly have two separate flex accounts. [00:40:29] Um, so, but yeah, um, In this day and age, like music is kind of a commodity. So most things are available, but not everything like I still miss oink, which was the best music tracker ever. And, and funny story, I’ve interviewed Trent Reznor twice over the years. And both times I talked to him about oink because he was a famous like user and a member of, of that, uh, of the, the very best, uh, private tracker, uh, [00:41:00] Torrent music site, like it had everything. [00:41:02] And, um, the last time I talked to him about it was actually during the Apple music launch, it didn’t make it into my article, but we did have a nice conversation about that. Uh, much to the chagrin of the PR people who were on the line, who I’m sure were not at all thrilled that me and, and, uh, you know, uh, Trent Reznor, uh, we’re we’re talking about, you know, like, Quasi illegal access to music, but, but the whole point being at this point, you know, now you don’t even have to buy the single tracks because if you subscribe to Spotify or Apple music or title or Amazon music or whatever, uh, Deezer, you have access to basically every song and album out there, [00:41:45]Brett: [00:41:45] Yeah. I got distracted going through other people’s flex libraries. That’s that’s our show now, just going through other people’s flex libraries. Um, So I there’s a show on [00:42:00] Netflix, which is kind of a segue. I, we, we did just mention Netflix recently. So, um, I feel like I’m getting, I’m getting better at this. [00:42:10] Christina: [00:42:10] you know, this is a good segue. Cause we were talking about entertainment. This is, this is a perfect [00:42:13] Brett: [00:42:13] Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, Queens gambit is a show that it’s about chess, which. I, I, I’m not good at chess. Like I’ve lost plenty of chess games in my life, but I’m no, I’m no fan of chess. So I didn’t think I’d be super into it, but the preview sparked my interest and I started watching it and I just finished it last night. [00:42:40] And it’s actually, I loved it. Have you seen Queen’s gambit? [00:42:45] Christina: [00:42:45] Yeah, I’ve seen some of it. And then I had a whole, I had a weird conversation with my friends, Alex and Katherine, and one of our group chats about, uh, Anna or Anya Taylor joy who pays, who plays Beth, because she [00:43:00] is like somebody who a, she looks like a million women out there, but be like, they’re the, the age range, I guess, that she kind of like plays. [00:43:12] And this is, is kind of interesting. So, yeah. [00:43:17] Brett: [00:43:17] Yeah. She plays every age except for like the nine-year-old version of her. [00:43:21] Christina: [00:43:21] Right. [00:43:23] Brett: [00:43:23] So I won’t give away the ending, but it’s, it’s a girl who started playing chess in the basement of an orphanage with the janitor and got obsessed with it. And, uh, meanwhile like develops, uh, some. Uh, drug and alcohol dependencies and becomes like state dependent. [00:43:45] Like she can’t play chess without trucks, which is, yeah, I get it. Like, there was a point in my life where I couldn’t do art without drugs, so I get that [00:43:58] Christina: [00:43:58] Yeah. Um, well, now that we’re [00:44:00] having this conversation, so when I tried watching this, I guess when this came out a couple of weeks ago or whatever, I wound up going down some weird rabbit hole of, of chess movies. So it was watching, you know, um, uh, um, searching for Bobby Fischer, which I hadn’t seen in a long time. [00:44:14] And then that led me down this really weird, like Bobby Fischer. Like rabbit hole, which I don’t recommend people going down. Cause that just gets disturbing. Um, but yeah, I went, but I D I remember, I remember this succinctly now, because this is why I didn’t finish this series because I wound up going down some weird rabbit hole, Wikipedia pages about various chess grandmasters, [00:44:35] Brett: [00:44:35] You, uh, you and your Wikipedia keyholes. [00:44:38] Christina: [00:44:38] Yes, my Wikipedia K holes. That is, that is totally, I mean, that’s like, that’s a good, like solid throwback to what our show fundamentally is, which is both of us just like getting sucked into these K holes of internet ridiculousness, but yeah. Um, I, uh, I’ll finish it, but yeah. Um, I wanted to hear your [00:45:00] thoughts on it without kind of spoiling things. [00:45:03] Are you a fan? You’re not a fan, like. [00:45:05] Brett: [00:45:05] of, of the show. Yeah. I E I found it very, very compelling. Um, I, it it’s dark in a way, like, I guess partly because it just deals with, well, I know it’s a girl who, whose mom, like it develops this story of how, how w who her mom was. Uh, but like opening show, it’s like her standing on a bridge with her mom dead in a car after an automobile accident. [00:45:34] And then like going to an orphanage growing up without a parent being adopted by a family that really. Doesn’t give a shit about her. And so it’s dark. It, there’s a lot of pain involved with it and yeah, no, I found it very compelling. I finished the whole series in about a week worth it. [00:45:55] Christina: [00:45:55] awesome. Awesome. And I’m speaking about things that are kind of [00:46:00] dark, but also entertaining. I guess this is my attempt of doing the John Oliver Memorial sewage plant. [00:46:06]Brett: [00:46:06] it’s not dark. It’s a very heartwarming story. Uh, for anyone who didn’t follow this at, at some point in the past, it’s been a while. Uh, John Oliver took a random swipe at a town called Danbury in Connecticut, uh, and just, just ream them for no apparent reason. Just one of his, like [00:46:32] Christina: [00:46:32] One of his things. [00:46:34] Brett: [00:46:34] just, just a take down of a completely innocent little Berg and they responded with some brilliant social media, um, kind of, uh, uh, retaliations and they, they got his attention and it became kind of a, a tit for tat back and forth. [00:46:58] And eventually. [00:47:00] Uh, as an insult, the mayor of Danbury, uh, said they were, he showed a sign and said, In honor of John Oliver, they were renaming their sewage treatment plant that John Oliver Memorial sewage plant, not just the John Oliver, sewage plant the Memorial and, and he loved it. And then it turned out that it was just a joke. [00:47:28] Uh, and he said that if they would actually do it, he would donate, it was like $70,000. [00:47:37] Christina: [00:47:37] something like that. [00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Uh, uh, tens of thousands of dollars to three different charities, uh, in their area and, uh, and would show up for the, uh, the ribbon cutting and everything. And it, it, it went on for a little while the mayor seemed to equivocate on it. [00:47:56] Uh, and then they had, and he televised the, uh, [00:48:00] the city council, the zoom based city council meeting, where they voted on whether to do this. And to me, it seemed like such an obvious, like naming a suicide. This plant shouldn’t be a big deal. They were actually dissenting city council members that just didn’t want to have anything to do with this nonsense. [00:48:22] But. [00:48:23] Christina: [00:48:23] We’re not amused by the joke. They didn’t like the fact that he was like, it’s full of shit. Just like me. Like, yeah. Yeah. [00:48:30] Brett: [00:48:30] but it was a, it was a very, ultimately they did officially rename it. And his last show closed out with, uh, with him at the ribbon cutting ceremony, fully dressed that decked out in like a hazmat suit. It, it was, it was heartwarming and brilliant and I’m glad it happened. [00:48:49] Christina: [00:48:49] So, um, and it’s just like the perfect John Oliver thing, because that’s, that’s this, I mean, he’s, he’s done that sort of thing, uh, before, not to this sort of, uh, extent, but, [00:49:00] but he’s had these sorts of back and forth with cities and with companies and stuff before. And, uh, I love it when, when this sort of stuff happens. [00:49:06] He’s, he’s my favorite. And, uh, like that, that is still to me, I will say the show is lost something when it’s not in front of a live audience. I still laugh, but there is something weird about not having, you know, an audience there to [00:49:20] Brett: [00:49:20] that’s true of all the talk shows. Yeah. [00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] It is, it is. Uh, but, but I still like, he’s one of my favorites and, and over the last, you know, five years or however long has shows been on. [00:49:32] And even before that, when he was on the daily show, like, he’s, he’s one of the rare, like, kind of like bright spots in, in the hellscape that has been, you know, kind of humanity in the news. I think, uh, It it’s, it’s, it’s sort of sad that it’s taken. I mean, he’s, he obviously comes from like the John Stewart school of all this stuff, but it is sort of sad that it is sometimes it’s takes like the comedians to approach news in the best [00:50:00] way and be like the most explanatory and informative, you know, like there there’s, there’s something that’s kinda messed up about that, [00:50:07] Brett: [00:50:07] Speaking of, [00:50:08] Christina: [00:50:08] job. [00:50:09] Yes. [00:50:10] Brett: [00:50:10] this isn’t even a segue. This is just a downright continuation. What do you know about John Stewart and Apple TV plus? [00:50:16]Christina: [00:50:16] he announced something. That’s all I know. I don’t. [00:50:21] Brett: [00:50:21] Yeah. I, I don’t know. I, I heard there was, it was, uh, um, Jon Stewart was on whose show. Oh, it was Cole bear. He was on the late show with Cole bear and Cole bear made some comment about Apple TV, plus congratulations on your Apple TV plus deal. And I couldn’t find an explanation of this, but nothing, nothing in the last month, maybe the last year has been as exciting to me as the idea of John Stewart coming back right [00:50:56] Christina: [00:50:56] Oh, I agree. I agree. Okay. So this is from the New York times. John Stewart returns the [00:51:00] spotlight with a series for Apple TV plus on his new program, the former daily show host will explore topics that are currently part of the national conversation and his advocacy work. Apple said, so. Uh, so I’m not sure it’s, it’s it’s, uh, um, Apple TV, uh, plus Senate ordered the series for multiple seasons. [00:51:16] It will feature one hour episodes, each dedicated to a single topic. Apple didn’t describe the format, whether it would be an interview series or something closer to John Oliver’s weekly HBO series or specify how many episodes it would have per [00:51:28] Brett: [00:51:28] Yeah, so we know nothing. [00:51:30] Christina: [00:51:30] so we know nothing. My hope is that it will be kind of in the John Oliver style, like. [00:51:36] You know, because a, the job or style is in some ways kind of a continuation of what John Oliver did on, um, you know, daily show and, and kind of coming from that perspective. Uh, but, um, like it doesn’t need to be a total rip off of that, but that would actually be good thing for Apple to be in, to have one of those types of shows. [00:52:00] [00:51:59] And, uh, I just hope that it doesn’t get like, too, like, uh, I hope they keep the humor. Right? Like, I hope [00:52:06] Brett: [00:52:06] Oh, yeah. [00:52:07] Christina: [00:52:07] trust them. I trust that they’ll nail the format once they come to that. I just hope that they, you know, that it doesn’t try to be too earnest. That’s my only thing, like, like don’t lean into the earnest news too much. [00:52:18] Brett: [00:52:18] Well, see, that’s the thing that makes John Stewart. One of my heroes is his ability to be humorous and self-deprecating while still being. Very earnest, [00:52:29] Christina: [00:52:29] agreed. [00:52:30] Brett: [00:52:30] not approaching it as just like, I’m going to lecture you on this topic, but we’re going to, we’re going to look at it from a honestly, it’s a very Jewish sense of humor and it’s everything that I love about the Jewish sense of humor. [00:52:45] Um, [00:52:45] Christina: [00:52:45] totally is. I just mean that, like, you could see that, and I don’t have any like fears about John Oliver or not John of about Jon Stewart doing this just more with, with whoever has showrunners or whatever would be is that I wanted to keep that humor because it could get into an earnest [00:53:00] place too. [00:53:00] Like it could be too earnest. And then that would be like preachy and, and not that I’m opposed to being preached at, by, by John Stewart, because I would totally watch that. But part of what made the daily show. So perfect was that he could be really earnest as you said, but he was funny, but he also, wasn’t afraid, as you also said, to being silly and to just kind of going into that other and that other stuff. [00:53:22] And I it’s, it’s interesting. I do feel like, you know, the success of Stephen Colbert and, uh, of John Oliver, you know, part of me feels bad for Trevor Noah A. Little bit because. You know, the, the, the people who’d who’ve, uh, you know, Samantha bee’s show was really good, even though that didn’t last, you know, but like the all, Oh, she’s still on. [00:53:42] Brett: [00:53:42] Yeah, I watch her show. I don’t remember. She, I watched her on YouTube now. I don’t remember what networks she ended up on. [00:53:48] Christina: [00:53:48] Uh, TBS, I think, but, um, but yeah, so, you know, like the, the whole, you know, the, the secondary characters all went on to, Oh, it was Larry Wal-Mart that, that, uh, that his shirt it lasts, [00:54:00] um, [00:54:00] Brett: [00:54:00] actually, uh, Larry Wilmore has something new now. [00:54:03] Christina: [00:54:03] Good for him. Uh, but, but, [00:54:06] Brett: [00:54:06] but it’s not as good. Anyway, your point stands. [00:54:08] Christina: [00:54:08] but my, my, my, my point being like, pardon me feels kind of bad for Trevor Noah, because it’s like, all of the secondary characters went on to having these really good shows in their own. [00:54:16] Right. And, and it’s been hard for him to kind of get well, part of it too is just, he’s not as good. Like, [00:54:23] Brett: [00:54:23] Yeah, he just, isn’t [00:54:24] Christina: [00:54:24] he’s just, he’s just not as good. And, and that’s, [00:54:27] Brett: [00:54:27] the show the show feels like and okay. So it feels like it’s made for kids and maybe the daily show always was made for kids. And I just got old, but his, he, Trevor Noah, I don’t feel like an adult watching the daily show anymore. [00:54:44] Christina: [00:54:44] Yeah. And I think, I mean, cause I re I watched the daily show when it was Craig Kilborn and, and, and I remember when Jon Stewart took over, I was, I was like 15 or 16 and I was like a huge fan. I was like, Oh, he’s doing really good stuff. And I’d like to Craig Kilborn, but it [00:55:00] obviously became like a much better [00:55:01] Brett: [00:55:01] It was a very different show after [00:55:03] Christina: [00:55:03] completely different. [00:55:04] Yeah. Like it was a completely different show. And, and you could just see, like for the beginning, John Stewart just had like a different sensibility in a different [00:55:11] Brett: [00:55:11] Get a different vision for it [00:55:14] Christina: [00:55:14] That’s what I mean exactly. Like his, his vision. He was like, this is not going to be the same thing and, and it, and it wasn’t. [00:55:19] Um, whereas I think like Trevor Noah, Didn’t come at it with that same sort of approach. She’s tried to kind of keep what the format was. And some of the, some of the things that were part of the Jon Stewart daily show live, which makes sense. The problem being that everybody who had been like big, you know, in the John Stewart area, the biggest players all got their own shows or, you know, became parts of other things. [00:55:44] And he’s just not as good. Um, but I, I do definitely like, it’s been nice to see. You know, the success of John Oliver and Stephen Colbert, of course, but it’s, um, it’ll be interesting to see John Stewart back on TV cause I’ve missed him. You know, he’s been gone for five years and [00:56:00] [00:55:59] Brett: [00:55:59] and, and, and I have missed him more than ever in the last four years. [00:56:04] Christina: [00:56:04] agreed, agreed. Um, [00:56:06] Brett: [00:56:06] he got out at a good time for someone who is burnt out, this would not have been the four years to be doing what he was doing. And he was getting burnt [00:56:15] Christina: [00:56:15] Oh, he was so burned [00:56:16] Brett: [00:56:16] and the interviews were lame by the time he was done. Uh, like he w he was not this sharp interviewer that he was previously. [00:56:26] Uh, I, I get, he needed a break, but now is the time to come back. [00:56:30] Christina: [00:56:30] no, totally. I mean, I kind of feel the same way about Keith Warren to a certain extent. Um, [00:56:34] Brett: [00:56:34] my God. I gave up on him years ago. [00:56:36] Christina: [00:56:36] Well, you know, but that’s the thing, like he kind of got burned. This is sort of my point though. Like he got burned out and, but didn’t quit and, and, and still kept kind of doing his own thing, although he’s quit ESPN yet again, to go back to doing, um, like, uh, political commentary stuff, which is good. [00:56:53] I think that he’s just going to be doing it on, on YouTube or something. Um, but I, um, [00:57:00] yeah, yeah. He’s going to start a political commentary program on, on his YouTube channel and. I, I could get into that. You know, it has been a few years since, um, I’ve been able to watch him do any of that stuff. Maybe, maybe this’ll be a good time again, but there was a part of, [00:57:14] Brett: [00:57:14] Go ahead. Sorry. [00:57:16] Christina: [00:57:16] I was just gonna say this would have been a time that in like a perfect world, he would have been, if he hadn’t been, if he hadn’t burned himself out, would have been nice to have had him and John Stewart. [00:57:28] Brett: [00:57:28] yeah. Yes. But the thing about Olbermann is he’s full of rich white man bluster, which comes across as, uh, with some gravitas, but also now is not really the time. Now is now is a better time for Matt out than over Ben. [00:57:45] Christina: [00:57:45] Yeah, no, I don’t disagree with that. I’m just saying that, that I, I always, but there’s something to be said, I think for sure. Hopefully this nightmare will not, will now be over, but there’s something to be said about like the last four years that I do kind of wonder if you would [00:58:00] have that rich white man bluster of somebody just calling it out every single week, like directly and without the pretenses of, of journalistic integrity. If, if I don’t think anything would have changed at all, I just think it would have been cathartic. [00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] Yeah, I’ll give you that. There’s always a place for a righteous indignation. [00:58:25] Christina: [00:58:25] Yeah. I mean, he did do like the resistance with people remember or whatever, which was like his GQ series. But again, like I think that he just kind of burned himself out and, and he didn’t do himself any favors when he did the whole current TV thing and all that stuff. Like, you know, there was a lot of stuff that went on with Keith origin, but, um, but like, I don’t know, maybe this is just because I was, I was young then, but I feel like there was that, you know, in that, in the early two thousands, when you had like, That was peak daily show, but that was also peak Olbermann. [00:58:50] And that was, that was a good shit. And, uh, at least though we have people like John Oliver and what I do appreciate about John Oliver’s that he similarly [00:59:00] to, uh, to Stewart is earnest and will explain things very well. Uh, but he gets even sillier than, than, than Stuart would, you know, Like he’s, uh, his, his pop culture, um, sensibility is, is a little bit, um, different too, which I like. [00:59:19] And, you know, hence the John Oliver, uh, Memorial sewage plant. [00:59:26] Brett: [00:59:26] The guy that is a more recent daily show correspondent who now has his own show. And he does, uh, kind of his best known stuff as he goes to Trump rallies and interviews people. Um, and I’m totally forgetting his name. Uh, he’s, he’s actually really good at these, uh, these in-person on the spot interviews with, with Trump supporters and his show is it’s not called the resistance, but it’s something similar and he’s done some embedded stuff with, uh, eco warrior [01:00:00] activists. [01:00:00] And, um, man, it’s really going to bug me that I can’t remember this. Uh, all right out right here. I’m going to edit in a little spot here. It comes. That’s where, that’s where I’m going to, uh, yup. I just, I just, whatever it is, I just said it. You’re welcome. [01:00:21] Christina: [01:00:21] very nice. [01:00:22] Brett: [01:00:22] Uh, it’s very frustrating. My, my brain we’d been talking for an hour now. [01:00:28] Christina: [01:00:28] I know. And I now, like this is now Bob bothering me too. Is, is, was it, um, uh, Jordan Klepper? [01:00:34] Brett: [01:00:34] Yes. Thank you. Oh, forget about that. Edit, uh, Jordan Klepper and he has, uh, uh, do you know the name of the show? Do you have that handy? [01:00:44] Christina: [01:00:44] uh, w well, he, uh, the op the opposition with [01:00:46] Brett: [01:00:46] Yes. The opposition with Jordan Klepper, that show is actually really good if you’re looking for, um, he, he, he’s, he’s funny in, in his, uh, very sarcastic way. [01:01:00] [01:01:00] Christina: [01:01:00] yeah, I like him. [01:01:01] Brett: [01:01:01] but yeah, checkout checkout, Jordan Klepper versus Trump rallies on, uh, on YouTube, but you can find them all. It’s a comedy central show and he still does some stuff with the daily show, but definitely a, an up and coming, uh, daily show alumni. [01:01:19] Christina: [01:01:19] Yeah, I have to say like that, that has, that has to have been like his, like over the last, you know, 15, 20 years. Like, and again, this is a credit of John Stewart, but like one of the best kind of like farm [01:01:29] Brett: [01:01:29] Oh, totally. It’s a, it’s a, a mil for political comedy. [01:01:34] Christina: [01:01:34] like, honestly, like it’s, it’s, it’s like the, you know, it’s kind of like the SNL of political comment, you know what I mean? [01:01:40] Brett: [01:01:40] Yep. Totally. [01:01:41] Christina: [01:01:41] okay, you, you do, you do your tour of duty with that. And then if you’re good enough, like you get called up to the big leagues and yeah. [01:01:48] Brett: [01:01:48] the funny thing about Klepper is when he left the daily show inserted his own show, they originally did a cold bear style thing where he was actually playing the part of like info [01:02:00] Wars, like, uh, a parody of info Wars and this very hard, right. Uh, uh, parody and satire and, uh, that didn’t track as well as they thought it would. [01:02:16] Uh, he never hit like the cold bear sweet spot. And so they decided to just let him be the liberal that he is. And, and they just kind of morphed the show into him. Just being honest, instead of playing apart, which was pretty good. [01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Yeah. Yeah. I know which, which I think is like the right thing to do. Cause it’s really hard. Like. AB Cole bear again. It’s like one of those things, like you have to be the right person to be able to pull that off. And, and so many people didn’t know that. I mean, Kohlberg did it so deadpan and did it so perfectly, you know, for years, so many people didn’t know like that he was that it was an act, [01:02:56] Brett: [01:02:56] he was joking. [01:02:57] Christina: [01:02:57] Right. Which, which, which made it that much funnier [01:03:00] to the asshole liberals like you and I, and probably many of our listeners, right? Like. Well, we got to be smug, you know, assholes about it, but, [01:03:08] Brett: [01:03:08] I just never understood how someone thought that a show came on after the daily show. And that they would program two opposing shows. Like how do you not get that joke? Come on, [01:03:20] Christina: [01:03:20] Um, I mean, I agree, but I don’t know. It’s just one of those things, again, going back to John Oliver, like, it’s always hilarious to me when, whenever he does any of like the, his segments on Brexit and he would show like, there’s this, uh, there’s like this UK show where they film people, watching TV and get their actual reactions and. [01:03:41] You know, seeing people, actual people in the UK is like reaction to things about Brexit and whatnot, as they’re realizing stuff was just like stunning, you know what I mean? Uh, like just, just the, the, the dumbness. Um, and so I, you know, but this is how stuff like that [01:04:00] happens. Like, I guess I can understand that if you’re not totally plugged in, like, if you care about other stuff and the TV is just on, maybe you just think that that’s. [01:04:07] Somebody’s being serious, you know, I it’s it’s, I think it would be harder for Cole bear to pull off what he pulled off. Then now in now that like, um, linear television has disappeared to a certain extent. Like, I don’t know if he could pull off the same type of thing and that might be why Jordan Klepper’s thing didn’t [01:04:27] Brett: [01:04:27] yeah. Could very well be just a sign of the times. [01:04:30] Christina: [01:04:30] Exactly. It’s like, okay. That sort of concept only works when you’re in a linear television environment with when you’re kind of in an on demand, people choosing, you know, over the top kind of streaming scenario, you have to find a different sort of. You know, conceit to, to have, so that sort of humor, maybe you can’t do that sort of thing, right? [01:04:50] Like that the parodies are people aren’t going to get it, which actually D that could, that could be the case. Right. Because when people, when people have tried on Netflix, for [01:05:00] instance, like Joel, McHale’s various shows on Netflix, haven’t worked out and whatnot, and Netflix hasn’t been able to do any sort of daily or weekly show they’ve tried and they just, it hasn’t worked for them. [01:05:10] And I have a feeling. Uh, that’s as much of a function as Netflix as anything else. I do think Apple could succeed, but Netflix, I don’t think that the people approach it the same way that they approach linear television, which means that anything that has a specific like age on it, you know what I mean? [01:05:30] Like you have to watch this within this period of time. Doesn’t work the same way. [01:05:35] Brett: [01:05:35] I’m really impressed that on two hours of sleep, you like usually when you get really tired, You T you very easily slip into like your deep rabbit holes about like, uh, nineties, teen, uh, television shows. Um, you, you stayed like right on the surface with me just being ADHD about the news this week. [01:06:00] I’m impressed. Um, not that, not that I mind the Christina rabbit holes. That’s, that’s what we’re here for, [01:06:07] Christina: [01:06:07] Totally, [01:06:07] Brett: [01:06:07] but I do get to, I get to participate more. [01:06:11] Christina: [01:06:11] no, I appreciate, I see, I’ve been trying, I want you to participate more and plus at this point, like listeners, you have four years worth of me going on nineties rabbit holes about teen dramas and. And I could write a dissertation on it, uh, which should be worthless. Uh, our, our, our friend Marina would, would, uh, gladly tell me, Christina, don’t write this. Plenty of other people have just don’t and I’d be like, but, but they haven’t been as good as mine, but I would also be like, yeah, you’re right. This is not conducive use of my time. So yeah. [01:06:41] Brett: [01:06:41] All right. Well, in all honesty, in all earnestness, get some sleep, [01:06:47] Christina: [01:06:47] Thank you. Thank you, you as well. And, uh, to all of our listeners out there, um, whenever you’re listening to this, uh, keep, keep the faith, keep up the good fight, uh, et cetera, et cetera. [01:07:00] [01:07:00] Brett: [01:07:00] et cetera, et cetera, and good night.