
Ruminations
Exploring the complex, beautiful, and contextual work of regenerating landscapes – one conversation at a time.
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Apr 14, 2025 • 1h 21min
What Are We Getting Wrong In Soil Science? with Dr. Paige Stanley
In this episode of the Ruminations podcast, host Bobby Gill is joined by Dr. Paige Stanley from Colorado State University to dive deep into the science of soil health on grazing lands. They explore the latest research on carbon sequestration in arid and semi-arid rangelands, discuss the significance of different types of organic matter in carbon permanence, and introduce a new framework for understanding how grazing management affects soil carbon accumulation. The conversation also touches on the mental models of holistic managers and the potential of regenerative grazing to mitigate climate change. Tune in to learn more about Dr. Stanley's interdisciplinary approach and groundbreaking work in rangeland ecosystems.
Dr. Paige Stanley is an interdisciplinary scientist at Colorado State University, exploring how regenerative grazing can unlock soil’s carbon-storing potential and foster climate resilience.
In this episode of @SavoryInstitute’s Ruminations podcast, Dr. Stanley joins us to explore:
- How Regenerative Grazing Affects Soil Carbon in Arid Rangelands
- Adaptive Multi-Paddock Grazing vs. Holistic Management
- New Research That Challenges Carbon Saturation Myths
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TIME STAMPS:
00:55 Introducing Dr. Paige Stanley
03:55 Dr. Stanley's Research on AMP Grazing
08:01 Understanding Soil Carbon Dynamics
13:27 Challenges in Soil Carbon Research
21:42 Exploring Soil Texture and Carbon Sequestration
28:37 Adaptive Multi-Paddock Grazing vs. Holistic Management
32:44 Ruminating on Soil Carbon: A New Framework
39:23 Upcoming Savory Journey to Zimbabwe
39:55 Earth Day Giveaway Details
40:53 Understanding Grazing Categories
44:30 Mechanisms of Under and Overgrazing
50:37 Challenges in Soil Carbon Research
56:19 Feasibility of Soil Carbon Measurement for Ranchers
01:04:20 Technological Advances in Soil Science
01:10:51 Holistic Management and Adaptive Grazing
01:18:43 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Apr 14, 2025 • 2h 23min
Tracking Wildlife and the Origins of Holistic Management with Allan Savory
In the inaugural episode of the Ruminations podcast, host Bobby Gill sits down with Allan Savory, the renowned founder of Holistic Management and the Savory Institute. The conversation explores Allan’s adventurous beginnings as a young game ranger in southern Africa, his time in military leadership, politics, and ecological research—all unfolding during a transformative period in global history.
This episode highlights how a unique convergence of circumstances—colonial collapse, ecological degradation, and Allan’s cross-disciplinary career—created the conditions for the development of Holistic Management. Allan shares how insights from tracking, land stewardship, and systems thinking challenged conventional science and laid the foundation for a groundbreaking framework that has since changed the way we understand and manage complexity in agriculture.
We also get a preview of Allan’s forthcoming memoir, which captures the rich backstory behind one of the most influential ecological movements of our time.
In this premiere episode of @SavoryInstitute’s Ruminations podcast, Allan joins host Bobby Gill to reflect on:
- How a Young Game Ranger Became a Global Voice for Regeneration
- The Birth of Holistic Management Amidst Colonial Collapse, War & Wildlife
- Why Solving Desertification Requires More Than Just Science
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TIME STAMPS:
00:09 Allan Savory's Early Adventures
01:31 The Birth of Holistic Management
02:03 Allan's Memoir and Life Reflections
02:37 A Peek into Allan's Study
04:30 Diverse Career and Early Influences
09:25 Challenges and Insights in Wildlife Management
12:40 The Concept of Holistic Management
27:48 Contributions of Jan Smuts and André Voisin
47:03 Military Influence on Holistic Planning
51:53 Introduction to Holistic Management
53:43 The Importance of Livestock in Holistic Grazing
56:39 The Influence of John Acox
01:06:41 Early Career and Wildlife Passion
01:16:17 Tracking and Ecology Insights
01:23:52 Advanced Tracking Techniques
01:32:18 Connecting Ecology and Wildlife Management
01:33:30 The Hippo in the Swamp
01:41:28 The Monkwala Talisman
01:47:38 Rhodesian History and Ian Smith
01:53:18 Racial Tensions and Personal Growth
02:08:32 The Controversy of Elephant Culling
02:14:03 Holistic Management and Future Hopes
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MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Savory Institute
Allan Savory's memoir
Holistic Management Textbook
Voisin’s Rational Grazing
Diffusion of Innovations – Everett Rogers
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Apr 14, 2025 • 17min
Welcome to Ruminations, a Savory Institute Podcast
Join an engaging journey into the world of regenerative agriculture. The host shares his transformative path to the Savory Institute and their mission to revitalize global grasslands. Dive into inspiring stories from a diverse network committed to environmental change. Learn about holistic management practices and how individuals can contribute to restoring the planet. The podcast invites listeners from all walks of life to become part of this essential conversation about personal and planetary health.