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Dec 3, 2022 • 44min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (03 Dec 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Max King, columnist for MoneyWeek, and former fund manager at Investec Asset Management; and also previews a discussion with Ben Rogoff, manager of Polar Capital Technology (PCT) - available in full for subscribers to the Money Makers Circle.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Digital 9 Infrastructure Trust (DGI9), US Solar Fund (USF), Home REIT (HOME), Keystone Positive Change (KPC), Baillie Gifford UK Growth (BGUK), Baillie Gifford European (BGEU), JPMorgan Emerging Markets (JMG), Mobius Investment Trust (MMIT), Fidelity Emerging Markets (FEML), Chrysalis (CHRY), Schiehallion (MNTN), Literacy Capital (BOOK), Tritax Big Box (BBOX), TR Property (TRY), Odyssean Investment Trust (OIT), JPMorgan Global Core Real Assets (JARA), Life Science REIT (LABS).
Section Timestamps:
00:32 - The Investment Trusts Handbook 2023
01:16 - Q&A with Max King
01:22 - The last three months and where we're at now
04:39 - Thoughts on investment trusts in general
06:27 - Discounts and alternative assets
09:05 - Markets and politics
09:53 - Looking at specific trusts
17:15 - Equity investment trusts sector
20:09 - Vietnam, China, and emerging markets
23:12 - Private equity
25:08 - Commercial property
28:43 - What has Max been doing?
31:17 - A summary of the week's results
34:15 - Money Makers Circle
34:44 - Q&A with Ben Rogoff (extract)
43:52 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features a piece by Edward Chancellor about the cryptocurrency market, and a profile of Pantheon International (PIN). Subscribers can also listen to the full conversation with Ben Rogoff, manager of Polar Capital Technology. Ben spoke about many issues including whether the market environment remains favourable to technology stocks, and some of the larger stocks in the sector.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Nov 26, 2022 • 53min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (26 Nov 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by James Carthew of QuotedData; and also previews a discussion with Carlos Hardenberg, the lead manager of the Mobius Investment Trust (MMIT) - available in full for subscribers to the Money Makers Circle.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Home REIT (HOME), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), AT85 Global Mid-Market Infrastructure Income, JPMorgan Russian Securities (JRS/JEMA), Chrysalis Investments (CHRY), The Renewables Infrastructure Trust (TRIG), Long Term Assets, Convicton Life Sciences, NB Monthly Income (NBMI).
Section Timestamps:
00:45 - Review of the week
02:42 - Money Makers Circle
04:15 - James Carthew
06:15 - Fundraising
12:29 - Corporate news
31:35 - Windfall Profits Tax on renewable energy
39:19 - Q&A with Carlos Hardenberg
41:53 - Money Makers Circle
51:37 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features the full Q&A discussion with Carlos Hardenberg of the Mobius Investment Trust (MMIT), and a profile of the F&C Investment Trust (FCIT)
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Nov 19, 2022 • 47min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (19 Nov 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Emma Bird and Shayan Ratnasingam of Winterflood Securities; and also previews a discussion with Paul and Richard Pindar of Literacy Capital, available in full for subscribers to the Money Makers Circle.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: ThomasLloyd Energy Impact (TLEI), Conviction Life Sciences, Troy Income and Growth (TIGT), Montanaro European Smaller Companies (MTE), Abrdn Japan (AJIT), Biotech Growth (BIOG), Syncona (SYNC), Schroder Real Estate Income (SREI), Seraphim Space Invementment Trust (SSIT).
Section Timestamps:
01:10 - Reviewing the week
03:40 - Summary of the week's results
04:37 - Q&A with Emma Bird
04:49 - Reaction to the Autumn Statement
06:54 - Movements in the Investment Trusts sector
09:09 - Company expectations during a recession
11:38 - Distinguishing between sectors
13:22 - UK Equity Income sector
16:27 - Biotech and Healthcare sector
21:57 - Space sector
24:50 - Looking ahead
25:54 - Q&A with Shayan Ratnasingam
26:13 - Explaining the windfall tax
28:39 - When will the results of the windfall tax be reflected?
29:33 - Market reaction to the windfall tax
30:03 - The Market anticipation was about right?
31:01 - Share price reaction
34:00 - The importance of future prices and interest rates
36:15 - Paul and Richard Pindar (Literacy Capital)
44:59 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features a Q&A discussion with Paul and Richard Pindar of Literacy Capital (BOOK).
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Nov 12, 2022 • 55min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (12 Nov 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Harry Nimmo, manager of the Abrdn UK Smaller Companies Growth Trust.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Long Term Assets (LTA), ThomasLloyd Energy Impact (TLEP), Independent Investment Trust (IIT), Majedie Investments (MAJE), Biopharma Credit (BPCR), JPMorgan Russian Securities, AVI Global Trust (AGT), Abrdn Latin American Income Trust (ALAI), Scottish Mortgage Investment Trust (SMT), Capital Gearing Trust (CGT).
Section Timestamps:
00:52 - Review of the week
07:51 - Results, NAV updates, and fundraising
09:25 - Corporate news
15:41 - The week's results
20:06 - Money Makers Circle
22:16 - Podcast format
22:50 - Q & A with Harry Nimmo
23:26 - How Harry got into managing investment trusts
28:16 - Differences in managing an investment trust vs open ended fund
30:37 - Message to investors during downturns
31:58 - How does the 2022 sell-off compare to others?
40:24 - Will there be a shift in style? Dash for trash
45:36 - Upcoming UK budget and tax changes
47:13 - The Future for AIM
49:45 - Discount and buybacks etc.
51:45 - A good time to start a small-cap fund manager career?
53:52 - Plans for retirement
54:49 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features a profile of Pantheon Infrastructure (PINT), and Jonathan has also written a series of notes about the pick-up seen this week indicates the start of a significant turnaround for equity markets or not.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Nov 5, 2022 • 42min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (05 Nov 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Ewan Lovett-Turner, head of investment trust research at Numis Securities.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (CYN), International Biotech (IBT), Fidelity Special Values (FSV), BlackRock Smaller Companies (BRSC), Princess Private Equity (PEY), International Public Partnerships (INPP), TwentyFour Income (TFIF), Independent Investment Trust (IIT), Starwood European Real Estate Finance (SWEF), Balanced Commercial Property Trust (BCPT).
Section Timestamps:
00:36 - Review of the week and summary of results
04:55 - On the Money Makers Circle this week
05:29 - Q &A with Ewan Lovett-Turner
- 05:44 - The overall market environment
- 07:21 - Client sentiment
- 09:12 - Discounts in the investment trusts sector
- 12:37 - Understanding how different trusts are affected
- 14:02 - The fundraising "desert"
- 15:42 - Consolidation within the sector
- 22:06 - What's going on in the debt sector?
- 24:12 - Private equity
- 28:51 - Are buybacks effective for alternative assets?
- 35:52 - Commercial property
- 38:08 - Looking ahead
40:54 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
The latest profiles to feature on the Money Makers Circle are: Strategic Equity Captial (SEC), Third Point Investors (TPOU), and NB Private Equity (NBPE). These are all available along with the usual regular features.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Oct 29, 2022 • 1h 4min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (29 Oct 2022)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis attends the AIC's inaugural Investment Company Showcase event, held on Friday 28 October 2022. He is joined for brief chats, first by the CEO of The Association of Investment Companies, Richard Stone, followed by a number of the fund managers also in attendance.
Section Timestamps:
01:06 - Review of the week
03:30 - Corporate news and accouncements
09:13 - A summary of the week's results
12:29 - Money Makers Circle
12:44 - Fund manager chats
12:50 - Richard Stone, CEO of The AIC
15:08 - Nick Brind, manager of Polar Capital Global Financials Trust (PCFT)
20:05 - Kyle Caldwell, Interactive Investor
24:51 - Jason Baggaley, Abrdn Property Income (API)
31:40 - Bruce Stout, Murray International
37:11 - Paul Niven, F&C Investment Trust (FCIT)
43:17 - James Henderson, Janus Henderson
50:09 - Paulo Almeida, Tufton Oceanic Assets
56:12 - Job Curtis, City of London Investment Trust
1:02:35 - The Investment Trusts Handbook 2023
1:03:07 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Oct 22, 2022 • 35min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (22 Oct 2022)
In a special edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast which was recorded before the latest seismic political developments in 10 Downing Street, Jonathan Davis, the editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, talks to Sandy Nairn, the manager and executive director of the Global Opportunities Trust (GOT) and author of The End of the Everything Bubble.
Section Timestamps:
00:17 - Introducing Sandy Nairn
03:01 - Money Makers Circle
03:33 - Next week
04:00 - Discussion with Sandy Nairn
04:06 - The End of the Everything Bubble
07:38 - How bad can things get?
09:33 - The increase in debt
11:06 - The Federal Reserve
13:16 - Government bond yields
14:24 - The impact of politic pressures
16:56 - Why change the portfolio mandate?
21:40 - What would Templeton do?
25:30 - Self-managed trusts
26:59 - Understanding financial history
29:35 - The Crypto Bubble
31:41 - An optimistic outlook?
34:41 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our almost 130 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Oct 15, 2022 • 49min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (15 Oct 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week's edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Richard Curling, manager of both the Jupiter Alternative Monthly Income Fund, and the Jupiter Fund of Investment Trusts.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Fundsmith Emerging Equities (FEET), Sustainable Farmland Trust, Harmony Energy Income (HEIT), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Taylor Maritime (TMI), LXI REIT (LXI), Biopharma Credit (BPCR), Supermarket REIT (SUPR), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Gore Street Energy (GSF), Greencoat UK Wind (UKW).
Section Timestamps:
00:18 - Review of the week
02:48 - Money Makers Circle
02:58 - Introducing Richard Curling
03:42 - Summary of this week's news and results
08:12 - Discussion with Richard Curling
47:56 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 120 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Oct 8, 2022 • 59min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (08 Oct 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week’s edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by Duncan MacInnes, lead manager of the Ruffer Investment Company (RICA); and Peter Hewitt, manager of the CT Global Managed Portfolio (CMPG).
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Invesco Perpetual UK Smaller Companies (IPU), Strategic Equity Capital (SEC), Henderson EuroTrust (HNE), European Smaller Companies (ESCT), Ashoka India Equity (AIE), Baillie Gifford China Growth (BGCG), Vietnam Holding (VNH), Macau Property Opportunities (MPO), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Monks / Independent Investment Trust (IIT), NB Private Equity (NBPE), SDCL Energy Efficiency Income (SDCL), Scottish Mortgage Trust (SMT), Finsbury Growth and Income (FGT), Worldwide Healthcare Trust (WWH), BH Macro (BHMG), Fidelity Emerging Markets (FEML), Mobius Investment Trust (MMIT).
Section Timestamps:
01:06 - Review of the week
03:11 - Money Makers Circle
04:07 - Discussion with Duncan MacInnes
36:45 - Results this week
38:55 - Discussion with Peter Hewitt
57:32 – Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features the continuation of Jonathan's discussion with Peter Hewitt of the CT Global Managed Portfolio, and a profile of BBGI Global Infrastructure, the large infrastructure investment trust.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 120 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Oct 1, 2022 • 53min
Weekly Investment Trust Podcast with Jonathan Davis (01 Oct 2022)
Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, is joined in this week's edition of the Money Makers Weekly Investment Trust podcast by James Carthew, director of QuotedData; Colette Ord, Infrastructure and Renewable Energy analyst at Numis; and Justin Bell, Property Specialist at Numis.
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers) include: Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Cordiant Digital Infrastructure (CORD), HICL Infrastructure (HICL), Bluefield Solar Income (BSIF), Octopus Renewables Infrastructure (ORIT), Aquila European Renewables Income Fund (AERS), UK Commercial Property (UKCM), PRS REIT (PRSR).
Section Timestamps:
00:13 - Reaction to the mini-budget
01:58 - Review of the week
05:39 - Money Makers Circle
06:05 - Discussion with James Carthew
19:52 - Discussion with Colette Ord
35:40 - Discussion with Justin Bell
51:39 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
In addition to the regular features, this week the Circle features the continuation of Jonathan's discuss with James Carthew of QuotedData.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 120 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.