
The Another Europe Podcast
Hosts Zoe Williams (@zoesqwilliams) and Luke Cooper (@lukecooper100) are joined by guests with a left take on Brexit, Europe and more. Surveying the big transformative ideas of the age, interrogating the tough questions, and opening up new horizons radical thinking and policy, the Another Europe podcast confounds the expectation that 'pro-Europeans' just want to defend the status quo. Brought to you by the Another Europe Is Possible campaign, the podcast is a vital tonic for those despairing at the state of Brexit Britain.
Praise for the Another Europe podcast
"A bracingly honest post mortem on the remain movement, especially its relationship with Labour, by people who were a vital part of it. I found it insightful and weirdly cathartic"
----- Dorian Lynskey, writer and Remainiac
"Provocative... highly balanced and critical... a much-needed space for critical reflection and nuanced discussion"
----- E-International Relations
Latest episodes

May 7, 2021 • 40min
75: European super WHAT? Money and power in modern football
The European Super League was dead almost on arrival. An uprising of fans, the football authorities and governments swiftly killed the project. It seemed to encapsulate everything that had gone wrong in a beautiful game where greed has long been king. In this podcast, hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to David Kogan. The Premier League’s media rights advisor from 1998 to 2015, Kogan has been described as a ‘key architect of its financial success’. But away from big money football, David is also a figure in Labour politics. His 2019 book, Protest and Power: The Battle for the Labour Party, chronicles the history of the party’s factional conflicts over its soul and direction. We pick his brains on whether the big money revolution in football has gone too far.

Apr 28, 2021 • 43min
74: Do economies always have to grow? The question facing capitalism
In this podcast, hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to ecological economist, Tim Jackson, about his new book, Post-Growth; Life After Capitalism. Every society in the world shares a fundamental cultural assumption about how our economies work: that growth is good. But what if this is running up against both its material and ecological limits? As capitalism in Western states struggles with the problem of low or stagnant growth do we need to rethink how we understand the economy and prioritise redistribution and ecological and social justice, over the drive to squeeze more and more juice out of the same orange? Politicians often don't like talking about post-growth but many argue that its an idea whose time has come.
For more information on the ideas discussed on this podcast, check out these links:
Tim's book Post-Growth
Hannah Arendt's classic work, The Human Condition
The novel, Red Mars, by Kim Stanley Robinson and a paper by Luke on it here

Mar 28, 2021 • 45min
73: Fighting for life after Covid: how do our economies need to be redesigned?
By now it should be clear. Coronavirus is a ‘strategic’, not episodic, crisis for human development in this century. It poses sweeping social and economic change to our societies – as we try to come to terms and deal with mounting ecological crises. To get a handle on what these changes might be, hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to economist James Meadway on what ‘building back better’ should look like.
For more information on the issues discussed on today’s podcast, see James’ article on Open Democracy: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/covid-19-here-stay-now-we-must-redesign-our-economies-around-it/
Producer: Luke Cooper
Editor: Camilo Tirado

Feb 27, 2021 • 42min
72: Migrant rights under Covid: the quiet battle for human dignity
Britain's migrant workers are living through a huge moment of change. The country's immigration system has now fundamentally changed after the exit from the European Union and vast numbers of migrants have left Britain during the Coronavirus pandemic. Thousands of the most vulnerable EU nationals risk falling through the cracks and losing their right to remain as the settled status deadline looms. Meanwhile, despite a historic new level of immigration control, the Tory government appear desperate to find a new scapegoat with threats to clampdown on asylum seekers and activist lawyers. To take stock of these changes, and shed light on the quiet struggles underway for human dignity, hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper are joined by Zoe Gardner, from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants and Alena Ivanova, from the Another Europe office and Right to Stay campaign.

Feb 1, 2021 • 38min
71: One good thing could come out of Brexit: a bonfire of national illusions
As the four nations of the United Kingdom struggle to reconcile themselves to life outside the EU are we witnessing the gradual unravelling of the illusions and delusions that have dominated the traditional British political elite? Is this end of the "era of self-deception" the one positive aspect of Brexit? And, if the project itself is overwhelmingly English, what does this mean for the future of the union between the four nations? To answer these questions hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper are joined by historian David Edgerton, a professor at Kings College London and author of The Rise and Fall of the British Nation.
For more information on the ideas covered in the podcast see:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/01/brexit-bonfire-national-illusions-labour-alternative-future
https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/David-Edgerton/The-Rise-and-Fall-of-the-British-Nation--A-Twentieth-Century-History/14131279
Producer: Luke Cooper
Sound editor: Ben Higgins Milner

Jan 25, 2021 • 31min
70: 2021 – year of climate resistance?
The Coronavirus pandemic can be seen as a huge ecological warning: a sign that our footprint on planet Earth is becoming terribly unsustainable. And while that crisis continues to - rightly - dominate global headlines it is still rarely seen as the environmental crisis that it is. In the year that the UK will host COP26, the annual global climate conference in Glasgow, and following Joe Biden's victory in the United States, we ask whether campaigners can turn this to our advantage, and get the much more ambitious commitments we need? To answer this question and more hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper are joined by Green Party co-leader, Sian Berry, to appraise the current state of the global climate emergency and what we need to do next.

Dec 12, 2020 • 27min
69: The UK at the cliff edge. Are we heading for a no deal catastrophe?
Will he do it? If Boris Johnson leads the UK to a no deal crash out from the transition period he'll surely be remembered as the most irresponsible prime minister in British history. His flag waving jingoism risks an economic and social disaster. Is it all a bluff? Will he climb down at the 11th hour? To find some answers hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to Katy Hayward, professor of political sociology at Queens University Belfast and senior fellow with UK in a Changing Europe. In a wide ranging discussion they talk about the current state of play with the talks, how the promises of the 2016 referendum fit with the reality of 'no deal', the contradictions of the UK view of 'sovereignty' and the implications of Brexit for the politics and economics of Northern Ireland.

Nov 15, 2020 • 40min
68: Is the game finally up for Donald Trump?
After what seemed like a lifetime, the final results are in: America has said "no more" to Donald Trump. Collectively the world breathed a sigh of relief as the results came in. But many questions still remain unanswered. How much damage can Trump do between now and his exit day, the 20th January next year? Will his racism and unfounded attacks on the democratic process prompt 'white riots' in America's streets? Where will the American radical right and Trump dynasty go next? And what kind of impact can we expect Biden to have, either domestically or on world politics, especially without control of the Senate? Nick Dearden, Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper meet up to make sense of it all and ponder the future of global democracy in a century of crisis.

Oct 29, 2020 • 37min
67: Is an ethical foreign policy possible in an authoritarian world?
We talk about authoritarianism a lot on this podcast and how it's resisted from below by grassroots movements. But we haven't yet broached what the principles are in how democratic states should operate in an increasingly dictatorial world order. In this podcast we talk to Mary Kaldor, emeritus professor of global governance at the London School of Economics, on what an ethical foreign policy should look like. Drawing on her experience advising the late Labour foreign secretary, Robin Cook, in the 1990s, she outlines the principles of a progressive foreign policy today. A critical part of this is seeing supporting pro democratic civil society movements as part of foreign policy - not simply something that is beyond what democracies should do. She also offers an explanation of the roots of American authoritarianism that goes beyond the "Trump is evil" statement and explores the problematic structures of contemporary US power.

Oct 17, 2020 • 41min
66: This is Not Normal: the Collapse of Liberal Britain
This definitely isn't normal is it? The world feels increasingly like a strange absurdist theatre we have all found our collective selves in. A new book tells the story of the last four years and how we got here. Hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper are joined by Will Davies, professor of political economy and co-director of the Goldsmiths Political Economy Research Centre. His new book offers a timeline and chronology from the Brexit referendum to the 2019 general election and is full of fascinating insights into the changing politics, economics and culture of these new and dangerous times.
For more on the ideas discussed in the podcast check out:
This Is Not Normal by Will Davies
Neoliberalism is over – welcome to the era of neo-illiberalism by Reijer Hendrikse
The difficulty of 'neoliberalism' by Will Davies
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