
The Another Europe Podcast
Hosts Zoe Williams (@zoesqwilliams) and Luke Cooper (@lukecooper100) are joined by guests with a left take on Brexit, Europe and more. Surveying the big transformative ideas of the age, interrogating the tough questions, and opening up new horizons radical thinking and policy, the Another Europe podcast confounds the expectation that 'pro-Europeans' just want to defend the status quo. Brought to you by the Another Europe Is Possible campaign, the podcast is a vital tonic for those despairing at the state of Brexit Britain.
Praise for the Another Europe podcast
"A bracingly honest post mortem on the remain movement, especially its relationship with Labour, by people who were a vital part of it. I found it insightful and weirdly cathartic"
----- Dorian Lynskey, writer and Remainiac
"Provocative... highly balanced and critical... a much-needed space for critical reflection and nuanced discussion"
----- E-International Relations
Latest episodes

Feb 12, 2022 • 34min
85: Betwixt and between? Eastern Europeans in Britain
In the last twenty years Britons and Eastern Europeans have become closer and more intertwined than ever before. But it's often been a relationship of frustration, and, through the rise of anti-immigration and Eurosceptic politics, marked by xenophobia and racism. In this podcast hosts Luke Cooper and Zoe Williams talk to Yva Alexandrova and Alena Ivanova about Yva's new book, Here to Stay: Eastern Europeans in Britain (Repeater Books, 2021). They discuss the problems the left in the UK has had in engaging the issue of European migration and giving voice to these experiences, and reflect on the myriad of ways in which the peoples of these islands are now connected to Eastern Europeans.
Here to Stay is out now:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/677207/here-to-stay-by-yva-alexandrova/

Jan 22, 2022 • 38min
84: As the Boris Johnson regime faces its most serious crisis... how do we beat the Tories in 2022?
As his government lurches from scandal to scandal there is a new sense of hope that the Tories can be defeated. So what role can Another Europe play in building mass opposition and resistance? In this podcast, hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to Seema Syeda, a new staff member in the Another Europe office, about our plans for 2022 and how you can get involved. She warns that despite the government's travails there is no room for complacency. They still have a massive parliamentary majority and a deeply reactionary agenda. We discuss Another Europe's campaigning work on resisting the Nationality and Borders Bill, the worrying new government 'consultation' that threatens to unravel the protections of the Human Rights Act, and our pan-European initiatives on resisting Islamophobia and building international solidarity and opposition to the Russian threat of war against Ukraine.
For more information on some of the ideas mentioned in the podcast check out these links:
Event: Is the Human Rights Act at risk
Brexit Spotlight: for meaningful accountability in the Brexit era
Ex-staff member Michael's Chessum report of the Chile elections

Dec 13, 2021 • 34min
83: Spain’s left are leading Europe, so why are the far right on the rise?
Spain has one of the most successful vaccination programmes in the world. It's also set to launch the most ambitious national investment strategy in its post Franco history. But its trailblazing left wing coalition are, despite these tremendous achievements, not as popular as we might expect. Meanwhile, the far right Vox party has established itself in public opinion in third place. In this podcast, to make sense of these difficulties and challenges, hosts Luke Cooper and Zoe Williams, talk to Marga Ferra, one of the co-presidents of Transform! Europe, the education think tank connected to the European Left Party and a member of Izquierda Unida (United Left), the party that stands in elections with Podemos as part of a common platform – and together they are a junior partner in the Spanish government. Marga offers an un-tribal and frank assessment of the current situation, but with plenty of 'practical optimism' for the future of the European left.

Nov 12, 2021 • 42min
82: COP26 and the global climate crisis: how do we save the planet?
As COP26 comes to a close, we investigate the global environmental and economic challenge facing humanity. In this podcast, Luke Cooper talks to economist Laurie Macfarlane, a columnist at Open Democracy and a fellow at the Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose, to get a digest on COP26 and discuss the relationship between social justice, global development and the green transition. It's a wide-ranging chat, taking in how we conceptualise the idea of development in the 21st century, the seeming paradox that societies most at risk from climate change, such a Australia, have often been the most trenchantly committed to fossil fuels, and the emergence of a new paradigm of capitalist extractivism with the dash for raw materials required to harness renewable energy.

Oct 6, 2021 • 36min
81: Reflections on the German elections: Scholz's Spring and the centre-right collapse
It wasn't so long ago that Germany's declining social democratic party was seen as a a classic example of 'Pasokification' in Europe, a term referring to the steep decline of centre-left parties derived from the experience of the now deceased Greek party, Pasok. Polls at the start of the year put the party pretty clearly in third place. But the centre-left have now stormed to an - albeit narrow - general election victory. So, what happened? In this podcast, to make sense of it all, Luke Cooper talks to Jeremy Cliffe, the Berlin-based International Editor at the New Statesman on Germany's new political era.
For more from Jeremy check out his articles in the New Statesman and his podcast, The World Review:
https://www.newstatesman.com/podcasts/world-review-podcast
https://www.newstatesman.com/author/jeremy-cliffe

Sep 21, 2021 • 45min
80: Paul Mason on How to Stop Fascism
Fascism - the twentieth century's most barbaric ideology - is back and winning support on the streets and at the ballot boxes all over the world. What can we learn from the struggles against fascism in the past? How do we understand the source of the potency of the fascist appeal? In this podcast hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper talk to Paul Mason about his new book, How to Stop Fascism (Allen Lane, 2021). It's a harrowing outline of how fascism is on the march. But it also outline a strategy to defeat this deadly threat. We explore the contents of the book and ask Paul why he remains optimistic for humanity.
Links to material mentioned on this podcast:
How to Stop Fascism (Allen Lane, 2021)
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442/442868/how-to-stop-fascism/9780141996394.html
Authoritarian Contagion (Bristol University Press, 2021)
https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/authoritarian-contagion
Eric Hobsbawm's Age of Extremes (Little, Brown Book Group)
https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Eric-Hobsbawm/The-Age-Of-Extremes--1914-1991/859532
Karl Kautsky's critique of the Soviet Union
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1918/dictprole/index.htm
Novecento (film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074084/
Arditi del Popolo - The First Anti-Fascists
https://libcom.org/library/arditi-del-popolo-first-anti-fascists

Sep 6, 2021 • 1h 3min
79: 'I fled the Taliban, now I fear for my people'
The crisis in Afghanistan has dominated the airwaves this summer - and rightly so. In this episode, Luke Cooper talks to Shukria Rezaei, an Afghan living in London about her family's decade-long battle to flee the Taliban and resettle in Britain. It's a shocking story of oppression and the global border policing regime. Now she fears for those she left behind, as the Taliban seize power - with members of the Hazara community particularly fearful of a new round of sectarian bloodletting. In part two, Luke speaks to LSE professor and regular on the show, Mary Kaldor. They discuss whether, despite all the talk from the US administration about 'ending the forever wars', any lessons have actually been learnt, as development aid runs dry and the US military continue to drop bombs on Afghan targets, without regard to international law and perpetuating the cycle of violence.
Readings referred to in this episode of the podcast:
Personal story: I am Hazara – and I fear for my persecuted people
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/08/personal-story-i-am-hazara-and-i-fear-my-persecuted-people
Only action against corruption can solve the world’s biggest problems
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/19/action-against-corruption-russian-sanctions-oligarchs-alexei-navalny
The main lesson from Afghanistan is that the ‘war on terror’ does not work
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/24/lesson-afghanistan-war-on-terror-not-work
Producer: Luke Cooper
Editor: Jake Pace Lawrie

Aug 6, 2021 • 41min
78: England, Englishness and anti-racism after the Euros
Can Englishness be anti-racist? After a remarkable football tournament, where the England football players made such a strong anti-racist statement we draw out some of the political implications for anti-racism and the constitutional future of the United Kingdom after Brexit. To get a handle on these issues Luke Cooper talks to two impeccably qualified guests. Shaista Aziz is an avid and lifelong England fan, anti-racist activist, and member of the FA's Asylum Seeker and Refugees Network, and John Denham, the former Labour MP who is now a professor at Southampton University and Director of the Centre for English Identity and Politics.
For more on the ideas discussed in today's podcasts, see:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer
https://labourlist.org/2021/07/when-uk-labour-talks-only-of-britain-we-cannot-speak-for-england/
And Shaista's 1m strong petition:
https://www.change.org/p/football-association-and-oliver-dowden-sec-of-state-dcms-pm-boris-johnson-ban-racists-for-life-from-all-football-matches-in-england?use_react=false&v2=false
Editor: Camilo Tirado
Producer: Luke Cooper

Jul 6, 2021 • 52min
77: Hope despite retreat? Reflections on five years since the Brexit referendum
Does June 2016 seem like only yesterday? Or does it seem like an eternity? Fives years on from the referendum hosts Luke Cooper and Zoe Williams meet up with Laura Parker from the Another Europe National Committee to reflect on a period of dramatic change in UK politics. They uncover some small shoots of hope, despite all the problems we face, and lay out a strategy for the movement going forward from here. We also hear from some other members of the Another Europe National Committee with Zoe Gardner, Alex Fernandes, Julie Ward, and Shaista Aziz, offering their thoughts on five years of pain but also tremendous resistance.
Producer: Luke Cooper
Sound editor: Camilo Tirado

Jun 14, 2021 • 38min
76: Where is Germany going? The future of Europe's sleeping giant after the Merkel era
The fight is on to replace Germany's centrist chancellor, Angela Merkel, who is stepping down after dominating the country's political scene for a decade and a half. With new elections scheduled for September will Germany embrace change, or choose the centrist status quo? To get a handle on Germany's next political chapter, hosts Luke Cooper and Zoe Williams are joined by Franziska Heinisch, an activist with the Justice is Global Europe collective and author of the book, Wir haben keine Wahl / We Have No Choice, a manifesto against giving up, and Christos Katsioulis, a foreign policy analyst and director of the London office of Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, the political education foundation loosely aligned with the German social democracy. We pick their brains on where Germany is going after the Merkel era, what the big controversies are in the run to the September elections, and how hopeful they are on the prospects for progressive social change.
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