

The Dividend Cafe
The Bahnsen Group
The Dividend Cafe is your portal for market perspective that is virtually conflict-free, rooted in deep philosophical commitments about how capital should be managed, and understandable for all sorts of investors. Host David L. Bahnsen is a frequent guest on CNBC, Bloomberg, and Fox Business. He is the author of the books, Crisis of Responsibility: Our Cultural Addiction to Blame and How You Can Cure It (Post Hill Press), The Case for Dividend Growth: Investing in a Post-Crisis World (Post Hill Press), and Full-Time: Work and the Meaning of Life (Post Hill Press).
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Aug 24, 2023 • 7min
The DC Today - Thursday, August 24, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/44urVw5
Nasdaq futures were up over 1% this morning with technology exuberance following NVidia’s big earnings beat last night (the stock itself was up 10% pre market). So why did the stock end up closing just flat? Valuations do matter. We talk about it often but excitement over AI or other shiny object parts of the market get priced in with lofty expectations almost always well ahead of any reasonable realities (aka buy the rumor sell the news).
Down day in markets overall in a wide trading range on they day. The Dow was up over 220 points and closed down -373 points. The Nasdaq was up over 1% this morning and closed down -1.87%, and yields were higher across the curve. The Fed economic policy forum started today in Jackson Hole WY, with comments out tomorrow. We had jobless claims come in better than expected, and headline durable goods orders miss, and our August doldrums in markets continued so a few things to walk through in todays video podcast link below.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 23, 2023 • 8min
The DC Today - Wednesday, August 23, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/44nfT7G
Markets caught a little relief today, and the biggest AI chipmaker seems to have hit it out of the park after hours (we’ll see what holds tomorrow). Bonds rallied substantially, and so as bond yields fell, equities rose …
There has been chatter about rising credit card delinquencies. Let’s be clear – rising from 2% to 2.6% is an increase, but this is an increase to the average of the last ten years, which is exactly 2.6% since 2011. And for the twenty years prior to that, the average delinquency rate for credit cards was 4.4%. There is nothing, yet, that is concerning or prophetic in the credit card delinquency data. Not yet.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 22, 2023 • 6min
The DC Today - Tuesday, August 22, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/45fwZGb
This was the fifth day out of six that the Dow was down.
China is defending its weakening Yuan currency by making it more expensive to bet against it (raising the funding costs makes it more expensive to short). They face a pickle of wanting looser monetary policy to support their weaker economy but wanting a stronger Yuan as their currency has depreciated in recent months.
The UPS workers finalized their $30 billion pay raise.
How distorted are things in the market right now? The Nasdaq was UP +1.6% yesterday, yet 67% of the stocks in the index were negative.
The 2/10 curve is now only 69 basis points inverted (it had been well over 100bps at the peak).
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 21, 2023 • 16min
The DC Today - Monday, August 21, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/44nVfEQ
A Monday DC Today, the way it is supposed to be today.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 18, 2023 • 26min
Chinafication: It's a Global Phenomena
The podcast explores China's economy and the shift from inflation to deflation, comparing it to Japan's history. It analyzes China's property debt overhang, deflation causes and consequences, and potential solutions. The podcast also discusses the global implications of China's economic growth slowdown and the risks of over-indebted societies.

Aug 17, 2023 • 8min
The DC Today - Thursday, August 17, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/3E5y8nq
10-year yields rose to 4.29% today on the way towards the October highs of last year at 4.34%, and the yield curve steepened with 2/10’s now at 65 bps. Today we saw jobless claims come in slightly better than expected and an upside surprise in the Philadelphia Manufacturing Survey data, both supporting higher growth expectations which is what moved rates on the long end for the day. Even though stocks and bonds sold off today, I am sticking with good economic news and still being good myself.
For all the back and forth on where rates will go, what the Fed will do, and will those things need to get restrictive enough to break something in the economy, so far, it has yet to materialize meaningfully. Keep in mind also that 10 YR rates floating around the mid 4’s, are hardly anything new. The 1960s, 1990s and 2000s all averaged as much, with plenty of positive real growth in GDP. The difference now is we have a vastly expanded global indebtedness paradigm, so the sustainability of how long growth can last along with higher rates comes more into question, and I suspect both will come in as time goes on.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 16, 2023 • 10min
The DC Today - Wednesday, August 16, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/3EicX1X
Following yesterday’s dismal economic data out in China and the largest rate cut there in 3 years (mind you, we are only talking about 15 bps), there was some add-on stress revealed in the real estate and financial markets today. One of China’s larger wealth management and shadow banking firms, with over $138B in assets, missed some repayments on some of its investments and is under review.
It is too early to tell if more financial contagion will occur definitively, and of course, you have a government there that can act if needed, but having managed client capital through the GFC in the US myself, a declining real estate market followed by several cracks like this in the financial system are eerily familiar warning signs and worth following. I do suspect the likely path is continued easing in monetary policy and, eventually, some form of stimulus to revive the Chinese economy, but since I know David will have more insight in this Friday’s Dividend Cafe on the subject, I will leave it there for now.
Interestingly in Asia, however, is Japan’s economic resurgence. Japan’s GDP last quarter was up a shocking 6% q/q on exports (recall how weak the Yen has been), which was the best organic reading since 2015. Going around the horn to the US, we had Fed minutes released from July’s meeting, leaving further potential rate increases on the table and some better-than-expected housing and industrial production numbers out. So what do you get with such a divergent economic paradigm amongst the first, second, and third largest economies of the world?
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 15, 2023 • 11min
The DC Today - Tuesday, August 15, 2023
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/44d1yL0
One of the things I used to get most frustrated by in the 2000-2007 period of artificially low interest rates, or 2010-2016, or 2020-2022, is how people assumed a central bank reducing rates was a good thing, when the only reason the Fed was doing it was because they believed things were bad. In other words, yes, a rate cut or low rates may (in many cases but not all) boost asset prices, but if the rate cut is coming because of fears of economic weakness (or actual economic weakness) there is ample reason to believe the celebration should be delayed. Now, I believe the Fed has rates way too tight right now and I further believe it is for all the wrong reasons. Yet if the Fed were cutting, not because they realize they over-did it, but rather because we were seeing screaming, severe recessionary conditions, does anyone believe that would be a positive thing?
The People’s Bank of China unexpectedly cut rates last night because things there are terrible. The Shanghai Composite Index was down -0.49% and the CSI 300 was down -0.31%. U.S. futures dropped -250 points and as I type the market is down -300 points (the final closing numbers are below). The reason risk assets responded negatively to what people intuitively (and naively) think is a good thing (i.e. unexpected rate cuts)? Because the rate cuts are due to things being, ummmm, bad. China’s situation now is case in point. This was the PBOC’s second rate cut this summer. Consumer spending, industrial production, and business investment were all less than expected. And everything happening there is teeing up this Friday’s Dividend Cafe on what I see as pending Chinafication – not the economic softening itself, but the response to the softening and what that creates.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 14, 2023 • 16min
The DC Today - Monday, August 14, 2023
Today's Post -
Economic Front
Producer Prices were up +0.8% year-over-year in July (yes, less than 1%). Prices for intermediate processed goods are down -7.8% versus a year ago.
The University of Michigan Consumer Confidence Index came in at 71.2 on the month, down a whisker from last month’s 71.6 but up a good deal from the June print of 64.4
I did get a fair amount of inquiry about the news that total U.S. Credit card debt had exceeded $1 trillion last week. That the total number goes up and down year by year is actually the new news, since from 1958 to 1990 it only went up every single year without exception. But people do not realize – throughout the pandemic $150 billion was paid off the balances of U.S. credit card holders (I am sure some of this was use of stimulus money, and some was re-financing mortgage debt at historically low rates). Income and assets have grown more than credit card debt for those who hold the bulk of U.S. credit card debt. And most importantly, debt service payments as a percentage of household income sits below 10% right now. it had been over 13% prior to the financial crisis.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com

Aug 11, 2023 • 35min
What is it all about anyways?
Today's Post - https://bahnsen.co/3DPZwWA
Four weeks ago, I devoted a Dividend Cafe to the subject of a “dividend growth mentality.” It was intended to, amongst other things, reiterate much of the underlying value proposition for investors in buying companies that return capital to shareholders via dividends and who increase those dividend payments year-over-year. The people who read Dividend Cafe are mostly investors, and all clients of our firm are investors. My interest in dividend growth is investor-centric – that is, how dividend growth accrues to the benefit of our clients.
And yet, as became clear to me from a couple of letter-writers in the aftermath of that Dividend Cafe, there is a sense which it begs the question to ask why it is good for investors to receive dividends. Don’t we first need to understand why companies, themselves, pay dividends? Would the benefit to us as investors matter if there were no benefits to the companies? Or is this whole thinking sort of confused?
Well, one thing I can promise you – you won’t be confused on any of this after you jump into this week’s Dividend Cafe, where we will seek to unpack this whole subject of companies paying dividends – why they do it, should they do it, and what does it all mean (economically and even philosophically).
Let’s be honest, and this is about as fun as it gets. So join me in the Dividend Cafe.
Links mentioned in this episode:
TheDCToday.com
DividendCafe.com
TheBahnsenGroup.com


