

Commercial Photographer: Your Guide to Marketing, Creativity and Growth
Sam Hollis and Marcus Ahmad
Commercial Photographer: Your Guide to Marketing, Creativity and Growth is the essential podcast if you're a professional headshot photographer or brand photographer. Ready to achieve sustainable business growth? Each week, we share practical advice and actionable strategies to help you master your marketing, ignite your creativity, and build a profitable commercial photography business. Learn how to attract ideal clients, stand out in the marketplace, and build the business you've always wanted. Stop guessing and start growing with business help and guidance from industry experts.
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Jun 6, 2024 • 18min
Who is my ideal client?
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Sam talks about who is your ideal client or customer. First Sam explains why you want to an ideal customers. If you think “anyone” is your client, your messages is bland and doesn’t land with people and so “nobody” listens. While
if you have a specific audience in mind when you are writing your content it is much more engaging and interesting for that audience. So the first thing to do is decide who your ideal client should be. A good place to start is to think about your current clients. Are some of those ideal clients? What makes them ideal? Then try and find out more about them, things
like age, gender hobbies, etc. For Sam the two things that makes them ideal clients is that they are profitable and enjoyable to work with. Marcus also points out that the target market needs to be large enough. Marcus says at networking events he always said I work with coaches and motivational speakers. And they are the people he now works with and the people that gets referred to him. Sam
points out that there are 120,000 photographers in the UK on Linkedin and many more photographers, so there are lots of them that you need to stand out from and having content targeted to your ideal client helps with that.
There are other things to think about with ideal clients like how easy are thy to reach an connect with. They also need to be definable. They are also a group which you can provide value to. Marcus brings up the idea of having a tribe and Sam points out that’s a big thing in Seth Godin’s books. Marcus says that for him and many businesses their ideal clients are people just like them.
Once you have decided who your target audience is you need to clearly define them with things like age, gender, hobbies, work, family. People then make avatars. So invent people that could be in your target audience. Give them a
personality. Then when writing content aim it at one of your avatars. You also need to think where are you going to find this target audience, which social channels or print media.
Marcus says it’s clear that doing this exercise really helps
you to get work.

May 30, 2024 • 28min
Talking to Brand Photographer Emma Bunn
Emma runs Natural Aspect. She creates images for her clients so they can market their brand with ease and confidence. And Sam said that is reflected in her social media where she is promoting herself with confidence.
The name of the business has changed many times over the years. During her last rebrand she was in the mountains in Wales. She as looking for a name that reflected her style, capturing the natural look and the logo reflected the mountains.
Sam asked about TikTok and Emma said she was dragged onto it by a marketing coach. Emma says her ideal clients re not really there, but their kids might be. So TikTok is not a strong focus, but something she uses. LinkedIn is her main social media. Emma has been a photographer for seventeen or eighteen years. She has changed the focus of her business many times during this period. This is partly because she is a military family so has to move around a lot.
Currently Emma works with businesses as this works with her and her family life.
Sam and Emma discussed the point that moving a photography business is hard. For Emma she was in Lincolnshire before the pandemic and is back now, so that
has helped. Emma says niching has really worked for her and helped her with her marketing and messaging. She doesn’t work with any particular businesses.
Marcus asks what differentiates a brand photographer from any other sort of photographer. Emma says branding photography brings together skills from a wide range of photography genres. She spends a lot of time researching her clients, getting to know them. This way by the time it gets to the day of the shoot it’s all carefully planned. The customer knows what they need to do on the day, as does Emma. Emma really enjoys this side of her business. For example she worked with an accountant taking pictures of them tap dancing, which was their hobby.
Emma also does charity work with Remember My baby. They offer free remembrance photography for families that have had a loss before, during or after birth. It’s a tough subject and one that not many people talk about. She currently supports Lincolnshire hospitals with that. She goes into hospitals and take pictures of families. Every shoot is different, the mood, how much they want to talk, what they want and more.
Marcus asks about other charities and Emma in that case
worked with families with children with life limiting conditions. That the Butterfly Wishes Network. Again Emma gave her time freely here and found the work very rewarding.
Marcus like to play devils advocate and asks what Emma thinks about working for charities for free. Emma says if she was going to provide marketing material for a charity she would charge. She sees that as different from being part of a
charity which you are helping and feel emotionally attached to. This becomes a wider discussion between Sam and Marcus about getting paid for charity work.
Sam asks Emma what she would say to explain the cost of
services. She said this could include added value to the package, it’s about promoting yourself and so having the reputation. It’s about being able to listen and also having the right kit for the job.
The discussion went onto the area of balancing listening and
directing on a shoot. There is a podcast about listening, that is relevant here. Having a level of confidence is important here, to be able to do the direction well.
Emma has just returned from a family trip to China where her brother and family live. She had an amazing trip and recommends visiting.

May 23, 2024 • 17min
Using Repetition in your Photography Practice
Marcus talks about repetition in this show. Repetition was a
core part of the five Rs show which you can listen to here.
Marcus has recently been to a Martin Parr talk. What Marcus found is that Martin has done huge amounts of fashion photography, which he wasn’t very aware of. Marcus explains that this is partly because he does what Marcus talked about in another recent episode alternative genres.
To recap the previous episode the 5 rules of creativity in photography are
Research
Rules
Repetition
Reflection
Rest
Marcus in this show focusses on repetition. Repetition splits down into three areas
Learning
Improving
Diversifying
Learning
If you are learning photography, it is best to photograph things that you can go back to again and again. So something at the bottom of the garden rather that what you see on holiday. This also means you are focussing on the mundane, so you have to try to make it interesting. Marcus says take a picture, look at it reflect on it, then take it again. Keeping repeating, reflecting and learning. Marcus says this idea works just as well for more experienced photographers. Marcus thinks this is a great way to get to know your kit and getting to know shutter speeds, apertures and more.
ImprovingIf you are an improving photographer you want to go an photograph things multiple times. Thinking about varied weather, varied times of day, varied lighting conditions. Marcus says when you repeat things you are growing the
connections in your brain. But it’s important that critical reflection is combined with repetition.
Diversifying
There is a style of photography where photographers photograph something again and again in a very similar way, this is called Typology. Bernt and Hilla Becher, Thomas Struth, Lewis Baltz are all photographers who have used this. They tend to photograph a series of
photos of something similar. Edward Munch’s the Scream is a block print that works in a similar way. As a photography example the Bechers were photographing gas tanks over time. Years apart but from the same position and with the same weather so they are very similar shots.

May 16, 2024 • 23min
Meet Robin Thompson, IT expert
Robin Thompson says he is an IT stress reliever working with
small and medium-sized businesses helping ensure that their IT is not causing them stress. Sam and Robin have known each other for a long time having started their business at a similar time and having run a networking event together.
Robin’s journey into IT has been an interesting one. As a
child of the 80s he has been using computers since he was a child. Robin spent ten years in financial services and then moved to working in higher education. He did do some first line IT support as part of his role. But also did things like exam timetables for the University of Hull. At one stage Robin was offered the opportunity to take voluntary redundancy from the University, At the same time Helen his wife and co-director was between jobs and so they decided to take the redundancy and setup the business.
Sam asks what photographers need to think about in terms of their IT. Robin says for those in creative industries you will need high spec equipment and lots of processing power. Backing up your data is an important thing to think about. But due to the file sizes that photographers deal with
are very large so that cloud storage can start to get very expensive. Robin suggests one way of doing this is having project files on cloud storage, but use external hard drives to backup the raw photo files. Backblaze is service that some photographers use as the storage is a lot cheaper than Google or Microsoft cloud storage.
In terms of security Robin says the built in security has got a lot better over the years on Windows computers. He also reminds us that Macs, contrary to popular opinion, can get viruses. They can also pass viruses onto Windows computer and it is not good for your business if you accidentally pass viruses onto customers, so ensure macs have 3rd party anti-virus software on them.
Robin says domains and emails are also important. Some small businesses use Gmail or Hotmail addresses for their business and this does not look very professional. Then have a professional email system around that, that will scan incoming and outgoing emails. Spoofing is a challenge at the moment (spoofing is someone pretending to be someone else). Good email scanning will deal with this. On top of this email marketing needs a domain based email address.
Because we do have problems like spoofing there are now systems in place to prevent this. But this does also mean it can be harder to deliver genuine email. When properly setup this isn’t a problem, but setting up email accounts correctly is correct.
Robin explains that backups are much more than photos.
Emails, invoices, contact information and more, all needs backing up. If these aren’t backed up it could cost you your business.
Robin has used photography in his business and he says you can tell when photography has been done professionally. Robin had the opportunity to be in a magazine with a focus on his wife in the business. They got professional photography for that and thought the results were excellent. Although you can take photos with a phone, it is not the same.
Sam asked Robin to share his experience of using
professional photographers. Robin thinks that initial conversation, before the photo shoot is very important. It’s a careful balance of the photographer providing expertise and
suggestions with listening. Also many people are very uncomfortable in front of the camera and so making people at their ease in front of the lens is important. He likes the idea of a retainer for photographers but doesn’t work
on that basis with his photographer.

May 9, 2024 • 28min
Guest Interview with Zoe Hiljemark
Zoe Hiljemark is a PR and marketing consultant who works
just with photographers. She has spent twenty years in PR, ten of those working with photographers. She leverages PR
content and SEO to promote photographers.Back when Zoe became a mother she wanted baby photographs. So she got a photoshoot with Karen Wiltshire. Zoe got on well with Karen and the ideas went from there. Zoe realised Karen’s work was amazing but could reach many more people. So Zoe started working with Karen and then moved on to working with other photographers. The business grew from there and Zoe ended up just working
with photographers. Zoe now works with all sorts of different photographers which she enjoys. She has a niche now and recommends niches for other businesses.
Sam asks if Zoe is getting photographers photographs in the
press, or them and their services in the press. Zoe says it’s largely about getting them and their business into the press. Marcus wonders if particular magazines are good for particular niches. Zoe says that it depends on the client and their niche. But it’s largely not about photography magazines, but magazines read by their ideal client. Sharing photos to be used in the press is also a great way to get your images seen.
Sam and Zoe discuss how important it is to know your target audience. Without this it is hard to know where to put your PR efforts. It takes a lot of time and effort to get into the press, so ensure when you get this you use it. Keep sharing it on social media, feature it on your website and keep talking about it.
Marcus asks if this is about making the photographer the
star. Some photographers are not very keen on this and like to hide behind the camera. But PR is about being visible. Zoe thinks that PR is under-used by photographers, but to use it you have to share something about yourself.
Zoe talks about how photographers could improve their websites sharing information about a photoshoot and the story behind it, not just share the images. All of the work the photographer has put into this photoshoot needs to be shared.
Marcus asks about the challenges working with photographers on PR. Zoe says first of all they need to be in the right mindset. Also they can respond quickly to opportunities. The press may need images or a story very
quickly so if a photographer is not keeping an eye on messages then they might miss the opportunity. Having a press pack ready is really useful. That means a pre-written bio and some headshots and other images. It’s essential that photographers have good headshots and lifestyle images of themselves. These can be done reciprocally with other photographers.
Zoe says PR is not spin, just being seen in the right light.
Sam brings back the topic of niches and the worry people have when niching as people feel that they are cutting off a major group of clients. But if you don’t niche you can easily confuse clients with your messaging. When you have a
niche, marketing becomes easier as you know who you are speaking to. This makes it easier to create content and posts that engage with your audience.

May 2, 2024 • 18min
SEO series part III Internal SEO
SEO part III on site SEO
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This follows SEO part one, which as about planning and SEO
part two, which was about work external to your website. That leaves this show, SEO III on site SEO. The first thing to do is ensure you have competed part one and part two. So if you have not listened to those shows and planned your keywords then do that now.
Once you have done the planning and looked at your external SEO the next most important thing is creating content. Good engaging content. But initially Sam goes through some other areas of SEO.
You need to make sure your site is fast, otherwise Google will suppress your search results. Use a speed test website to check this
Ensure your site works and doesn’t contain
broken links.
Make sure you have meta-descriptions in place. These are simply descriptions of the page that Google uses.
Have alt-tags for your images. These help
visually impaired people and it helps Google understand your images.
Have a site map. You need to submit this to
Google Search Console.
Organisation of pages and menus. These need to
be organised into a clear structure. For example have different services as sub-pages to the main service page.
Marcus asked about websites using only images and not text. Sam said for SEO this is a really bad idea, These sites will not do well in the Google search.
Content
Use one key word or page on one page. That work better than having a single page trying to focus on several key words. When you focus on one word / phrase you can ensure that you include it in the text, in the title, in the meta-description and in the alt texts. But they need to be used
sparingly. Google doesn’t like the keyword / phrase used too much within the text. Think about internal links, so can this content link to other content within your site. External links are important too. ToolsIf you have a WordPress site Yoast is a free tool that helps you with your SEO. It checks keyword density, content structure and assesses the complexity
of content. You can also check your writing on the Hemmingway app.
This helps keep your writing simple.
StructuringStructuring your content really helps Google and people navigate your content easily. You can use paragraphs, bullet points, headers and more. Headers are number for importance from 1 to 6. Only use one H1 header per page.
Refocus your existing pages and blogsContent doesn’t just need to be new. If you now have keywords you want to be found for you could adjust content you already have to help it focus on these keywords.
DataMake sure you keep an eye on the data. Google Search Console and Google Analytics will help with this. Use this to see if your SEO work is increasing traffic to your website.

Apr 25, 2024 • 28min
Guest Interview with Denise Brady - Food Photographer
Denise Brady has been a food photographer for two and a half years. She is based on the East coast of the UK in Suffolk. Before this she was doing weddings and family photography, but Covid meant Denise had to pivot her
business and moved to food photography. Denise’s photography journey began on her wedding day. When she got the images back from her wedding day she didn’t like them, and said she could have done better herself, which her husband laughed at. Denise had done photography in her youth but stopped. The next Christmas her husband bought her a Nikon digital camera. Later that year she was asked to photograph a wedding for a friend of her daughter. Denise tried to turn it down but her husband said no, this is your chance to show you can do better. So, Denise shot the wedding for free. The couple were pleased with the
photos and paid Denise for them. It then built from there until Covid.
Marcus says in fashion the photographers are often not that
interested in fashion. So he wondered if she liked food. Denise loves food and was as up with great home cooked food as a child. Marcus asks if Denise has read the book Toast by Nigel Slater. Denise says her cook book shelf is
about a meter and a half long. She says if a food photo doesn’t make your mouth water and invoke a memory then it’s not doing it’s job.
Denise loves to use natural light. She can use lighting but
uses natural light for all her photos. She will use bounce boards to get light into a shot and blackboards to take light out of a shot. She will use foils and scrims to block out and filter bright direct light on sunny days. On a flat light day her works becomes easier. The hardest days to work on are ones with sunshine and showers so the sun is constantly coming in and out. Denise likes to get the white balance right in shot rather than afterwards. There is a show all about lighting, the ten principles of flash photography.
Denise’s preference is to take dark and moody shots. Some
clients need light and airy shots and she is. Sam asks how she found it finding clients with the move to food. This was very challenging at the start as Covid hit the entertainment industry so hard. Denise has found that she has to be flexible in her approach and work within a clients budget, which can be limited.
Denise’s son in law is a chef. He has been very helpful to her and means she has someone to go to, to ask questions when she doesn’t understand things within the industry. Denise says plating is important and changing all the time. Denise has a particular style. She tried other things like the floating
burgers and stop motion, but she prefers to work in her style. Marcus refers back to the recent Joe Giacomet show
as he has been making the gif style stop motion food animations.
Marcus asks about working with food stylists. Denise often does the styling herself but she has worked with food stylists. Sam asks what food stylists do. The summary is that they move the peas around the plate and arrange the knife
and fork tastefully and things like that. Denise also takes props with her for shoots. They also discuss planning and hot food. When hot food comes out it needs to be photographed very quickly. That means there needs to be lots of planning in place so that when the food comes out the photos are able to be done very quickly.
Denise’s influences include:
Jonie – The Bite Shot
Sarah - Broma bakery
Her influences also comes from going to restaurants and looking at their photography. Her ambitions include working on a cook book and getting into a major food magazine. She has been published with other shots, but not food. Her ideal chef to make a cook book with would be Gordon Ramsey or a local chef Galston at Morston Hall.

Apr 18, 2024 • 18min
Alternative Genres
Every episode has an extra bonus tip that we give only to newsletter subscribers. For the show about fashion Marcus’s tip as if you want to shoot fashion, don’t shoot fashion. And now Marcus has a whole show on this principal.
When Marcus was working in fashion lecturing, students would come up with great fashion work. But he would say remember editors commissioning this work see pictures
all the time. So if you want to get noticed, do something different. Sam says this reminds him of the interview with Joe Giacomet. He spent ages making football cards as a personal project and it was almost these that made his
name.
Marcus thinks that if you shoot fashion then getting out and doing street photography. This is so different to fashion. You have to be much quicker and be in a much less controlled environment. It will really improve your craft. It then means you have some photos to show to the fashion editors as well as your fashion work. This can help to get you noticed. Marcus spent a lot of time taking street photography which he really loved.
Richard Avedon was one of the first photographers to get the models out of thestudio and out into the streets of New York, which at the time was quite radical.
Marcus suggests that portrait photographers should think of trying still life as an alternative genre. Still life photography is all about the lighting, composition and attention to detail. The skills learnt here can then be applied to your portrait photography.
If you are product photographer perhaps try landscape photography. When you are in the studio with a product you can control everything, while you have no control over the environment, which makes it very different. Marcus and Sam discuss that wedding photography has changed greatly over the last ten years with it becoming much more documentary style. Marcus suggests that wedding photographers should go and try fashion photography. Fashion photography is all about style and making the models looking great, which are perfect skills for wedding photographers.
Marcus’s other suggestions are:
Street photographers try portrait photography.
Landscape photographers could try art photography, the sort of thing in galleries and museums. Marcus suggests looking at Jem Southern, Beckers (Bernd and Hilda) John
Davies, Edward Patinksky. These are people taking images with a political message.
Family photographers could try painting. Looking at them for ideas, styles and light.

Apr 11, 2024 • 30min
Guest Interview with Sonya Dove
This week Marcus and Sam speak to Sonya Dove who is Wella’s Global Creative Director and Marcus’s big sister. Sonya has been with Wella for 40 years and hairdressing for 45 years. On a day to day basis Sonya travels around the US and Canada educating and mentoring hairdressers. She also does classes and photoshoots. Hairdressing has given her the opportunity to travel the world. She still travels at least two to three times per month.
Sonya says photoshoots can be for hairdressers, or for consumers. She used to work in a salon, but now with all her other work she does not have time for that. Sonya has had her work on the front of almost every hairdressing magazine. Sonya says it’s hard to find the right photographer for a hair photoshoot. Most photographers don’t focus on the hair in the right way. Lighting the hair right is really important. With darker hair colours this becomes harder. Getting the texture, colours and dimensions, especially with dark hair is very challenging. All other parts of the model and shot are extra. The hair is key. Sonya says she has done photoshoots where the detail of the hair is lost. However she realised that this was as much on her as the photographer as she hadn’t explained what she wants. As a solution to this she suggests mood boards are a great way to discuss this type of thing before the shoot.
Marcus says there is lots of work out there for hair and beauty photographers. If you think about all of the hair dressers and salons out there who need work, as well as manufacturers, the number of potential customers is huge. At the moment Sonya works with Richard Monsieurs. She has also worked with Marcus many times, Robert Lobetta and many more. Sonya says the personality of the
photographer can make or break a photoshoot. They need to be calm, get on with everyone and really understand what is needed from the end result.
Sonya says there is huge amount of potential work as a hair photographer, even at a local level with all the salons. Studio photography is safe as you can totally control the lighting and environment. But Sonya also says this can be very sterile as sets need to be build or use green screen. So these are great for some shoots, but she prefers location shoots for the atmosphere. But for the photographer there is less control. That background provides so much for the shot. But outside there can be issues with heat, rain, wind, etc. Sonya says she did a shot in the desert which was quite complex and the poor model started to get sun burnt.
Marcus asks if hair shoots are moving to more on location out of studio shoots. Sonya says yes. Campaigns are getting out of the studio and moving to more editorial, lifestyle of shoot and campaign. The idea is the campaigns try to look like getting great hair is simple and easy to do.
Marcus asks how a photographer could get into hair photography. Sonya says going to shows is great for building a network. The next thing is putting you out on social media as a hair photographer. Explain you are looking for
hairdressers to help them show off their work. Competitions are great to enter and can help boost your visibility. If
you go to a brand they will want to see your portfolio and you’ll need at least twenty stunning shots. So the best thing is start with this and move on to brands once you have experience and a great portfolio.
Sonya explains that hair photography is lots of fun and a
very lucrative area of photography. She has worked with a range of photographers with a lot of different approach
to retouching. Some people she works with do very little retouching , but spend a lot of time getting the initial shot perfect. Other photographers do lots of retouching. And during a shoot the photographer needs to be talking to the team on a photoshoot to ensure everything goes as they want.
You can get hold of Sonya here
Insta
@thesonyadive
FB
SonyaDove

Apr 5, 2024 • 18min
SEO Series part two, external SEO
SEO Part Two
There are going to be three podcasts on SEO.
Planning
External SEO
Internal SEO
This episode is looking at External SEO.
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This week Sam is talking about external SEO. That means
things you can do, external to your website, to help your SEO.
One of the most important things you can do is get a Google
Business account. A Google business account gives you a pin (or area) in Google maps. It also gives a table of information within Google about your businesses within the Google search. It is worth spending time setting up a good Google maps account. If you work from home Sam suggests you set it up showing the area where you work, so it’s not a pin at your house. Posting on Google business is useful, but don’t expect engagement from this. You can add products to your business account. If you don’t have any packages, come up with some. The most important thing you can do is get as many reviews as you can on. Lots of reviews and recent reviews are both really useful. As you always need fresh reviews you always have to stay on the ball with this. Marcus manages two business accounts promoting different sides of his business.
Social Media is another vital part of your SEO. Google isn’t checking every post. But it is keeping an eye that you are active. To ensure this helps with SEO you need to make sure your social media profile shows your website. The one social media account you need to treat a little differently. That’s YouTube, that is owned by Google. Videos can be a great way to bypass the website search. When you search for a term Google will often put Google map entries and videos ahead of websites. So that’s one reason why having a good Google business profile is so important. It also means you can create videos to target specific search terms.
Back links. This means other websites linking to your website. Google thinks if other high quality websites are linking to your site then your website must be good. So trying to get links to your website is important. A simple way to do this is get on as many free business directories as possible. As a warning reciprocal links don’t really work. So don’t trade where two businesses link to each other. Guest blogging and guest podcasting are great ways to build backlinks. If you do a podcast or guest blog ensure you
get links get back to your website. Links from high quality sites provide more kudos than links from low quality websites. Over time back links will build over time if you keep producing high quality engaging content.


