

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Jan 16, 2025 • 52min
S8 Ep. 16: Charles Baxter on the Dangers of Knowing the Future
Acclaimed novelist Charles Baxter joins Fiction/Non/Fiction hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss his recent novel Blood Test: A Comedy. Baxter talks about turning to humor in dark times, the burden of expectations, and writing a protagonist, Brock Hobson, who some readers love and others detest. He discusses how seeing websites and ads that predicted his likes and dislikes led to him inventing a fictional company, Geronomics, which predicts a certain future for Brock and is invested in that scenario playing out one way or another. Baxter also analyzes the craft of writing an antagonist who is a Trumper, but who is never explicitly identified as such. He reads from Blood Test.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/.This podcast is produced by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan.Selected Readings:Charles Baxter
Blood Test: A Comedy
Wonderlands: Essays on the Life of Literature
Gryphon
Burning Down the House: Essays on Fiction
There’s Something I Want You to Do
The Art of Subtext: Beyond Plot
Shadow Play
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5 Episode 33: "The Politics of Craft: Charles Baxter on How His Essays on Writing Respond to a Changing World"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4 Episode 6: "Hope on the Horizon: Charles Baxter and Mike Alberti on Despair and Renewal in Fiction"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1 Episode 4: "We're All Russian, Now"
Humboldt's Gift by Saul Bellows
Oedipus Rex by Sophocles
Macbeth by Shakespeare
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Jan 9, 2025 • 42min
S8 Ep. 15: Ream Shukairy on Syria After Assad
Following the ouster of former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, novelist Ream Shukairy joins Fiction/Non/Fiction co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the country’s future. Shukairy, who grew up in California and spent summers in Syria, reflects on the long history of Syrian resistance to oppression, as well as how parts of her family emigrated. She also talks about how it feels to emerge from a culture of fear and surveillance, what it’s like to revisit what she previously wrote about Assad, and the places she wants to see when she returns to Syria for the first time in years. Shukairy reads from her young adult novel The Next New Syrian Girl.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/.This podcast is produced by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan.Selected Readings:Ream Shukairy
The Next New Syrian Girl
Six Truths and a Lie
Others:
Return to Homs
For Sama
The White Helmets (film)
The White Helmets (organization)
Last Men in Aleppo
Cries from Syria
Still Recording
The Cave
Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War by Leila Al-Shami and Robin Yassin-Kassab
Impossible Revolution: Making Sense of the Syrian Tragedy by Yassin al-Haj Saleh
Assad or We Burn the Country: How One Family’s Lust for Power Destroyed Syria by Sam Dagher
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Jan 2, 2025 • 49min
S8 Ep. 14 REBROADCAST: Jacinda Townsend and James Bernard Short on Percival Everett and American Fiction
Novelist Jacinda Townsend and writer James Bernard Short join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the movie American Fiction, which is based on the novel Erasure by Percival Everett. Townsend and Short discuss how the film addresses race in the publishing industry via its central character, Black author Thelonious “Monk” Ellison, who tries to make an ironic point by writing a book exploiting Black stereotypes and finds, to his dismay, that it’s received in earnest and a bestseller. Townsend and Short analyze director Cord Jefferson’s approach and the film’s themes of family dysfunction, freedom in storytelling, and the importance of portraying the complexity of Black lives. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Jacinda Townsend
Mother Country
Saint Monkey
James Bernard Short
“Aqua Boogie” | Blood Orange Review
“Rootwork” | Blood Orange Review
“Flash, Back: Langston Hughes’ The Simple Shorts” | SmokeLong Quarterly
Others:
American Fiction (movie) | Official Trailer
Erasure by Percival Everett
An American Marriage by Tayari Jones
Harlem Shuffle by Colson Whitehead
Sag Harbor by Colson Whitehead
Salvage the Bones by Jesmyn Ward
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
Thelonious Monk
Ralph Ellison
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
“The Little Man at Chehaw Station” by Ralph Ellison | The American Scholar, 1978
The Tuskegee Institute
White Negroes by Lauren Michele Jackson
“The White Negro” by Norman Mailer | Dissent, 1957
“Dragon Slayers” by Jerald Walker | The Iowa Review, 2006
“The Hidden Lesson of ‘American Fiction’” by John McWhorter | The New York Times
Origin (movie) | Official Trailer
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 11, “Annihilation, Adaptation: What's It Really Like to Have Your Book Made Into a Movie”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2, Episode 11, “Brit Bennett and Emily Halpern on Screenwriting’s Tips for Fiction”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 33, “The Stakes of the Writers’ Strike: Benjamin Percy on the WGA Walkout, Streaming, and the Survival of Screenwriting”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 38, “Jacinda Townsend on Why Democrats Are Skeptical of President Biden—and How He Can Win Them Back”
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Dec 26, 2024 • 47min
S8 Ep. 13: Ellie Palmer and Elle Everhart on the Rise of Romance
In this holiday re-broadcast, Romance novelists Elle Everhart and Ellie Palmer join co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about the genre’s increasing popularity. Everhart, the London-based author of the new book Hot Summer, featuring a protagonist who joins the cast of a reality show only to realize she’s interested in a fellow contestant, discusses coming to romance writing as a fourth grader fascinated by kissing, and wonders why as sales boom, the U.S.—but not the U.K.—is seeing more romance-specific bookstores. Palmer, the author of the new book Four Weekends and a Funeral, whose main character is a carrier of the BRCA1 mutation, recalls falling in love with the genre as she prepared for her own preventative double mastectomy. She reflects on how the genre’s structure promises positive endings for those who need them at challenging moments, and how the language of romance gave her a way to think about her own body and sexuality. Everhart reads from Hot Summer and Palmer reads from Four Weekends and a Funeral. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Elle Everhart
Hot Summer
Wanderlust
Ellie PalmerFour Weekends and a FuneralOthers
"9 New Books We Recommend This Week" | May 4, 2023 | The New York Times
"Hot and Bothered: Four New Romance Novels" by Olivia Waite | August 7, 2020 | The New York Times
Nora Ephron
Nancy Meyers
Mhairi McFarlane
Beth O'Leary
Talia Hibbert
Bolu Babalola
“A Romance Bookstore Boom” by Olivia Waite | The New York Times
“Emily Henry is Proud to be Called a Romance Writer” by | The New York Times
Olivia Waite
Jodi Picoult
Love Island
Tropes & Trifles
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Dec 19, 2024 • 58min
S8 Ep. 12: Journalists Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko on Trump and Ukraine
Nearly three years after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, journalists and podcasters Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko return to Fiction/Non/Fiction to tell hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell how Ukrainians view Donald Trump’s return to power in the U.S. They talk about the situation at the frontlines, the consequences of delayed aid, the urgent need for a swift and decisive response to Russian aggression, and continued Ukrainian resilience in the face of the existential threat of the war. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/.This podcast is produced by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan.Selected Readings:Tetyana Ogarkova
Ukraine Crisis Media Center
L’Ukraine face à la guerre - Ukraine Crisis Media Center
Volodymyr Yermolenko
Internews Ukraine
Explaining Ukraine podcast
Ukraine World
Trump’s Election and Its Impact on Ukraine - with Nataliya Gumenyuk
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5 Episode 15: Scott Anderson on What Russia’s Wars in Chechnya Tell Us about the Invasion of Ukraine
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 51: Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko on How Artists Are Responding to the War in Ukraine
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 2: How Dostoevsky’s Classic Has Shaped Russia’s War in Ukraine, with Explaining Ukraine’s Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko
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Dec 12, 2024 • 44min
S8 Ep. 11: Molly Redden on Trump’s Plan to Seize Spending Power
ProPublica reporter Molly Redden joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her recent piece on impoundment, Donald Trump’s strategy to thwart Congressional spending priorities. Redden talks about how the presidential budget and Congressional appropriations work now, Trump’s claim that he has the authority to ignore what Congress wants to fund, what this could mean for those he perceives as enemies, and the possible role of the “nongovernmental Department of Government Efficiency,” co-led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. She explains the history of impoundment, Richard Nixon’s excessive use of the power to ignore projects he didn’t want to do, and how this led to a 1974 law restricting the option. She analyzes the likelihood that Trump will succeed in challenging the law and reflects on writing and reporting on seemingly outlandish schemes that are neither likely nor impossible. She reads from her article, “How Trump Plans to Seize the Power of the Purse From Congress.”To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Molly Redden“How Trump Plans to Seize the Power of the Purse from Congress” | ProPublica Others:
“Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy: The DOGE Plan to Reform Government” | WSJ
The Brownback Legacy: Tax cut push led to sharp backlash | Wichita Eagle | July 26, 2017
The Constitution of the United States
Loving v. Virginia
Impoundment Control Act
Alien Enemies Act
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Dec 5, 2024 • 46min
S8 Ep. 10: Carvell Wallace on Love, Survival, and Endings
Writer and podcaster Carvell Wallace joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss finding his way to the understanding that life is lived on a continuum and is not made up of neat endings and beginnings. He talks about how his childhood experiences with poverty, housing insecurity, and a frustrated creative genius of a single mother prepared him to understand the world. Wallace also discusses his expansive, generous approach to writing about both people he knows and loves and those he’s profiling as a journalist. He reads from his new memoir Another Word for Love.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Carvell WallaceAnother Word for LoveOthers:
Life is Elsewhere by Milan Kundera
Marilynne Robinson
Easy Rider
“Remembering Hollywood's Hays Code, 40 Years On” | All Things Considered, NPR | August 8, 2008
James Alan McPherson
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Nov 28, 2024 • 46min
S8 Ep. 9: REBROADCAST: The Best and Worst Dinner Parties in Literature: Mar-A-Lago Edition, Featuring Michael Knight
Following Donald Trump’s dinner at Mar-A-Lago with Ye (formerly Kanye West) and white supremacist Nick Fuentes, novelist Michael Knight joins hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about the best and worst dinner parties in literature. They discuss the pressures of hosting, what makes someone a great guest, signature dishes, post-party regrets, and festive successes, as well as scenes in literature featuring all of these things. Knight also reads from a classic dinner party scene in his novella The Holiday Season.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected Readings:Michael Knight
The Typist
At Briarwood School for Girls
Divining Rod
Dogfight
Goodnight, Nobody
Eveningland
The Holiday Season
Others:
“The inside story of Trump’s explosive dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes,” by Marc Caputo
The Days of Afrekete by Asali Solomon
To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf
Leo Tolstoy
“The 8 best Festivus moments from ‘Seinfeld,’ ranked,” USA Today
“Curb Your Enthusiasm”: Bad Middling
Bobcat and Other Stories by Rebecca Lee
Light Years by James Salter
Last Night by James Salter
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
The Dark Tower VII by Stephen King
Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe by Fannie Flagg
The Family Chao by Lan Samantha Chang
The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro
Jim Harrison
Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
Jesus’ Son by Denis Johnson
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
Redwall series by Brian Jacques
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Nov 21, 2024 • 45min
S8 Ep. 8: Ruben Reyes Jr. on Trump's Plans for Mass Deportation
Writer Ruben Reyes Jr. joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the Trump administration’s plans for mass deportation. Reyes explains how deportation could affect families or households with different immigration statuses, including those here through Deferred Action Childhood Arrival (commonly known as DACA) and with Temporary Protected Status. The three discuss Trump’s plans to involve the military in his efforts, and the difficulties he may face, given the interconnectedness of our social and economic systems. Reyes also talks about writing about the dehumanization of immigrants through science fiction and satire, and how he thinks about agency and possibility when he is portraying characters facing systemic oppression. He reads from his short story collection There is a Rio Grande in Heaven.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Ruben Reyes Jr.There is a Rio Grande in HeavenOthers:
“Trump is promising deportations under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. What is it?” by Rachel Treisman | NPR
Stephen Miller
“Who is Usha Vance? Yale law graduate and wife of vice presidential nominee JD Vance” by Olivia Diaz |AP
Pedro Paramo by Juan Rulfo
"Trump's goal of mass deportations fell short. But he has new plans for a second term" by Elliot Spagat | AP
Donald Trump TIME Interview on 2024 Transcript | Time
"In Trump's mass deportation plan, the private prison industry sees a lucrative opportunity" by Laura Romero and Peter Charalambous | ABC News
"If Trump Wins the Election, This is What's at Stake" by Lauren Gambino | The Guardian
“Trump promised the 'largest deportation' in U.S. history. Here's how he might start” by Steve Inskeep and Christopher Thomas | NPR
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Nov 14, 2024 • 42min
S8 Ep. 7: Maggie Tokuda-Hall on Project 2025’s Plans For Book Bans
In the wake of the election, writer Maggie Tokuda-Hall joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss what Project 2025 has in store for authors and book bans. Tokuda-Hall explains Project 2025’s misuse of terms like “critical race theory” and “pornography” and how these will be used to attack mainstream content, especially material by BIPOC and LGBTQ creators. She analyzes conservatives’ plans to make reading less accessible to the general population and talks about co-founding the new organization, Authors Against Book Bans. She also reflects on her experiences with corporate attempts to censor her books for children and young adults, the importance of libraries, and how individuals can resist by connecting with others and by understanding and focusing on their own expertise.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Maggie Tokuda-Hall
The Worst Ronin
The Siren, the Song, and the Spy
The Mermaid, the Witch, and the Sea
Love in the Library
Squad
Others:
Authors Against Book Bans
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 13: "Censoring the American Canon: Farah Jasmine Griffin on Book Bans Targeting Black Writers"
"The Republicans’ Project 2025 is Disastrous For Books," by James Folta | LitHub
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 12: "Intimate Contact: Garth Greenwell on Book Bans and Writing About Sex"
Alex DiFrancesco's resignation from Jessica Kingsley Publishers | X
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 52: "Brooklyn Public Library’s Leigh Hurwitz on Helping Young People Resist Censorship"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 20: "Adam Serwer on Critical Race Theory and the Very American Fear of Owning Up to Our Racist Past and Present"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 22: “Rachel Bitecofer on Democratic Strategies to Counter Republicans in the 2024 Election”
And Tango Makes Three by Justin Richardson, Peter Parnell, and Henry Cole
Idaho House Bill No. 710
Iowa Senate File 496
Book Bans | PEN America
Kimberlé Crenshaw
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