

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Jul 2, 2020 • 1h 22min
S3 Ep. 20: Aiming to Heal When There Is No Cure: Daniela Lamas and C. Dale Young on Doctoring and Our Pandemic Future
In this episode, acclaimed author and pulmonary and critical care specialist Daniela Lamas and celebrated poet and radiation oncologist C. Dale Young join Fiction/Non/Fiction co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the sustained trauma the COVID-19 pandemic has already inflicted, as well as what is to come. Lamas reflects on providing end of life care to coronavirus patients, and reads from a New York Times piece about the varied difficulties some survivors face on long journeys to recovery. Young reads from The Affliction: A Novel in Stories, as well as his recent poem “Adrenaline,” in which he describes wanting relief from being on constant alert; he also talks about watching Americans fail to consider the public good.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
Daniela Lamas
C. Dale Young
Selected readings for the episode:Daniela Lamas
You Can Stop Humming Now
What If We Have to Decide Who Gets a Ventilator?
In the I.C.U., Before the Coronavirus Storm
I’m on the Front Lines. I Have No Plans for This.
What if I Need to Go on a Ventilator?
They Survived Covid-19. Now They Need to Learn to Walk Again.
To My Patients’ Family Members, My Apologies
The Country Is Reopening. My Patients Are Still Suffering.
I’m a Critical Care Doctor. I’m Tired, I’m Mourning, I’m Bracing for More.
What Have We Learned About Reopening
C. Dale Young
“Adrenaline”
The Affliction: A Novel in Stories
“Between Men”
The Halo
The Torn
The Second Person
The Day Underneath the Day
Others:
Pedro Páramo by Juan Rulfo
“The Resident” - Television series
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Jun 18, 2020 • 1h 10min
S3 Ep. 19: Black Stories Matter: Terrion Williamson and Jabari Asim on Narrative During the George Floyd Protests
The police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis has sparked nationwide protests and a reckoning with racism and police brutality. In this episode, University of Minnesota professor and author Terrion Williamson talks with Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about her recent Belt Magazine essay, in which she writes about the parallels between George Floyd’s killing and the 2010 death of David Cornelius Smith, a Black man who moved from her hometown to the Twin Cities. Then, poet and writer Jabari Asim breaks down the dangerous fallout of the criminalization of Black communities and favorable portrayals of police in literature and the media, which he tackles in his newest collection, “Stop and Frisk.”To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
Jabari Asim
Terrion Williamson
Selected readings for the episode:Jabari Asim
Stop and Frisk
A Child’s Introduction to African American History
We Can’t Breathe: On Black Lives, White Lies, and the Art of Survival
Only the Strong
What Obama Means … for Our Culture, Our Politics, Our Future
Not Guilty
Sing It Like a God
The N Word: Who Can Say It, Who Shouldn’t, and Why
A Taste of Honey: Stories
Terrion Williamson
The Black Midwest Initiative
Remembering David Cornelius Smith
Black in the Middle: An Anthology of the Black Midwest
Scandalize My Name: Black Feminist Practice and the Making of Black Social Life
Others:
Minneapolis Had This Coming by Justin Ellis
Why Minneapolis Was the Breaking Point by Wesley Lowery
Revealing the Divisive History of Minneapolis by Sarah Holder
Century after Minnesota lynchings, black man convicted of rape ‘because of his race’ up for pardon by Meagan Flynn
Their Minneapolis Restaurant Burned, but They Back the Protest by Amelia Nierenberg
Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police by Mariame Kaba
The tiny media collective that is delivering some of the most vital reporting from Minneapolis by Troy Patterson
Amy Cooper Is Fired After Calling Police on Black Birder in Central Park
All Fiction is Crime Fiction: Mat Johnson on the Origins of Modern Mystery
The Crisis Magazine - NAACP’s Magazine
Chester Himes
Barbara Neely
Grace Edwards
Attica Locke
Nichelle Tramble
Walter Mosley
Watchmen (television series)
BlackKklansman
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Jun 4, 2020 • 59min
S3 Ep 18: On Feminism and Fictionalized Histories: Curtis Sittenfeld Tackles Centrism, Clintonism, and All Things ‘Hillary Rodham'
In this episode, Curtis Sittenfeld discusses the mix of historical context and fictionalized character development—as well as the double standards every professional woman faces—in her new novel, Rodham. Sittenfeld joins Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to ask the question no one else has dared to: what would the world look like had Hillary Rodham never accepted Bill Clinton’s marriage proposal? To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below.This episode was produced by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan.Guests:Curtis SittenfeldSelected readings for the episode:
Curtis Sittenfeld
Rodham
You Think It, I’ll Say It
Sisterland
American Wife
Prep: A Novel
“White Women LOL” from Oprah Magazine
Others
Chasing Hillary: On the Trail of the First Woman President Who Wasn’t by Amy Chozick
The President’s Daughter by Ellen Emerson White
Philip Roth
John Updike
Ulysses by James Joyce
Wellesley, 1969 from “With Her,” a podcast by Hillary Clinton
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 1969 Commencement Speech
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May 21, 2020 • 1h 11min
S3 Ep. 17: Poetry, Prose, and the Climate Crisis: John Freeman and Tahmima Anam on Public Space and Global Inequality
In this episode, poet and editor John Freeman talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about his second collection of poetry, The Park. Freeman discusses who finds public space a source of connection, relaxation, and recreation, and who is excluded. Then Ganeshananthan, Terrell, and Freeman are joined by acclaimed Bangladeshi writer Tahmima Anam, who has written extensively about climate change and whose fable appears in Freeman’s new anthology, Tales of Two Planets: Stories of Climate Change and Inequality in a Divided World. The four discuss global inequality, the climate crisis, and resilience.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
John Freeman
Tahmima Anam
Selected readings for the episode:John Freeman
Freeman’s
The Park
Maps
Tales of Two Planets: Stories of Climate Change and Inequality in a Divided World
Selections: “Unfinished,” “The Sacrifice,” “Open All Night”
Tales of Two Cities: The Best and Worst of Times in Today’s New York
Tales of Two Americas: Stories in of Inequality in a Divided Nation
Tahmima Anam
“The Unfortunate Place” in Tales of Two Planets
Tahmima Anam on how Bangladesh is succumbing to global warming in The Guardian (2007)
A Burst of Energy in Bangladesh in the New York Times (2016)
A Golden Age
The Good Muslim
The Bones of Grace
Others:
The Recovering by Leslie Jamison
“The Funniest Shit You Ever Heard” by Lina Mounzer in Tales of Two Planets
Jennifer 8. Lee's post on Instagram showing "circular human parking spots at Domino Park in Williamsburg, Brooklyn"
Bill McKibben
Gold Fame Citrus: A Novel by Claire Vaye Watkins
Fiction/Non/Fiction interview with Emily Raboteau and Omar El Akkad
Fiction/Non/Fiction interview with Juliana Spahr and Nathaniel Rich
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May 7, 2020 • 1h 3min
S3 Ep. 16: Solitude Versus Sociability: David Means and Candace Bushnell on Being Alone and Making Connections
In this episode, acclaimed fiction writer David Means and Sex and the City author Candace Bushnell share their experiences with solitude and sociability in quarantine. Means, author of the recent short story collection Instructions for a Funeral, talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about how writers use solitude to their advantage. Bushnell discusses the crucial role social life and friendship plays in Sex and the City and in the lives of New Yorkers. She also speaks about her new novel Rules for Being a Girl.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
David Means
Candace Bushnell
Selected readings for the episode:David Means
Instructions for a Funeral
Assorted Fire Events
The Secret Goldfish
The Spot
Hystopia
“Two Ruminations on a Homeless Brother”
Candace Bushnell
Rules for Being a Girl (co-written with Katie Cotugno)
Is There Still Sex in the City?
Sex and the City
Summer and the City
The Carrie Diaries
Lipstick Jungle
Others
I See the World by Jamaica Kincaid, Paris Review Daily
On Isolation and Literature, The Millions
William Carlos Williams
Katie Cotugno
Anna Karenina
Edith Wharton
Jane Austen
Gloria Evangelina Anzaldúa
Such A Fun Age by Kiley Reid
Bad Feminist by Roxane Gay
We Should All Be Feminists by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
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Apr 23, 2020 • 53min
S3 Ep. 15: Poetry, Blackness, and Friendship: Danez Smith on Language, Connection, and 'Homie'
In this episode, acclaimed poet Danez Smith discusses the role friendship plays in their most recent collection of poetry, Homie. Smith talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about the isolating effect COVID-19 has had on black communities, using space on the page inventively, and writing about money. This episode is presented in conjunction with the Loft Literary Center’s literary festival, Wordplay, which this year is a virtual event.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below.This episode was produced by Andrea Tudhope. This week's sponsor is the University of Colorado's Master of Arts in Journalism Entrepreneurship program. Learn more at ce.colorado.edu/tellthestory to invent your future in journalism today. Poetry, Blackness, and Friendship: Danez Smith on Language, Connection, and ‘Homie’ from The Virtual Book Channel on Vimeo.Guests:Danez SmithSelected readings for the episode:Danez Smith
Homie
Don’t Call Us Dead
Two Poems
what was said on the bus stop: a new poem by Danez Smith
my president
VS podcast, from the Poetry Foundation, hosted by Danez Smith and Franny Choi
Others
Corona Correspondences: #28 by Danielle Evans (The Sewanee Review)
Review: ‘Homie,’ a Book of Poems That Produces Shocking New Vibrations by Pahrul Sehgal
Frank O’Hara
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Angel Nafis
Hieu Minh Nguyen
Douglas Kearney
1977: Poem for Mrs. Fannie Lou Hamer by June Jordan
Recordings of June Jordan from Harvard Library Digitized recordings and more digitized recordings
‘Feet’ and ‘Spoon’ from Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude by Ross Gay
Mirrors: Stories of Almost Everyone by Eduardo Galeano
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Apr 9, 2020 • 51min
S3 Ep. 14: Alternate Histories and Silenced Women: Sue Monk Kidd on Her New Novel The Book of Longings
In this episode, New York Times bestselling author Sue Monk Kidd discusses her upcoming novel The Book of Longings, which is from the point of view of Ana, the wife of Jesus. Kidd talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about how alternate histories can be vehicles for silenced voices of the past, and how our present might be different if Jesus being married was part of the Bible’s story. Kidd also talks about her research process and writing the character of Judas Iscariot. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below.Alternate Histories and Silenced Women: Sue Monk Kidd on her Novel The Book of Longings from The Virtual Book Channel on Vimeo.Guests:Sue Monk KiddSelected readings for the episode:Sue Monk Kidd
The Book of Longings
The Secret Life of Bees
The Invention of Wings
The Dance of the Dissident Daughter
Traveling With Pomegranates (with Ann Kidd Taylor)
Others
Others
The work and teachings of psychoanalyst Carl Jung
The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick
The Plot Against America by Philip Roth
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead
Empire City by Matt Gallagher
Rodham by Curtis Sittenfeld (forthcoming)
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Mar 26, 2020 • 1h 14min
S3 Ep. 13: Literature in the Face of COVID-19: Rigoberto González and Deb Olin Unferth on Writing and Teaching in a Time of Crisis
In this episode, poet Rigoberto González and novelist Deb Olin Unferth discuss how literary life has altered under COVID-19. González, director of the MFA program at Rutgers University-Newark, talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about the struggles universities face in the transition to online classes, and also reads from his latest collection, The Book of Ruin; Unferth speaks about her new novel, Barn 8, its disrupted book tour, and what we can learn from animals and nature as we navigate a global pandemic. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And this episode, for the first time, we feature video excerpts of our interviews. See LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel for more.Guests:
Rigoberto González
Deb Olin Unferth
Selected readings for the episode:Rigoberto González
The Book of Ruin
from "Apocalipsixtlán" [5. Signs of the End of the World] by Rigoberto González - Poems
Butterfly Boy
Deb Olin Unferth
Barn 8: A Novel
Deb Olin Unferth Didn’t Expect to Be Writing From the Point of View of a Chicken (LitHub)
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Mar 12, 2020 • 1h 3min
S3 Ep. 12: A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Woman: Rebecca Solnit on Her Memoir Recollections of My Nonexistence
In this episode, writer, historian, and activist Rebecca Solnit reflects on her new memoir Recollections of My Nonexistence. Solnit talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about the deep impact of gendered violence on daily life and what it means to be treated as unreliable witnesses to our own individual and collective experiences, as well as how her activism arose out of a deep love and what she calls “a positive engagement with uncertainty.” She also reminisces about her earliest writing spaces and formative experiences in political and artistic communities.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below.Guests:Rebecca SolnitSelected readings for the episode:Rebecca Solnit
Recollections of My Nonexistence
Hope in the Dark
Men Explain Things To Me
Other books
My dream candidate exists – and her name is Elizabeth Warren (The Guardian)
Rebecca Solnit: When the Hero is the Problem (LitHub)
Rebecca Solnit: The Loneliness of Donald Trump (LitHub)
How Rebecca Solnit Became the Voice of the Resistance (New York Times)
Others
The Walk by William deBuys
Jia Tolentino and Claire Vaye Watkins Talk Abuse, Harassment, and Harvey Weinstein (Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast Season 1, Episode 2)
Roxane Gay narrates an ad for Elizabeth Warren
The Public Voice of Women by Mary Beard
The Odyssey by Homer
On the Road by Jack Kerouac
Opinion | Elizabeth Warren Has a Poet on Her Team. Here’s Why That’s a Good Idea. (New York Times)
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Feb 27, 2020 • 1h 18min
S3 Ep. 11: Bill Fletcher, Jr. and Chavisa Woods on the Sanders Campaign, Race, and Gender
In this episode, author and activist Bill Fletcher, Jr. and author Chavisa Woods discuss Bernie Sanders’ frontrunner status in the Democratic primary, the campaign’s efforts to build a diverse coalition in 2020, and whether or not those efforts have worked. Fletcher talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about how Sanders has altered his approach to reaching out to black voters; Woods compares the Sanders and Warren campaigns, reflects on their appeal to women, and analyzes how voters talk politics online.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below.Guests:
Bill Fletcher, Jr.
Chavisa Woods
Selected readings for the episode:Bill Fletcher, Jr.
Solidarity Divided: The Crisis in Organized Labor and a New Path Toward Social Justice
“They’re Bankrupting Us!” And 20 Other Myths about Unions
The Man Who Fell from the Sky
Claim No Easy Victories: The Legacy of Amilcar Cabral (co-editor)
To the Point (The Progressive Magazine, February 3, 2014)
Chavisa Woods
100 Times: A Memoir of Sexism
The Albino Album: A Novel
Things to Do When You’re Goth in the Country
The Memoir I Never Wanted to Write (LitHub, June 26, 2019)
Others
The Autobiography of Malcolm X
Marx
Engels
Dream Defenders’ endorsement of Bernie Sanders
Hey, Obama boys: Back off already! (Rebecca Traister in Salon, April 14, 2008)
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