

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Nov 19, 2020 • 1h 17min
S4 Ep. 4: Life After Trump: Jess Walter and Jerald Walker on the Aftermath of Election 2020
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan talk to acclaimed novelist Jess Walter and award-winning essayist Jerald Walker. First, Walter unravels the literary elements of the Trump administration and discusses how his newest book, The Cold Millions, a historical novel touching on unions and feminism at the turn of the century, has many parallels to today’s politics. Then, Walker talks about centering Black courage vs. white cruelty, both in literature and this election, and how he works to find common ground in his writing, including his newest collection of essays, How to Make a Slave, which is a finalist for the National Book Award.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Selected readings:Jess Walter
The Cold Millions
Beautiful Ruins
We Live in Water
The Financial Lives of the Poets
‘The Ponz’: Michael Cohen's Prison Memoir
Jerald Walker
How to Make a Slave and Other Essays
The World in Flames: A Black Boyhood in a White Supremacist Doomsday Cult
Street Shadows: A Memoir of Race, Rebellion, and Redemption
Once More to the Ghetto and Other Essays
“Dragon Slayers”
Others:
King Lear by William Shakespeare
Elmore Leonard
Henry IV, Part II by William Shakespeare
“Did the pandemic sink Trump’s chances? Not as much as his opponents expected,” by Alex Roarty, McClatchy
“'You are no longer my mother': A divided America will struggle to heal after Trump era,” by Tim Reid, Gabriella Borter, Michael Martina, Reuters
Hue and Cry, by James Alan McPherson
James Alan McPherson
Albert Murray
Stanley Crouch
“The Little Man at Chehaw Station” by Ralph Ellison
Self Help by Lorrie Moore
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Nov 5, 2020 • 57min
S4 Ep. 3: Monsters for President: Maria Dahvana Headley on Modern Myth-Making
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan talk to #1 New York Times best-selling author Maria Dahvana Headley about the modern-day relevance of the epic poem Beowulf. She talks about her new translation of the ancient text, and illuminates how the “shit-talking” masculinity of the heroes of old can help us understand our current so-called leaders.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Maria Dahvana Headley
Beowulf: A New Translation
The Mere Wife
Arie
Queen of Kings
The Year of Yes
The End of the Sentence, Kat Howard and Maria Dahvana Headley
Unnatural Creatures, Neil Gaiman (Editor), Briony Morrow-Cribbs (Illustrator), Maria Dahvana Headley
Others:
Transcript: Donald Trump’s Taped Comments About Women, The New York Times
Sarah Cooper and Helen Mirren Recreate Donald Trump’s Infamous ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape, HuffPost
A “Beowulf” for Our Moment, Ruth Franklin, The New Yorker
George Conway (Twitter)
Walter Shaub (Twitter)
Earth Abides, George R. Stewart
Circe, Madeline Miller
The Odyssey, (translated by) Emily Wilson
Beowulf, Seamus Heaney
Television:The Wire (HBO) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 22, 2020 • 1h 11min
S4 Ep. 2: We're in a Scary Movie, and It's Called 2020: emily m. danforth and Laura van den Berg Discuss Literary Horror and Our Upcoming Election
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan talk to novelist emily m. danforth and short story writer Laura van den Berg. danforth discusses her newly released sapphic-gothic horror comedy Plain Bad Heroines and how she reclaims negative and othering portrayals of lesbian vampires and queer monsters in the novel. Then, van den Berg shares her acclaimed new story collection I Hold a Wolf by the Ears and talks about how the pandemic and the Trump presidency has inspired her fiction. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This episode was produced by Andrea Tudhope, Emily Standlee and Mary Henn. Selected readings:emily m. danforth
Plain Bad Heroines
The Miseducation Of Cameron Post
Laura van den Berg
I Hold a Wolf by the Ears
The Isle of Youth
What the World Will Look Like When All the Water Leaves Us
Find Me
The Third Hotel
Others:
The Story of Mary MacLane by Mary MacLane
Rebecca by Dame Daphne du Maurier
Survivor Song by Paul Tremblay
Stephen King
The Elementals by Michael McDowell
Paperbacks from Hell by Grady Hendrix
Television:
Get Out, film
Lovecraft Country (HBO)
Carmilla, the Lesbian Vampire, film
The Ring, film
Beetlejuice, film
The Others, film
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Oct 8, 2020 • 1h 16min
S4 Ep. 1: Fifteen Years After Katrina: Kristina Kay Robinson and Tom Piazza Discuss How the Hurricane Shaped Our Past and Predicted Our Future
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan talk to writer, curator and visual artist Kristina Kay Robinson and novelist and television writer Tom Piazza in the wake of the 15-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Robinson describes the shifting narrative of her hometown, and explains how the U.S. is only now experiencing the full implications of Katrina. Then, Piazza reflects on how the disaster foretold a series of 21st century catastrophes that would affect the most vulnerable among us. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This episode was produced by Andrea Tudhope and Emily Standlee. Selected readings:Kristina Kay Robinson
Republica: Temple of Color and Sound, art exhibition
“Contemplating Extinction as Theme in Basquiat’s ‘Pez Dispenser, 1984,’” poets.org
“The Darkroom in the Attic: Blackness and Visibility,” Burnaway
“Ten Years Since: A Meditation on New Orleans,” The Nation
“Rhythm, Water, and Global Blackness,” The Nation
“10 Questions for Kristina Kay Robinson,” The Massachusetts Review
Letter from New Orleans: Down River Road, Burnaway
The New Orleans African American Museum
“Spiritually Uncensored,” Sugarcane Magazine
Tom Piazza
“Incontinental Drift,” The Huffington Post
City of Refuge
Why New Orleans Matters
Devil Sent the Rain
A Free State
“Living in the Present with John Prine,” The Oxford American
Writers:
The Control of Nature by John McPhee
José Saramago
Leo Tolstoy
Maurice Carlos Ruffin
A.L. Steiner
Television:
Treme (HBO)
Lovecraft Country (HBO)
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Sep 24, 2020 • 1h 18min
S3 Ep. 26: The Past Is Never Dead: Maurice Carlos Ruffin and Michael Gorra on the 'New South' and Whether Faulkner Still Belongs There
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by acclaimed novelist Maurice Carlos Ruffin and Pulitzer finalist in Biography Michael Gorra for a conversation about whether demographic changes are finally making the South new. We Cast a Shadow author Ruffin muses on what racial equality looks like in a futuristic South, and ponders whether political compromise can stabilize the oppositional nature of the United States. Then Gorra discusses his book, The Saddest Words: William Faulkner’s Civil War; and considers the intricate set of limitations that come with writing from multiple fictional perspectives. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Selected readings:Maurice Carlos Ruffin
We Cast a Shadow
The Ones Who Don’t Say They Love You (forthcoming)
Michael Gorra
The Saddest Words: William Faulkner’s Civil War
Portrait of a Novel: Henry James and the Making of an American Masterpiece
The Bells in Their Silence: Travels Through Germany
The English Novel at Mid-Century: From the Leaning Tower
After Empire: Scott, Naipaul, Rushdie
Books:
Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson
The Intuitionist by Colson Whitehead
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Yellow House by Sarah M. Broom
Heavy: An American Memoir by Kiese Laymon
The Revisioners by Margaret Wilkerson Sexton
The Tradition by Jericho Brown
Dry September by William Faulkner
Light in August by William Faulkner
The Unvanquished by William Faulkner
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Absalom, Absalom! by William Faulkner
Intruder in the Dust by William Faulkner
Go Down, Moses by William Faulkner
Flags in the Dust by William Faulkner
Twentieth-Century Fiction and the Black Mask of Humanity by Ralph Ellison
Shadow and Act by Ralph Ellison
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
South to a Very Old Place by Albert Murray
To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Opinion | How Donald Trump will finally kill the Southern Strategy
Writers:
HP Lovecraft
Flannery O’Connor
Eudora Welty
Richard Wright
Zora Neale Hurston
Nikki Giovanni
Toni Morrison
Nafissa Thompson-Spires
Rion Amilcar Scott
Jamel Brinkley
Tayari Jones
Roxane Gay
Randall Kenan
James Baldwin
Ernest Hemingway
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Don DeLillo
Henry James
George Eliot
Jesmyn Ward
Charles Dickens
Natasha Trethewey
Television:
Lovecraft Country
Watchmen
Atlanta
Films:
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Sorry to Bother You
Directors:
Jordan Peele
Boots Riley
Donald Glover
Others:
Justin Ward (journalist)
FiveThirtyEight (podcast)
Stacey Abrams (politician)
Newt Gingrich (politician)
James Meredith (civil rights activist)
Disunion (NYT column)
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Sep 10, 2020 • 1h 18min
S3 Ep. 25: No Innocents Abroad: Scott Anderson and Andrew Altschul on the CIA and U.S. Provocateurs in Foreign Politics
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by veteran war correspondent and bestselling author Scott Anderson and prize-winning novelist Andrew Altschul. Anderson shares what led him to the four spies featured in his new book The Quiet Americans. Then Altschul talks about decentering the narrative of the American abroad in his new novel The Gringa, which takes inspiration from the real-life case of Lori Berenson. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Selected readings:Scott Anderson
Triage
Moonlight Hotel
The Man Who Tried to Save the World
War Zones
Lawrence in Arabia
Fractured Lands
The Quiet Americans
“None Dare Call It a Conspiracy”
Andrew Altschul
The Gringa
Deus Ex Machina
Lady Lazarus
Others:
The Godfather Film Series
Graham Greene
Tenet
The James Bond Films
Austin Powers Movies
John le Carré
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert
Mark Twain
The Darling by Russell Banks
“The Storytellers of Empire” by Kamila Shamsie
Libra by Don DeLillo
"Why I Didn't Sign the Open Letter Against Trump" by Aleksandar Hemon
American Pastoral by Philip Roth
The Good Lieutenant by Whitney Terrell
American Dirt by Jeanine Cummins
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Aug 27, 2020 • 1h 23min
S3 Ep. 24: Summer Books Extravaganza: Margot Livesey and Jaswinder Bolinda on Beach Reading When the Beach is Closed
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by novelist Margot Livesey and poet and essayist Jaswinder Bolina. Livesey discusses an excerpt from her fantastic new novel, The Boy in the Field, and challenges the traditional idea that that beach reads shouldn’t, or can’t, be “political.” Then Bolina discusses how the most popular books in this historic summer of protest and pandemic – including his own brilliant new collection of essays, Of Color – have engaged with themes of race and anti-racism. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel. This episode was produced by Dylan Miettinen and Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Margot Livesey
The Boy in the Field
Mercury: A Novel
The Flight of Gemma Hardy
The House on Fortune Street
Banishing Verona
Eva Moves the Furniture
The Missing World
Criminals
Homework
Jaswinder Bolina
Of Color
The 44th of July
Phantom Camera
Others:
Middlemarch by George Eliot
Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
Normal People by Sally Rooney
The Mothers by Brit Bennett
Milkman by Anna Burns
The Bonfire of the Vanities by Tom Wolfe
Rodham by Curtis Sittenfeld
Such a Fun Age by Kiley Reid
Ken Follett
James A. Michener
1984 by George Orwell
Toni Morrison
Margot Livesey on moral weakness for the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast
The Firm by John Grisham
Tom Clancy
Sue Monk Kidd
Agatha Christie
Rex Stout
Ngaio Marsh
Ralph Ellison
Billy Collins
How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo
Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning by Cathy Park Hong
Ta-Nehisi Coates
Citizen by Claudia Rankin
Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude by Ross Gay
The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennett
A Burning by Megha Majumdar
The Professor’s House by Willa Cather
Real Life by Brandon Taylor
Feel Free by Zadie Smith
The Great Believers Rebecca Makkai
This Is One Way to Dance by Sejal Shah
The Dark Tower by Stephen King
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Aug 13, 2020 • 1h 20min
S3 Ep. 23: We've Been Here Before: Kaitlyn Greenidge and Russell Banks on the Past and Present of Protest and White Backlash
In this episode, Fiction/Non/Fiction co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by acclaimed fiction writer and essayist Kaitlyn Greenidge and poet and novelist Russell Banks. Greenidge challenges traditional framings of “white backlash” and argues that white privilege in the U.S. has shifted to a false narrative of victimhood. Then, Banks discusses his experiences of protest in the ’60s and ’70s, highlighting similarities in the tactics of – and governmental responses to – today’s #BLM activists.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
Kaitlyn Greenidge
Russell Banks
Selected readings for the episode:Kaitlyn Greenidge
“The Hollowness of This Too Shall Pass”
“Can You Dismantle White Supremacy with Words?”
We Love You, Charlie Freeman
Russell Banks
The Darling
The Sweet Hereafter
Cloudsplitter
Rule of the Bone
Affliction
Success Stories
Continental Drift
Searching for Survivors
Trailerpark
The Book of Jamaica
The New World
Hamilton Stark
The Reserve
Lost Memory of Skin
A Permanent Member of the Family
Dreaming Up America
Voyager
Foregone
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction interview with Thomas Frank
Conflict is Not Abuse by Sarah Schulman
“The Pandemic is a Portal” by Arundhati Roy
The Salt Eaters by Toni Cade Bambara
Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention by Manning Marable
“Waking Up in the Middle of Some American Dreams,” by June Jordan
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Jul 30, 2020 • 53min
S3 Ep. 22: The Unpopular Tale of Populism: Thomas Frank on the Real History of an American Mass Movement
In this special live episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, political commentator and historian Thomas Frank joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his newest book, The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism. Presented by the Kansas City Public Library and Rainy Day Books, this conversation delves into the complicated history of populism, as Frank argues that the Trump administration and right-wing authoritarian governments in Hungary and Brazil — characterized by many as examples of populist movements — are in fact anything but. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:Thomas FrankSelected readings for the episode:Thomas Frank
The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism
Listen, Liberal
What’s the Matter with Kansas?
The Conquest of Cool
Rendezvous with Oblivion: Reports from a Sinking Society
The Wrecking Crew
Pity the Billionaire
Commodify Your Dissent
One Market Under God
The Return of Socialism in America? Dana Goldstein and Thomas Frank on Season 1, Episode 17 of the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast
Others:
“How Americans Politics Went Insane” by Jonathan Rauch
“It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses” by James Traub
“How Long, Not Long” Speech by Martin Luther King Jr.
Fiction/Non/Fiction Interview with James Traub
“The Fight Over the Future of the Democratic Party” by James Traub
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Jul 16, 2020 • 1h 20min
S3 Ep. 21: Breaking the Mold: Christopher Buckley and Sara Paretsky on Reinventing Genre
In this episode, acclaimed modern crime writer Sara Paretsky and political satirist and novelist Christopher Buckley join Fiction/Non/Fiction co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about pushing against the boundaries of genre writing. Buckley discusses how political satire has been redefined in the era of reality-television-star-turned-president Trump, and why his new novel Make Russia Great Again is a faux memoir. Then, Paretsky speaks about making the male-dominated detective fiction genre her own with the best-selling V.I. Warshawski series, and reflects on her recent collection Love & Other Crimes, which also features the iconic character.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:
Christopher Buckley
Sara Paretsky
Selected readings for the episode:Christopher Buckley
Make Russia Great Again
But Enough About You
They Eat Puppies, Don’t They?
Losing Mum and Pup
Supreme Courtship
Boomsday
No Way to Treat a First Lady
Florence of Arabia
Little Green Men
Wry Martinis
Sara Paretsky
V.I. Warshawski novels
Indemnity only
Fallout
Fire Sale
Hardball
Love & Other Crimes
“Acid Test”
“Miss Bianca”
“Flash Point”
Anatomy of Innocence
Others:
“Christopher Buckley’s ‘Make Russia Great Again’ is the Trump satire we’ve been waiting for” by Ron Charles
“Sarah Cooper Doesn’t Mimic Trump. She Exposes Him.” by ZZ Packer
Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare
“Fawlty Towers” - Television series
“‘Art of the Deal’ co-author: Trump ‘couldn’t care less tens of thousands are people are dying’” - MSNBC interview with Donald Trump’s ghostwriter Tony Schwartz
“This Be The Verse” by Philip Larkin
Hilary Mantel
Too Much and Never Enough by Mary L. Trump
Fiction/Non/Fiction interview with Curtis Sittenfeld
Fiction/Non/Fiction interview with Jabari Asim
Rodham by Curtis Sittenfeld
Anna Katherine Green
S.J. Rozan
Raymond Chandler
The Maltese Falcon by Dashiell Hammett
Dorothy L. Sayers
Raymond Chandler
John D. MacDonald
Rex Stout
Jabari Asim
John Conroy
Lee Child
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