

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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May 20, 2021 • 1h 22min
S4 Ep. 17: Biden Boom? Carolin Benack and Sanjena Sathian on the Fiction of the Economy and the Dangerous Appeal of Excess
Scholar Carolin Benack and novelist Sanjena Sathian join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss how literature and economics intersect. First, Benack talks about the theoretical storytelling that is economics, and reads from her article on the topic. Then, Sathian reads from her debut novel Gold Diggers and talks about the American obsession with excess, and how our fluctuating economy impacts our relationship with wealth and reinvention.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and don't miss our brand-new website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Carolin Benack
“Economists are more like storytellers than scientists – don't let the Nobel for 'economic sciences' fool you”
Sanjena SathianGold Diggers Others:
The Body Economic: Life, Death, and Sensation in Political Economy and the Victorian Novel by Catherine Gallagher
“The Economy of Pain: Capitalism, Humanitarianism, and the Realistic Novel,” by Wai Chee Dimock
U.S. Intelligence Report Warns of Global Consequences of Social Fragmentation, from The New York Times
All the King’s Men by Robert Penn Warren
The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen
A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again by David Foster Wallace
Rabbit Hole, podcast from the New York Times
George Saunders
Edith Wharton
John Updike
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May 6, 2021 • 1h 26min
S4 Ep. 16: Making It New: Michael Kleber-Diggs and Kao Kalia Yang on How Minnesota's Famed Literary Scene is Reacting to Racial Injustice at Home
Poet Michael Kleber-Diggs and memoirist Kao Kalia Yang join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss Minnesota’s complex history with immigrants, as well as how the Twin Cities’ literary scene is responding in the wake of the murder of George Floyd. First, Kleber-Diggs reads from his forthcoming debut poetry collection, Worldly Things, and talks about being a Black poet in Minnesota. Then, Yang reflects on her experience entering the literary community as a Hmong refugee, and reads from her new book, Somewhere in the Unknown World: A Collective Refugee Memoir. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and don't miss our brand-new website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Michael Kleber-Diggs
Worldly Things
There’s a Revolution Outside, My Love: Letters from a Crisis edited by Tracy K. Smith and John Freeman
“Letter From St. Paul: On the Complex Flavors of Black Joy,” Literary Hub
You. Are. Not. Welcome. Here. Being Black in Minnesota | Essay Minnesota Reformer
Kao Kalia Yang
Somewhere in the Unknown World
The Latehomecomer
The Song Poet
A Map Into The World
The Shared Room
The Most Beautiful Thing
What God Is Honored Here?: Writings on Miscarriage and Infant Loss by and for Native Women and Women of Color co-edited with Shannon Gibney
Others:
The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman
Walter Mondale, Ex-Vice President Under Jimmy Carter, Dies at 93, The New York Times
The Center for Victims of Torture
The Advocates for Human Rights
‘These People Aren’t Coming From Norway’: Refugees in a Minnesota City Face a Backlash
Refugenius/Saymoukda Duangphouxay Vongsay
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Apr 22, 2021 • 53min
S4 Ep. 15: Workshop Politics: Matthew Salesses on Centering Traditionally Marginalized Writers
Bestselling novelist Matthew Salesses joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the politics, history, and context driving different modes of teaching fiction writing. After sharing an excerpt from his new book Craft in the Real World, Salesses explains how the traditional creative writing workshop model fails marginalized writers, and why examining craft questions through a range of lenses should matter to both writers and readers. He also reads from his new novel Disappear Doppelgänger Disappear, which is a finalist for the PEN/Faulkner Award.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and don't miss our brand-new website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Matthew Salesses
Craft in the Real World
Disappear Doppelgänger Disappear
The Hundred-Year Flood
I’m Not Saying, I’m Just Saying
Different Racisms: On Stereotypes, the Individual, and Asian American Masculinity
The Last Repatriate
Others:
Tiger Writing by Gish Jen
No-No Boy by John Okada
Who Killed Vincent Chin? (documentary) by Christine Choy and Renee Tajima-Pena
Drumline (film) by Charles Stone III
A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
“Unsilencing the Writing Workshop” by Beth Nguyen
Native Son by Richard Wright
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D for Nintendo 3DS
Books by Haruki Murakami
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Apr 8, 2021 • 1h 23min
S4 Ep. 14: This Is Who We Are: Gish Jen and Peter Ho Davies on the Long History of Anti-Asian Racism in the U.S.
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by acclaimed writer Gish Jen and novelist Peter Ho Davies to reflect on recent and historic violence against Asian Americans. First, Jen reads her recent New York Times op-ed about the generational differences in how Asian Americans see anti-Asian racism. She also imagines a way forward, explaining that we need to elevate and recognize stories of trauma as well as strength in Asian American experiences. Then, Davies talks about Asian representation in literature and films, and reads from his novel The Fortunes, and its section about the tragic 1982 murder of Vincent Chin, which prompted major shifts in Asian American political organizing. Davies also discusses his latest book, A Lie Someone Told You About Yourself.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Gish Jen
“The Generational Split in How Asian-Americans See the Atlanta Shootings,” New York Times
The Resisters
The Girl at The Baggage Claim
Tiger Writing
World and Town
The Love Wife
Who’s Irish?
Mona In The Promised Land
Typical American
Peter Ho Davies
A Lie Someone Told You About Yourself
The Fortunes
The Welsh Girl
Equal Love
The Ugliest House in the World
Others:
“Covering the Atlanta massacre from inside the Korean community,” by Shinhee Kang, Columbia Journalism Review
“Jay Leno Apologizes for Years of Anti-Asian Jokes,” by Daniel Victor, New York Times
Media Action Network for Asian Americans
Miss Saigon by Claude-Michel Schönberg and Alain Boublil
Madame Butterfly by Puccini
M. Butterfly by David Henry Hwang
Passing by Nella Larsen
Terrific Mother by Lorrie Moore
Rising Sun, film by Philip Kaufman
The Karate Kid, film by Robert Mark Kamen
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, film by Steven Spielberg
The Duke of Deception by Geoffrey Wolff
The Great Santini by Pat Conroy
“Adam Purinton Pleads Guilty In Olathe Bar Shooting, Still Faces Federal Hate Crime Charges,” by Andrea Tudhope, KCUR
Kundiman
Asian American Writers' Workshop – The Margins
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Mar 25, 2021 • 1h 23min
S4 Ep. 13: Cancel Culture or Consequences Culture?: Meredith Talusan and Matt Gallagher on Accountability in Literature and Media
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by award-winning author and journalist Meredith Talusan and acclaimed writer Matt Gallagher. Talusan reads from her memoir Fairest, and talks about representation in literature, the intersections of their identity as an Asian and transgender woman, and why transphobia is a recurring theme in conversations about problematic faves. Then, Gallagher shares his take on “cancelling” problematic authors, and discusses his recent Intercept article about the new film Cherry, which is adapted from Nico Walker’s autobiographical novel. In the piece, Gallagher parses ethical storytelling and how the American romanticization of crime can depend on the perpetrator’s identity. He also reads from his most recent novel, Empire City.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Meredith Talusan
Fairest: A Memoir
Them
Opinion | On Being a Trans Woman, and Giving Up Makeup
Unflinching Honesty: An Interview with Meredith Talusan
Matt Gallagher
Empire City: A Novel
“Cherry” and Hollywood's Treatment of Robbers and Victims
Youngblood: A Novel
Kaboom: Embracing the Suck in a Savage Little War
Others:
A Letter on Justice and Open Debate, Harper’s Magazine
Artists and Writers Warn of an ‘Intolerant Climate.’ Reaction Is Swift. by Jennifer Schuessler and Elizabeth A. Harris, New York Times
She Pulled Her Debut Book When Critics Found It Racist. Now She Plans to Publish. by Alexandra Alter, New York Times
How British Feminism Became Anti-Trans by Sophie Lewis, New York Times
Francis Hodgson Burnett
Roald Dahl
Ezra Pound
Enid Blyton
Another Country by James Baldwin
The Secret Garden by Francis Hodgson Burnett
Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad
An Image of Africa: Racism in Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness' by Chinua Achebe
“On Stalin” by W.E.B. Du Bois
The Woman Warrior: A Memoir of Girlhood Amongst Ghosts by Maxine Hong Kingston
The Mikado by W.S. Gilbert and Sir Arthur Sullivan
Miss Saigon by Claude-Michel Schönberg and Alain Boublil
Madame Butterfly by Puccini
M. Butterfly by David Henry Hwang
Cathy Park Hong
Julie Otsuka
The Lover by Marguerite Duras
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory by Roald Dahl
Perspective | So you’re being held accountable? That’s not ‘cancel culture.’ by Margaret Sullivan
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Mar 11, 2021 • 1h 10min
S4 Ep. 12: WTF, Texas?: Lacy M. Johnson and Natalia Sylvester on Surviving the Recent Storm and Unraveling the Whitewashed Myth of Texas
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by author Lacy M. Johnson and novelist Natalia Sylvester. First, Johnson recalls her personal experience through the recent storm, and talks about the ongoing debate over deregulation and privatization of the Texas energy grid. Then, Sylvester unravels the whitewashed, exceptionalist myth of Texas, elevates its Mexican, Black and Indigenous history, and talks about what it means for her, a Latinx, Peruvian immigrant woman, to be a “Texas writer.” Johnson reads from the forthcoming edited volume, More City Than Water: A Houston Flood Atlas; Sylvester reads from her new YA novel, Running.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Lacy M. Johnson
More City Than Water: A Houston Flood Atlas (forthcoming, University of Texas Press)
The Reckonings: Essays
The Other Side: A Memoir
Trespasses: A Memoir
Natalia Sylvester
Running
Everyone Knows You Go Home
Chasing the Sun
Others:
2666 by Roberto Bolaño
Cite Design Alliance
Cormac McCarthy
Dear Twin by Addie Tsai
Donald Barthelme
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room Documentary
ERCOT
"‘Frozen Windmills’ aren’t to blame for Texas’s power failure" by Salvador Rizzo
"Houston is a cheap place to live - if you don’t count the trauma tax" by Raj Mankad
How Much of These Hills is Gold by C Pam Zhang
James A. Michener
Katherine Anne Porter
Lonesome Dove: A Novel by Larry McMurtry
Lot and Memorial by Bryan Washington
Necropolitics by Achille Mbembe
Outlawed by Anna North
"Perry says Texans willing to suffer blackouts to keep feds out of power market" by James Osborne
Public Utilities Commission of Texas Memo
Red Salmon Arts by Raúl Salinas
Refusing To Forget Project by Benjamin Johnson, John Morán Gonzalez, and Sonia Hernández
Tarfia Faizullah
"Texas Won’t Reduce $16 Billion In Electricity Charges From Winter Storm" by Matthew S. Schwartz
The Great American Bubble Machine by Matt Taibbi
The President’s Daughter by Ellen Emerson White
The Shock Doctrine The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein
The Smartest Guys in the Room: The Amazing Rise and Scandalous Fall of Enron by Bethany McLean and Peter Elkind
Treme
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Feb 25, 2021 • 1h 21min
S4 Ep. 11: COVID Doesn't Know Boundaries: Uzodinma Iweala, Bindu Shajan Perappadan and Suhasini Raj on How African Countries and India Have Handled COVID-19
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by author, medical doctor, and Africa Center CEO Uzodinma Iweala and Delhi-based journalists Bindu Shajan Perappadan and Suhasini Raj. First, Iweala unpacks flawed stereotypes about health and healthcare in Africa. Reading from his book, Our Kind of People, Iweala draws parallels between the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the COVID-19 pandemic, and discusses how certain African countries, including Nigeria and Tanzania, have fared over the past year. Then Perappadan of The Hindu and Raj of The New York Times talk about their coronavirus coverage, and explain how past crises have influenced the response to COVID-19 in different Indian states. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Uzodinma Iweala
Our Kind of People
Beasts of No Nation
Speak No Evil
Bindu Shajan Perappadan“Online Memorial to COVID-19 Victims Going Live on January 30,” The Hindu
Suhasini Raj
“The Virus Trains: How Lockdown Chaos Spread Covid-19 Across India” by Jeffrey Gettleman, Suhasini Raj, Sameer Yasir and Karan Deep Singh, with photographs by Atul Loke, New York Times
“I Covered Coronavirus Victims. Then My Family Members Became Victims, Too.” New York Times
Others:
Crisis in the Red Zone by Richard Preston
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The Farewell (film) by Lulu Wang
“The coming of age of the Africa Centers for Disease Control” by Aloysius Uche Ordu, Brookings
“Africa’s COVID-19 Denialist-in-Chief” by Lynsey Chutel, Foreign Policy
National Covid Memorial
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Feb 11, 2021 • 45min
S4 Ep. 10: 'A Certain Kind of Hunger': Chang-rae Lee on Writing About Connection While We're Worlds Apart
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by award-winning author Chang-rae Lee. Lee talks about the varied cast of characters in his new novel, My Year Abroad, writing about sensory and social experiences, and how he dove into his own growing feelings of isolation through the Trump administration and then the pandemic. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Chang-rae Lee
My Year Abroad
On Such A Full Sea
The Surrendered
Native Speaker
A Gesture Life
Others:
The Adventures of Augie March by Saul Bellow
“The Little Man at Chehaw Station” by Ralph Ellison
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Jan 28, 2021 • 1h 17min
S4 Ep. 9: Making Good: Tracy K. Smith and Kawai Strong Washburn On Biden's Debts to His Base (Especially Black Women)
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by former U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith and novelist Kawai Strong Washburn, who talk about what the Biden administration owes the BIPOC and women voters who got them elected. First, Smith discusses building bridges as a nation, and shares excerpts of her award-winning collection, Wade in the Water. Then, Hawaii-born Washburn talks about the power of community organizing, and reads from his acclaimed debut, Sharks in the Time of Saviors.To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Tracy K. Smith
The Cancer Journals
Life On Mars: Poems
Wade In The Water: Poems
American Journal: Fifty Poems For Our Time
Ordinary Light: A Memoir
Duende: Poems
“Poet Tracy K. Smith Pays Tribute to Kamala Harris,” Vogue
Kawai Strong Washburn
Sharks in the Time of Saviors
“What the Ocean Eats,” McSweeney’s
Others:
“Biden's First 100 Days: Here's What To Expect” by Elena Moore, NPR
America Amplified: Election 2020, a six-episode national talk show from the CPB public media initiative America Amplified
“Portraits of Reconciliation: 20 years after the genocide in Rwanda, reconciliation still happens one encounter at a time,” by Pieter Hugo and Susan Dominus, New York Times
“Kama'āina: Kawai Strong Washburn Interviewed by Kathryn Savage,” BOMB Magazine
Malcolm X Biography
Senator Ted Cruz on Twitter: "By rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, President Biden indicates he's more interested in the views of the citizens of Paris than in the jobs of the citizens of Pittsburgh. This agreement will do little to affect the climate and will harm the livelihoods of Americans."
“The Lawyer Who Became DuPont's Worst Nightmare” by Nathaniel Rich, The New York Times Sunday Magazine
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Jan 14, 2021 • 1h 16min
S4 Ep. 8: Our Lies: Jenny Offill and James Plath on Conspiracy Theories in History and Literature
In this week’s episode of Fiction/Non/Fiction, co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan are joined by author Jenny Offill and literary and film critic James Plath. First Offill shares her reaction to the insurrection and attempted coup at the Capitol last week, and discusses her latest novel, Weather, out in paperback next week. Then, Plath explores the origins of conspiracy theories in history and literature and how right-wing extremists have weaponized them under Trump, and talks about editing Critical Insights: Conspiracies. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. And check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel and Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel.This podcast is produced by Andrea Tudhope.Selected readings:Jenny Offill
Weather
Last Things
Dept. of Speculation
James Plath
Critical Insights: Conspiracies
“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Conspiracy”
Others:
“The American Abyss,” by Timothy Snyder, The New York Times Magazine
On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder
Hannah Arendt
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
Three Days of the Condor (film) by Sydney Pollack
Utopia (TV series) by Gillian Flynn
“Stop Making Sense, or How to Write in the Age of Trump” by Aleksandar Hemon, The Village Voice
“Jenny Offill: 'I don't miss the world as much as, perhaps, I should'” by Alex Preston, The Guardian
JFK (film) by Oliver Stone
Libra by Don DeLillo
Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
V (TV series)
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
“The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories” by Brielle A. Marino, Psychology Today
Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison
“The Hull Case” by Peter Ho Davies
“Teen Names Family Who Harassed A Black Woman On Video,” Buzzfeed
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