

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Feb 10, 2022 • 51min
S5 Ep. 10: ‘How on Earth Do You Judge Books?’: Susan Choi and Oscar Villalon on the Real Story Behind Literary Awards
National Book Award-winning novelist Susan Choi and critic and editor Oscar Villalon talk to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about the business, prestige and (hopefully) idealism of literary awards. Choi talks about critical reception versus award recognition, the roles of luck and taste, and how winning a major prize for her novel Trust Exercise changed her career. Villalon talks about making his way through stacks of nominated books, who can afford to judge book awards, diversity on judging panels, and his experience chairing the 2021 Pulitzer Prize fiction jury.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected Readings:Susan Choi
Trust Exercise
American Woman
My Education
The Foreign Student
Oscar Villalon
ZYZZYVA
Letters from San Francisco: When the Shadow is Looming
Future Shock
Others:
Fiction - The Pulitzer Prizes
Announcing the 2022 PEN America Literary Awards Finalists
Announcing the Finalists for the National Book Critics Circle Awards
Augustus by John Williams
Stoner by John Williams
Is College Education a Right or a Privilege? Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 5
The Lost Books of the Odyssey by Zachary Mason
The Secret Lives of Church Ladies by Deesha Philyaw
Salvage The Bones - By Jesmyn Ward - Book Review - The New York Times
Just How White is the Book Industry?
Who Gets to Be a Writer? - Public Books
Tinkers by Paul Harding
All the President's Henchmen: Susan Choi and Garrett Graff on the Citizens of the Swamp Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 3, Episode 9
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Jan 27, 2022 • 1h 19min
S5 Ep. 9: ‘Likes Do Not Count’: Anton Troianovski and Marci Shore on Why Russia’s ‘Post-Truth’ Aggression Toward Ukraine Matters to All of Us
New York Times Moscow bureau chief Anton Troianovski and Yale historian Marci Shore join hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine. Troianovski discusses his reporting on the recent talks between the U.S. and Russia, contextualizes Russia’s unusual demands, and considers the odds of a diplomatic solution. Shore lays out the Ukrainian political history that helped set the stage for current tensions, explains how Trump learned from Putin’s efforts to subvert Ukrainian elections, and recommends favorite Ukrainian writers. The episode also features Reginald Dwayne Betts reading Serhiy Zhadan’s poem “Headphones,” which he selected for inclusion in The New York Times Magazine.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at our Fiction/Non/Fiction Podcast Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Anton Troianovski
U.S. and Russia Take More Measured Stance in Ukraine Talks - The New York Times
Articles by Anton Troianovski in The New York Times
Marci Shore
Ukrainian Corruption Is Trump's Native Language | Foreign Policy
The Bard of Eastern Ukraine, Where Things Are Falling Apart | The New Yorker
The Poet Laureate of Hybrid War | Foreign Policy
Others:
Poem: Headphones - The New York Times
Seven dillweeds | Eurozine
Mondegreen — Volodymyr Rafeyenko | Harvard University Press
Words for War
Greetings from Novorossiya - University of Pittsburgh Press
Love Ukraine as You Would the Sun: 10 Ukrainian Books Worth Reading in English ‹ Literary Hub
“We're All Russian, Now,” featuring Sana Krasikov and Charles Baxter (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 4)
Frank Foer
Immanuel Kant
The Orphanage by Serhiy Zhadan
Reginald Dwayne Betts
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Jan 13, 2022 • 1h 29min
S5 Ep. 8: Exceeding Surge Capacity: Paul Lisicky and Terese Marie Mailhot on the Long-Term Mental Health Effects of the Pandemic
Authors Paul Lisicky and Terese Marie Mailhot join hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the possible long-term mental health effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. First, Lisicky discusses the situation in light of his experiences with the AIDS epidemic and through the lens of his memoir Later: My Life at the Edge of the World. In the second half of the show, Mailhot reads from her bestselling memoir Heart Berries and talks about how children’s futures may be shaped by the trauma they have experienced since early 2020.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at our Fiction/Non/Fiction Podcast Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Paul Lisicky
Later: My Life at the Edge of the World
The Narrow Door
Unbuilt Projects
Lawn Boy
Famous Builder
The Burning House
Terese Marie MailhotHeart BerriesOthers:
What if There's No Such Thing as Closure? - The New York Times Magazine, by Meg Bernhard
Ambiguous Loss by Pauline Boss
From the Mouths of Babes: Wayne Miller and Elizabeth Gaffney on Writing About Children in Uncertain Times ‹ Literary Hub (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 23)
MacGyver
In the Shadow of the Epidemic by Walt Odets
Elizabeth McCracken
Tara Haelle
Ann Masten
Martin Seligman
The Sentence - Louise Erdrich
The Simpsons
CDC study of adverse childhood experiences
“COVID is Driving a Children’s Mental Health Emergency” by Julia Hotz
“U.S. Surgeon General Issues Advisory on Youth Mental Health Crisis Further Exposed by COVID-19 Pandemic”
“A declaration from the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Children’s Hospital Association”
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Dec 30, 2021 • 54min
S5 Ep. 7: Complicity, Corruption, and Accountability: Asali Solomon on The Days of Afrekete and the January 6 Investigation
Novelist Asali Solomon joins hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss accountability, the ongoing Congressional investigation into the January 6 insurrection, and her new novel. The Days of Afrekete, an Obama-era story, follows Liselle Belmont, a Black woman throwing a dinner party for her white husband, a politician who is suspected of corruption. As she considers her own personal and political choices, she flashes back to a lost love: her college girlfriend Selena. Solomon reads from the book and talks about depicting accountability and its lack, the intimate costs of being connected to power, and how Virginia Woolf’s Mrs. Dalloway, Toni Morrison’s Sula, and Audre Lorde’s Zami influenced her storytelling. She also reflects on how reading the late bell hooks gave her a new vision of herself in the world.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Asali Solomon
The Days of Afrekete
Disgruntled
Get Down
Killing the Donald Trump in Us: How to Be Less Like the Man We Elected to Lead Us
Others:
About | Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol
Philadelphia keeps revisiting MOVE bombing history because we never truly learned it | Opinion
Rashida Tlaib berates Mark Meadows for using black woman as 'a prop' at hearing - POLITICO
Liz Cheney Takes Center Stage in Jan. 6 Inquiry - The New York Times
Significant Other | The New Yorker
House Seeks Contempt Charge Against Meadows in Jan. 6 Inquiry - The New York Times
Meadows and the Band of Loyalists: How They Fought to Keep Trump in Power - The New York Times
A Dinner Party About Lost Selves and Lost Chances - Electric Literature
The Good Wife
The West Wing
Zami by Audre Lorde
Sula by Toni Morrison
Angela Davis
Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
bell hooks
Black Looks
Teaching to Transgress
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Dec 16, 2021 • 43min
S5 Ep. 6: Immigration in Europe: Nadifa Mohamed on Belarus, Brexit, and the EU’s Accelerating Racism Towards Migrants of Color
Acclaimed novelist Nadifa Mohamed joins hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the crisis around migrants passing from Belarus into Poland and thus into the E.U. Mohamed analyzes the crisis, engineered by Russian-backed strongman Alexander Lukashenko, in the context of Europe’s historical antipathy toward immigration, and reads from her Booker Prize-shortlisted novel, The Fortune Men, the fictionalized account of a Somali immigrant named Mahmood Mattan, set in Cardiff, Wales during the 1950s. She discusses how attitudes toward immigration shaped Brexit and the U.K.’s draconian new Nationality and Borders Bill, which will potentially affect the lives of around six million people, including the novelist herself. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf and Hayden Baker.Selected readings:Nadifa Mohamed
The Fortune Men
The Orchard of Lost Souls
Black Mamba Boy
Others:
Bich Minh Nguyen on the Refugee Experience of Holiday Narratives (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2, Episode 7)
This Is Who We Are: Gish Jen and Peter Ho Davies on the Long History of Anti-Asian Racism in the US (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 14)
#Families Belong Together: A Conversation with Edwidge Danticat and Cristina Henriquez (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 20)
Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments by Saidiya Hartman
The Mahabharata
Double Dynamite
Quo Vadis
The African Queen
Anger boils as UK Parliament endorses ‘obscene’ nationality bill (Al Jazeera, Dec. 10)
UK Parliament Business Legislation Parliamentary Bills Nationality and Borders Bill
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Dec 2, 2021 • 1h 14min
S5 Ep. 5: The Internet Giveth, the Internet Taketh Away: Pamela Paul and Cecilia Kang on What We’ve Lost and Gained (But Mostly Lost) in the Age of Social Media
Author and editor of the New York Times Book Review Pamela Paul and New York Times journalist Cecilia Kang join hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to consider how social media and search engines have changed everyday life. First, Paul provides a nostalgia tour of pre-internet life, and reads from her new book, 100 Things We’ve Lost to the Internet, a wake-up call to identify the elements that might be worth saving. Then Kang, who has covered Facebook for 15 years, analyzes the globally dominant company’s relentless focus on growth, and reads from her new book with co-reporter Sheera Frenkel, An Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook’s Battle for Domination. Kang also considers the impact of information shared by former Facebook employee and whistleblower Frances Haugen.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf and Hayden Baker.Selected readings:Pamela Paul
Rectangle Time
How to Raise a Reader
My Life with Bob: Flawed Heroine Keeps Book of Books
The Starter Marriage and the Future of Matrimony
Pornified
Parenting, Inc.
By the Book: Writers on Literature and the Literary Life
100 Things We’ve Lost to the Internet
Others:
Baby Einstein Videos
A Clockwork Orange
David Foster Wallace
Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon
The Good Wife
New York Times Book Review
Talk of the Town, “Spring Rain” by John Updike
Washington Post
Cecilia KangAn Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook’s Battle for DominationOthers:
“Whistle-Blower Says Facebook Chooses ‘Profits Over Safety,’” by Cecilia Kang and Ryan Mac
Buzzfeed
NPR
Times of London
McClatchy
Mark Zuckerberg
“It’s Time to Break Up Facebook” by Chris Hughes
Metaverse
Roblox
Sheera Frenkel
“Network Free K.C.: The Free Network Foundation Takes on Google in Kansas City” by Whitney Terrell
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Nov 18, 2021 • 46min
S5 Ep. 4: Live From the Miami Book Fair 2021: Joshua Ferris on the Great Recession, Writing About Capitalism, and A Calling for Charlie Barnes
In this special episode, taped live at the Miami Book Fair, novelist Joshua Ferris joins hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new novel, A Calling for Charlie Barnes, which takes an often humorous look at the catastrophe of its protagonist’s life. When Charlie Barnes is simultaneously hit with a cancer diagnosis and the Great Recession, all he wants is to live within another story. Ferris talks about the lies we tell ourselves and the fictionalized accounts of the past that plague and define families. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Joshua Ferris
A Calling for Charlie Barnes
The Dinner Party: Stories
To Rise Again at a Decent Hour
The Unnamed
Then We Came to the End
Others:
Always on Display: An Interview with Joshua Ferris
Interview with Joshua Ferris, 2008 PEN/Hemingway Award Winner
The Duke of Deception: Memories of My Father by Geoffrey Wolff
James B. Stewart, The New Yorker
Capital by John Lanchester
The Wall Street Journal
Barron’s
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
Investor’s Business Daily
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary - 2021 M09 Results
William Cohen
“The Great American Bubble Machine” by Matt Taibbi
Wallace Stevens
John Ashbery
Emily Dickinson
The Washington Post
Philip Roth
Meyerowitz Stories, written and directed by Noah Baumbach
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Nov 4, 2021 • 48min
S5 Ep. 3: Live From the Miami Book Fair 2021: Ha Jin on China, Taiwan, and A Song Everlasting
In this special episode, taped live at the Miami Book Fair, novelist Ha Jin joins hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss his new novel, A Song Everlasting, which explores the ways in which politics and art are intertwined from the point of view of a Chinese singer who makes his home in the U.S. After talking about the current tensions between China and Taiwan, Jin describes how the U.S. has had a negative influence on this conflict and depicts China as a strong but rapidly declining force. Then he speaks about how, like his main character, Tian, he believes that producing genuine art is the best way an artist can leave a lasting political influence. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Hayden Baker and Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Ha Jin
A Song Everlasting
The Banished Immortal
A Distant Center
The Boat Rocker
Alive
A Map of Betrayal
Nanjing Requiem
A Good Fall
The Writer as Migrant
A Free Life
War Trash
The Crazed
Wreckage
The Bridegroom
Waiting
In the Pond
Under the Red Flag
Facing Shadows
Ocean of Words
Between Silences
Others:
"Taiwan says tensions with China are at their worst in 4 decades" by Scott Neuman
W.H. Auden
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
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Oct 21, 2021 • 1h 7min
S5 Ep. 2: The Country Roads Ahead: Julia Elliott and DaMaris B. Hill Consider the Future of Rural Writing
Novelist Julia Elliott and poet and writer DaMaris B. Hill join hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to consider the writing and face of rural America—particularly as it might look 30 years from now. First, Elliott talks about growing up as an outsider in her own South Carolina hometown, and reads from her debut novel The New and Improved Romie Flutch. Then, Hill, who was born in West Virginia, speaks to the diversity of rural spaces and reads a historical poem, “Beloved Weirdo,” from her forthcoming poetry collection Breath Better Spent: Living Black Girlhood. Hill also speaks about judging the Maya Angelou Book Award.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Hayden Baker and Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:DaMaris B. Hill
A Bound Woman Is a Dangerous Thing: The Incarceration of African American Women from Harriet Tubman to Sandra Bland
The Fluid Boundaries of Suffrage and Jim Crow: Staking Claims in the American Heartland
Breath Better Spent
Julia Elliott
The New and Improved Romie Futch
The Wilds
Others:
Toni Morrison
Gail Jones
Octavia Butler
Crystal Wilkinson
Nikki Finney
Denise Low
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead
Gwendolyn Brooks
Frank O’Hara
Lucille Clifton
Angela Davis
“Talking to Maya Angelou’s Son About the New Award Named in Her Honor” by Anne Kniggendorf
Kontemporary Amerikan Poetry by John Murillo
Pilgrim Bell by Kaveh Akbar
Postcolonial Love Poem by Natalie Diaz
Sometimes I Never Suffered by Shane McCrae
The Wild Fox of Yemen by Threa Almontaser
Our Lies: Jenny Offill and James Plath on Conspiracy Theories in History and Literature (Season 4, Episode 8 of Fiction/Non/Fiction)
Airships by Barry Hannah
Geronimo Rex by Barry Hannah
Westworld
Paul West
“The New and Improved Romie Futch” New York Times review by Lincoln Michel
Carson McCullers
George Saunders
Winter’s Bone by Daniel Woodrell
Leonora Carrington
Meat Racket by Christopher Leonard
Hunter S. Thompson
David Cronenburg
Black Boy by Richard Wright
Langston Hughes
Alice Walker
Latino Writers Collective - Home
Frank X Walker - Affrilachian Poet, Educator, Author of Black Box, Buffalo Dance: the Journey of York, and Affrilachia
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Oct 7, 2021 • 1h 1min
S5 Ep. 1: WTF, Texas … Again?: Elizabeth Wetmore and Kathryn Nuernberger on SB8, the History of Abortion, and Roe v. Wade in Danger
Novelist Elizabeth Wetmore and essayist and poet Kathryn Nuernberger join hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss Texas’s new abortion law. As the Lone Star State’s SB8 invites anyone to sue those “abetting” an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, Roe v. Wade has never seemed more at risk. In this episode, Wetmore talks about the Southwest’s history of suppressing women’s rights to birth control and reads from her novel, Valentine, which takes place in Texas and depicts a cast of women struggling to navigate the aftermath of sexual violence and access to abortion in 1976. Then, Nuernberger reads from her essay collection, The Witch of Eye, and her poetry collection, RUE; she discusses midwives, witch trials, herbalism, torture, and how these subjects help us interpret the history of women’s reproductive rights. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video excerpts from our interviews at LitHub’s Virtual Book Channel, Fiction/Non/Fiction’s YouTube Channel, and our website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Selected readings:Elizabeth Wetmore
Valentine
"Women and Horses (1976)"
Kathryn Nuernberger
The Witch of Eye
RUE
Brief Interviews with the Romantic Past
The End of Pink
Rag & Bone
Others:
SB8
“Abortion on the border: Legislation in Texas and criminalization in Chihuahua” by Veronica Martinez (La Verdad) and Victoria Rossi (El Paso Matters)
"Abortion on the border: Activists stay resilient" by Veronica Martinez (La Verdad) and Victoria Rossi (El Paso Matters)
“What It's Like to Run a Planned Parenthood in Texas” by Olga Khazan (The Atlantic, 2016)
“Why I Violated Texas's Extreme Abortion Ban” by Alan Braid (The Washington Post)
Interventions for Women by Angela Hume
Eve's Herbs by John M. Riddle
The Book of Difficult Fruit by Kate Lebo
Regarding the Pain of Others by Susan Sontag
WTF, Texas? Lacy M. Johnson and Natalia Sylvester on Surviving the Recent Storm and Unraveling the Whitewashed Myth of Texas (Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 12)
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