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Responses to the mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas, have continued, and there's renewed hope for policy changes. This week, Jo Saxton joins Phil and Skye as a guest co-host to discuss a series of articles from African-American and global Christian leaders about the need to rethink both America's gun policies and the American church's gun culture. Then, BibleProject co-founders, Jon Collins and Tim Mackie, talk with Skye about how their work has shifted from just teaching what's in the Bible to teaching people how to read the Bible. Their new app and podcast series is designed to help us see the Bible as brilliant literature, and not just a depository of quick answers to life's problems. Also this week, should we be concerned that more people are having wedding ceremonies to marry themselves? Holy Post merchandise - https://www.holypost.com/shop Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess: Political Theology 101 - https://www.patreon.com/posts/67787080/ BibleProject Patreon Bonus - https://www.patreon.com/posts/67787175/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 4:10 - Sologamy?? 13:49 - Guns in the home 20:39 - Guns and cars 26:00 - Global perspective on America's gun culture 36:12 - Gun violence and the theology of evil 44:52 - Guns and church 54:44 - Holy Post Announcements Interview with Jon Collins and Tim MackieBibleProject: bibleproject.com BibleProject App: https://bibleproject.com/app/ BibleProject Podcast: https://bibleproject.com/podcasts/the-bible-project-podcast/ 57:09 - Jon Collins and Tim Mackie interview intro 1:00:26 - BibleProject shift toward how to read the Bible 1:06:39 - Bible literacy in America 1:19:38 - Literary beauty in the Bible Articles mentioned in news segment: "Sologamy: India woman's plan to 'marry herself' sparks debate" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61671032 "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/ "What would it mean to treat guns the way we treat cars?" (Vox) - https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23151852/gun-violence-cars-crashes-firearms-deaths-youth "This Love of Guns: It's Way Beyond Our Understanding" by Matthew Soerens (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/better-samaritan/2022/june/this-love-of-guns-its-way-beyond-our-understanding.html "What Supporters of Gun Rights Mean When They Talk About 'Evil'" by Esau McCalley (NYT Opinion) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/opinion/mass-shooting-evil.html "White Churches, It's Time to Go Pro-Life on Guns" by Charlie Dates (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/june-web-only/uvalde-school-shooting-chicago-go-pro-life-gun-violence.html

Christians who oppose more restrictive gun control policies say we have a God-given constitutional right to self-defense. But is there any evidence to back this claim? With Christian and Kaitlyn both in Europe, Phil and Skye invite Mike Erre from the Voxology podcast to fill the empty co-host chair. Mike looks at the biblical texts cited by gun advocates and says that even if self-defense can be justified, for the Christian it is not a "right." Then, Skye talks to Lina AbuJamra about her book, "Fractured Faith: Finding Your Way Back to Faith in an Age of Deconstruction." Like so many, AbuJamra entered a season of significant doubt not because of anti-Christian messages from the culture, but after experiencing a toxic leadership culture at her church. She shares what restored her faith, the danger of false expectations, and why honesty about our disillusionment is the first step. Also this week—California declares that bees are fish, and scientists accidentally create murder hamsters. What could possibly go wrong? Holy Post 10th Anniversary Merch: https://www.holypost.com/shop News Segment: 0:00 - Intro 4:18 - Bees are fish https://gizmodo.com/bees-fish-california-conservation-endangered-specie-1849009597 9:11 - Murder hamsters https://boingboing.net/2022/05/29/scientists-accidentally-made-a-vicious-mutant-attack-hamster.html 14:55 - Re: French Friday episode on gun control French Friday: Debating Gun Control - https://www.holypost.com/post/french-friday-debating-gun-control 19:39 - Constitutional right to self-defense? The Federalist Papers: No 46 - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed46.asp 27:05 - Biblical right to self-defense? 46:53 - Thoughts and prayers Sponsor 51:28 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Lina AbuJamra: "Fractured Faith: Finding Your Way Back to God in an Age of Deconstruction" - https://amzn.to/3xqCiEa Living with Power - https://www.livingwithpower.org 52:38 - Lina AbuJamra intro 54:44 - Journey that led to deconstruction 1:02:20 - False expectations 1:08:10 - American evangelical leadership crisis 1:15:23 - Honesty in disillusionment 1:24:56 - Credits Other resources mentioned: Voxology podcast - https://voxologypodcast.com The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

*Please be aware that this episode deals with sensitive topics, including suicide and child/adolescent mortality.* In the wake of the elementary school massacre in Uvalde, Texas, David French and Skye Jethani spend the whole episode debating what can be done to curb gun deaths in America. While they find some agreement around "Red Flag" laws and making gun owners liable for the misuse of their weapons, French doesn't support an assault weapons ban or requiring training and evaluation before purchasing a gun. With guns now the leading cause of death for kids and teens in America, Skye says it's time for Christians to explore all possible solutions, including amending the Constitution, similar to the pro-life movement's approach to ending abortion. David French says the 2nd Amendment must be protected as a basic human right. Both agree, however, that the status quo is not acceptable. Holy Post episode 423: "Is America's Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? with David French" - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-423-is-america-s-gun-culture-a-blessing-or-curse-with-david-french "Pass and Enforce Red Flag Laws. Now."- https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r" Guns are now the leading cause of death for American children" - https://news.yahoo.com/guns-now-leading-cause-death-190042943.html Advisory Opinions episode: "Mass Shootings and the Law" - https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/mass-shootings-and-the-law?s=r#details

The United States has experienced another horrific school shooting, and the country is once again debating guns. Will this time be any different? Phil asks why the U.S. is incapable of passing sensible gun regulations like Australia did 25 years ago, and why do so many evangelicals support America's gun culture and the 2nd Amendment with religious-like devotion? Skye then interviews Andy Crouch about his new book about the dehumanizing effects of technology. Crouch says we are drawn to tech the same way the ancients were tempted by magic. Both offer the promise of "effortless power," but it always comes with a cost. And he says we should look to early Christianity for ways to restore dignity and personhood to our culture. Plus, critical listener responses to our recent Roe v Wade episode. News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:22 - Critical listener responses Holy Post episode 508: No More Roe? & the New Scandal of the Evangelical Mind - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-508-no-more-roe-the-new-scandal-of-the-evangelical-mind-with-mark-noll 20:58 - Baby formula 22:26 - America's guns Kaitlyn's tweet: https://twitter.com/KaitlynSchiess/status/1529517008206942209" Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted" - https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback Holy Post episode 423: Is America's Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-423-is-america-s-gun-culture-a-blessing-or-curse-with-david-french Interview with Andy Crouch"The Life We're Looking For: Reclaiming Relationship in a Technological World" - https://amzn.to/3M6EbtH 51:11 - Andy Crouch intro 53:47 - Technology and magic 59:29 - Media and superpowers 1:14:39 - Early Christianity and personhood 1:26:10 - Interview wrap-up 1:28:42 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

0:00 - Intro 1:57 - Something Old - Josh's: About a Boy 5:57 - Something Old - Skye's: Patton 9:09 - Something New: Operation Mincemeat 10:32 - Josh's Proposal "I propose Operation Mincemeat is a good example of using fiction to tell a true story." 16:11 - Skye's Proposal "This is another one of those movies that proves truth is stranger than fiction and sometimes even more compelling." 23:04 - Something Borrowed - The True Story Behind Netflix's Operation Mincemeat & Movies from the Mountaintop 32:12 - Something Blew - Jason's: The Prestige TV Podcast (Barry Recaps) 34:50 - Something Blew - Josh's: Home Before Dark 39:48 - Something Blew - Skye's: The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel & George Carlin's American Dream 45:59 - Outro Follow The Movie Proposal crew on Twitter: Skye, Josh & Jason Find The Movie Proposal on Facebook

The independent report about the cover-up of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist Convention has been released, and it's far worse than anyone expected. What does it mean for the SBC and American evangelicalism in general? And Phil asks if there's a difference between engaging in godly cultural transformation and fighting a culture war. Was William Wilberforce a culture warrior? And when are we really seeking change, and when are we just virtue signaling? Then, Kaitlyn welcomes Washington Post opinion columnist and editor, Christine Emba, to discuss her new book "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation." After interviewing dozens of young adults, Emba concludes that evangelical purity culture has problems, but so does the secular message of sex positivity. Instead, she draws from Christian theology and tradition to propose an ethical framework that goes beyond consent alone. Plus, Phil refuses to be concerned about an invasion of aggressive jumping worms. News Segment: 0:00 - Intro 3:07 - Jumping worms https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/jumping-worms-have-made-their-way-to-california-17182377.php 9:36 - SBC Report 32:06 - Culture wars or transformation?Sponsor: 48:32 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Christine Emba "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation" - https://amzn.to/38gtHdj "Consent is not enough. We need a new sexual ethic."- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/17/sex-ethics-rethinking-consent-culture/ 49:41 - Christine Emba intro 52:00 - Book background 54:28 - Misdiagnosing the problem 58:30 - Purity culture versus uncritical sex positivity 1:04:14 - Interviews within book 1:13:35 - Dating app culture 1:24:28 - Willing the good of the other 1:29:12 - Credits Resources mentioned in news segment: "Southern Baptist leaders covered up sex abuse, kept secret database, report says" by Sarah Pulliam Bailey (The Washington Post) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/ "Southern Baptists Refused to Act on Abuse, Despite Secret List of Pastors" by Kate Shellnutt (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/may/southern-baptist-abuse-investigation-sbc-ec-legal-survivors.html "This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse" by Russell Moore (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/may-web-only/southern-baptist-abuse-apocalypse-russell-moore.html "The Gift of Pain" by Paul Brand and Philip Yancey - https://amzn.to/3wGWjGa The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

Despite the uproar over the leaked Supreme Court decision overturning Roe, it turns out 80 percent of Americans have a nuanced view of the issue. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss responses to last week's show and ask why are we nuanced about some moral issues and absolutist about others. Then, conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his winsome, non-partisan approach to Christianity. They say winsomeness may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so dangerous that we need a more aggressive and offensive approach. Are they right? Skye interviews Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America, about his new book "We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy." Patel, a Muslim-American, talks about the transformative role Christianity had on his calling, why interfaith cooperation is essential, and what concerns him about the current culture of activism in America. Plus, scientists discover the Mariah Carey of jellyfish. "Christian Asks" Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66555715/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro and updates Christian's documentary - https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com 3:29 - News of the Butt https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bloody-belly-comb-jelly-pooping_n_625e59f1e4b066ecde16f302 10:03 - Responses to last week's show 17:03 - Nuance versus absolutism 28:55 - Tim Keller and the war on winsomeness55:26 - Holy Post Patreon http://patreon.com/holypost Interview with Eboo Patel"We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy" - https://amzn.to/3MquyqO Interfaith America - https://www.interfaithamerica.org57:30 - Eboo Patel - intro 59:20 - Background and calling 1:14:13 - Culture of activism in America 1:26:45 - Interfaith cooperation1:31:49 - CreditsResources and articles mentioned in news segment: ProGrace: prograce.orgHoly Post Episode 254: Rethinking Our Response to Abortion with Angie Weszely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLa-rjvjAtk"America's Abortion Quandry," Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/"Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid" by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/Tim Keller Twitter thread - https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/1520107742110834699James Wood, "How I Evolved on Tim Keller" - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/how-i-evolved-on-tim-kellerSamuel D. James, "Is it Time to Move Past Tim Keller?" - https://samueldjames.substack.com/p/is-it-time-to-move-past-tim-keller?s=rDavid French, "A Critique of Tim Keller Reveals the Moral Devolution of the New Christian Right" https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-critique-of-tim-keller-reveals?s=rRod Dreher, "Tim Keller & Myxomatosis Christians" - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tim-keller-david-french-myxomatosis-christians/ The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

The leak of a draft ruling by the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade has the entire country talking. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the overreactions from both the Left and Right, speculate about what a post-Roe America might look like, examine the complicated history of abortion including why many evangelicals originally supported Roe but then dramatically flipped on the issue, and share their hopes for what comes next. Then, acclaimed historian Mark Noll talks about the 30th anniversary of his influential book, "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind." In the early 1990s, Noll celebrated the strength of the evangelical church, but he warned about a dangerous shortage of evangelical scholars. Today, he fears the opposite. While evangelical scholarship has never been stronger, Noll is deeply concerned about an anti-intellectual church taken with conspiracy theories and partisan politics. Patreon Bonus segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66264481/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:31 - Supreme Court leak - initial reactions 8:49 - Changing views on abortion within evangelical Christianity 19:29 - Overreactions on both sides 33:48 - Upsides 42:55 - Downsides 47:32 - "The Southernization of the Pro-Life Movement" Resources mentioned: Advisory Opinions podcast - "Making Sense of the Supreme Court Leak" Part 1: https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/making-sense-of-the-supreme-court?s=r Part 2: https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/making-sense-of-the-supreme-court-8db?s=r "If Roe is Overturned, Where Should the Pro-Life Movement Go Next?" by Tish Harrison Warren - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/08/opinion/abortion-roe-dobbs-pro-life.html "Apocalypse Now: How the Left and Right Get Danger Wrong" by Michael Wear - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/april-web-only/political-apocalypse-christianity-right-left-evangelicals.html "This Really Is a Different Pro-Life Movement" by Daniel K. Williams - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/south-abortion-pro-life-protestants-catholics/629779/ Sponsor 57:22 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Mark Noll "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind" - https://www.eerdmans.com/Products/8204/the-scandal-of-the-evangelical-mind.aspx 58:32 - Mark Noll intro 59:33 - Updated version - why now? 1:02:19 - Christian higher education "We the Fallen People" by Robert Tracy McKenzie - https://amzn.to/3M7oHGO 1:08:50 - Fundamentalism and fear 1:15:33 - Evolution and CRT 1:26:08 - Christian curiosity 1:30:19 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

In the 1980s, Frank Peretti's best-selling novels about the spiritual war between angels and demons captivated evangelicals, but they also fostered a belief that anything out of step with conservative white Christianity was downright satanic. The podcast crew discuss their own experiences with Peretti's books and how they've shaped today's culture war—including a congresswoman's recent statement that Catholics helping immigrants is proof the church is run by Satan. Then, Beth Allison Barr is back one year after the release of her provocative book "The Making of Biblical Womanhood," to discuss what she's learned from her critics as well as from her fans. And she offers pastoral advice for those struggling in patriarchal Christian communities. Plus, a family finds a tasty time capsule in their bathroom wall, and the underappreciated charms of Dubuque, Iowa. Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/65967806/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:24 - Dubuque travelogues 8:10 - Tasty time capsule https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-family-finds-bag-preserved-mcdonalds-food-half-century-ago-ho-rcna26252 16:49 - Fantasy novels and satanic conspiracies https://religionnews.com/2022/04/28/marjorie-taylor-greene-feuds-with-conservatives-catholics-over-satan-remarks-border-bishops-satan/https://www.vox.com/culture/23033782/frank-peretti-this-present-darkness-piercing-the-darkness-cultural-influence-moral-panic 46:56 - Patreon bonus plug https://www.patreon.com/posts/65967806/ Interview with Beth Allison Barr "The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth" book - https://amzn.to/3KNm8s0Postscript to book - http://cdn.bakerpublishinggroup.com/processed/book-resources/files/The_Making_of_Biblical_Womanhood_-_Postscript_Chapter.pdf?1650389860 47:53 - Intro 48:31 - Journey with book 55:39 - History and theology 58:58 - Untangling cultural elements in scripture 1:03:29 - Hindsight and reflection on critiques 1:12:46 - Role of social media 1:15:59 - Three FAQs https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2022/03/ideas-about-women-matter-a-resource-list-for-women-in-church-history/ 1:22:17 - Hope? 1:25:09 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments in a case about a public high school football coach who prays on the field. Is he violating the First Amendment because he's a state-funded employee engaging in religious activity on the job? Or, is his religious expression protected by the First Amendment? David French explains the court's history on public school teachers and free speech, why he thinks the coach is likely to win, and why religious liberty protections have never been stronger. Then, French talks about his first encounter with Critical Race Theory as a law student at Harvard 30 years ago. Skye asks, if CRT has been around for so long, why is it only now being seen as a threat to both America and Christianity? French explains how the definition of CRT has changed, how it's been leveraged by media voices on the political right since 2020, and why the issue of race may be leading to a new schism in the American church. 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Football Prayer "Why We Fight About Football Prayers" - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/april-web-only/scouts-football-prayers-kennedy-bremerton-first-amendment.html 31:07 - CRT hysteria "How the Fight Over Critical Race Theory Became a Religious War" - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/how-the-fight-over-critical-race?s=r "Racial Compromise and Complicity at Grove City College" - https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/racial-compromise-and-complicity?r=dfab0&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web 1:04:05 - Credits