
Music for Education & Wellbeing
Listen in each month or two to get ideas, inspiration and practical advice from people involved in music education, community music, music therapy and more. Learn how you can break down barriers to music, through communications, advocacy and inclusive practice. These conversations are hosted by Anita Holford at Music Education Works and Writing Services. www.writing-services.co.uk | www.musiceducationworks.org.uk
Latest episodes

Jun 26, 2025 • 10min
Episode 47: [47] One way to solve the arts framing problem?
In this second mini podcast, I want to quickly touch on framing again, but this time, thinking about long-term, systemic solutions. But perhaps not in the way you might imagine. Because at a time when support for the arts from politicians in the UK doesn’t seem to be improving, I think we have a massive opportunity. It’s an opportunity to make a systemic shift our arts CPD and support system, a shift in focus that will enable us to · Change perceptions about the work we do, and why it matters. · To make sure the arts, music and culture are properly valued and embedded in public policy as a means to improve our society and our lives. EDIT: With apologies for the error: audience development in the arts is 35 years old, not 25 years. It still seems like yesterday to me!

May 16, 2025 • 18min
Episode 46: [46] Do the arts, culture and music have a framing problem? With Anita Holford
In this short episode, I’m talking with … myself! In a change to the usual format, I’m sharing some thoughts on how we talk about why arts, culture and music matter. I touch on framing, messaging and decision science, and I mention organisations and individuals that can help, and are worth following.

Mar 7, 2025 • 44min
Episode 45: [45] Evaluating and communicating impact: the key to resilience - with Adam Joolia, CEO, AudioActive
How did a youth music charity go from moments of almost giving up, to being core funded by Arts Council England, and respected by commissioners/funders in public health and youth justice? Listen in on my chat about resilience with Adam Joolia, CEO of AudioActive, the brilliant Sussex charity that uses music as a tool for social change, education, and personal development with young people.

Jan 8, 2025 • 39min
Episode 44: PODCAST [44] A rich music education ecology – with Dr Ally Daubney, researcher & John Bergin, Newham Music
In this episode, I talk with Dr Ally Daubney, educator, researcher, evaluator and author and John Bergin, CEO of Newham Music, one of the partners in the East London Music Alliance music education hub. Following 5 years of research into participation, professional development, progression and sustainability in music education, they’ve developed a model for what they term a ‘rich music education ecology’.

Nov 25, 2024 • 34min
Episode 43: PODCAST [43] Music education research, social justice and public engagement – with Erin Johnson-Williams and Caz Creagh
In this episode, I talk with Erin Johnson-Williams and Caz Creagh from the Arts & Humanities Research Council - Hub for Public Engagement with Music Research. The hub is part of the Centre for Music Education and Social Justice at Southampton University. It aims to connect music education research to real-world settings, and to fund research that informs government policy to have a lasting impact on people and music across the UK.

Sep 25, 2024 • 38min
Episode 42: PODCAST [42] Drumming research with young people and world-famous rock musicians - Professor Marcus Smith, Clem Burke Drumming Project
In this episode, I talk with Professor Marcus Smith, who is co-founder of the Clem Burke Drumming project, based at Chichester University which is researching the physical, mental and health benefits of drumming. Marcus co-founded the project with Dr Clem Burke, who is the drummer with Blondie; and Professor Steve Draper of Hartpury University. We discuss the research, including the impact of drumming for young people with additional needs including those who are autistic.

Aug 22, 2024 • 39min
Episode 41: PODCAST [41] Running a community music organisation - with Nikki-Kate Heyes MBE, founder, soundLINCS
In this episode, I talk withNikki-Kate Heyes MBE, who was the founder, and until recently, CEO of soundLINCS, a community music organisation that’s been working with people from all walks of life through music, for 26 years. We talk about the development of the organisation, the health and direction of the community music sector, and Nikki-Kate gives her three tips for survival and resilience.

Jul 1, 2024 • 32min
Episode 40: [40] Evidencing music education’s impact using local authority & music service data - with James Dickinson, Head of Hull Music Service and hub lead
In this episode, I talk with James Dickinson, head of Hull Music Service, which is part of the local authority and also lead for the new music education hub covering Hull, East Riding, north and northeast Lincolnshire. We discuss how the music service is partnering with the local authority to use data to explore the impact of music on attainment. We also discuss how the service is using an annual impact report to engage partners, supporters and staff with the bigger picture around their value and impact.

Jun 6, 2024 • 33min
Episode 39: PODCAST [39] Music, positive youth development, and academic partnerships, with Professor Beatriz Ilari, University of Southern California
In this episode, I talk with Beatriz Ilari, a Professor at the Center for Music, Brain and Society at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. We discuss a 10-year study looking at the impact of music and sports programmes for young people; and a short study using an evaluation method and approach to teaching called Positive Youth Development. We also discuss how academic researchers and music educators might connect to work in partnership.

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May 8, 2024 • 20min
Episode 38: PODCAST [38] A new music and leadership course driven by young people’s musical passions, with James McPherson
James McPherson, Managing Director of Music Leaders UK, discusses a new music course and award for secondary school students. The award focuses on students' musical passions, leadership skills, and aims to address the decline in music education. The course targets diverse backgrounds, offers practical experience, and reflects on favorite music genres. Music Education Hubs show positive response and offer support for the new course.