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Welcome back to Therapy Chat! In today’s episode, as a follow up to Episode 55 about falling in love in a barn, host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews Charlotte Hiler Easley, LCSW. Charlotte is a psychotherapist in private practice who specializes in working with survivors of trauma using equine-assisted psychotherapy (EAP). Charlotte discusses her work using Equine Assisted Survivors of Trauma Therapy, a method she developed in collaboration with a rape crisis center when she was in grad school. Charlotte talks about how horses are able to read our body language and react to our emotional experience. She explains what equine assisted psychotherapy is – hint: you don’t have to touch a saddle. She describes how survivors of trauma working with horses are able to learn and practice new ways of being in relationship; setting boundaries; making a mind-body connection; feeling what safety feels like – because the work is all experiential. Finally, Charlotte shares about her work helping therapists create practices using equine assisted psychotherapy, and describes an upcoming retreat she is offering for trauma therapists. This episode is a must for therapists and anyone who has experienced trauma. Charlotte shares so much knowledge! Thanks for listening to Therapy Chat. Please get in touch and let host Laura Reagan know what you thought of this episode! Resources mentioned in this episode: EAGALA: http://www.eagala.org/about PATH: http://www.pathintl.org/ Charlotte’s website: https://charlotteeasley.com/ Charlotte’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/charlottehilereasleyLCSW/?fref=ts Central Kentucky Riding for Hope’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/CKyRH/ Visit Therapy Chat website at Http://therapychatpodcast.com and send host Laura Reagan a voice message letting her know what you think of Therapy Chat! Did you like this episode? Did you dislike it? Let her know! Thank you for listening!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

I found my heart and soul connection in a barn.I had a new experience which was a game-changer for me. I've been saying for at least 10 years that I want to take horseback riding lessons. I talked about it on an episode of Therapy Chat earlier this year, vowing that I would make it happen. I've ridden a horse maybe 5 times in my whole life, all between the ages of 10-13 years old. For a time I was obsessed with them, as many children are. I grew up in the city but close enough to rural areas that there was one horse farm many of us knew to visit. Recently as I've learned more about equine-assisted therapy and the benefits of spending times with horses, I've become determined to increase the amount of time I spend with horses. I'm now 44 years old and my body has changed quite a bit since I was 13. I think it's safe to say that my heart hasn't changed much, if at all, though, as I learned through this experience. Before I tell you what happened, let me give you some information from Equine Assisted Growth And Learning Association, also known as EAGALA. From their website, www.eagala.org: How Does Equine-Assisted Learning and Growth Work?Horses are bigger and stronger than us. They are powerful creatures, and being around them can feel intimidating, which creates an opportunity to get up close and personal with our fears.Like humans, horses are social creatures who live in herds. They have a social hierarchy in terms of how they relate to one another in the herd. Working on how we relate to horses is a way to work on how we relate to other humans and ourselves.Because horses are prey animals, they rely on non-verbal cues to stay alive. Their lives depend on accurately reading these cues. Humans are predators. Yet for some reason horses are willing to interact with us anyway, if we let them know we are safe.Horses know when what we are saying and doing don't match what we are feeling and sensing, even though we might not know. They reflect back to us what we are feeling and sensing, or the incongruence between our feelings, sensations, words and actions, even (especially) when it's outside of our conscious awareness.The Shadow...Again?Horses can bring our Shadow to our awareness. Yes, the Shadow again. As a wise person told me, once the Shadow is out in the light you can't ignore it anymore. I am finding this to be true again and again.If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out these episodes of Therapy Chat podcast: Episode 53; Episode 38 with Renee Beck, LMFT; Episode 40 with Lourdes Viado, MFT, PhD; Episode 42 with Keri Nola.So this is what happened. I went to a workshop on learning with horses. I gathered in a barn with a group of two other women, the instructor and the horse trainer. I really didn't know what to expect, because I haven't done anything like this before, although I have heard about it from fellow therapists. The whole experience was on the ground, not on the horses. We were introduced to two horses, a darker colored one and a lighter colored one. I felt super vulnerable and nervous. I wanted to know what to do and not to do, and how, and what was going to happen. I told myself to sit with the discomfort, knowing that this is where growth happens. Part of me wanted to relax, be in the moment, let go and see what happened. Part of me wanted to know, to check whether or not I was doing it right, if I was okay, to understand, to know why. These parts of myself battled for that entire two hour period. When we walked up to each horse I had lots of thoughts. I wondered how to touch the horse, if it was okay to touch him, and whether he would hurt me. I was acutely aware of how large and heavy he was, and that he could kick me, bite me or step on me if he felt like it. Then, I went a little deeper into my emotions. I suspected that he didn't like me. I felt self-conscious about being uncomfortable and worried who could tell. I was pretty sure he could tell, though he didn't say anything. I felt his soft, velvety coat and tangled mane. I noticed that he was beautiful and he looked like he had been through some things. I decided maybe he wasn't judging me as harshly as I was judging myself. This all happened in a span of maybe 2 minutes. Feeling a little softer toward myself, I approached the other horse.One of the other women was standing with the horse, and I felt protective toward her time with him. I held my hand out to him, wondering if he was okay with me petting his nose. He gently nuzzled my hand. I didn't know if this was what they always do, or if he liked my touch. I awkwardly stood there for a few seconds, continuing to let him smell my hand and nuzzle it.Then something surprising happened. He tilted his head toward me and sort of snuggled up to my neck. I don't even know what to call it. Immediately, tears sprang to my eyes. I felt seen and understood, probably better understood by the horse than I was understanding myself, at least in that moment. I had the strange experience of a felt sense - when you just know something that is coming from within. Your inner wisdom, your soul, your wisest self, whatever you want to call it, it tells you something from within yourself. It's more than just a thought. The felt sense told me "he knows I'm sad." One of the reasons it was weird is because I hadn't known I was sad until that moment. I felt apologetic toward the other woman standing there, because the horse was giving me more attention, and because I was fighting back tears, which is pretty uncomfortable any time, but especially in front of a stranger. At the same time, I was incredibly grateful to the horse. As Brené Brown says, "Vulnerability is courage."All of that happened in the first 30 minutes of this experience. After that we alternated between activities with the horses and seated in chairs. But more strange things happened. During the time we were seated in our chairs as a group, the horses were free to roam this indoor space. We were talking and I was continuing my struggle between the parts of myself that wanted to avoid the discomfort of this new experience and the parts that were trying to be open and let it unfold. I'll point out that while this experience was new, that struggle is not. In fact, it is quite familiar, if I'm honest.I practice mindfulness by checking in with myself many times throughout a given day. I notice what I am thinking, what I am feeling, what my body is holding. I frequently ask myself what I need, or what my body wants me to know. There is always an answer, if I listen. What I often notice is this struggle to know, to have the answers. It is something that pops up when I am in situations where I feel unsure. It is an attempt to avoid discomfort. I don't do it consciously, it is a defense that I'm sure developed quite early. I know I was always praised for being smart. This quality is one that I never doubted I had, and I received much attention, love and acceptance around being smart when I was a child. I felt very uncomfortable quite a lot of the time during childhood, so this defense (it's called intellectualization) served me very well back then and it has helped me many times since. But it does get in the way. I'm grateful for my intelligence, yet I need to ask the part of myself that wants to know to step aside quite frequently so I can stay in the moment. It's okay to be curious, as long it doesn't take me away from the current moment. The Most Powerful MomentSo now I'll get back to the most powerful part of the experience in the barn. After the horse snuggled up against me, while we were sitting in the chairs as a group, the horses moved around the barn. Slowly they moved toward us. Eventually, both horses came to stand behind me. While we talked, one by one they slowly crept forward until both horses were standing with their heads over me. I wish I had a picture, because to the others in the group I must have looked funny with one horse's head coming over one shoulder and the other horses's head coming over my other shoulder. They kind of crossed their heads in front of me.It was so strange, with a result that I couldn't see the other group participants. The group leader noted that the horses could have stood anywhere they wanted, and for some reason they chose to stand over me that way. They remained that way until we stood to do another activity, and then when we returned to sitting, they did it again, just as gradually as the first time. I can't really say what happened, other than the horses knew I needed something. But that can't be all because I'm sure the other group members were having their own emotional experiences in their seats. Yet the horses gravitated to me.I think the leader was suggesting that they knew I needed either comfort, protection or something. She didn't come right out and say it (I think she wanted me to figure it out myself). All I know is I was in love with these horses. I felt like they got me. I felt like we had a connection. I am laughing as I write these words, but I really mean it, and I still feel that way, even though more than 24 hours have passed. In fact, I've had more experiences of self discovery (what I like to call shifts) since doing that. I am eager to do more work with horses and see what happens. It was truly a magical experience.Why Am I Sharing This? You might be wondering why I'm sharing this. There are a few reasons. First, I want to document this magical experience for myself. Also, I want people to know that spending time with horses can be incredibly powerful, almost unbelievably so. Some things you just have to experience for yourself, and I hope this article will encourage some of you who are reading to try Equine Assisted Learning and Growth. Lastly, I'm sharing this because it's important as a therapist that I live the way I encourage my clients to do. I've been on a journey of personal growth - intentionally only for the past two years, but probably for my whole life.  I believe we never stop growing and learning (unless we refuse to try), and that we must continue pushing ourselves outside of our comfort zones, because that is where growth happens.I can't take my clients anywhere that I haven't been. The more I allow myself to be vulnerable and expose myself to new experiences allowing me a deeper connection with myself, the more capable I become of walking alongside my clients as they are on that journey. I have seen this to be true, and I know as my connection with myself deepens my skill as a therapist will deepen as well. Next week I'm taking time to venture deeply inward as I spend time with an intuitive coach in California to reflect on the direction of my business in the year ahead and do more Shadow work (gulp!). This will also be a reunion with some beautiful souls who live across the country and I am so honored that I will be spending time with them there. More is ahead, as I head to the beautiful Hudson Valley of New York in November for a retreat with horses and fellow therapists and other healers. I can't freakin' wait. Honestly, I have been bitten by the horse bug now and I can't wait for my next opportunity to spend time among these amazing creatures. And yes, I am still planning to take horseback riding lessons. It will happen! I'm currently exploring various locations to learn with horses in a different way. That will be a new arena (literally!) for me. I know what Brené Brown means when she talks about Daring Greatly. If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out her book by that name.So that is the story of how I found my heart and soul connection, with two horses and with myself in a barn. I hope it somehow inspired you to get more connected with yourself. Let me know in the comments!If you're interested in walking together on your journey of personal growth, and you live near Baltimore, Maryland, get in touch with me. You can also follow my musings on social media. You'll find me on Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram andFacebook. And don't forget my podcast, Therapy Chat. Wholeheartedly,Laura Reagan, LCSW-CIn Mind Body Spirit, Anxiety, Depression, Trauma, Holistic Health, Wellness Tags equine assisted therapy, magic,Mindfulness, mind body connection, Mind Body Spirit, parts work, Psychotherapy, counseling, walking my talk, felt sense,inner wisdom, soul connection, self compassion, relationships, trust, connectionAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Welcome to Therapy Chat! In today’s episode host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C discusses the AMC drama “Mad Men.” If you are a fan of the show, you’ll want to listen and if you haven’t watched it before, maybe you will be intrigued to check it out. Just a warning, though, this episode contains some spoilers so if you don’t want to know some of the important plot points, maybe you should watch the show first and come back to this episode later. Laura is a trauma therapist, and she talks about how the main character of Mad Men, Don Draper, exhibits characteristics common in survivors of childhood abuse trauma. Actor Jon Hamm and show creator Matthew Weiner masterfully characterize a man who is tormented by his inner demons. Laura describes how the traumatic experiences of Don Draper’s childhood could have led to him becoming the adult we meet in the first episode of the series, and what someone who has these symptoms now can do to get help. Laura explains some of the symptoms commonly experienced by survivors of childhood abuse and neglect and lists some of the therapeutic techniques which can be effective in healing childhood trauma. Laura also references past episode of Therapy Chat with more information on the subjects of childhood abuse and the long term emotional and physical effects of childhood trauma.  Resources mentioned in this episode: Therapy Chat Episode 19 on the Epidemic of Childhood Trauma Therapy Chat Episode 30 on Childhood Sexual Abuse Therapy Chat Episode 26 on Using the Body to Heal Trauma with Lisa Ferentz, LCSW-C, DAPA Find out more about Sensorimotor Psychotherapy and Find a Practitioner Find out more about EMDR and Find a Practitioner  We want to hear from you! Go to Therapy Chat Podcast website and share what you like or don’t like about the podcast. www.therapychatpodcast.com - click on the green button and let host Laura Reagan know if it’s okay to share your feedback on the podcast! You may be included in a future episode! Thanks for listening to Therapy Chat! Please be sure to go to iTunes and leave a rating and review, subscribe and download episodes!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Laura Reagan, the host of Therapy Chat, discusses secrecy, shame, and the shadow with guests Renee Beck, Lourdes Viado, and Keri Nola. They explore topics like self-acceptance, the impact of shame on addiction, and the importance of embracing all parts of ourselves.

Welcome back to Therapy Chat! Today’s topic is a serious one, and something that needs to be talked about, although most of us would rather not think about it. September is Suicide Prevention & Awareness Month, and host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C recorded this special episode to honor a friend’s brother who died by suicide almost 3 years ago. Today Laura interviews someone who has worked for years in the field of suicide prevention. Jonathan B. Singer, PhD is podcaster, a social work professor at Loyola University in Chicago and one of the co-authors of the book “Suicide in Schools: A Practitioner’s Guide to Multi-Level Prevention, Assessment, Intervention and Postvention.” This book is a guide for schools and communities, as well as families, to understand what we can all do to make a difference in the problem of suicide which plagues the United States. Jonathan shares some shocking statistics about the problem of suicide – how often it happens and who is most at risk. He describes specific things schools and communities can do to prevent suicide and to support a person who is feeling suicidal. He also talks about how schools can develop crisis plans to put into action when a school community member dies by suicide. Our community has been affected by suicide far too often. One person dying by suicide is too many, but the numbers are much higher than that. This episode may inspire you to take action to make a difference in your community to reduce suicide. And host Laura Reagan invites you to make a donation in honor of Nick Moothart by visiting the Team Nick fundraising page for the Annapolis Out of the Darkness Walk, hosted by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP).  Click here to make a donation to Team Nick Click here to make a donation to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention Listen to the Social Work Podcast here Learn more and order Suicide in Schools: A Practitioner’s Guide here – during September, 2016 it is on sale at the Routledge publishing website Learn more about Jonathan B. Singer, PhD here Visit Therapy Chat website at Http://therapychatpodcast.com and send host Laura Reagan a voice message letting her know what you think of Therapy Chat! Did you like this episode? Did you dislike it? Let her know! Thank you for listening!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

 Welcome to Therapy Chat! Today’s episode, the 9th and final episode in the Practice Building Series, is about using what makes you unique to create a successful business. Host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews amazing business strategist Tara Gentile, host of Profit.Power.Pursuit podcast, highly sought out speaker, creator of Quiet Power Strategy™ and the author of Quiet Power Strategy, The Art of Earning, The Observation Engine and The Art of Growth. Tara talks about exactly how you can tap into your Quiet Power and use it to highlight who you are and what makes clients want to work with you. She explains that it’s not just about being yourself. She explains how she uses systems to help people find her. She defines the three pillars of a business used in Quiet Power Strategy and why market research is important. Tara explains how you can use a “virtual focus group” to develop your business strategy. She speaks about what causes entrepreneur burnout and offers one key to avoiding it. She lists tangible ways you can change what you’re doing to avoid entrepreneur burnout. She teaches us about the importance of being intentional in your work in marketing your business, and what business strategy really is, in words we can easily understand. She leaves us with one question to ask that helps us identify our business strategy.  Resources mentioned in this episode: Book: The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding by Al Ries & Laura Ries on Amazon: (non affiliate link): https://www.amazon.com/22-Immutable-Laws-Branding/dp/0060007737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474393744&sr=8-1&keywords=22+immutable+laws+of+branding Toggl time tracking tool: https://toggl.com/ Tara’s podcast: Profit.Power.Pursuit. Tara’s Quiet Power Strategy website: http://quietpowerstrategy.com Tara’s QPS – the Lab: http://Lab.quietpowerstrategy.com Tara’s books: http://taragentile.com/books/  We want to hear from you! Go to Therapy Chat Podcast website and share what you like or don’t like about the podcast. www.therapychatpodcast.com - click on the green button and let host Laura Reagan know if it’s okay to share your feedback on the podcast! You may be included in a future episode! Thanks for listening to Therapy Chat! Please be sure to go to iTunes and leave a rating and review, subscribe and download episodes!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

 Welcome to Episode 50 of Therapy Chat! Today’s episode is extra special because it’s the 50th episode of Therapy Chat! Host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C decided to try something different. She asked her fellow therapists to record a favorite self care tip, and they jumped at the chance to share what they recommend, and what they use personally. Listeners will hear a variety of therapists sharing their favorite self care tips. Check in with Therapy Chat and let Laura know: what’s your favorite tip? What did you take away from this episode that you can use? Resources mentioned in this episode: Laura’s blog post on self care apps recommended by therapists: Read here Previous episodes of Therapy Chat about self care: Episode 22 with Ashley Davis Bush, author of Simple Self Care for Therapists: Episode 22 Episode 24 on Vicarious Trauma/Secondary Traumatic Stress & Self Care: Episode 24 Episode 44 with Laura van Dernoot Lipsky, author of Trauma Stewardship: Episode 44 Poem quoted in this episode: “and i said to my body. softly. ‘i want to be your friend.’ it took a long breath. and replied ‘i have been waiting my whole life for this.’ Copyright Nayyirah Waheed. Check out her powerful poetry collections “salt” and “nejma” and her website: www.nayyirahwaheed.com Go to Therapy Chat Podcast website and share what you like or don’t like about the podcast. www.therapychatpodcast.com Thanks for listening to Therapy Chat! Therapists Contributing to This Episode: Daniela Paolone LMFTWestlake Village Counseling in Westlake Village Californiahttp://westlakevillage-counseling.comSarah Leitschuh, MA, LMFTSarah Leitschuh Counseling, PLLC Eagan, MN www.sarahleitschuhcounseling.com Jessica Scales, LMFTNext Level Therapy, NW in Federal Way, WAwww.nextleveltherapynw.comSusan Faurot, LMFT, Certified Life CoachOnline onlywww.consciouspathinc.comRachel Goodman, MFTRachel Goodman, MFT Psychotherapy for Helpers, Berkeley, Californiarachelgoodmanmft.comRebecca Wong LCSW-RConnectfulness Counseling, New Paltz NYConnectfulness.comNicole Burgess LMFTBurgess Counseling and Consulting LLC; Indianapolis, INwww.NicoleCBurgess.comStacey Steinmiller, LCSWAuthentic Self Counseling Rochester, NY 14610www.ascounseling.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

 Welcome to Episode 49 of Therapy Chat! Today’s episode is #8 in the therapist practice building series. Host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews the amazing Melvin Varghese, PhD, who is a psychologist and host of Selling the Couch podcast. Melvin, whose podcast is one of the top 100 business podcasts according to the iTunes rankings, discusses how podcasting can help therapists grown their practices and help them scale their businesses away from simply trading time for money. Melvin shares statistics about how podcasting is growing, and gives concrete examples of the skills most therapists already have that make us naturals at podcasting. He describes specific ways that podcasting can be used to grow a therapist’s business. He shares some of his free resources and invites listeners to check out his Healthcasters course for health, wellness and fitness podcasters, whether their podcasts have already begun or they are just in the ideas phase. He shares the changes podcasting has made to his business and his income.Resources Melvin mentioned in this episode:Jackie Flynn’s Parenting In the Rain podcast: http://jackieflynnconsulting.com/home/parenting-in-the-rain/Robert Cox’s Mindful Recovery podcast: http://liferecoveryconsulting.com/podcast/Check out Melvin’s podcast, Selling the Couch: http://sellingthecouch.com/podcast/Melvin’s free podcasting tutorial: http://sellingthecouch.com/podcastingtutorial - check out the discount on Healthcasters found in this tutorial!Get the info on Melvin’s podcasting course/community, Healthcasters: http://sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters/Canva: http://canva.comAs always, you can find Therapy Chat at http://therapychatpodcast.comPlease remember to visit iTunes to leave a rating and review, download episodes and subscribe to receive all the latest episodes as soon as they are released!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Welcome to Episode 48 of Therapy Chat! Today’s guest is Eric Greene, also known as “1 Awesome Dad”! Host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C and Eric discuss the random way they reconnected after growing up in the same community, even though neither of them lives there now. Eric talks about what he calls “peaceful parenting.” Eric explains the key to peaceful parenting, which is by definition non-violent – no hitting, spanking, smacking or popping, is to remain calm and connected with the child. Laura and Eric talk about some of the situations which can be challenging for parents and how to implement peaceful parenting when these issues come up. Eric describes how empathizing with your child and teaching them to express emotions can allow connection instead of disconnection when a child exhibits behavior that isn’t appropriate. Eric shares a painful experience which led him to commit to peaceful parenting when his son was born. He shares resources he recommends and how you can work with him for consultation. Enjoy! Resources Eric mentioned in this episode: Join Eric’s 1 Awesome Dad Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/1AwesomeDad/ Eric’s Peaceful Parenting Community is here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PeacefulParentingCommunity/ Eric’s website: http://1AwesomeDad.com Dr. Laura Markham’s book Peaceful Parents, Happy Kids on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Peaceful-Parent-Happy-Kids-Connecting/dp/0399160280 (this book is also available on Audible) Dr. Shefali Tsabary’s books:The Conscious Parent on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Parent-Transforming-Ourselves-Empowering/dp/1897238452/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1472775848&sr=1-3&keywords=shefali+tsabaryThe Awakened Family on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Awakened-Family-Revolution-Parenting/dp/0399563962/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BGNE9TZ0A76PPME9M064 (both books also available on Audible)  Alfie Kohn’s book Unconditional Parenting on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Unconditional-Parenting-Moving-Rewards-Punishments/dp/0743487486/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1472776168&sr=1-1&keywords=unconditional+parenting (this book is also available on Audible) Therapy Chat website: http://therapychatpodcast.com This episode is sponsored by Audible. Get a free download and help out Therapy Chat when you start a 30 day trial of Audible using this link: http://www.audibletrial.com/TherapyChat You can find all the books recommended by today’s guest on Audible.     Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

In Episode 47 Therapy Chat host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews clinical social worker and practice building coach Allison Puryear. Allison shares her journey from agency work to building a thriving private practices in the saturated market of Seattle, then starting over and building a practice in the saturated market of Asheville, NC. Allison describes the abundance mindset and how it differs from a scarcity mindset. She explains why this matters in practice building and why it’s okay to make a living as a therapist. If you want to work with Allison, check out her website or join her and two other practice coaches for “Brew Your Practice” in Asheville, NC in September 2016! Enjoy this interview with the very funny Allison Puryear! As always, please visit iTunes to leave a rating and review and subscribe to Therapy Chat so you will receive the latest episodes as soon as they’re released! Find Abundance Practice Building at: http://abundancepracticebuilding.com Get the details for Brew Your Practice and sign up here: http://privatepracticecounselors.com/brew Get a free one month trial of Audible.com and receive a free book while supporting Therapy Chat by clicking here: http://audibletrial.com/TherapyChat Learn more about Laura Reagan’s Trauma Therapist Community: http://laurareaganlcswc.com/join/ Therapy Chat website: http://therapychatpodcast.com Visit iTunes to leave a rating and review of Therapy Chat: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/therapy-chat-psychotherapy/id1031099411?mt=2Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands