
Azure & DevOps Podcast
The Azure & DevOps Podcast is a show for developers and devops professionals shipping software using Microsoft technologies. Each show brings you hard-hitting interviews with industry experts innovating better methods and sharing success stories. Listen in to learn how to increase quality, ship quickly, and operate well. Hosted by Jeffrey Palermo and sponsored by Clear Measure, Inc.
Latest episodes

Jun 24, 2024 • 52min
Étienne Tremblay: Setting up for DevOps properly - Episode 303
As the president of Tegaaa Solutions, a DevOps consulting firm, Étienne helps clients achieve optimal performance and efficiency in their software development processes. With over 30 years of IT experience and 20 years of Microsoft specialization, he has the skills and knowledge to provide tailored solutions for any DevOps challenge. He is passionate about sharing his expertise and best practices with the IT community as a Microsoft MVP for TFS and Azure DevOps since 2006, and a regular speaker at local technical conferences and user groups since 2005. He also offers mentoring and training for organizations using Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server and designs enterprise and application architectures for projects of all sizes. His mission is to empower developers and organizations to leverage the power of DevOps and Azure to deliver high-quality software faster and better. Topics of Discussion: [3:30] Étienne’s career progression from mechanical engineering to software development. [6:14] Yes, Étienne was TFS before it was cool. [7:14] Étienne’s interesting specialization in aerodynamics. [11:18] Not making things too complicated. [12:49] Étienne’s interest in the building process. [14:07] Building the blueprint. [17:08] GitHub vs. Azure DevOps for enterprise use. [19:49] Microsoft's struggle with GitHub's repo-centric approach in the enterprise. [24:17] The key differences in how work is tracked. [28:10 What is Entra ID? [34:08] Agility is becoming a religion, where it needs to be more of a spirit. [38:04] Kanban system for managing work in progress. [46:24] Implementing Azure DevOps for beginners, with tips and resources. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Etienne LinkedIn Get Started with Azure DevOps Tegaaa Solutions Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Jun 17, 2024 • 48min
Martin Hinshelwood: Migration Azure DevOps Server to the Cloud - Episode 302
Martin is a passionate agile leader with a track record of inspiring, encouraging, and igniting momentum. Featured speaker, author, and industry thought leader, Martin has a strong track record of helping organizations build a vision and execute evolutionary and revolutionary change. His deep technical knowledge, business insight, and experience drive impactful change for organizations. Technologist turned agilist, Martin successfully helps organizations decentralize, democratize, and evolve their way of work to build extraordinary processes and drive organizational change through culture, technology, and teamwork. He’s been recognized by Microsoft as a Microsoft MVP, and he is the maintainer of the open-source Azure DevOps Migration Tools. Topics of Discussion: [2:59] Martin’s career journey. [4:51] What Martin has learned as an MVP for 15 years. [5:59] If you’re not good at something, do it more. [6:52] Azure DevOps Migration tools. [10:11] Martin adopted platform engineering to streamline processes and reduce costs. [14:31] What you should know before using Martin’s tools. [21:55] It’s not either/or between Microsoft migration tools and Azure DevOps migration tools. [27:00] What made TFS unique. [20:03] TFGit. [30:02] The process used in your source and target, and what challenges might people expect? [31:44] Limitations of migrating data from old TFS to new Azure DevOps using Microsoft tools. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! GitHub Migration Tools for Azure DevOps Martin — Scrum Naked Agility Agile Actually Podcast Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Jun 10, 2024 • 44min
Scott Forsyth: Gen AI or Generative Artificial Intelligence - Episode 301
Scott Forsyth, with 25 years in IT, delves into AI evolution, generative AI models, AI limitations, chatbots, and the Kitchen Co-Pilot app. He discusses small language models, RAG, and code interpreters, highlighting AI's weaknesses in math. The podcast explores AI use cases, the Flowise AI platform, and the Kitchen Co-Pilot app for natural language processing.

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Jun 3, 2024 • 37min
Jim Leonardo: Leading Software Teams - Episode 300
Jim Leonardo, Head of information technology at biBerk Insurance, discusses leadership in software development. Topics include the shortage of software leaders, career progression, T-shaped development, importance of testing, understanding customers, the Innovator’s Dilemma, learning from diverse experiences, and the value of minimum viable products (MVPs) in software development.

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May 27, 2024 • 47min
Ted Neward: Managing A Software Engineering Department - Episode 299
Ted Neward, known as “The Dude of Software” and “Dr. Gregory House of Software,” shares insights on building a tribe, leveraging networks, effective software team management, and the importance of team success over individual success. He emphasizes compassion in management, recognizing and developing management skills, and the need for direct communication with executives for successful software delivery.

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May 20, 2024 • 42min
Dan Garfield: GitOps with Kubernetes - Episode 298
Dan Garfield, Co-founder of Codefresh, discusses his journey in technology, the importance of Kubernetes, and the creation of Argo CD. Topics include unified software delivery, GitOps Principles, managing microservices, and the role of Argo in the balance with Codefresh. Also, insights on the slow adoption of .NET developers, environment management, promotion workflows, and GitOps Certification.

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May 13, 2024 • 45min
Richard Campbell: The Future of Software - Episode 297
Experienced technologist Richard Campbell discusses podcasting advice, AI limitations, autonomous trucks, user experience improvement with machine learning, impact of automation on software development jobs, habits vs. wisdom, and the future of augmented reality.

May 6, 2024 • 44min
Philip Japikse: Migrating from .NET Framework to .NET 8 - Episode 296
An international speaker, Microsoft MVP, ASPInsider, MCSD, PSM II, PSD, and PST, and a passionate member of the developer community, Phil has been working with .NET since the first betas, developing software for over 35 years, and heavily involved in the agile community since 2005 as well as a Professional Scrum Trainer. Phil has taken over the best-selling Pro C# books (Apress Publishing), including Pro C# 10, is the President of the Cincinnati .NET User’s Group (Cinnug.org), and the Cincinnati Software Architect Group, co-hosted the Hallway Conversations podcast (Hallwayconversations.com), founded and runs the CincyDeliver conference (Cincydeliver.org), and volunteers for the National Ski Patrol. During the day, Phil works as the CTO for Pintas & Mullins. Phil always enjoys learning new tech and is always striving to improve his craft. Topics of Discussion: [3:47] Philip’s career journey and why he’s still hands-on coding. [5:37] Sometimes it’s not a technical problem, but a process or human interaction problem. [6:37] Philip’s love of mentoring. [8:18] The importance of collaboration. [9:53] Challenges in migrating applications from .NET Framework to .NET Core. [12:55] The importance of staying current. [14:48] Modernizing legacy web applications using .NET Core. [19:22] Rebuilding an old app using new technology, with challenges and lessons learned. [24:22] Gradually introducing a new screen using feature flags is better than a "big bang" rewrite. [26:01] Continuous deployment helps to roll out new features gradually to limited users. [27:53] Differences between the .NET framework and .NET Core apps, including configuration settings to environmental awareness. [34:59] Philip’s favorite resources to dig into, including his book. [41:20] The power of collaborative learning. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! “Philip Japikse: Professional C# in .NET - Episode 230” Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Apr 29, 2024 • 41min
Brady Gaster: .NET Cloud Native - Episode 295
Brady Gaster is a Principal Program Manager on the .NET and Visual Studio team at Microsoft where he works on Orleans, SignalR, microservices, APIs, and integration with Azure service teams in hopes of making it exciting for developers who work on .NET apps to party in the cloud! Topics of Discussion: [2:49] Brady’s career highlights and how throwing parties prepared him for Microsoft. [4:07] History of Microsoft’s publishing tools and their evolution towards cloud-native development. [7:37] Using Azure Container Apps for containerization and publishing to Kubernetes. [13:42] Using Aspire for containerized applications in Azure, including toolchain and orchestration. [17:36] Simplifying software development with automation. [23:27] Azure subscriptions and provisioning for developers. [25:38] AZD infra synth. [26:15] Using Azure DevOps and Azure Development Environments for named environments in .NET development. [30:39] The system of record for the names of the environments. [37:13] What we can look forward to with the next release. [38:37] What should we know about Microsoft Learn so far? Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! “Brady Gaster: Orleans — Episode 221” NET Aspire Preview 4 .NET Aspire Documentation Brady Gaster Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Apr 22, 2024 • 41min
Raziel Tabib: GitOps - Episode 294
Raziel is the Senior Vice President of Codefresh at Octopus Deploy. He is an entrepreneur, technology enthusiast, and software developer at heart. He is the Founder of Codefresh and is passionate about accelerating the way software is disrupting our day-to-day life by simplifying the way we deploy applications. Topics of Discussion: [2:23] When Raziel first got interested in making a difference in the industry. [3:05] The role of the software developer has evolved over time. [7:11] What is GitOps? [14:46] Overlap with the concept of infrastructure as code. [14:57] Simplifying software deployment using GitOps. [20:44] Why it’s an exciting time to be in software development. [22:55] What can we do with Codefresh? [25:24] Does Codefresh work with other infrastructure types? [26:29] Storing and managing application configuration and infrastructure code in separate Git repositories. [29:10] What are the most common reasons this infrastructure repository would have a commit pushed to it? [35:27] Codefresh joining Octopus Deploy. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Codefresh OpenGitOps Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.