Azure & DevOps Podcast

Gene Kim: Wiring a Winning Software Organization - Episode 308

Jul 29, 2024

47:04

Gene Kim has been studying high-performing technology organizations since 1999. He was the founder and CTO of Tripwire, Inc. for 13 years, running an enterprise security software company. As an author, Gene’s books have sold over 1 million copies, including earning recognition as a Wall Street Journal bestselling author. He most recently co-authored Wiring the Winning Organization, as well as The Phoenix Project, The DevOps Handbook, and the Shingo Publication Award-winning book, Accelerate. Since 2014, he has been the organizer and program chair of the DevOps Enterprise Summit, now called the Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit, which studies the technology transformations of large, complex organizations.

Topics of Discussion:

[2:11] Gene joins the show and shares more about his career background.

[9:51] Gene discusses the three key mechanisms that are common across various frameworks and methodologies: certification, simplification, and amplification.

[10:06] What has changed since Gene released his first book in 2004?

[14:42] The two revelations in the book.

[18:25] The importance of layer 3 (organizational wiring) in complex systems.

[21:16] Reducing communication barriers in software development teams.

[24:33] Overcoming obstacles as a team.

[25:56] IT department's role in business, including challenges with communication and coordination.

[27:06] The Check Box project.

[30:11] Is the concept of the IT department a good or bad idea?

[32:11] What caused the DevOps moment?

[38:40] Wiring software organizations for success.

[43:08] How Gene learned what good architecture looks like.

[44:41] Gene is blown away by how important the notion of independence of action is.